Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
And I wonder in amazement at the negative bias many PC users have often given Mac users, when I had no first-hand experience with Macs and knew maybe 3 people who had Mac knowledge (from 'grunt' level to hardware hacker/Mac programmer/sysadmin). The running joke is that Macs are the computer for the rest of them and that vapid Mac users don't know about anything technical; I respect both sides of that disagreement now, and love my new Mac. Information, as always, makes all the difference, and I see great potential in both platforms for different reasons now... Low-knowledge users are everywhere, not just in Mac and PC and computers; there are so many people that just don't get whatever is at hand (math, using a map or a compass, drawing, gymnastics) because it's not important to them, and because they'd rather focus on what they want to do than on the underlying technology they do it with. Easy to forget when you hang around only with your own inbred group of tech literate, fanatical platformites. I'm glad for both PCs and Macs for different reasons. Now I can spend twice as much money and learn two incompatible skillsets! Now, off to hunt for a $35 Airport card. Dan You will find, again and again, that this is the prime virtue of the Mac Way; things that work, just work no fuss, no muss, no unneeded user intervention required. An example. We use our sandisk 256 meg USB sticks *constantly* here. They're great for installing patches, av patches, etc etc to new windows systems before we hook 'em up to the network. On a Mac, we stick 'em in a USB port and they appear on the desktop as drives. On a Windows XP system first a box pops up Hey I found new hardware!!! At home I use a KVM to switch between a Mac, Windows, and Linux box. When I switch to the Mac or Linux box about 1.5 seconds pass before the mouse and keyboard are functional. However, when I switch to the Windows box, about 3 seconds pass and then Windows tells me it detects a new device. Then I have to swear and click the mouse (I'm certain the swearing is crucial to success) before the box goes away. In other words, what Linux and the Mac does in less than two seconds with no hassle, Windows takes nearly 10 seconds and aggrevation to complete. Interestingly, at work, the dialog doesn't *usually* pop up but it does take about 5 seconds for the keyboard and mouse to be recognized. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
On Jun 17, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Imal Tornapart wrote: This is a really cool, well-integrated machine. It picked up my digicam right off the bat with OS's own drivers, which is more than Widnows 2000 could do. You will find, again and again, that this is the prime virtue of the Mac Way; things that work, just work no fuss, no muss, no unneeded user intervention required. An example. We use our sandisk 256 meg USB sticks *constantly* here. They're great for installing patches, av patches, etc etc to new windows systems before we hook 'em up to the network. On a Mac, we stick 'em in a USB port and they appear on the desktop as drives. On a Windows XP system first a box pops up Hey I found new hardware!!! I have to load some things!, soon, I gotta rebuild my device database!! then Hey it's a disk device! finally Hey I installed software for this sandisk 256K memory card! Then a dialog pops up saying What do you want to happen when you plug in this card and offers a list of options: start Windows Media Player, do this, do that. You have to select Cancel to just make it appear as a removable drive in My Computer. You do this dance with any other different brand of memory stick that's inserted. Someimes it's *stick* dependent. I've seen the same thing happen sequentially for each of two of the same n=model sandisk sticks that were inserted. All of that was useless. I don't NEED to know that the computer found new hardware...it's *supposed* to do that; I expect that of it. It said on the package that this was a certified plug and play device. I should only be told if there's a *problem*. None of all of that dance was necessary information for the user. But Microsoft seems to feel this desperate need to continually inform the user that, yes, the computer is STILL WORKING! WOW! Sometimes, I think they secretly hired Dave Barry as their Human Interface consultant years ago... You will find that the mac largely just gets the heck out of your way and lets you work, only interrupting you if you need to make a decision. (note throughout that entire USB Stick dance, no decision is required of the user) This is not to say that things don't break, or mysteriously not work at all or any of a number of other ills. And you'll love the fact that viruses and spyware will bug you no more... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Phar macy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
At 9:39 am -0700 18/6/04, Bruce Johnson wrote: Then a dialog pops up saying What do you want to happen when you plug in this card and offers a list of options: start Windows Media Player, do this, do that. Which it never seems to remember . . . -- With best wishes, Roger Shufflebottom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
On 6/18/04 12:39 PM, Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will find, again and again, that this is the prime virtue of the Mac Way; things that work, just work no fuss, no muss, no unneeded user intervention required. An example. We use our sandisk 256 meg USB sticks *constantly* here. They're great for installing patches, av patches, etc etc to new windows systems before we hook 'em up to the network. On a Mac, we stick 'em in a USB port and they appear on the desktop as drives. On a Windows XP system first a box pops up Hey I found new hardware!!! At home I use a KVM to switch between a Mac, Windows, and Linux box. When I switch to the Mac or Linux box about 1.5 seconds pass before the mouse and keyboard are functional. However, when I switch to the Windows box, about 3 seconds pass and then Windows tells me it detects a new device. Then I have to swear and click the mouse (I'm certain the swearing is crucial to success) before the box goes away. In other words, what Linux and the Mac does in less than two seconds with no hassle, Windows takes nearly 10 seconds and aggrevation to complete. Interestingly, at work, the dialog doesn't *usually* pop up but it does take about 5 seconds for the keyboard and mouse to be recognized. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Pismo question - Boot from CD?
Can the Pismo Bronze boot from CD? I have a Knoppix boot CD and the computer ignores it during boot. Pressing Option during boot only allows me to see the OS X boot option, not the 9.2, which I can get to thru the Startup Disk control panel/system pref. Any hope? Do I need a special boot image or a setting change? How bout booting from USB, or is that just a dream for a 4-year-old computer? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
On 17/06/04 15:20, Imal Tornapart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the Pismo Bronze boot from CD? I have a Knoppix boot CD and the computer ignores it during boot. Pressing Option during boot only allows me to see the OS X boot option, not the 9.2, which I can get to thru the Startup Disk control panel/system pref. Any hope? Do I need a special boot image or a setting change? How bout booting from USB, or is that just a dream for a 4-year-old computer? Are you talking about a Pismo or a Bronze (Lombard)? A Pismo should be able to boot from a CD. I don't know what is a Knoppix boot CD, though, never heard of it. Pressing option at boot shows you the volumes that the Pismo sees as suitable for booting. If your 9.2 installation doesn't show up, then it's missing something and you might have to re-install. I'm not sure a Pismo can boot from USB. With an external USB CD-ROM, it could possibly do. It can certainly boot from an external FireWire drive. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
On 6/17/04 3:20 PM, Imal Tornapart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the Pismo Bronze boot from CD? I have a Knoppix boot CD and the computer ignores it during boot. Pressing Option during boot only allows me to see the OS X boot option, not the 9.2, which I can get to thru the Startup Disk control panel/system pref. Any hope? Do I need a special boot image or a setting change? How bout booting from USB, or is that just a dream for a 4-year-old computer? Knoppix, I believe, only supports Intel processors, not Motorola. And if I'm wrong about that, you'd still need the Mac compatible version in order to boot. YellowDog and SuSe are two distros that have Mac compatible versions. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:55:57 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 6/17/04 3:20 PM, Imal Tornapart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the Pismo Bronze boot from CD? I have a Knoppix boot CD and the computer ignores it during boot. Pressing Option during boot only allows me to see the OS X boot option, not the 9.2, which I can get to thru the Startup Disk control panel/system pref. Any hope? Do I need a special boot image or a setting change? How bout booting from USB, or is that just a dream for a 4-year-old computer? Knoppix, I believe, only supports Intel processors, not Motorola. And if I'm wrong about that, you'd still need the Mac compatible version in order to boot. YellowDog and SuSe are two distros that have Mac compatible versions. david There is a version of Knoppix for Mac, I hope that's the one you are trying. I downloaded it and couldn't get it to boot on my iMac. From what I understand not many people have actually gotten it to run. I would try a CD that's known to boot in your drive. When my iMac was brand new I partioned the drive to install Linux (it's a compulsion among some of us to see if we can install Linux on every computer that passes through our hands) and could't even get get the Mac restore disk to boot. After wearing the helpful people on this list out I took it to the Apple Store. The drive had a bad ROM. But I bet it's a problem with the Knoppix. I can't help you with the USB question. Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
I believe you're right about knoppix being an Intel-only OS.. didn't check first because it was faster to just pop it in and try. I'll have to look into live-CD **ix options that are Mac compatible. Can the Pismo Bronze boot from CD? I have a Knoppix boot CD and the computer ignores it during boot. Pressing Option during boot only allows me to see Knoppix, I believe, only supports Intel processors, not Motorola. And if I'm wrong about that, you'd still need the Mac compatible version in order to boot. YellowDog and SuSe are two distros that have Mac compatible versions. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
On Jun 17, 2004, at 5:00 PM, Imal Tornapart wrote: I believe you're right about knoppix being an Intel-only OS.. didn't check first because it was faster to just pop it in and try. I'll have to look into live-CD **ix options that are Mac compatible. Why not OS XI mean if you want to play with Unix on a Mac you may as well do it right ;-) -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
Well, I bought this Powerbook from a friend, and it actually came with 9.2 and OS X; I think he thought it only had 9.2 on it. I'm discovering more niceness every day with this computer.. It's a Powerbook Firewire, M7572, not a Bronze as I previously reported. Is this then a Pismo also? scratches head which is loaded with PC specs but only recently with Mac specs This is a really cool, well-integrated machine. It picked up my digicam right off the bat with OS's own drivers, which is more than Widnows 2000 could do. I hope I choose the wireless setup wisely. I believe you're right about knoppix being an Intel-only OS.. didn't check first because it was faster to just pop it in and try. I'll have to look into live-CD **ix options that are Mac compatible. Why not OS XI mean if you want to play with Unix on a Mac you may as well do it right ;-) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Pismo question - Boot from CD?
Can the Pismo Bronze boot from CD? I have a Knoppix boot CD and the computer ignores it during boot. Pressing Option during boot only allows me to see the OS X boot option, not the 9.2, which I can get to thru the Startup Disk control panel/system pref. Any hope? Do I need a special boot image or a setting change? How bout booting from USB, or is that just a dream for a 4-year-old computer? Are you talking about a Pismo or a Bronze (Lombard)? A Pismo should be able to boot from a CD. I don't know what is a Knoppix boot CD, though, never heard of it. Pressing option at boot shows you the volumes that the Pismo sees as suitable for booting. If your 9.2 installation doesn't show up, then it's missing something and you might have to re-install. I'm not sure a Pismo can boot from USB. With an external USB CD-ROM, it could possibly do. It can certainly boot from an external FireWire drive. -Laurent. If both OS versions are on the same partition of the drive then Option will not work. If a CD doesn't show up as a bootable drive then the system version will not boot that machine. If you have X on one partition and 9 on the other then you can select X or 9 via Option at start. To start from a bootable CD hold the C key at start. In some stubborn cases you can try holding Command-Option-Delete to skip the internal drive and have your Mac search around for another bootable drive. To switch from X to 9 you need to open System Preferences and select Startup Disk. From there you can switch to any bootable system on any available drive. To switch back to X you need to select Startup Disk folder from the Control Panels folder. I don't think the Pismo can restart into X just by holding the X key upon start/restart. Try holding the X key and wait until you hear a second bong. John -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
