Re: Wireless Router options
At 11:56 PM -0800 11/29/2002, Kevin Stevens wrote: On Friday, Nov 29, 2002, at 23:42 US/Pacific, Clark Martin wrote: Which routers support AppleTalk between the wireless and wired LAN. This is a must for me, just to be able to print. I don't know why but this should be difficult but it seems like the device should transfer ANY Ethernet packets. Not packets, frames. AppleTalk uses it's own frame type, which isn't the same as normal Ethernet. Some devices support it, others don't. Also, note that you won't be *routing* between the wireless and wired LAN segments, you're bridging. The routing is between either of those segments and the internet segment of the router. Just FYI. I know it's bridging, I just call it a router as that is what they are generally refered to as. They are really router/bridge/switch/accesspoint if not more things too. As a general question can the wireless routers be used simply as an access point. That is, to connect a wired LAN to wireless computers. It seems some at least should be able to based on looking at some features. I have a software router now and want to stick with it unless I can find a hardware router than can do as much. Yep. Just ignore the internet side port/segment. I'm using a Netgear MR814 like this right now. Are there any low cost routers that not only do port mapping but also remap the port numbers. I think this is a big limitation of the ones I've seen so far. They'll map one port number to a computer on the LAN but what if you have two or more computers you want to make available. For example you can have multiple computers accessible by AppleShare IP or Timbuktu by mapping them to different port numbers (549, 550,... and 408, 409, ... respectively). Now I'm confused. If you want a router in between the wireless and wired sides of the internal LAN, the cheap internet routers won't do this. You could put the single-port Internet side on one side of the LAN and the wireless on the other, but that seems in conflict with what I understood you to be saying above. This is in case I use the router to connect to my broadband connection. However, all of the internet routers I've dealt with *can* map different port maps to different internal IP addresses; not just one. The limitation they usually have is that they'll only pass unfiltered traffic to one IP address. But they don't seem to be able to map from the WAN IP address/port to a LAN IP address and a different port. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wireless Router options
On Saturday, Nov 30, 2002, at 00:51 US/Pacific, Clark Martin wrote: I know it's bridging, I just call it a router as that is what they are generally refered to as. They are really router/bridge/switch/accesspoint if not more things too. Ok, I always throw that in there because a lot of people are confused about it. Now I'm confused. If you want a router in between the wireless and wired sides of the internal LAN, the cheap internet routers won't do this. You could put the single-port Internet side on one side of the LAN and the wireless on the other, but that seems in conflict with what I understood you to be saying above. This is in case I use the router to connect to my broadband connection. Ok again... However, all of the internet routers I've dealt with *can* map different port maps to different internal IP addresses; not just one. The limitation they usually have is that they'll only pass unfiltered traffic to one IP address. But they don't seem to be able to map from the WAN IP address/port to a LAN IP address and a different port. Sure, that's exactly what they do. Both my Netgear and a super-cheap Gigafast internet router I have do this, as well as of course my Cisco 806 router which is what I actually use. You can define a source port, a destination port, and a destination IP address. The source IP address is determined by what you assigned to the WAN interface. I just went and double-checked to be sure - obviously the more common need is to simply forward an incoming port to the same port at a different address, but they do allow for changing the destination port as well. I imagine you should check the docs for the specific device you're considering, but it is a generally available feature. I don't recommend the Netgear only because some people report that it doesn't bridge AppleTalk frames (I don't use AppleTalk). Rumor is the older MR 314 does, but I wouldn't recommend that either because it's been obsoleted by the 814. KeS -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wireless Router options
On Saturday, Nov 30, 2002, at 04:10 US/Eastern, Kevin Stevens wrote: I imagine you should check the docs for the specific device you're considering, but it is a generally available feature. I don't recommend the Netgear only because some people report that it doesn't bridge AppleTalk frames (I don't use AppleTalk). Rumor is the older MR 314 does, but I wouldn't recommend that either because it's been obsoleted by the 814. Yeah, like the SE was obsoleted by the Classic BTW, the MR314 does support AppleTalk, it still works. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wireless Router options
On Saturday, Nov 30, 2002, at 04:48 US/Pacific, P.F.Grenier wrote: On Saturday, Nov 30, 2002, at 04:10 US/Eastern, Kevin Stevens wrote: I imagine you should check the docs for the specific device you're considering, but it is a generally available feature. I don't recommend the Netgear only because some people report that it doesn't bridge AppleTalk frames (I don't use AppleTalk). Rumor is the older MR 314 does, but I wouldn't recommend that either because it's been obsoleted by the 814. Yeah, like the SE was obsoleted by the Classic BTW, the MR314 does support AppleTalk, it still works. I don't understand your analogy (I don't know/care about old Macs); my point was that the 814 is a newer model than the 314, but is functionally similar, and thus is more likely to be supported by Netgear for a longer period. KeS -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wireless Router options
From: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (G-Books) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:42:24 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (G-Books) Subject: Wireless Router options I have a New Powerbook G3 (no Series). I want to put a Orinoco Gold card in it and get a wireless router to connect it to the network. Some questions: First does anyone know someplace to get an Orinoco Gold for less than $65. Which routers support AppleTalk between the wireless and wired LAN. This is a must for me, just to be able to print. I don't know why but this should be difficult but it seems like the device should transfer ANY Ethernet packets. As a general question can the wireless routers be used simply as an access point. That is, to connect a wired LAN to wireless computers. It seems some at least should be able to based on looking at some features. I have a software router now and want to stick with it unless I can find a hardware router than can do as much. Are there any low cost routers that not only do port mapping but also remap the port numbers. I think this is a big limitation of the ones I've seen so far. They'll map one port number to a computer on the LAN but what if you have two or more computers you want to make available. For example you can have multiple computers accessible by AppleShare IP or Timbuktu by mapping them to different port numbers (549, 550,... and 408, 409, ... respectively). TIA -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wireless Router options
If you must print there are routers with built in printer servers, or you could get a wireless print server. SMC is having a big sale on these routers now at most retailers on and offline. -- Mike Amato -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wireless Router options
On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 06:42 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Which routers support AppleTalk between the wireless and wired LAN. This is a must for me, just to be able to print. I don't know why but this should be difficult but it seems like the device should transfer ANY Ethernet packets. I have a D-Link DI-614+, and it does all that you mention. I forward a variety of ports to the SSH ports on a few machines on my LAN, so I can get at all my machines remotely. I also have a beige G3 and an ethernet print server connected via a cable to the 614+ and I regularly browse shares on the G3 and print from wireless devices. It was occasionally flaky when my ADSL dropped out when I first got it, but a firmware update to fix that appeared on the D-Link site very quickly. I have nothing but love for this device now. http://www.dlink.com/products/digitalHome/wireless/11b+/di614+/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Wireless Router options
On Friday, Nov 29, 2002, at 23:42 US/Pacific, Clark Martin wrote: Which routers support AppleTalk between the wireless and wired LAN. This is a must for me, just to be able to print. I don't know why but this should be difficult but it seems like the device should transfer ANY Ethernet packets. Not packets, frames. AppleTalk uses it's own frame type, which isn't the same as normal Ethernet. Some devices support it, others don't. Also, note that you won't be *routing* between the wireless and wired LAN segments, you're bridging. The routing is between either of those segments and the internet segment of the router. Just FYI. As a general question can the wireless routers be used simply as an access point. That is, to connect a wired LAN to wireless computers. It seems some at least should be able to based on looking at some features. I have a software router now and want to stick with it unless I can find a hardware router than can do as much. Yep. Just ignore the internet side port/segment. I'm using a Netgear MR814 like this right now. Are there any low cost routers that not only do port mapping but also remap the port numbers. I think this is a big limitation of the ones I've seen so far. They'll map one port number to a computer on the LAN but what if you have two or more computers you want to make available. For example you can have multiple computers accessible by AppleShare IP or Timbuktu by mapping them to different port numbers (549, 550,... and 408, 409, ... respectively). Now I'm confused. If you want a router in between the wireless and wired sides of the internal LAN, the cheap internet routers won't do this. You could put the single-port Internet side on one side of the LAN and the wireless on the other, but that seems in conflict with what I understood you to be saying above. However, all of the internet routers I've dealt with *can* map different port maps to different internal IP addresses; not just one. The limitation they usually have is that they'll only pass unfiltered traffic to one IP address. KeS TIA -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
