Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[Mark D. Chapman]

The connect light on the router or EtherPrint don't care about
protocols such as AppleTalk, they are just looking for a valid
Ethernet connection.  If the light isn't coming on you have a
problem.  Guessing that the router's switch is 10/100 there MAY be an
issue with the EtherPrint and 10/100 auto-sensing.  Some older
10BaseT hardware doesn't work well with 10/100 gear, the auto-sensing
gets confused.  Asante 10BaseT stuff in particular was prone to this.
However, IIRC the EtherPrint-3 was iMac vintage equipment meant to
link the old and the new.  The iMacs had 10/100 so it should work.
The solution to the auto-sensing problem is to stick a 10BaseT hub
That is easy enough. I have an old hub sitting around that would do the job.
Thanks, Mark
--
Mark Chapman, Membership Secretary/Secrétaire aux admissions
The Canadian Society For The Study Of Religion/ 
Société canadienne pour l'étude de la religion

--
G-Books is sponsored by  and...
Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
-- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |
 Support Low End Mac 
G-Books list info:  
 --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  
To unsubscribe, email:  
For digest mode, email: 
Subscription questions: 
Archive: 

---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---

Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[Mark D. Chapman]

Thank-you to everyone that responded. 
Collectively your advice was very helpful. Here 
is my initial problem and the solution.

Problem: I could connect wirelessly to the 
internet or print to my old Laserwriter but not 
both at the same time.

Solution:
New network configuration. DSL modem to WAN port 
on wireless router, LAN port on wireless router 
to LAN port on wired router, DHCP turned off on 
wired router, IP address changed on wired router, 
wired router rebooted.

I can now connect to the internet and print to my 
LaserWriter wirelessly. I still don't know why 
the wireless router doesn't connect with my 
printer but with this setup it doesn't matter.

Absolutely wonderful. Thanks all, Mark.
--
Mark Chapman, Membership Secretary/Secrétaire aux admissions
The Canadian Society For The Study Of Religion/ 
Société canadienne pour l'étude de la religion

--
G-Books is sponsored by  and...
Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
-- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |
 Support Low End Mac 
G-Books list info:  
 --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  
To unsubscribe, email:  
For digest mode, email: 
Subscription questions: 
Archive: 

---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---

Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[Clark Martin]

At 12:03 PM -0500 2/4/05, John C. Swanson wrote:
-Original Message-
From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D.
Chapman
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:35
To: G-Books
Subject: Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
That is a good question. I don't know if the
wireless router supports appletalk or not. It
does claim to be OSX compatible. Nonetheless, my
problem seems to be different from this. The
wireless router does not even recognize the
Bridge as a live Ethernet device (the connection
light does not come on). The bridge I am using is
a Dayna EtherPrint-3. I don't know anything about
it but will look it up on the internet.

Let me make sure I am understanding this correctly and maybe clear up
some confusion on the list.  You have a wireless router that you
computers connect to wirelessly and it connects to the internet.  Then
you have the EtherPrint-3 which is a Ethernet adapter for printers that
don't have a built-in network card.  I haven't been able to find any
information about the EtherPrint-3 but the other models in the series
have a 10base-T Ethernet connection and a serial connection to the
printer.  What you will need to do is connect the EtherPrint to a LAN
port on the router.  If you don't get a connect light then try a
crossover cable.  If that doesn't work I am guessing that the wireless
router doesn't route Appletalk and you will need to get one that will,
or find a TCP/IP based printer adapter that will work with you laserjet.
The connect light on the router or EtherPrint don't care about 
protocols such as AppleTalk, they are just looking for a valid 
Ethernet connection.  If the light isn't coming on you have a 
problem.  Guessing that the router's switch is 10/100 there MAY be an 
issue with the EtherPrint and 10/100 auto-sensing.  Some older 
10BaseT hardware doesn't work well with 10/100 gear, the auto-sensing 
gets confused.  Asante 10BaseT stuff in particular was prone to this. 
However, IIRC the EtherPrint-3 was iMac vintage equipment meant to 
link the old and the new.  The iMacs had 10/100 so it should work. 
The solution to the auto-sensing problem is to stick a 10BaseT hub 
between the two devices.
--
Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
--
G-Books is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and...
Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
-- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |
 Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html>
G-Books list info:  <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html>
 --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  <mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com>
To unsubscribe, email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/>

---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---

Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[John C. Swanson]

-Original Message-
From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D.
Chapman
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:35
To: G-Books
Subject: Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

That is a good question. I don't know if the 
wireless router supports appletalk or not. It 
does claim to be OSX compatible. Nonetheless, my 
problem seems to be different from this. The 
wireless router does not even recognize the 
Bridge as a live Ethernet device (the connection 
light does not come on). The bridge I am using is 
a Dayna EtherPrint-3. I don't know anything about 
it but will look it up on the internet.


Let me make sure I am understanding this correctly and maybe clear up
some confusion on the list.  You have a wireless router that you
computers connect to wirelessly and it connects to the internet.  Then
you have the EtherPrint-3 which is a Ethernet adapter for printers that
don't have a built-in network card.  I haven't been able to find any
information about the EtherPrint-3 but the other models in the series
have a 10base-T Ethernet connection and a serial connection to the
printer.  What you will need to do is connect the EtherPrint to a LAN
port on the router.  If you don't get a connect light then try a
crossover cable.  If that doesn't work I am guessing that the wireless
router doesn't route Appletalk and you will need to get one that will,
or find a TCP/IP based printer adapter that will work with you laserjet.

--
G-Books is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and...

 Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
 -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |

  Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html>

G-Books list info:  <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html>
  --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  <mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com>
To unsubscribe, email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/>



---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---

Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[Dante McLean]

G-Books wrote:
"I don't remember if the 4/600 could use IP
printing, but that might be your option."
The LaserWriter 4/600 PS is LocalTalk only, so far as I am aware.  I 
have a 4/600 PS running on a wired network at my parents place using 
LocalTalk Bridge.  We have a 7200/90 on the network which is around for 
the sole purpose of running LocalTalk Bridge 24/7.  This setup works 
flawlessly.  Of course, this is under 8.6 to 9.2.2, and it is wired.  I 
am not sure if it would play nice with OS X.  I don't see why it would 
not, though.  The router on the network there is a LinkSys, and 
AppleTalk is officially not a supported protocol.

I am running a Netgear on the network here, and it seems to play nice 
with AppleTalk to the NeXT Laser Printer.  Again, wired network and my 
machine is running 9.2.2.  The NeXTstation is running OPENSTEP and 
Columbia AppleTalk Protocol (CAPer by Frank Siegert).  In effect, the 
NeXT spools print jobs from the Mac, and digests them for the printer, 
which hasn't got any brains.

Since your problem is that WiFi doesn't like the AppleTalk, IP printing 
does seem like the logical solution.  But, you can't give the 4/600 an 
IP address.  Just a thought but, what if you were to try specifying the 
IP address of the host which the printer is physically plugged into 
(herein called "hostof4/600PS") as the address for IP printing?  If you 
run LocalTalk Bridge on hostof4/600PS, which I assume you are doing, I 
would think that it might work.  The reason I think this is that with 
LocalTalk Bridge, you are printing to a printer that does not physically 
exist on the ethernet network anyhow.  As long as the print request gets 
to hostof4/600PS, IMO LocalTalk Bridge should look after the rest.  At 
least, that would seem logical ... which means it probably won't work.

Best of luck:-)
--
Regards,
Dante McLean
Dante McLean Photography
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  --> NeXTmail soon to be welcome!
DS16 #19
"A Humming Bird"
Christian Island, Ontario
N44° 51.472'  W080° 12.349'
"If you can't get your work done in the first 24 hours, work nights."

--
G-Books is sponsored by  and...
Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
-- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |
 Support Low End Mac 
G-Books list info:  
 --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  
To unsubscribe, email:  
For digest mode, email: 
Subscription questions: 
Archive: 

---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---

Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[JeffH]

> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:49:28 -0800
> From: Clark Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
>
> At 9:59 AM -0500 2/3/05, John C. Swanson wrote:
> >
> >4, If I chain the two routers together by
> >plugging one of the ports on the wireless router
> >into a Lan port on the non-wireless router I can
> >print but I can't access the internet wirelessly.
> >
> >Clearly there is some funky network stuff going
> >on here but it is way out of my league. Any
> >suggestions? Where do I look for help?
> >
> >Thanks, Mark
> >--
> >I don't know if anyone here can help you just getting the printer to
> >work on the wireless router or not, but number 4 is the correct way to
> >connect the two routers (LAN - LAN).  Though before you do that you are
> >going to have to connect to the wired router, login, and turn off its
> >DHCP server.  That should fix your problems.
> >
>
> That's because the wireless router when it sees you trying to access
> the Internet it tries to send it out the WAN port where there is
> nothing.  Look through the wireless router setup to see if there is
> an option to disable the WAN routing or to make it just an access
> point.  Some of the routers I've used do this, some don't.
> -- 
> Clark Martin
> Redwood City, CA, USA
> Macintosh / Internet Consulting

One issue might be that the SMC wireless router may not pass Appletalk
through the wireless side. I don't remember if the 4/600 could use IP
printing, but that might be your option. I set up my 16/600 to use IP
printing because I have a DLink wireless that won't pass AT over the
wireless side.
As far as connecting the two routers, I have a similar setup - DSL to
Linksys wired and then to DLink wireless. I run one of the Linksys out ports
into one of the DLink out ports, and then it just bridges the wired side.
You have to turn off the DHCP function of the wireless first. Only one of
the routers can be passing out addresses.



-- 
G-Books is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and...

 Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
 -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |

  Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html>

G-Books list info:  <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html>
  --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  <mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com>
To unsubscribe, email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/>



---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---

Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[Clark Martin]

At 9:59 AM -0500 2/3/05, John C. Swanson wrote:
-Original Message-
From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D.
Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 21:32
To: G-Books
Subject: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
4, If I chain the two routers together by
plugging one of the ports on the wireless router
into a Lan port on the non-wireless router I can
print but I can't access the internet wirelessly.
Clearly there is some funky network stuff going
on here but it is way out of my league. Any
suggestions? Where do I look for help?
Thanks, Mark
--
I don't know if anyone here can help you just getting the printer to
work on the wireless router or not, but number 4 is the correct way to
connect the two routers (LAN - LAN).  Though before you do that you are
going to have to connect to the wired router, login, and turn off its
DHCP server.  That should fix your problems.
That's because the wireless router when it sees you trying to access 
the Internet it tries to send it out the WAN port where there is 
nothing.  Look through the wireless router setup to see if there is 
an option to disable the WAN routing or to make it just an access 
point.  Some of the routers I've used do this, some don't.
--
Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
--
G-Books is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and...
Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
-- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |
 Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html>
G-Books list info:  <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html>
 --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  <mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com>
To unsubscribe, email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/>

---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---

Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[Mark D. Chapman]

 > I am having trouble with my network and I don't
 even know what to call the problem I am having or
 where to search for answers.
...snip...
 > Clearly there is some funky network stuff going
 on here but it is way out of my league. Any
 > suggestions? Where do I look for help?
Are you sure that the wireless router you're trying to use supports
AppleTalk? I'm not sure how the serial to Ethernet bridge works in details,
but I would imagine that when it gets to the bridge, the information is
embedded into AppleTalk over Ethernet packets. What kind of bridge are you
using?
That is a good question. I don't know if the 
wireless router supports appletalk or not. It 
does claim to be OSX compatible. Nonetheless, my 
problem seems to be different from this. The 
wireless router does not even recognize the 
Bridge as a live Ethernet device (the connection 
light does not come on). The bridge I am using is 
a Dayna EtherPrint-3. I don't know anything about 
it but will look it up on the internet.

Thanks for suggesting an avenue of research, Mark
--
Mark Chapman, Membership Secretary/Secrétaire aux admissions
The Canadian Society For The Study Of Religion/ 
Société canadienne pour l'étude de la religion

--
G-Books is sponsored by  and...
Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
-- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |
 Support Low End Mac 
G-Books list info:  
 --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  
To unsubscribe, email:  
For digest mode, email: 
Subscription questions: 
Archive: 

---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---

Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[John C. Swanson]

-Original Message-
From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D.
Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 21:32
To: G-Books
Subject: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

4, If I chain the two routers together by 
plugging one of the ports on the wireless router 
into a Lan port on the non-wireless router I can 
print but I can't access the internet wirelessly.

Clearly there is some funky network stuff going 
on here but it is way out of my league. Any 
suggestions? Where do I look for help?

Thanks, Mark
--
I don't know if anyone here can help you just getting the printer to
work on the wireless router or not, but number 4 is the correct way to
connect the two routers (LAN - LAN).  Though before you do that you are
going to have to connect to the wired router, login, and turn off its
DHCP server.  That should fix your problems.


--
G-Books is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and...

 Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
 -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |

  Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html>

G-Books list info:  <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html>
  --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  <mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com>
To unsubscribe, email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/>



---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---

Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 02/02/05 21:31, Mark D. Chapman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am having trouble with my network and I don't
> even know what to call the problem I am having or
> where to search for answers.
> 
> I have 3 devices I want to connect: a PowerBook
> G4 using airport (10.3.7), a B&W G3 using an
> Ethernet cable (10.2.8), and an Apple LaserWriter
> 4/600PS using a serial to Ethernet bridge. I am
> using a SMC wireless router to connect them all
> (SMC2804WBRP-G). Here is my problem:
> 
> 1. If I plug the printer into the wireless router
> the router does not recognize it and will not
> route print jobs to it.
> 2. If I plug the printer into my non-wireless
> router (SMC7004VBR) the printer is recognized and
> I can send print jobs but it is not wireless.
> 3. If I chain the two routers together by
> plugging one of the ports on the wireless router
> into the Wan port of the non-wireless router I
> can access the internet wirelessly but I can't
> print.
> 4, If I chain the two routers together by
> plugging one of the ports on the wireless router
> into a Lan port on the non-wireless router I can
> print but I can't access the internet wirelessly.
> 
> Clearly there is some funky network stuff going
> on here but it is way out of my league. Any
> suggestions? Where do I look for help?

Mark,

Are you sure that the wireless router you're trying to use supports
AppleTalk? I'm not sure how the serial to Ethernet bridge works in details,
but I would imagine that when it gets to the bridge, the information is
embedded into AppleTalk over Ethernet packets. What kind of bridge are you
using?

-Laurent.
-- 

Laurent Daudelin   AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelin
Logiciels Nemesys Software   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

bozotic /boh-zoh'tik/ or /boh-zo'tik/ adj.: [from the name of a TV clown
even more losing than Ronald McDonald] Resembling or having the quality of a
bozo; that is, clownish, ludicrously wrong, unintentionally humorous.
Compare wonky, demented. Note that the noun `bozo' occurs in slang, but the
mainstream adjectival form would be `bozo-like' or (in New England)
`bozoish'.



-- 
G-Books is sponsored by  and...

 Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
 -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |

  Support Low End Mac 

G-Books list info:  
  --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  
To unsubscribe, email:  
For digest mode, email: 
Subscription questions: 
Archive: 



---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---

Printing and Wireless Connectivity

[Mark D. Chapman]

I am having trouble with my network and I don't 
even know what to call the problem I am having or 
where to search for answers.

I have 3 devices I want to connect: a PowerBook 
G4 using airport (10.3.7), a B&W G3 using an 
Ethernet cable (10.2.8), and an Apple LaserWriter 
4/600PS using a serial to Ethernet bridge. I am 
using a SMC wireless router to connect them all 
(SMC2804WBRP-G). Here is my problem:

1. If I plug the printer into the wireless router 
the router does not recognize it and will not 
route print jobs to it.
2. If I plug the printer into my non-wireless 
router (SMC7004VBR) the printer is recognized and 
I can send print jobs but it is not wireless.
3. If I chain the two routers together by 
plugging one of the ports on the wireless router 
into the Wan port of the non-wireless router I 
can access the internet wirelessly but I can't 
print.
4, If I chain the two routers together by 
plugging one of the ports on the wireless router 
into a Lan port on the non-wireless router I can 
print but I can't access the internet wirelessly.

Clearly there is some funky network stuff going 
on here but it is way out of my league. Any 
suggestions? Where do I look for help?

Thanks, Mark
--
Mark Chapman, Membership Secretary/Secrétaire aux admissions
The Canadian Society For The Study Of Religion/ 
Société canadienne pour l'étude de la religion

--
G-Books is sponsored by  and...
Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com  | Refurbished Drives |
-- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks  |  & CDRWs on Sale!  |
 Support Low End Mac 
G-Books list info:  
 --> AOL users, remove "mailto:";
Send list messages to:  
To unsubscribe, email:  
For digest mode, email: 
Subscription questions: 
Archive: 

---
iPod Accessories for Less
at 1-800-iPOD.COM
Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal
www.1800ipod.com
---