Re: Opinions on CDs
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 1. Brand matters little I disagre. Experience will tell some brands are better IMHO. The question is which ones. and pricing is definately not an indication of quality. Some stores seem to carry better quality discs than others. My overall fav is GQ (Great Quality), from Fry Electronics (aka outpost.com). Zero coasters and so far only 2 of those have degraded (out of 400+). Have any one tried the new TDK DVD discs that have wacky CD in the 80's type of marketing? If they can say you can use these for washing up and coasters in this century, I wonder what they have to back that up? Surely noone is naive enough to assume that kind of treatment would be possible. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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The kind of CD blanks you use is really important. It is particularly important if you want your disks to play in some machine other than the machine that burned it. Here is a reference to a site where people spend a lot of time on this issue. http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?s=forumid=33 See also these FAQs:http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq07.html#S7 What you discover, reading this thing, is that there is a huge variation in the dynamic range of the recorded signal from disk to disk, burner to burner and speed to speed. I now use only Fuji 48 CDRs and I burn them at 40. I can often get them at These are Taiyo Yuden disks (silvery greenish blue on bottom).Please note, that just because it says Fuji, that doesn't mean it's a Taiyo Yuden disk--but this model is. DONT get the music cd disks. Rite Aid sells stacks for 18 bucks and 12 bucks on sale. I have used staples brand disks and other brands. They produce a coaster periodically, but the reason you don't use them is that invariably you can't use them on a machine other than the one you burned them on. And isn't that the point of disks anyway? -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On 26 May 2004, at 08:35, G-Books wrote: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:12:13 -0500 Subject: Opinions on CDs From: Michael Levin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need to burn several CDs of pictures, music and documents on my PB G4 wit= h Superdrive. I thought about getting a stack of 50 at Staples, but my friend who was with me said those CDs are junk. He recommended Imitation. I have never burned CDs. Is there are a good brand or bad brand on the market? How good are the CDs at Sam=B9s? Is there anything I need to know before starting this task? My friend say I simply pop the blank CD into the Superdrive, select the music, pictures or documents and click Burn. Is it really that easy? Thank you for any advice or words of wisdom. Michael You might want to have a look at this article on photo.net: http://www.photo.net/mjohnston/column53/ Their interest (and mine) is with the archival qualities of CDs for long-term storage of image files, and some of the conclusions that are emerging about CDs are a bit disturbing. Quite a lot of photographers are realising that the humble photo negative is actually a really good storage medium - there are an awful lot of them that have survived 100 years or more, even 150 years, in perfect condition, with only minimal storage care - basically, keep 'em dry in the dark. Could we see a swing back to film? Hmm, probably not, but archival storage of images is a serious issue. Tom Burke -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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I do prefer BenQ (Acer) and Verbatim. Period. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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At 08:12 PM -0500 05/25/2004, Michael Levin wrote: burn several CDs of pictures, music and documents on my PB G4 Is there are a good brand or bad brand on the market? And at 10:39 AM +0100 05/26/2004, Tom Burke replied: You might want to have a look at this article on photo.net: http://www.photo.net/mjohnston/column53/ Decent article. Their interest (and mine) is with the archival qualities of CDs for long-term storage of image files, and some of the conclusions that are emerging about CDs are a bit disturbing. Emerging? ROFL There have been data retention issue articles and white papers written about CDs for years. The problem is that people actually believe the Marketing! ...FWIW, the problem, technically, is rust. Oxygen and other contaminants get into the disc (leech right thru the plastic or thru the poorly sealed edge) then causes oxide particles to form in the data pits, causing them to reflect the read-laser improperly. Quite a lot of photographers are realising that the humble photo negative is actually a really good storage medium *nod* Two years ago, my housemate when into a scanning frenzy using a borrowed a slide scanner. Luckily, I managed to talk him out of chucking the original slides... some of his CDs have already degraded. Could we see a swing back to film? Hmm, probably not, but archival storage of images is a serious issue. Archival. heh. I'll settle for CD media that live past 5 years. (I have a closet full of 9track tapes, btw! Written in the mid 80s, they're still good!) At this point, me and mine (housemates and clients) have burned thousands of discs, mostly for backups. CD-R, CD-RW, and DVD-flavours. I estimate that 2 to 5% of the discs that are 2 years or older are now unreadable. We use everything from expensive Gold Archival discs to no-names. Makes no diff. They all degrade. My bottom line recommendations: 1. Brand matters little and pricing is definately not an indication of quality. Some stores seem to carry better quality discs than others. My overall fav is GQ (Great Quality), from Fry Electronics (aka outpost.com). Zero coasters and so far only 2 of those have degraded (out of 400+). 2. Make duplicates or maybe triplicates of the important stuff. Preferrably on different brand discs! 3. Make triplicates or maybe quadroooplicates of the really important stuff. 4. Keepa you fingers OFF. Even a little finger oil can ruin a disc. It may still burn without errors, but 1/4 of our degraded discs have smudges on them. (No, cleaning them doesn't make them suddenly readable). 5. Keepa them stored in good conditions. No cooking, freezing, or bending. What's cooking? Anything above 90 degrees. 6. Buy a drive cleaning kit (basically a CD with little brushes on it and a bottle of cleaning fluid). Use it regularly. G'luck, - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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The National Institute of Standards and Technology just released a report on this very issue: http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/index.html Theres a 50-page guide there on care and preservation of CD and DVD R and RW disks. Here's a 1-page guide :http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/disccare.html -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Phar macy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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At 11:37 AM -0400 5/26/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Make duplicates or maybe triplicates of the important stuff. Preferrably on different brand discs! I burn two CD copies of all my digital photos in addition to the HD in the server. My plan is to duplicate the disks when they are a few years old -- -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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I have used TDK CDs bought in stacks of 50 with no problems. Dave On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 06:12 PM, Michael Levin wrote: I need to burn several CDs of pictures, music and documents on my PB G4 with Superdrive. I thought about getting a stack of 50 at Staples, but my friend who was with me said those CDs are junk. He recommended Imitation. I have never burned CDs. Is there are a good brand or bad brand on the market? How good are the CDs at Sam¹s? Is there anything I need to know before starting this task? My friend say I simply pop the blank CD into the Superdrive, select the music, pictures or documents and click Burn. Is it really that easy? Thank you for any advice or words of wisdom. Michael -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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I have used the bulk pack CDs for music (300+ burns) and had no problems at all. If I was backing up data I might be more cautious however. Mike 7500/G3, Sony CDRW On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 06:12 PM, Michael Levin wrote: I need to burn several CDs of pictures, music and documents on my PB G4 with Superdrive. I thought about getting a stack of 50 at Staples, but my friend who was with me said those CDs are junk. He recommended Imitation. I have never burned CDs. Is there are a good brand or bad brand on the market? How good are the CDs at Sam¹s? Is there anything I need to know before starting this task? My friend say I simply pop the blank CD into the Superdrive, select the music, pictures or documents and click Burn. Is it really that easy? Thank you for any advice or words of wisdom. Michael -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Hi Michael, On 25-May-04, at 6:12 PM, Michael Levin wrote: I need to burn several CDs of pictures, music and documents on my PB G4 with Superdrive. I thought about getting a stack of 50 at Staples, but my friend who was with me said those CDs are junk. He recommended Imitation. Well, I got a 50 stack of those Staples CD's almost a year ago and got several duds. I didn't bother using the rest because I was using them to back up data and they were obviously not reliable enough. Since then I have bought a couple of different brands including Maxell, TDK and Imation and have never had a problem with any of them. Although I know primarily use them for burning music CD's as I use the superdrive and DVD's for my back ups on my PB. Is there anything I need to know before starting this task? My friend say I simply pop the blank CD into the Superdrive, select the music, pictures or documents and click Burn. Is it really that easy? Yes it is that easy - the pleasure of having a Mac ! That's all you do - put in the CD, either drag files to it on the desktop or hit burn in iTunes and that's it. Have fun with it, Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Michael Levin wrote: I need to burn several CDs of pictures, music and documents on my PB G4 with Superdrive. I thought about getting a stack of 50 at Staples, but my friend who was with me said those CDs are junk. He recommended Imitation. I have never burned CDs. Is there are a good brand or bad brand on the market? How good are the CDs at Sam¹s? Is there anything I need to know before starting this task? My friend say I simply pop the blank CD into the Superdrive, select the music, pictures or documents and click Burn. Is it really that easy? Thank you for any advice or words of wisdom. Michael Get all of my CD's and DVD's at Sam's Club...Usually the Verbatims...No problems w/coaster's unless I mess up or what ever I am backing up has a problem Mike K -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
