Re: OS 10.3.5 (split to problems attack)

2004-08-15 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Saturday, August 14, 2004, at 06:08  AM, Mikael Byström wrote:
Don, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
This thread would make for an interesting thread in
the fields of communications, psychology, philosophy
and human relations. Certainly it reveals some of the
difficulties that technical people have in conveying
what they are trying to say in non-technical terms.
:-)
The problem may have started by someone in the
academic world implying that they worked in thereal
life world.  :-)

I think the the responders have managed the issues magnificently. 
Thanks
for being intelligent and human about having differing views.
Thank you, you were far more polite than the the email I didn't send...
If someone wants to nitpick real OS X problems, I can return with some
strange issues a friend of mine seem to have later with his Pro Audio 
rig
(with a G4 in the centre).
Hey, this IS the G-list, after all.
One of those useless academics with no concept of reality I know here 
is the sysadmin for the Music department...I suspect she has a wee bit 
of experience with sound studio set-ups, if I can coax her out of her 
ivory basement.

(Academia or no, they still know where to stick the computer geeks ;-)

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Re: OS 10.3.5 (split to problems attack)

2004-08-15 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 15/08/04 14:09, Bruce Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip!]
 Hey, this IS the G-list, after all.

Not to be nit-picky, but this is actually the G-BOOKS list... ;-)

-Laurent.
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Re: OS 10.3.5 (split to problems attack)

2004-08-13 Thread Don P.
This thread would make for an interesting thread in
the fields of communications, psychology, philosophy
and human relations. Certainly it reveals some of the
difficulties that technical people have in conveying
what they are trying to say in non-technical terms. 
:-)
The problem may have started by someone in the
academic world implying that they worked in thereal
life world.  :-)
Perhaps this was doubly galling since we see so much
SPAM and Popup ads destroying the credibility of an
otherwise honorable university.  :-)
Regardless, there a few things in life for which a 10%
failure rate is deemed acceptable (although I think we
might welcome a return to that for marriages). :-)
Keep smiling. LOL and enjoying the pissing contests.
Don


 Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 In real life, most people have few problems with
OS X.

 let me guess, real life is lives approved by
you? How do 
you=20
 find
 the time for all this approval business?

 I have few problems with OS X. Is that enough to
become approved?

 Since Bruce is a system administrator where he
works, I would 
assume=20=

 that
 when he says real life, he's probably thinking
about the users 
he=20
 has to
 support. But that's just wishful thinking from me...

That's the experience I was talking from, that and the
shared=20
experiences of our Mac admins group on campus. We find
that, in the=20
main, we don't have to do a whole lot, since the Macs
don't seem to=20
break very often; when they do, it's often easy to
fix.

Sometimes we get seemingly hard ones, but even they
often turn out 
to=20
have simple fixes.

Moreover, either because Mac users are naturally more
intelligent 
;-),=20=

they're more used to fixing things themselves, living
in a computing=20
ghetto that they do, or that macs are easier to deal
with in the 
first=20=

place (or a combination of all three), we find that
one reason we're 
so=20=

rarely fixing problems is that the users themselves
fix the problems=20
when they arise.

I'm not offended my Mikael's remarks, what bothers me
is the seeming=20
attitude by many that the mac is just beset with
horrible problems,=20
because they go looking for the people having those
problems. (like=20
hitting MacFixit every day, and such.) It's a biased
view, and after 
a=20=

while, if those are the sites you frequent, it seems
like it's the 
only=20=

view.

It's like the many, many PC users I've run into who
are genuinely=20
surprised, when I tell them I didn't have to worry
about viruses on 
my=20=

Mac. They see nothing but all the news coverage about
this or that 
new=20=

virus sweeping the worlds computers, and never seem to
read to the 
last=20=

line where the obligatory Macs and Linux systems are
not affected.

(A problem not confined merely to computers in this
media-soaked age)



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