Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
The connect light on the router or EtherPrint don't care about protocols such as AppleTalk, they are just looking for a valid Ethernet connection. If the light isn't coming on you have a problem. Guessing that the router's switch is 10/100 there MAY be an issue with the EtherPrint and 10/100 auto-sensing. Some older 10BaseT hardware doesn't work well with 10/100 gear, the auto-sensing gets confused. Asante 10BaseT stuff in particular was prone to this. However, IIRC the EtherPrint-3 was iMac vintage equipment meant to link the old and the new. The iMacs had 10/100 so it should work. The solution to the auto-sensing problem is to stick a 10BaseT hub That is easy enough. I have an old hub sitting around that would do the job. Thanks, Mark -- Mark Chapman, Membership Secretary/Secrétaire aux admissions The Canadian Society For The Study Of Religion/ Société canadienne pour l'étude de la religion -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
-Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D. Chapman Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:35 To: G-Books Subject: Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity That is a good question. I don't know if the wireless router supports appletalk or not. It does claim to be OSX compatible. Nonetheless, my problem seems to be different from this. The wireless router does not even recognize the Bridge as a live Ethernet device (the connection light does not come on). The bridge I am using is a Dayna EtherPrint-3. I don't know anything about it but will look it up on the internet. Let me make sure I am understanding this correctly and maybe clear up some confusion on the list. You have a wireless router that you computers connect to wirelessly and it connects to the internet. Then you have the EtherPrint-3 which is a Ethernet adapter for printers that don't have a built-in network card. I haven't been able to find any information about the EtherPrint-3 but the other models in the series have a 10base-T Ethernet connection and a serial connection to the printer. What you will need to do is connect the EtherPrint to a LAN port on the router. If you don't get a connect light then try a crossover cable. If that doesn't work I am guessing that the wireless router doesn't route Appletalk and you will need to get one that will, or find a TCP/IP based printer adapter that will work with you laserjet. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
At 12:03 PM -0500 2/4/05, John C. Swanson wrote: -Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D. Chapman Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:35 To: G-Books Subject: Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity That is a good question. I don't know if the wireless router supports appletalk or not. It does claim to be OSX compatible. Nonetheless, my problem seems to be different from this. The wireless router does not even recognize the Bridge as a live Ethernet device (the connection light does not come on). The bridge I am using is a Dayna EtherPrint-3. I don't know anything about it but will look it up on the internet. Let me make sure I am understanding this correctly and maybe clear up some confusion on the list. You have a wireless router that you computers connect to wirelessly and it connects to the internet. Then you have the EtherPrint-3 which is a Ethernet adapter for printers that don't have a built-in network card. I haven't been able to find any information about the EtherPrint-3 but the other models in the series have a 10base-T Ethernet connection and a serial connection to the printer. What you will need to do is connect the EtherPrint to a LAN port on the router. If you don't get a connect light then try a crossover cable. If that doesn't work I am guessing that the wireless router doesn't route Appletalk and you will need to get one that will, or find a TCP/IP based printer adapter that will work with you laserjet. The connect light on the router or EtherPrint don't care about protocols such as AppleTalk, they are just looking for a valid Ethernet connection. If the light isn't coming on you have a problem. Guessing that the router's switch is 10/100 there MAY be an issue with the EtherPrint and 10/100 auto-sensing. Some older 10BaseT hardware doesn't work well with 10/100 gear, the auto-sensing gets confused. Asante 10BaseT stuff in particular was prone to this. However, IIRC the EtherPrint-3 was iMac vintage equipment meant to link the old and the new. The iMacs had 10/100 so it should work. The solution to the auto-sensing problem is to stick a 10BaseT hub between the two devices. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
Thank-you to everyone that responded. Collectively your advice was very helpful. Here is my initial problem and the solution. Problem: I could connect wirelessly to the internet or print to my old Laserwriter but not both at the same time. Solution: New network configuration. DSL modem to WAN port on wireless router, LAN port on wireless router to LAN port on wired router, DHCP turned off on wired router, IP address changed on wired router, wired router rebooted. I can now connect to the internet and print to my LaserWriter wirelessly. I still don't know why the wireless router doesn't connect with my printer but with this setup it doesn't matter. Absolutely wonderful. Thanks all, Mark. -- Mark Chapman, Membership Secretary/Secrétaire aux admissions The Canadian Society For The Study Of Religion/ Société canadienne pour l'étude de la religion -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
-Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D. Chapman Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 21:32 To: G-Books Subject: Printing and Wireless Connectivity 4, If I chain the two routers together by plugging one of the ports on the wireless router into a Lan port on the non-wireless router I can print but I can't access the internet wirelessly. Clearly there is some funky network stuff going on here but it is way out of my league. Any suggestions? Where do I look for help? Thanks, Mark -- I don't know if anyone here can help you just getting the printer to work on the wireless router or not, but number 4 is the correct way to connect the two routers (LAN - LAN). Though before you do that you are going to have to connect to the wired router, login, and turn off its DHCP server. That should fix your problems. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
I am having trouble with my network and I don't even know what to call the problem I am having or where to search for answers. ...snip... Clearly there is some funky network stuff going on here but it is way out of my league. Any suggestions? Where do I look for help? Are you sure that the wireless router you're trying to use supports AppleTalk? I'm not sure how the serial to Ethernet bridge works in details, but I would imagine that when it gets to the bridge, the information is embedded into AppleTalk over Ethernet packets. What kind of bridge are you using? That is a good question. I don't know if the wireless router supports appletalk or not. It does claim to be OSX compatible. Nonetheless, my problem seems to be different from this. The wireless router does not even recognize the Bridge as a live Ethernet device (the connection light does not come on). The bridge I am using is a Dayna EtherPrint-3. I don't know anything about it but will look it up on the internet. Thanks for suggesting an avenue of research, Mark -- Mark Chapman, Membership Secretary/Secrétaire aux admissions The Canadian Society For The Study Of Religion/ Société canadienne pour l'étude de la religion -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
At 9:59 AM -0500 2/3/05, John C. Swanson wrote: -Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D. Chapman Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 21:32 To: G-Books Subject: Printing and Wireless Connectivity 4, If I chain the two routers together by plugging one of the ports on the wireless router into a Lan port on the non-wireless router I can print but I can't access the internet wirelessly. Clearly there is some funky network stuff going on here but it is way out of my league. Any suggestions? Where do I look for help? Thanks, Mark -- I don't know if anyone here can help you just getting the printer to work on the wireless router or not, but number 4 is the correct way to connect the two routers (LAN - LAN). Though before you do that you are going to have to connect to the wired router, login, and turn off its DHCP server. That should fix your problems. That's because the wireless router when it sees you trying to access the Internet it tries to send it out the WAN port where there is nothing. Look through the wireless router setup to see if there is an option to disable the WAN routing or to make it just an access point. Some of the routers I've used do this, some don't. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:49:28 -0800 From: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity At 9:59 AM -0500 2/3/05, John C. Swanson wrote: 4, If I chain the two routers together by plugging one of the ports on the wireless router into a Lan port on the non-wireless router I can print but I can't access the internet wirelessly. Clearly there is some funky network stuff going on here but it is way out of my league. Any suggestions? Where do I look for help? Thanks, Mark -- I don't know if anyone here can help you just getting the printer to work on the wireless router or not, but number 4 is the correct way to connect the two routers (LAN - LAN). Though before you do that you are going to have to connect to the wired router, login, and turn off its DHCP server. That should fix your problems. That's because the wireless router when it sees you trying to access the Internet it tries to send it out the WAN port where there is nothing. Look through the wireless router setup to see if there is an option to disable the WAN routing or to make it just an access point. Some of the routers I've used do this, some don't. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting One issue might be that the SMC wireless router may not pass Appletalk through the wireless side. I don't remember if the 4/600 could use IP printing, but that might be your option. I set up my 16/600 to use IP printing because I have a DLink wireless that won't pass AT over the wireless side. As far as connecting the two routers, I have a similar setup - DSL to Linksys wired and then to DLink wireless. I run one of the Linksys out ports into one of the DLink out ports, and then it just bridges the wired side. You have to turn off the DHCP function of the wireless first. Only one of the routers can be passing out addresses. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
G-Books wrote: I don't remember if the 4/600 could use IP printing, but that might be your option. The LaserWriter 4/600 PS is LocalTalk only, so far as I am aware. I have a 4/600 PS running on a wired network at my parents place using LocalTalk Bridge. We have a 7200/90 on the network which is around for the sole purpose of running LocalTalk Bridge 24/7. This setup works flawlessly. Of course, this is under 8.6 to 9.2.2, and it is wired. I am not sure if it would play nice with OS X. I don't see why it would not, though. The router on the network there is a LinkSys, and AppleTalk is officially not a supported protocol. I am running a Netgear on the network here, and it seems to play nice with AppleTalk to the NeXT Laser Printer. Again, wired network and my machine is running 9.2.2. The NeXTstation is running OPENSTEP and Columbia AppleTalk Protocol (CAPer by Frank Siegert). In effect, the NeXT spools print jobs from the Mac, and digests them for the printer, which hasn't got any brains. Since your problem is that WiFi doesn't like the AppleTalk, IP printing does seem like the logical solution. But, you can't give the 4/600 an IP address. Just a thought but, what if you were to try specifying the IP address of the host which the printer is physically plugged into (herein called hostof4/600PS) as the address for IP printing? If you run LocalTalk Bridge on hostof4/600PS, which I assume you are doing, I would think that it might work. The reason I think this is that with LocalTalk Bridge, you are printing to a printer that does not physically exist on the ethernet network anyhow. As long as the print request gets to hostof4/600PS, IMO LocalTalk Bridge should look after the rest. At least, that would seem logical ... which means it probably won't work. Best of luck:-) -- Regards, Dante McLean Dante McLean Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NeXTmail soon to be welcome! DS16 #19 A Humming Bird Christian Island, Ontario N44° 51.472' W080° 12.349' If you can't get your work done in the first 24 hours, work nights. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Printing and Wireless Connectivity
on 02/02/05 21:31, Mark D. Chapman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having trouble with my network and I don't even know what to call the problem I am having or where to search for answers. I have 3 devices I want to connect: a PowerBook G4 using airport (10.3.7), a BW G3 using an Ethernet cable (10.2.8), and an Apple LaserWriter 4/600PS using a serial to Ethernet bridge. I am using a SMC wireless router to connect them all (SMC2804WBRP-G). Here is my problem: 1. If I plug the printer into the wireless router the router does not recognize it and will not route print jobs to it. 2. If I plug the printer into my non-wireless router (SMC7004VBR) the printer is recognized and I can send print jobs but it is not wireless. 3. If I chain the two routers together by plugging one of the ports on the wireless router into the Wan port of the non-wireless router I can access the internet wirelessly but I can't print. 4, If I chain the two routers together by plugging one of the ports on the wireless router into a Lan port on the non-wireless router I can print but I can't access the internet wirelessly. Clearly there is some funky network stuff going on here but it is way out of my league. Any suggestions? Where do I look for help? Mark, Are you sure that the wireless router you're trying to use supports AppleTalk? I'm not sure how the serial to Ethernet bridge works in details, but I would imagine that when it gets to the bridge, the information is embedded into AppleTalk over Ethernet packets. What kind of bridge are you using? -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] bozotic /boh-zoh'tik/ or /boh-zo'tik/ adj.: [from the name of a TV clown even more losing than Ronald McDonald] Resembling or having the quality of a bozo; that is, clownish, ludicrously wrong, unintentionally humorous. Compare wonky, demented. Note that the noun `bozo' occurs in slang, but the mainstream adjectival form would be `bozo-like' or (in New England) `bozoish'. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
