Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-23 Thread Stuart Saunders


On 24/02/2006, at 3:30 AM, Howard wrote:


Just an FYI--

I have yet to receive anything back from the nice yogurt people in
response to my email to them.  Has anyone else gotten a response yet?


I just got a response from my bank;
Thank you for your recent email regarding our Business Internet  
Banking (BIB) service.


I would like to explain the situation.

I understand from the relevant department that we have conducted a  
thorough testing for the compatibility of various internet browsers  
and operating system with the security measurements of our BIB system  
before our full launch. The main purpose is to allow the customers to  
access our BIB system in a secured environment.


In view of your situation, please provide the following information  
by returned email


(1) basic system information (e.g. which internet browser and its  
version number, operating system etc)
(2) direct contact number and preferred date and time for our  
Technical Support Officer to contact you directly.


I appreciate your patience on this matter and look forward to your  
reply soon.


Yours sincerely


;-)

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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-22 Thread Howard Katz
Just an FYI--

I have yet to receive anything back from the nice yogurt people in
response to my email to them.  Has anyone else gotten a response yet?


Later...Howard

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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-22 Thread calebcupplessocialism

Just an FYI--

I have yet to receive anything back from the nice yogurt people in
response to my email to them.  Has anyone else gotten a response yet?



Nope, and I even used my full credentials when I signed the letter. 
Apparently, they're not concerned about business from Mac-loving UNIX 
administrators...


Caleb

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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-22 Thread calebcupplessocialism

on 22/02/06 18:56, Howard Katz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I have yet to receive anything back from the nice yogurt people in
 response to my email to them.  Has anyone else gotten a response yet?


I've got a reply from their customer relation. They said that they were
evaluating the rewrite of their web site after complaints they got. So, it
might get accessible for non-Windows users at some point.


It seems like mass action on the part of Mac users is effective. If 
we can rally behind web standards and use our l33t email skills to 
convince web developers to play nice, the net will be a better 
place...


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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-22 Thread Howard Katz
I'm curious--how long was the time gap between when you wrote them and
when they responded?


Later..Howard

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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-22 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 22/02/06 20:36, Howard Katz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm curious--how long was the time gap between when you wrote them and
 when they responded?

I wrote them on Sunday and got the reply today.

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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-21 Thread sandra ragan

On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kudos to those who support Macs, even if there are few of them lying 
around.


Any one know what the current stats are for Mac usage? A quick search 
found this 2004 article:


T h e   R o a d   L e s s   T r a v e l e d
The Mac numbers game: Don't believe what Windows bigots tell you

... Apple's global share in the market for new computers hit a low of 
1.7 percent in 2003. The 2004 numbers are likely to be a little better, 
but not much.
   Yet my own rough calculations indicate that 8 percent of the 
personal computers used today in homes -- leaving out all the computers 
used in offices and businesses -- are Apple Macintoshes. Others have 
said my number is conservative; I've seen the total for Macs in home 
use as high as 12 percent.

http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/mac033104.html

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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-20 Thread Tom Ethen

On 2/20/06 9:52 AM, Stuart Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well my bloody stupid bank does. Presumably, 'for reasons of
 security', they only support windows and explorer or netscape. So,
 instead of being able to log in using the most secure system, I have
 to use the most insecure system, and as well I have to use a public
 computer to do that. They advise you not to use public computers! I
 ain' gunna buy one of them machines just because the bank would like
 me to. I wonder if the bank got a cut on a windows installation if
 they kept their website 'pure'?

Well, I use USBank and their site works just fine on my Mac using any
browser I want to use, so if I were you, I would change banks and find one
that is more progressive and less PC anal. If their web site is that lame, I
would worry about the rest of their system and how safe my money was and I
repeat

 What kind of idiot company would make their web site platform
 specific and
 eliminate potential customers?.

Tom


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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-20 Thread sandra ragan

On Feb 20, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Tom Ethen wrote:


Well, I use USBank and their site works just fine on my Mac using any
browser I want to use, so if I were you, I would change banks and find 
one
that is more progressive and less PC anal. If their web site is that 
lame, I
would worry about the rest of their system and how safe my money was 
and I

repeat


What kind of idiot company would make their web site platform
specific and
eliminate potential customers?.


Tom


B of A did this for a very long time... they finally started using 
something else.
I really get irritated at techs who think we are a tiny, irrelevant 
minority... one recently told me that when I couldn't connect to their 
network... because of his non-standard Windows setup... actually told 
me if it was him, he'd toss my Mac laptop in the bay!


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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-20 Thread sandra ragan

On Feb 20, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Harry Corsover wrote:

where I just get the your session has timed out screen unless I 
manually search for and delete all USBank cookies.


sounds like bad programming on the bank's end.

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Re: Website Compatibility (Stoneyfield)

2006-02-20 Thread Brian McEwen


On Feb 20, 2006, at 2:19 PM, Bert Mehling wrote:



Just for the record, I had no trouble with the Stoneyfield website,  
using Safari on TiBook with OS 10.3.9. Everything worked just fine.


Bert Mehling


breaks in fireFox for me if you try and follow the get coupons  
thing all the way to actually _get_ coupons.


try it that far?

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Re: Website Compatibility (Stoneyfield)

2006-02-20 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 20/02/06 14:19, Bert Mehling at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Just for the record, I had no trouble with the Stoneyfield website,
 using Safari on TiBook with OS 10.3.9. Everything worked just fine.
 
 Bert Mehling

You probably didn't get far enough as there is no way you can have ActiveX
running in Safari under OS X 10.3.9. ActiveX is a plugin available only for
Internet Exploiter under Windblows.

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Re: Website Compatibility (Stoneyfield)

2006-02-20 Thread Howard Katz
I just tried the Stonyfield website:  with FireFox, I get little
adblock boxes all over their home graphic, and if I move the cursor
around, the images sometimes pop up.

Tried the same page with iCab.  No problems--I can see all the
graphics, and access the individual pages.  (Is there one with
printable coupons?  I see the one where they want an email address and
they'll send you e-coupons, but I really don't need another company
sending me information - even if, as they claim, they won't sell the
email info.


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Re: Website Compatibility (Stoneyfield)

2006-02-20 Thread Brian McEwen


On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Howard Katz wrote:



Tried the same page with iCab.  No problems--I can see all the
graphics, and access the individual pages.  (Is there one with
printable coupons?  I see the one where they want an email address and
they'll send you e-coupons, but I really don't need another company
sending me information - even if, as they claim, they won't sell the
email info.


yes, that's the part that breaks.  Feed them a fake gmail account and  
see what happens- that's when you get the sorry, no macs thing.


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Re: Website Compatibility (Stoneyfield)

2006-02-20 Thread Howard Katz
Worked for me in iCab:

Thank you for your subscription Howard. You are now subscribed to:

Stonyfield Farm E-Coupons

Click here to download your E-Coupons.


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Re: Website Compatibility (Stoneyfield)

2006-02-20 Thread Howard Katz
Aha--got it:

We have noticed that you are using a Macintosh Computer.
Unfortunately, our system is not cowmpatible with the Macintosh
platform.


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Re: Website Compatibility (Stoneyfield)

2006-02-20 Thread Howard Katz
I went to send them a complaint email, and their contact page wouldn't
give me a valid address that I could see, so I did a shotgun attempt;.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to
have gone thru.  (I tried president@ but that bounced.)

I started the letter with a quote of their line about not supporting
Macs.   I noted that macs are a recognized, and valid platform, and
the browsers are industry standard.  I ended my complaint with:

I guess I stop buying Stonyfield products--they're obviously not
compatible with MY system.


Hopefully they get the message.  :)


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Re: Website Compatibility (Stoneyfield)

2006-02-20 Thread sandra ragan

On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Howard Katz wrote:


Unfortunately, our system is not cowmpatible with the Macintosh
platform.


Are they actually using that cow in quotes or just the misspelling? I 
think I would have pointed out their that their purposeful insult was 
not appreciated, either... or maybe that it's just a peecee problem...


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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-20 Thread Tim Collier

On Feb 20, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Stuart Saunders wrote:



On 20/02/2006, at 4:28 AM, Tom wrote:

What kind of idiot company would make their web site platform  
specific and

eliminate potential customers?


Well my bloody stupid bank does. Presumably, 'for reasons of  
security', they only support windows and explorer or netscape. So,  
instead of being able to log in using the most secure system, I  
have to use the most insecure system, and as well I have to use a  
public computer to do that. They advise you not to use public  
computers! I ain' gunna buy one of them machines just because the  
bank would like me to. I wonder if the bank got a cut on a windows  
installation if they kept their website 'pure'?


My bank, Regions (formerly Union Planters here in Florida) TOTALLY  
supports Safari, Firefox and OmniWeb as well as Internet Explorer.   
Personally, I'd find a new bank.  My wife works for them too.  She  
says the IT department, with which she works closely and is able give  
input (she's a Branch Manager), strives to be compatible with ALL  
browsers and platforms.  They want everybody's business!  Banking via  
website lowers operating costs and also saves the customer money.  Of  
course Regions is one of the most advanced Banks in the SouthEast as  
far as software and hardware.  Though their systems run on Windows  
Servers.  I'd certainly seek out another bank.
I look at it this way, if they don't want to accommodate you, I  
certainly wouldn't give them my business...remember, they're making  
money off of you.


Tim

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Re: Website Compatibility (Stoneyfield)

2006-02-20 Thread Howard Katz
On 2/20/06, sandra ragan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Howard Katz wrote:

  Unfortunately, our system is not cowmpatible with the Macintosh
  platform.

 Are they actually using that cow in quotes or just the misspelling? I
 think I would have pointed out their that their purposeful insult was
 not appreciated, either... or maybe that it's just a peecee problem...

I did a cut-and-paste of their message, Sandra.  That's what it
actually says.  :)


Later.Howard

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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-20 Thread Tim Collier


I find that with USBank, even when I log off properly in Safari  
(even the latest one), I often get stuck in a loop where I just get  
the your session has timed out screen unless I manually search  
for and delete all USBank cookies. (It sure would be nice to have a  
search feature within the cookies list!).


Some other banks or credit card sites give me a window telling me  
my browser is not compatible, but if I click Continue it works just  
fine.


Regards,

Harry Corsover

Follow up on that:  AmEx's site works fine with Safari and so does  
Bank of America.  For that matter the state of Florida's website  
works fine too.  We have a thing called SunPass that allows you to  
pass through toll plazas without having to stop and it debits via a  
little box.  Go to the website to put more money on it and I usually  
use Safarinot one problem.  As a matter of fact I do EVERY form  
of financial transaction exclusively using the web.  I haven't  
written a check in years (about 5).  Guess I've just been lucky  
enough to do my transactions with progressive companies...oh, my  
insurance company, Progressive, is totally Mac compatible.


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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-20 Thread calebcupplessocialism
My bank, Regions (formerly Union Planters here in Florida) TOTALLY 
supports Safari, Firefox and OmniWeb as well as Internet Explorer.


The same down here. All the local banks here are fully Mac 
compatible, including mine, which only has offices here, and in one 
other place in the world, that just happens to be the next town over. 
The funny thing is that there are less than two dozen Mac users in 
town, that I know of. Out of all my friends and people I know from 
school, there are only three others I know of who use Macs.


Kudos to those who support Macs, even if there are few of them lying around.

Caleb


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Re: Website Compatibility (Stoneyfield)

2006-02-20 Thread bobgir2004
 We should all write them and tell them we're going to boycott their
 products until they unleash Mac users from Windows Dominion!   :)
 
 That's a very good idea! I'm going to let them know right away!
 
 -Laurent.
 
 This is the text I left on their website, as a complaint:

I, alas, lost it and left a far more intemperate message on their web
site:

If your website is not compatible with Macintosh, my wallet is no longer
compatible with Stonyfield Farm products.  There are tons of other dairy
products available on the shelves of my local supermarket and it is for
those products I will reach...until the time that your lazy sod of a web
designer gets off his fat ass and does what you pay him for:  produce a web
sight compatible to all web browsers and not to the single most insecure
browser currently known to man:  MSIE.  Ciao, Stonyfield...at least for now.



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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-20 Thread Clark Martin

At 8:41 PM -0600 2/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My bank, Regions (formerly Union Planters here in Florida) TOTALLY 
supports Safari, Firefox and OmniWeb as well as Internet Explorer.


The same down here. All the local banks here are fully Mac 
compatible, including mine, which only has offices here, and in one 
other place in the world, that just happens to be the next town 
over. The funny thing is that there are less than two dozen Mac 
users in town, that I know of. Out of all my friends and people I 
know from school, there are only three others I know of who use Macs.


Kudos to those who support Macs, even if there are few of them lying around.


It isn't a matter of supporting Macs but of supporting standards for 
HTML.  The idea that a web site has to be all bells and whistles is 
absurd.  There was a period where every time I went surfing I'd hit 
at least one site that needed the latest version of flash or some 
other crud just so they can have flames or something stupid on the 
page.  It got real frustrating.  The rate of change has fortunately 
slowed somewhat so you have a chance really doing something most of 
the time.

--
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I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway

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Re: Website compatibility

2006-02-20 Thread calebcupplessocialism
It isn't a matter of supporting Macs but of supporting standards for 
HTML.  The idea that a web site has to be all bells and whistles is 
absurd.  There was a period where every time I went surfing I'd hit 
at least one site that needed the latest version of flash or some 
other crud just so they can have flames or something stupid on the 
page.  It got real frustrating.  The rate of change has fortunately 
slowed somewhat so you have a chance really doing something most of 
the time.


I remember those times all too well. In fact, there are a couple of 
sites that I used to check on my Linux box that I can't on my 
Lombard, because it can only take Flash version 7 instead of 8... Of 
course, the whole bloat mess has really irritated me to no end, 
especially when I ran dialup. (26K dialup until I switched to a 3MB/s 
cable connection through Charter)


Caleb

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Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Barry Muller
So I end up on Stonyfield's website (the yogurt
people) and got to click to get their coupons and get
the following error:

We have noticed that you are using a Macintosh
Computer. Unfortunately, our system is not
cowmpatible with the Macintosh platform.

Now, it seems to me that if you one is on the web and
using HTML, Java, ... etc. this stuff is platform
independant, so a developer would have to go out of
their way to make it incompatible with a type of
computer.  

Also this particular firm takes a hipster-dufus
marketing approach and would seem to me would want to
cultivate customers in the progressive Mac community. 


Oh yeah, this happend while surfing with my 400 MHz
Pismo (obligatory G-book content).

Thanks for listening/reading.  Would be great if
someone would generate a list of shame on the web for
sites that have known compatibility issues with a
given system (Mac, Linux, yes - even WIndows, if such
a sie exists).

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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread calebcupplessocialism

So I end up on Stonyfield's website (the yogurt
people) and got to click to get their coupons and get
the following error:

We have noticed that you are using a Macintosh
Computer. Unfortunately, our system is not

cowmpatible with the Macintosh platform.

Well, I tried that site, to see what would happen, and I got it to 
work in iCab 3 (Mac OS 9) by setting a User Defined agent string as 
Mozilla/Firefox 1.5/Windows XP (SP2), but it's still a fool's move 
to do that.


It even flunked my Wintel box when I did an about:config in Firefox 
and set the identification to Mozilla/Firefox 1.5/Macintosh OSX 
(PPC)


Idiot coders not wanting to take their punishment for writing buggy code...

Caleb

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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 19/02/06 06:49, Barry Muller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So I end up on Stonyfield's website (the yogurt
 people) and got to click to get their coupons and get
 the following error:
 
 We have noticed that you are using a Macintosh
 Computer. Unfortunately, our system is not
 cowmpatible with the Macintosh platform.
 
 Now, it seems to me that if you one is on the web and
 using HTML, Java, ... etc. this stuff is platform
 independant, so a developer would have to go out of
 their way to make it incompatible with a type of
 computer.  
 
 Also this particular firm takes a hipster-dufus
 marketing approach and would seem to me would want to
 cultivate customers in the progressive Mac community.
 
 
 Oh yeah, this happend while surfing with my 400 MHz
 Pismo (obligatory G-book content).
 
 Thanks for listening/reading.  Would be great if
 someone would generate a list of shame on the web for
 sites that have known compatibility issues with a
 given system (Mac, Linux, yes - even WIndows, if such
 a sie exists).

If you can enable the debug option in Safari, you could select the Windows
Microsoft Explorer user agent, which basically tells the website which
browser you use. I just tried it and had no problem getting in. Initially,
before I changed the user agent, I got the same message but now it appears
to be fine.

It's really a pity that developers are so lazy that they code for only a
specific platform. The Internet was supposed to be platform and OS agnostic
but the dominance of Windows and the constant push from Microsoft with their
specific extensions to the HTML language has skewed the direction of the
Internet and many websites only assume that you're running Windows and using
Internet Exploiter...

You could email or contact them to let them know

-Laurent.
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term is also used of modern supercomputers). Often in the phrase big iron.
Oppose silicon. See also dinosaur.



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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 19/02/06 06:49, Barry Muller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So I end up on Stonyfield's website (the yogurt
 people) and got to click to get their coupons and get
 the following error:
 
 We have noticed that you are using a Macintosh
 Computer. Unfortunately, our system is not
 cowmpatible with the Macintosh platform.

Oups! I just realized why they only support Windows and Exploiter: they use
the shameless ActiveX plugin. Well, then you're stuck and should email them
to let them know they're losing customers.

-Laurent.
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where the program counter should be pointing, especially a place that is
inaccessible because it is not even mapped in by the virtual-memory system.
Another core dump -- looks like the program jumped off to hyperspace
somehow. (Compare jump off into never-never land.) This usage is from the
SF notion of a spaceship jumping `into hyperspace', that is, taking a
shortcut through higher-dimensional space -- in other words, bypassing this
universe. The variant `east hyperspace' is recorded among CMU and Bliss
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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Barry Muller


--- Barry Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So I end up on Stonyfield's website (the yogurt
 people) and got to click to get their coupons and
 get
 the following error:
 
 We have noticed that you are using a Macintosh
 Computer. Unfortunately, our system is not
 cowmpatible with the Macintosh platform.
 
 Now, it seems to me that if you one is on the web
 and
 using HTML, Java, ... etc. this stuff is platform
 independant, so a developer would have to go out of
 their way to make it incompatible with a type of
 computer.  
 
 Also this particular firm takes a hipster-dufus
 marketing approach and would seem to me would want
 to
 cultivate customers in the progressive Mac
 community. 
 
 
 Oh yeah, this happend while surfing with my 400 MHz
 Pismo (obligatory G-book content).
 
 Thanks for listening/reading.  Would be great if
 someone would generate a list of shame on the web
 for
 sites that have known compatibility issues with a
 given system (Mac, Linux, yes - even WIndows, if
 such
 a sie exists).
 

PS: Yes I sent them an email asking when they were
going to fix the problem.  Let you know if I get a
snide comment that I need to get a real computer or
other such tult.

bem


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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Tom Ethen
What kind of idiot company would make their web site platform specific and
eliminate potential customers?

Tom


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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Tim Collier
If you can enable the debug option in Safari, you could select the  
Windows

Microsoft Explorer user agent, which basically tells the website which
browser you use. I just tried it and had no problem getting in.  
Initially,
before I changed the user agent, I got the same message but now it  
appears

to be fine.

It's really a pity that developers are so lazy that they code for  
only a
specific platform. The Internet was supposed to be platform and OS  
agnostic
but the dominance of Windows and the constant push from Microsoft  
with their
specific extensions to the HTML language has skewed the direction  
of the
Internet and many websites only assume that you're running Windows  
and using

Internet Exploiter...

You could email or contact them to let them know


Well put, but somehow, I don't think it's going to happen.


Exterminate all rational thought.



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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Donald Keenan


On Sunday, February 19, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Barry Muller wrote:




--- Barry Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So I end up on Stonyfield's website (the yogurt
people) and got to click to get their coupons and
get
the following error:

We have noticed that you are using a Macintosh
Computer. Unfortunately, our system is not
cowmpatible with the Macintosh platform.



And Stoneyfield has been singled out for being so technology forward 
for their use of blogs! I'm used to being turned away by MTV and VH1 
streaming content because of using a Mac. In the case of streaming 
content, I think it's often part of the greedy copy protection wars 
that keep us in our ghetto.


Thanks for emailing them (SF) feedback.

Donald


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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Howard Katz
We should all write them and tell them we're going to boycott their
products until they unleash Mac users from Windows Dominion!   :)

Later..Howard

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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 19/02/06 11:45, Howard Katz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We should all write them and tell them we're going to boycott their
 products until they unleash Mac users from Windows Dominion!   :)

That's a very good idea! I'm going to let them know right away!

-Laurent.
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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 19/02/06 16:44, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 19/02/06 11:45, Howard Katz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 We should all write them and tell them we're going to boycott their
 products until they unleash Mac users from Windows Dominion!   :)
 
 That's a very good idea! I'm going to let them know right away!
 
 -Laurent.

This is the text I left on their website, as a complaint:


My complaint doesn't have anything to do with your products, I love them! I
want to complain because of the way your web site is locking out all
non-Windows, non-Internet Exploiter users by designing a web site that
relies on non-standard extensions to Internet standards, namely ActiveX.
Frankly, with all the problems that we have heard over the last few years
about how unsecure Exploiter and Windows for that matter are, I can't
understand why you keep encouraging this platform and can't demonstrate more
imagination to be able to deliver your web content without relying on
extensions that were lame attempts by Microsoft to try dominating the web.
Haven't you read many publications, even ones dedicated to Windows,
recommending their readers to stop using Explorer?

I'm really disappointed by this situation and until it is resolved, I will
unfortunately stop buying any of your products.

Thank you for reading this.


-Laurent.
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Re: Website Compatibility (Stonyfield)

2006-02-19 Thread Harry Corsover

On Feb 19, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

Oups! I just realized why they only support Windows and Exploiter:  
they use
the shameless ActiveX plugin. Well, then you're stuck and should  
email them

to let them know they're losing customers.


Laurent,

I work with an otherwise excellent company that uses ActiveX for  
training web conferences. So far, I've had to use VPC in order to  
participate. Even with VPC 7.x on a 15 AlBook 1.25GHz with 1 GB RAM  
and OS 10.4.5, doing anything in Windows is painfully slow.


Are there options that could be suggested to these programmers to  
make this process platform-independent? I'm thinking that there must  
be ways to do web conferences (where participants can see what the  
presenter is doing on her/his computer in real time) that don't  
depend on MS-only software...


Thanks,

Harry Corsover


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