Re: next generation of laptop construction and design
I love the trackpad. I'm a high-speed touch-typist and to me the track pad is far better ergonomically than a track ball or mouse. I don't think I have ever hit it accidentally during the course of typing. Bruce on 6/7/04 10:57 PM, Andrew F. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, as a long-time trackpad-hater and IBM TrackPoint fan, why not just get rid of the trackpad altogether and let Apple inovate something new? The original PB 100 was so cool because unlike the clip-on mice of the competition, it had a wonderful trackball built-in. The 500-series were cool because they introduced the touchpad (woe be to us), and now, a decade later, we have, the same, ergonomically dismal trackpad. Something along the lines of the IBM eraserhead, only easier to use, retaining the ability to tap but without the huge square of touch-sensitive whatever the hell its made of to be accidentally touched. I'm just dreaming, but as a trackpad-hater and Mac-fan, that's all I can do. Andrew On 6/7/04 10:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of the next generation PowerBooks, it would be really neat if Apple would scrap the trackpads used in the G4's and went back to the configuration used in the Pismo. Having it raised just a tad makes a huge ergonomic difference! Ned -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On 6/8/04 2:21 AM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still prefer the feel of the IBM Eraserhead Thingee, which to me is about the best laptop pointing device out there. Ick. Hate em. Love the trackpad. There may be something better out there to be invented, but the eraserhead is awful. IMO TjL Sent using the Microsoft Entourage 2004 for Mac Test Drive. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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I see your office 2004 test drive footer. How do you like it so far? I have and like v.X, but figured on upgrading since I qualify for the student and teacher addition, which is a steal at $150 for three licenses and I only have the single license on v.X (installed on two computers, but can't use simultaneously). Any problems on the new version yet? Any features that justify spending money? Andrew On 6/7/04 11:27 PM, Timothy Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/8/04 2:21 AM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still prefer the feel of the IBM Eraserhead Thingee, which to me is about the best laptop pointing device out there. Ick. Hate em. Love the trackpad. There may be something better out there to be invented, but the eraserhead is awful. IMO TjL Sent using the Microsoft Entourage 2004 for Mac Test Drive. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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The whole ergonomics of the G3 Series is (are?) superior to later models. The trackpad that follows the contour of the case interior, the excellent keyboard, the curved case that somehow makes it more human-friendly, the feel of the matt black finish against your hand when you carry it. Altogether, a very pleasant, attractive design. Susan Platter Swindon, Wiltshire, England On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 07:01 AM, G-Books wrote: Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:53:34 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: next generation of laptop construction and design Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of the next generation PowerBooks, it would be really neat if Apple would scrap the trackpads used in the G4's and went back to the configuration used in the Pismo. Having it raised just a tad makes a huge ergonomic difference! Ned -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Whatabout magnesium housing? I remember skateboard trucks was (are?) made from aluminium and that magnesium ones replaced them to some extent as they were lighter. Would that be a good material for portables too? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On 6/8/04 3:49 AM, Susan Platter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole ergonomics of the G3 Series is (are?) superior to later models. The trackpad that follows the contour of the case interior, the excellent keyboard, the curved case that somehow makes it more human-friendly, the feel of the matt black finish against your hand when you carry it. Altogether, a very pleasant, attractive design. Absolutely agree about the ergonomics. The 15 aluminum I currently have is a marvel. Thanks to the large display my home desktop barely gets used any longer. However the front edge is very uncomfortable. On the days when I'm word processing on the road or out in the garden, I very much miss my clamshell iBook or Wallstreet. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On 6/8/04 1:57 AM, Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 500-series were cool because they introduced the touchpad (woe be to us), and now, a decade later, we have, the same, ergonomically dismal trackpad. But I don't miss removing the ball to clean the rollers. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On 08/06/2004, at 5:49 PM, Susan Platter wrote: The whole ergonomics of the G3 Series is (are?) superior to later models. The trackpad that follows the contour of the case interior, the excellent keyboard, the curved case that somehow makes it more human-friendly, the feel of the matt black finish against your hand when you carry it. Altogether, a very pleasant, attractive design. I think so too. I don't find the current flat trackpad button position all that easy to use on modern machines or my pb190. The 540c had it just right, with the clicker curving down in front it just fits my fingers well :). Haven't yet had a chance to use a pismo long enough to get to know it, but I'm sure I'll grab one for myself eventually :) dana -- http://www.danamania.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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In a message dated 6/8/2004 1:58:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something along the lines of the IBM eraserhead, only easier to use, retaining the ability to tap but without the huge square of touch-sensitive whatever the hell its made of to be accidentally touched. I'm just dreaming, but as a trackpad-hater and Mac-fan, that's all I can do. What about something like the Fujitsu B-series line of laptops, that use a touchscreen and a clicker where the clicker/trackpad combo usually is? Craig W. Atlanta GA If you go to war you have already lost ---Shogun Tokugawa -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Much too large and heavy. Andrew On 6/8/04 12:49 AM, Susan Platter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole ergonomics of the G3 Series is (are?) superior to later models. The trackpad that follows the contour of the case interior, the excellent keyboard, the curved case that somehow makes it more human-friendly, the feel of the matt black finish against your hand when you carry it. Altogether, a very pleasant, attractive design. Susan Platter Swindon, Wiltshire, England On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 07:01 AM, G-Books wrote: Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:53:34 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: next generation of laptop construction and design Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of the next generation PowerBooks, it would be really neat if Apple would scrap the trackpads used in the G4's and went back to the configuration used in the Pismo. Having it raised just a tad makes a huge ergonomic difference! Ned -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Problem with a touchscreen is that for the touch capability they usual sacrifice some brightness and sharpness. If they could make one that looked as good as a conventional TFT that would be a good option. Andrew On 6/8/04 7:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/8/2004 1:58:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something along the lines of the IBM eraserhead, only easier to use, retaining the ability to tap but without the huge square of touch-sensitive whatever the hell its made of to be accidentally touched. I'm just dreaming, but as a trackpad-hater and Mac-fan, that's all I can do. What about something like the Fujitsu B-series line of laptops, that use a touchscreen and a clicker where the clicker/trackpad combo usually is? Craig W. Atlanta GA If you go to war you have already lost ---Shogun Tokugawa -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:57 PM, Andrew F. wrote: Actually, as a long-time trackpad-hater and IBM TrackPoint fan, why not just get rid of the trackpad altogether and let Apple inovate something new? The original PB 100 was so cool because unlike the clip-on mice of the competition, it had a wonderful trackball built-in. The 500-series were cool because they introduced the touchpad (woe be to us), and now, a decade later, we have, the same, ergonomically dismal trackpad. Something along the lines of the IBM eraserhead, only easier to use, retaining the ability to tap but without the huge square of touch-sensitive whatever the hell its made of to be accidentally touched. I'm just dreaming, but as a trackpad-hater and Mac-fan, that's all I can do. Oh lordy *ANYTHING* but that damned eraserhead. I *hate* those things. They are a foul and demonic device perpetrated by the Dark Masters at IBM upon the unknowing world Which just goes to show, you can't please all of the folks all of the time...I like trackpads, particularly Apple's, much better than any other pointing device I've ever used, barring my beloved Kensington Trackballs and a hanging a big ol' cue-ball sized trackball off the side of a 12 laptop would make it seem rather odd ;-) But some folks have the wrong body chemistry to use them...I've run into several people who have all sorts of problems with them. I've seen a host of different attempts at 'fixing' the problems of integrating a pointing device into a laptop, and I'll admit, trackpads and those eraserheads seem to be the only ones with signs of staying. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Let's take it back old-school and put trackballs back on them! :) Seriously, am I the only one who liked/likes using the 1xx series with the trackballs? -Chris On Jun 8, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Oh lordy *ANYTHING* but that damned eraserhead. I *hate* those things. They are a foul and demonic device perpetrated by the Dark Masters at IBM upon the unknowing world Which just goes to show, you can't please all of the folks all of the time...I like trackpads, particularly Apple's, much better than any other pointing device I've ever used, barring my beloved Kensington Trackballs and a hanging a big ol' cue-ball sized trackball off the side of a 12 laptop would make it seem rather odd ;-) But some folks have the wrong body chemistry to use them...I've run into several people who have all sorts of problems with them. I've seen a host of different attempts at 'fixing' the problems of integrating a pointing device into a laptop, and I'll admit, trackpads and those eraserheads seem to be the only ones with signs of staying. -- Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On 08/06/04 12:30, Christopher Kolp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's take it back old-school and put trackballs back on them! :) Seriously, am I the only one who liked/likes using the 1xx series with the trackballs? I much prefer trackpads... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Susan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: the excellent keyboard (of the G3 series) Excuse me, but I think the keyboard of the Powerbook Titanium is the best so far. I write about twice as fast and make fewer errors. I have more erroneous trackpad twinches, but maybe I havwe to adjust. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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.. Original Message ... On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:49:13 +0100 Susan Platter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole ergonomics of the G3 Series is (are?) superior to later models. fyi (since you sorta asked) ... ergonomics is plural so are would be proper. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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No, you aren't. Despite all of the advances, I still consider my old 145B to be about the best writing machine I've ever used. I miss it so much I've actually toyed with the idea of getting another one. Andrew On 6/8/04 9:30 AM, Christopher Kolp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's take it back old-school and put trackballs back on them! :) Seriously, am I the only one who liked/likes using the 1xx series with the trackballs? -Chris On Jun 8, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Oh lordy *ANYTHING* but that damned eraserhead. I *hate* those things. They are a foul and demonic device perpetrated by the Dark Masters at IBM upon the unknowing world Which just goes to show, you can't please all of the folks all of the time...I like trackpads, particularly Apple's, much better than any other pointing device I've ever used, barring my beloved Kensington Trackballs and a hanging a big ol' cue-ball sized trackball off the side of a 12 laptop would make it seem rather odd ;-) But some folks have the wrong body chemistry to use them...I've run into several people who have all sorts of problems with them. I've seen a host of different attempts at 'fixing' the problems of integrating a pointing device into a laptop, and I'll admit, trackpads and those eraserheads seem to be the only ones with signs of staying. -- Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Titanium or aluminum? The aluminum keyboard is fabulous, but the one on the titanium feels mushy to me, much like an iBook keyboard. Andrew On 6/8/04 3:14 AM, Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: the excellent keyboard (of the G3 series) Excuse me, but I think the keyboard of the Powerbook Titanium is the best so far. I write about twice as fast and make fewer errors. I have more erroneous trackpad twinches, but maybe I havwe to adjust. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Christopher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Seriously, am I the only one who liked/likes using the 1xx series with the trackballs? Yes, I'd say so. Maybe if it was possible to have a large ball. But how? A trackball with no moving parts? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Tuesday 08 June 2004 11:32 am, Mikael Byström wrote: Christopher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Seriously, am I the only one who liked/likes using the 1xx series with the trackballs? Yes, I'd say so. Maybe if it was possible to have a large ball. But how? A trackball with no moving parts? Apple should have Logitech build a trackball using their Marble optical circuitry. I use Marble Mouse almost exclusively in my computer lab, except for those machines too old to use them. The only moving part in a Marble drive is the ball itself. Its position is read optically. Very nice. -- Michelle Klein-Hass Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 Brought to you by Linux, KDE and KMail...try it, you'll like it! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: next generation of laptop construction and design
Hehehe, I did indeed - so, thanks! :) I was not sure whether I was thinking of it as an academic subject, or describing peculiarities! I am becoming more accustomed to the keyboard of the iBook (500MHz version) and find it best to type on while sitting in an armchair, feet on a stool, laptop on lap! Susan Platter Swindon, Wiltshire, England On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 08:01 PM, G-Books wrote: Subject: Re: next generation of laptop construction and design Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: TjL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:09 -0400 .. Original Message ... On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:49:13 +0100 Susan Platter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole ergonomics of the G3 Series is (are?) superior to later models. fyi (since you sorta asked) ... ergonomics is plural so are would be proper. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Heh, I agree with you. I have an old PB180 that I still occasionally use. I like the feel of the TiBook keyboard over the iBook (I have a 900mHz G3) and previous G3 Powerbooks. I had a rev. B 12 PBG4 that felt OK, but not a significant improvement from the Ti (IMHO). I also find that I make far more typos on the iBook than I did on the Ti, so I'm switching back to a Ti as my daily driver for a while. -Hal On Jun 8, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Andrew F. wrote: No, you aren't. Despite all of the advances, I still consider my old 145B to be about the best writing machine I've ever used. I miss it so much I've actually toyed with the idea of getting another one. Andrew -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: next generation of laptop construction and design
On Jun 6, 2004, at 3:42 PM, Donald Keenan wrote: Does anyone suspect that Apple will settle with light metal, specifically aluminum, from now on? Is there likely to be a new industrial plastic or composite of some sort that will be more durable and damage resistant?-- No more than they've settled now...the iBooks are built of a different material. IMO the Aluminum 'books look really nice new, really nice old, and kinda crappy inbetween ;-) Once they're scratched up to get kind of a matte finish all over, they're not bad looking, but they look kinda beat up when there are enough scratches to show, but not enough to blend. I have no doubt that Apple will change their laptop designs in a year or so...to what is a closely guarded secret, I'll bet. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: next generation of laptop construction and design
On 6/6/04 6:42 PM, Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at my Pismo, I now find the Titanium PowerBook vintage appeal starting to call me. These were troublesome in that they were easily banged up, scratched, etc. Is the aluminum as vulnerable. Since the 17 and 12 aluminum models have been out for about a year now, we'd be hearing about the design flaws already, I think. The aluminum surface can be scratched. I've seen a few with small scratches but not like the prevalence of titanium paint flaking. The aluminum model is not prone to dents and dings like titaniums. Does anyone suspect that Apple will settle with light metal, specifically aluminum, from now on? Is there likely to be a new industrial plastic or composite of some sort that will be more durable and damage resistant? Industrial design is important to Apple under the leadership of Jobs and as long as that remains the case, I think we can safely assume the Macintosh package will be refreshed every couple of years. In other words, we probably have another year of silver aluminum. After that? We can only hope the titanium model taught Apple an important lesson. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: next generation of laptop construction and design
On Monday, June 7, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: IMO the Aluminum 'books look really nice new, really nice old, and kinda crappy inbetween ;-) Once they're scratched up to get kind of a matte finish all over, they're not bad looking, but they look kinda beat up when there are enough scratches to show, but not enough to blend. I've not had the pleasure to work with an aluminum PB, but what you say about the finish fascinates me. You mean, like copper, the aluminum surface might actually improve with age? This matte akin to a copper patina? I find it strange that the choice for a titanium surface required a layer of paint. They did look elegant, though. The choice of material has to take into account conductivity and Airport connectivity, no? I suspect a new, unscratched Titanium book will be a center piece of a vintage collection someday, given its vulnerabilities. Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: next generation of laptop construction and design
On 07/06/2004, at 8:42 AM, Donald Keenan wrote: Hi! I've got a very genereal question and I'd be very interested if anyone has any thoughts about it. Looking at my Pismo, I now find the Titanium PowerBook vintage appeal starting to call me. These were troublesome in that they were easily banged up, scratched, etc. Is the aluminum as vulnerable. While I have no experience of machines I've owned, the problems with TiBooks seemed related to the titanium showing through paint chips, and the plastic (carbon fibre?) around the edge of the inside also showing through damaged paint. No matter how badly scratched an AlBook gets, at least the scratches are relatively the same colour :). Does anyone suspect that Apple will settle with light metal, specifically aluminum, from now on? Is there likely to be a new industrial plastic or composite of some sort that will be more durable and damage resistant? With apple being as image oriented as they are I think the metallic look will persist for a while yet. One more thing to differentiate them from 'plain' old iBooks for most people (although for me, the pure white glossy G3 iBooks were about the loveliest looking laptops I've ever seen) dana -- http://www.danamania.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: next generation of laptop construction and design
Hi I agree the White iBook was nice ... but not for the PowerBooks; I reckon a return to black would be nice ... maybe with some chrome highlights ... but it could be my motorbike days are messing with Pismo on my brain ... I'm unsure whether a glossy black or a matt black would be the go ... maybe some sort of fluorescent black ... but perhaps some sort of black that means business ... Harry. P.S. Any (preferably Oz-based) subscribers know if the Pismo backup battery is easy to obtain from a non-Apple source. I guess it is easy enough to install. My local AppleCentre (http://www.mac1.com.au/index.shtml) rang me today to say that the exchange Pismo main battery has arrived (A$230 with return of original battery). They quoted A$50-70 for the backup battery ... I wonder if it is cheaper elsewhere. (I'm having intermittent booting problems of my Pismo and I want to see if fresh batteries will remove that factor from the possible causes. Otherwise it'll be time to use my AppleCare and pray ...) On 07/06/2004, at 1:46 PM, Dana Sibera wrote: On 07/06/2004, at 8:42 AM, Donald Keenan wrote: I've got a very genereal question and I'd be very interested if anyone has any thoughts about it. Looking at my Pismo, I now find the Titanium PowerBook vintage appeal starting to call me. These were troublesome in that they were easily banged up, scratched, etc. Is the aluminum as vulnerable. While I have no experience of machines I've owned, the problems with TiBooks seemed related to the titanium showing through paint chips, and the plastic (carbon fibre?) around the edge of the inside also showing through damaged paint. No matter how badly scratched an AlBook gets, at least the scratches are relatively the same colour :). Does anyone suspect that Apple will settle with light metal, specifically aluminum, from now on? Is there likely to be a new industrial plastic or composite of some sort that will be more durable and damage resistant? With apple being as image oriented as they are I think the metallic look will persist for a while yet. One more thing to differentiate them from 'plain' old iBooks for most people (although for me, the pure white glossy G3 iBooks were about the loveliest looking laptops I've ever seen) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: next generation of laptop construction and design
I rather like the aluminum, so much so that I spent a whole lot more money for my 1GHz 12 when the 800MHz G4 iBook would have equally served my needs. For me, it was just too many nice points on the expensive PB (the keyboard is to die for) and an overall cheapness about the iBook. Oh well, the current 12 1GHz iBook makes the argument for a 12 PB more difficult with its higher RAM ceiling and PB-sized L2 cache, but oh that keyboard and the gorgeous aluminum case. Andrew On 6/7/04 9:12 PM, Hoju Dingo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I agree the White iBook was nice ... but not for the PowerBooks; I reckon a return to black would be nice ... maybe with some chrome highlights ... but it could be my motorbike days are messing with Pismo on my brain ... I'm unsure whether a glossy black or a matt black would be the go ... maybe some sort of fluorescent black ... but perhaps some sort of black that means business ... Harry. P.S. Any (preferably Oz-based) subscribers know if the Pismo backup battery is easy to obtain from a non-Apple source. I guess it is easy enough to install. My local AppleCentre (http://www.mac1.com.au/index.shtml) rang me today to say that the exchange Pismo main battery has arrived (A$230 with return of original battery). They quoted A$50-70 for the backup battery ... I wonder if it is cheaper elsewhere. (I'm having intermittent booting problems of my Pismo and I want to see if fresh batteries will remove that factor from the possible causes. Otherwise it'll be time to use my AppleCare and pray ...) On 07/06/2004, at 1:46 PM, Dana Sibera wrote: On 07/06/2004, at 8:42 AM, Donald Keenan wrote: I've got a very genereal question and I'd be very interested if anyone has any thoughts about it. Looking at my Pismo, I now find the Titanium PowerBook vintage appeal starting to call me. These were troublesome in that they were easily banged up, scratched, etc. Is the aluminum as vulnerable. While I have no experience of machines I've owned, the problems with TiBooks seemed related to the titanium showing through paint chips, and the plastic (carbon fibre?) around the edge of the inside also showing through damaged paint. No matter how badly scratched an AlBook gets, at least the scratches are relatively the same colour :). Does anyone suspect that Apple will settle with light metal, specifically aluminum, from now on? Is there likely to be a new industrial plastic or composite of some sort that will be more durable and damage resistant? With apple being as image oriented as they are I think the metallic look will persist for a while yet. One more thing to differentiate them from 'plain' old iBooks for most people (although for me, the pure white glossy G3 iBooks were about the loveliest looking laptops I've ever seen) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Actually, as a long-time trackpad-hater and IBM TrackPoint fan, why not just get rid of the trackpad altogether and let Apple inovate something new? The original PB 100 was so cool because unlike the clip-on mice of the competition, it had a wonderful trackball built-in. The 500-series were cool because they introduced the touchpad (woe be to us), and now, a decade later, we have, the same, ergonomically dismal trackpad. Something along the lines of the IBM eraserhead, only easier to use, retaining the ability to tap but without the huge square of touch-sensitive whatever the hell its made of to be accidentally touched. I'm just dreaming, but as a trackpad-hater and Mac-fan, that's all I can do. Andrew On 6/7/04 10:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of the next generation PowerBooks, it would be really neat if Apple would scrap the trackpads used in the G4's and went back to the configuration used in the Pismo. Having it raised just a tad makes a huge ergonomic difference! Ned -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
next generation of laptop construction and design
Hi! I've got a very genereal question and I'd be very interested if anyone has any thoughts about it. Looking at my Pismo, I now find the Titanium PowerBook vintage appeal starting to call me. These were troublesome in that they were easily banged up, scratched, etc. Is the aluminum as vulnerable. Does anyone suspect that Apple will settle with light metal, specifically aluminum, from now on? Is there likely to be a new industrial plastic or composite of some sort that will be more durable and damage resistant? Has anyone seen that bright red Toshiba laptop? Thanks, Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
