TCP/IP over FW (Was FW disk mode crashed host)
Here: http://developer.apple.com/firewire/IP_over_FireWire.html On Jan 27, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Andrew Kershaw wrote: My reply doesn't really answer the OP's questions, but . . . I've not used FW target disk mode, but for fast file transfers I was mighty impressed with filesharing using TCP/IP-over-FW. I haven't done any timed benchmarks but Finder copies between a pair of Pismos is _fast_fast_fast_. Perhaps doing the filecopies using TCP/IP-over-FW might work out better? Dan K (who's been waiting for an opportunity to mention TCP/IP-over-FW :-) Whoa, wait a minute... You can do TCP/IP over FireWire? I remember there being some discussion back when FireWire was new about doing AppleTalk on FireWire (though I quickly grew uninterested in that idea and don't know if it's possible today or not), but if I've heard anything about TCP/IP over FW, it's just a quiet mumble in some hidden memory... Please do spill the beans, Dan! Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ Phil Burk ___ Systems Support Technician Wiley Publishing, Inc. Indianapolis, IN 46256 317-572-3049 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: TCP/IP over FW (Was FW disk mode crashed host)
Drew Kershaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoa, wait a minute... You can do TCP/IP over FireWire? I remember there being some discussion back when FireWire was new about doing AppleTalk on FireWire (though I quickly grew uninterested in that idea and don't know if it's possible today or not), but if I've heard anything about TCP/IP over FW, it's just a quiet mumble in some hidden memory... Please do spill the beans, Dan! to which Phil Burk [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied: Here: http://developer.apple.com/firewire/IP_over_FireWire.html It's built-in to Panther, here's how I enabled it on my Pismos: System Prefs-Network-Show: Network Port Configs-New...-Port: Built-in FireWire You can add TCP/IP over FireWire to 10.2.x via the IP over FireWire Preview Release v1.1 devkit (see Phil's comment/url above.) You must sign in at Apple's Developer Connection to DL (free to sign up, includes DL access to various dev goodies), look for the DL software:FireWire link in the upper lefthand of the page. I suppose a X-capable Mac with enet and FW ports could function as a router, providing DHCP, NAT, etc. for a FW-connected LAN through a FW hub, though I haven't tried it. The throughput is likely quite alot faster than 100BT enet, but I don't know enough about how it would compare with a gigE network. The hardware would be cheaper though for a small FW net (FW PCI cards are what, $15 each?) I dunno how FW works for long wire runs, actually I don't think it does work over more than a few meters. Anyone know the allowable FW cable lengths? I don't think TCP/IP over FireWire is available for MacOS 8/9. Dan K . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: TCP/IP over FW (Was FW disk mode crashed host)
On Jan 28, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Dan K wrote: It's built-in to Panther, here's how I enabled it on my Pismos: I guess I should have pointed that out as well. Thanks, Dan. I suppose a X-capable Mac with enet and FW ports could function as a router, providing DHCP, NAT, etc. for a FW-connected LAN through a FW hub, though I haven't tried it. The throughput is likely quite alot faster than 100BT enet, but I don't know enough about how it would compare with a gigE network. The hardware would be cheaper though for a small FW net (FW PCI cards are what, $15 each?) I dunno how FW works for long wire runs, actually I don't think it does work over more than a few meters. Anyone know the allowable FW cable lengths? The current limitation for IEEE 1394 is 4.5 meters. There are repeaters that can extend this distance. Here's a link for some, in both 400 and 800 flavors: http://www.granitedigital.com/catalog/pg30_firewirerepeaters.htm $49 and $79, respectively. I don't think TCP/IP over FireWire is available for MacOS 8/9. Not unless someone besides Apple has written an extension for it. Highly unlikely. Phil Burk ___ Systems Support Technician Wiley Publishing, Inc. Indianapolis, IN 46256 317-572-3049 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: TCP/IP over FW (Was FW disk mode crashed host)
On Jan 28, 2004, at 11:11 AM, Phil Burk wrote: Here: http://developer.apple.com/firewire/IP_over_FireWire.html This is somewhat old news. It's built into Panther (and possibly Jag, but I'm not sure) Right now I have a user happily using his toshiba (winXP) laptop (I know, WinXP and happily aren't two words one would usually associate!) connected via firewire to his G4 tower which is sharing his ethernet internet connection via the Firewire port. You have to add the firewire network connection via System Prefs Network Network Port Configurations New. If your system supports TCP/IP over firewire, that will be a choice. Then you can use it like any other network connection. (and by the way WOOHOO!!! I can post again at last!!! ) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
