Re: Dead iBook G4 1.33 GHz, HDD Spins, DVD starts up but stops,

[Mullin9]

On Oct 17, 10:13 pm, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Mullin9 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I Have an iBook G4 /1.33 (2005)
> > When I press the on/off button. the DVD starts up for only 2 seconds,
> > HDD spins up, but no bong, no beeps.
> > the green light, between "F5" and "F6" lights up when I press the on/
> > off button
> > HDD is spinning but the screen remains dark.
>
> > what's wrong?
>
> If it was mine I would start looking for dirty or loose connections.
> especially for the hard drive. I would get out the old toothbrush and
> the contact cleaner or alcohol. I would also inspect wires for damage.
>
> It is possible the HD is just worn out and given up or that it has been 
> dropped.
>
> You might find what the green light means online.
>
> The screen remaining totally dark " may " indicate other serious problems.
>
> How is the mobo battery? Not the main battery but the one for the NVRAM?

Thank you for the advice
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Re: Dead iBook G4 1.33 GHz, HDD Spins, DVD starts up but stops,

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Mullin9 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I Have an iBook G4 /1.33 (2005)
> When I press the on/off button. the DVD starts up for only 2 seconds,
> HDD spins up, but no bong, no beeps.
> the green light, between "F5" and "F6" lights up when I press the on/
> off button
> HDD is spinning but the screen remains dark.
>
> what's wrong?


If it was mine I would start looking for dirty or loose connections.
especially for the hard drive. I would get out the old toothbrush and
the contact cleaner or alcohol. I would also inspect wires for damage.

It is possible the HD is just worn out and given up or that it has been dropped.

You might find what the green light means online.

The screen remaining totally dark " may " indicate other serious problems.

How is the mobo battery? Not the main battery but the one for the NVRAM?

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Dead iBook G4 1.33 GHz, HDD Spins, DVD starts up but stops,

[Mullin9]

I Have an iBook G4 /1.33 (2005)
When I press the on/off button. the DVD starts up for only 2 seconds,
HDD spins up, but no bong, no beeps.
the green light, between "F5" and "F6" lights up when I press the on/
off button
HDD is spinning but the screen remains dark.

what's wrong?


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Re: Where did the Speed Go?

[Charles Davis]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote:

>
> On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I launched Terminal,issued the two commands,copied the results  
>>> to my
>>> monitor screen,
>>
>> ???
>>
>>
>>> but I can't figure out how to attach it to this email.
>>
>> Copy from terminal, paste into email message.
>>
>> Terminal allows full copy/paste
>>  
>   You tell me this works and I believe you, But it doesn't work for  
> me. I can copy from terminal to my screen, but the word "Paste"  
> always remains gray so I can't connect from copy to email.



Even when you have an E-Mail message started in 'Mail' ???
And are on the composition screen for the E-Mail Message. 

Chuck D.
>
>>
>> -- 
>> Bruce Johnson
>> University of Arizona
>> College of Pharmacy
>> Information Technology Group
>>
>> Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Wilton Shaw
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Re: Where did the Speed Go?

[Wilton Shaw]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote:
>
>>
>>  I launched Terminal,issued the two commands,copied the results to my
>> monitor screen,
>
> ???
>
>
>> but I can't figure out how to attach it to this email.
>
> Copy from terminal, paste into email message.
>
> Terminal allows full copy/paste
>   
You tell me this works and I believe you, But it doesn't work for me.  
I can copy from terminal to my screen, but the word "Paste" always  
remains gray so I can't connect from copy to email.
>
> -- 
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
>
> Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
>
>
>
> >

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OT: RAID 0+1 in a Software RAID Environment

[Al Poulin]

I know a few of you may have fun weighing in on an interesting  
proposal and a few implied questions.  My son sent this to me, asking  
for a relay to folks who can help.  My Apple Mail was initially set to  
Helvetica font, so I first copied his message to TextEdit to view the  
graphic in Courier.

Here it is:

QUOTE
[!!! View this message with COURIER font to display images  
appropriately!!!]

Dad --

   I am going to be doing more research on the matter of using the  
Disk Utility's software RAID 0 and 1 in a Mac Pro environment, but  
wanted to get your opinions on the matter.  I am mostly worried about  
disk performance in a software RAID environment, especially when  
mirroring is active.  Below is a graphical and textual interpretation  
of what I intend to do.

   In short, the goal of this setup is to stripe the boot and the home  
partitions, yet provide a non-striped disk partition to which they  
mirror for backup.  As such, the goal is to obtain all the benefits of  
stripped access speeds, yet provide a level of fallback if the  
stripped disks were to fail.  For /home, I would take two 512GB  
partitions on separate disks for a stripe, then utilize the entirety  
of a 1TB disk for the mirror.

   In Solaris there were ways to not execute the mirror updates  
immediately, but rather on the hour, or once every midnight or so --  
thus providing the mirror to be close to the original as good enough  
for backups and solutions sake, yet not interfering with the speed  
boost of a stripped array.  NeXTSTEP had this too if I remember  
right.   If I could locate that in the MacOS environment, it'd be the  
direction I'd go in.

   The final option I may look at is to see if there are hardware RAID  
cards for the Mac Pro which do not require re-ribboning the backplane  
for access to the SATA drives; that could provide two-channel striping/ 
mirroring of the same environment -- or better, a RAID-5 across 3  
disks for /home, a non-RAID boot disk, and a non-RAID Vista partition.

   Let me know if you have any thoughts; or feel free to pass this  
thought thread around to others for feedback.

+===+  +===+  +===+  +===+
| A1|  | B1|  | C1|  | D1|
|  /root|  |  /root|  |   |  |   |
| 256G R0+1 |  | 256G R0+1 |  |   |  |   |
|   |  |   |  |   |  |   |
+===+  +===+  |  /root|  |   |
| A2|  | B2|  | 512G R1   |  |   |
|   |  |   |  |   |  |   |
|  MISC R0  |  |  MISC R0  |  |   |  |   |
|   |  |   |  |   |  | /home |
+===+  +===+  +===+  |  1TB R1   |
| A3|  | B3|  | C2|  |   |
|   |  |   |  |   |  |   |
|   |  |   |  |   |  |   |
|   |  |   |  |  Windows  |  |   |
|  /home|  |   /home   |  |   Vista   |  |   |
| 512G R0+1 |  | 512G R0+1 |  |   |  |   |
|   |  |   |  |   |  |   |
|   |  |   |  |   |  |   |
+===+  +===+  +===+  +===+

/root
mirror (stripe[A1 (256GB slice) + B1 (256GB slice)] + C1 (512GB slice))
/home
mirror (stripe[A3 (512GB slice) + B3 (512GB slice)] + D1 (1TB slice))
Scratch
stripe[A2 (256GB slice) + B2 (256GB slice)]
Bootcamp Vista
Partition[C2]

UNQUOTE

Thank you for any comments.

Al Poulin





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Re: IGNORE iSub and PMG5... will it work?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>
>>
>> Found out that the isub won't work with leopard anyway wonder if
>> there's another USB sub that will? hmm... Jeff
>>
>
> Any reason you're intent on a USB subwoofer? why not just get a cheapo
> three speaker system with a subwoofer:
>
>  lists a bunch as cheap as $30.
>
>

Bruce, I currently have a set of AudioEngine A2's connected to my G5  
(at $200 for set of 2)...  all I need/want is a subwoofer.. preferably  
a nice one. Hope that answered your question. Jeff 

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Re: IGNORE iSub and PMG5... will it work?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

>
> Found out that the isub won't work with leopard anyway wonder if
> there's another USB sub that will? hmm... Jeff
>

Any reason you're intent on a USB subwoofer? why not just get a cheapo  
three speaker system with a subwoofer:

 lists a bunch as cheap as $30.


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Re: Where did the Speed Go?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote:

>
>   I launched Terminal,issued the two commands,copied the results to my
> monitor screen,

???


> but I can't figure out how to attach it to this email.

Copy from terminal, paste into email message.

Terminal allows full copy/paste

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Re: Confusion about the different update files from Apple (including Java)

[Al Poulin]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 4:19 AM, g3-5-list group wrote:
>
> == 2 of 5 ==
> Date: Thurs, Oct 16 2008 8:56 pm
> From: Kris Tilford
>
> This is all correct I believe, except the OS X update statement "you
> can take your pick when you download, depending on how much updating
> you want to do." If you've been updating incrementally, the next
> increment, and the next Combo should get you to exactly the same
> place, so they'll both update you identically if you were currently  
> up-
> to-date beforehand. The need for the Combo (cumulative) update is for
> skipping one or all previous increments and going directly to the
> latest version without having to do each incremental update. Since
> Apple offers all increments and Combo updates continuously, you could
> "take your pick" by choosing to stop short of the current version, but
> if you're only updating a single increment, using the Combo would be a
> waste of time, although I always keep a copy of the latest Combo
> Up

I have read in these lists that a few users have had problems using  
incremental updates and have resolved them by using the Combo.  So, If  
i have neglected to update incrementally, say for two or three  
versions, I'll always use the Combo.

Al Poulin

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Re: Where did the Speed Go?

[Wilton Shaw]

On Oct 12, 2008, at 12:18 AM, Dan wrote:

>
>
>
> Launch Terminal.app and issue these two commands, then copy the full
> results and paste 'em into a reply here:
>
>   dig www.google.com
>
>   traceroute www.google.com

>
>   Dan,

I launched Terminal,issued the two commands,copied the results to my  
monitor screen, but I can't figure out how to attach it to this email.
>
> HTH,
> - Dan.
> -- 
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>
> >

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IGNORE iSub and PMG5... will it work?

[Jeffrey Engle]

Found out that the isub won't work with leopard anyway wonder if  
there's another USB sub that will? hmm... Jeff

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iSub and PMG5... will it work?

[Jeffrey Engle]

I hungry for a bit more bass and wonder if an iSub would/will work?  
adapter? and if so, how will it work/hook up with my current powered  
sound system? Jeff

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Re: Sawtooth Original AGP Card Number

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 4:02 AM, Simon Royal wrote:

>
> Kris
>
> I found a PCI version of the 7000, will this be ok? does it support  
> QE and
> CI?
>

No*/No.

QE can be enabled via a hack, but the marginal speed up over the  
relatively poky PCI bus was not worth the increased crashiness.

That card doesn't even come within the same city, let alone ball park  
of CI-supported cards. CI will be software-only.


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Re: Confusion about the different update files from Apple (including Java)

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> I don't think that Apple should abandon Panther users so quickly.
> While 8.75+ years may be slightly excessive time to support an OS,
> roughly 3 years is too short I think?

Sadly, it's not likely. You remember how big a change 10.1 to 10.2  
was, right? They essentially rewrote OS X almost from scratch.

10.3 to 10.4 was a change on that scale, just under the hood where you  
don't see it.

A HUGE number of the underlying OS and GUI libs were rewritten and re- 
arranged between 10.3 and 10.4. They might as well be two distantly  
related OSes from a programming point of view.

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Re: Confusion about the different update files from Apple (including Java)

[Dan]

At 2:10 AM -0500 10/17/2008, Kris Tilford wrote:
>This gets complicated, since these should be identical versions, but 
>differently compiled for Tiger and Leopard.

yes.

Big disparity growing T vs L... Much of the issue is within Xcode 
(Apple's development package).  In addition to big framework 
differences, There are some bugs in Xcode that require workarounds - 
and developers are loathe to retrofit things.

>I assume this means the Panther users get left behind?

Probably.

>Conversely, the latest Java update for Windows, v.1.6 release 10 
>(notice our Macs are one major release and ten incremental releases 
>behind Windows) still supports Windows 2000 which was released 
>February 17, 2000 over five full years before Panther, and 8.75 
>years ago.

Yup.  In this particular case, *Apple* has marginalized us.  This is 
becoming typical of Apple-released updates.  They're getting farther 
and farther behind the curve.  IMO, it's totally unacceptable.  99% 
of the development and debugging work is being done by the open 
source community.  For Apple to lag us so badly on so many 
products... just  disgusting.  I fear this is a sign of things to 
come.  And it will be a serious liability when the virus market for 
OS X heats up.

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Re: Where did the Speed go -Part two

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since I can't add speed to my computer even though I've recently
> eliminated lots of programs I don't use and followed other suggestions
> you have sent me, could I do this?
> Buy a new external HD, start with my installation OS  CD and slowly
> add programs until I find one that slows my program down?

Programs sitting on your computer cannot slow things down, only  
running them, so deleting programs you don't use will not help speed  
things up, unless they were running at the time.

Computers run slowly for only a handful of reasons:

They're starved for memory, for disk space, for network bandwidth, or  
CPU. SOMETHING is making them wait. When the wait is long enough, OS X  
pops up the SPOD to let you know.

Lets start by completely identifying the problem:

when you mean 'slow' do you mean performing a certain task or general  
unresponsiveness? Faster first thing after restarting or just slow all  
the time?

Is it a specific program that you're noticing the problem with? (Note:  
this is often not the culprit, merely the sentinel case. I've been  
told by people "I have a Word problem, my computer is really slow when  
I use it." Go to their desk, and they use Word 99.9% of the time.  
Problem is the OS, it's just that they notice it using Word. )

If you use a variety of programs, and the problem mainly manifest  
itself using one program or a class of programs (Video editors,  
internet applications, etc) this can identify issues that may be the  
culprit: If all your internet apps are sluggish, that would indicate  
networking issues as a likely culprit.

How many applications do you normally keep running at a time? (Note:  
under OSX this is much less of a problem, unless you're very low on  
disk space)

What has changed since it was fast? (Note: if your answer is 'nothing  
since I upgraded to a faster computer', consider that the slowness may  
be, in part, psychological...the computer doesn't seem as fast because  
you've gotten used to it, as opposed to when you first got it...it has  
happened to me I went from an 800 MhZ G4 to a 2.1Ghz intel iMac..this  
thing was mind-bogglingly fast, 'teh snappy' leaking all out and onto  
the floor it was so fast. Now a year and a half later? It's the iMac.  
I spend time drumming my fingers waiting for it to do stuff sometimes.  
The computer is just as fast as it was before, it's just that I've  
grown accustomed to it's power and now do stuff I couldn't think of  
before, like running two VM's at a time. ;-)

Places to look for problems (this will likely include advice you've  
already been given):

Activity monitor: select All processes in the Activity window, and  
sort by CPU and Memory. Note particular hogs of either. (if your  
computer isn't doing much, Activity Monitor will likely go on up to  
the top)

CPU% utilization over %30-%40 is big-time CPU hogging. If the  
application is working normally (FCP, iMovie or the like) the solution  
is pretty much 'Get a faster computer'...your computer is working as  
hard as it can, it can't go any faster.

Memory usage. Look at the Free Memory slice in the memory usage pane.  
If it's very small, things will start slowing down, particularly if  
you have numerous applications running (not just open, but actively  
doing things) at the same time. Solution: stop doing so many things at  
once, restart the big memory users to see if it's a memory leak  
(notorious with Safari and flash, in particular) or get more memory.

Start the console applications, watch the error messages. If a certain  
application or system interface is spewing error messages while it's  
being slow, that could point to a broken application, or hardware issue.

I had a B&W that was plugged into an Apple ADC display with a failing  
USB hub. The system would slow donw and come to a halt, it seemed,  
although the mouse would still track. After 20-30 seconds, the system  
would 'catch up' to anything down during the slowdown. When this was  
happening, the system log was being flooded with USB port errors.

Start in safe mode, particularly in 10.4 or 10.5, this clears a lot of  
gunk out in the form of font and system caches.

Scour your fonts for damaged or corrupted ones, using FontBook.

Use Onyx Macjanitor or a similar app to purge the logs.

Create a new test user. Log on as this user and use the system for a  
while. If you experience the same issues, it's a systemic problem,  
possibly a corrupted system install, an incipient hardware failure or  
a simple case of "computer just ain't up to the task".

If the problems go away, then the issues is something associated with  
your usual login account: a startup item, local fonts, program caches,  
preferences something like that.

If ll else fails, a complete system rebuild like yours may actually be  
necessary, sometimes gremlins can get in and just wreak havok on the  
system...but this is WAAAY less likely

Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5

[RediG3-5]

On Oct 16, 8:36 pm, Kris Tilford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wait. If you have the Arrangement tab, and you "arrange" the two
> Desktops, then if you can drag the cursor from one Desktop to the
> other, you've got "spanning" enabled. Normally you'd only get
> "mirroring", meaning both monitors are identical, external "mirrors"
> the onboard LCD. It sounds like you have a hybrid, you've got
> spanning, but somehow the resolution of the two Desktops are mirrored
> instead of independent as they should be.

As is always too frequently, this is a constant revelation of my
ignorance and inability to follow directions.
Thanks to your prompting Kris I finally figured out how to "drag the
menu bar from one screen to the other".
That did it.
Then the Dock disappeared but eventually I found it simply had to be
magnified more.

So as always, I appreciate the patient persistence of my friends on
this list.

thank you
Cliff

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Re: Sawtooth Original AGP Card Number

[Kris Tilford]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:02 AM, Simon Royal wrote:

> I found a PCI version of the 7000, will this be ok? does it support  
> QE and CI?

I would support QE using PCI Extreme 3.1 but this PCI card isn't a  
good idea. PCI is HALF as fast as AGPx1, and I think your Sawtooth is  
an AGPx2 slot, so that would make the PCI 7000 about 1/4 the speed of  
the AGP version.

Neither supports Core Image or Core Animation, only the 9800 Pro and  
GeForce 6200 will.


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Re: Where did the Speed Go?

[insightinmind]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:29 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 11:39 PM -0400 10/16/2008, insightinmind wrote:
>> inhouse-9500:~ billconnelly$ dig www.google.com
>>
>> ;; Query time: 61 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
>> ;; WHEN: Thu Oct 16 23:36:20 2008
>
> A 61ms dns response is a bit slow.
>
> Try this command:
>
>dig @4.2.2.1 www.google.com
>
> If the time it reports is a lot lower, then add 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2
> to your domain name server address list, in the Network system
> preferences.
>
>> inhouse-9500:~ billconnelly$ traceroute www.speakeasy.net
>> traceroute to www.speakeasy.net (69.17.117.156), 64 hops max, 40 byte
>> packets
>>   1  dslrouter (192.168.1.1)  2.136 ms  0.702 ms  0.610 ms
>>   2  * *
>
> You need to let that run longer.  There should be a dozen or so lines
> there.  Um, try tracing to phl.speakeasy.net instead.

Apologies ... proper results below ...

>
> You're in the Lynchburg VA region?


Yes ...

Last login: Fri Oct 17 06:55:46 on console
Welcome to Darwin!
inhouse-9500:~ billconnelly$ dig @4.2.2.1 www.google.com

; <<>> DiG 9.3.5-P2 <<>> @4.2.2.1 www.google.com
; (1 server found)
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 23910
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.google.com.IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.google.com. 10843   IN  CNAME   www.l.google.com.
www.l.google.com.   146 IN  A   209.85.173.147
www.l.google.com.   146 IN  A   209.85.173.99
www.l.google.com.   146 IN  A   209.85.173.103
www.l.google.com.   146 IN  A   209.85.173.104

;; Query time: 159 msec
;; SERVER: 4.2.2.1#53(4.2.2.1)
;; WHEN: Fri Oct 17 07:00:54 2008
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 116

inhouse-9500:~ billconnelly$ traceroute phl.speakeasy.net
traceroute to phl.speakeasy.net (66.92.224.2), 64 hops max, 40 byte  
packets
  1  dslrouter (192.168.1.1)  3.818 ms  3.317 ms  2.936 ms
  2  * * *
  3  * * *
  4  * * *
  5  * * *
  6  * * *
  7  * * *
  8  * * *
  9  * * *
10  * * *
11  * * *
12  phl.speakeasy.net (66.92.224.2)  70.848 ms  41.584 ms  47.640 ms
inhouse-9500:~ billconnelly$

After which www.speakeasy.net/speedtest reports 736/133.

Bill Connelly
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Re: Sawtooth Original AGP Card Number

[Simon Royal]

Kris

I found a PCI version of the 7000, will this be ok? does it support QE and 
CI?

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On Oct 17 2008, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Oct 17, 2008, at 4:46 AM, Simon Royal wrote:

> I have a Sawtooth G4, but someone has put a PCI ATI card in it. I am
> looking to change it for an AGP card, does anyone know the Apple part
> number of the actual card that came with it.

You don't want the OEM card. It's a Rage, very poorly supported in OS  
X, with no QE or CE support. You want at least a Radeon 7000 at  
minimum to get Quartz Extreme enabled (the 7000 costs about the same  
as a Rage). Perhaps a Radeon 9800 Pro or GeForce 6200 if you're going  
to continue with Leopard (these are the only two cards for the  
Sawtooth that support Core Image and Core Video).

Here's an article that says the 9800 Pro will work unmodified with the  
Sawtooth, which is good, normally they require a piece of foil or  
solder to work with this era Mac. The second article is about  
upgrading the Sawtooth.








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Re: Sawtooth Original AGP Card Number

[Kris Tilford]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 4:46 AM, Simon Royal wrote:

> I have a Sawtooth G4, but someone has put a PCI ATI card in it. I am
> looking to change it for an AGP card, does anyone know the Apple part
> number of the actual card that came with it.

You don't want the OEM card. It's a Rage, very poorly supported in OS  
X, with no QE or CE support. You want at least a Radeon 7000 at  
minimum to get Quartz Extreme enabled (the 7000 costs about the same  
as a Rage). Perhaps a Radeon 9800 Pro or GeForce 6200 if you're going  
to continue with Leopard (these are the only two cards for the  
Sawtooth that support Core Image and Core Video).

Here's an article that says the 9800 Pro will work unmodified with the  
Sawtooth, which is good, normally they require a piece of foil or  
solder to work with this era Mac. The second article is about  
upgrading the Sawtooth.




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Sawtooth Original AGP Card Number

[Simon Royal]

Hi

I have a Sawtooth G4, but someone has put a PCI ATI card in it. I am 
looking to change it for an AGP card, does anyone know the Apple part 
number of the actual card that came with it.

I have found two so far but not sure which one it is:

Apple 630-2906, Apple 630-2992

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Re: Leopard On Sawtooth 400mhz

[Simon Royal]

Kris

My Sawtooth is an AGP graphics model, but it has a 16MB PCI card in it (I 
bought it like this), I think it is from a B&W G3.

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On Oct 17 2008, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Simon Royal wrote:

> It ran a lot better on the PowerMac than on the PowerBook.

The TiBook doesn't have Quartz Extreme enabled, while the Sawtooth  
should if it has a Radeon card? Did you try enabling QE on the TiBook  
using PCI Extreme 3.1? It should work for the 8MB AGP Radeon Mobility  
in a TiBook. Perhaps this would help bring the speed up some to better  
match the Sawtooth?

Also, perhaps the HD performance is much different? If the TiBook has  
an OEM 4,200 rpm HD and the PowerMac has a 7,200 rpm HD that could be  
twice as fast access to swap, etc.






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Re: Leopard On Sawtooth 400mhz

[Kris Tilford]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:19 AM, Simon Royal wrote:

> My Sawtooth is an AGP graphics model, but it has a 16MB PCI card in  
> it (I
> bought it like this), I think it is from a B&W G3.

You need a Radeon card to enable Quartz Extreme. (or equivalent  
nVidia). It should enable itself without need of any additional  
software. You should run XBench on these, and then enable Quartz  
Extreme and see if your XBench scores increase. In Leopard, Core  
Graphics is also nice, but on a 400MHz G4 it'd still be really slow,  
but at least you could see those amazing Core Graphics effects, albeit  
in semi-slow motion. I'm not sure what the minimum Core Graphics  
supported video card is, but it probably costs as much as your whole  
Sawtooth, or close to it?


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Re: Leopard On Sawtooth 400mhz

[Simon Royal]

Paul

I am dual booting 10.4 and 10.5.

10.4 runs like a dream, 10.5 is a little sluggish but that is to be 
expected.

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On Oct 17 2008, Paul wrote:


Is the 400 MHz Gigabit Ethernet G4 actually a Sawtooth?

Were you running 10..4 previously? How did that run? That might be the 
optimum OS X for that machine. 




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Re: Leopard On Sawtooth 400mhz

[Simon Royal]

Dan

It should run lovely on a 500DP.

With regards to RAM, I know my Intel iMac leapt when I added more RAM. 
Leopard is a RAM hungry OS.

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On Oct 17 2008, Dan wrote:


At 1:17 AM +0100 10/17/2008, Simon Royal wrote:
>Curiousity got the better of me tonight and I went and installed 
>Leopard on a 400mhz G4 with 640MB of RAM. I did it before with a 
>PowerBook G4 400mhz Titanium with 1GB of RAM. It ran ok, but even 
>Finder was sluggish and Cover Flow was painful.  I did it before by 
>modifying the Leopard installer files to remove the requirements. 
>This time I used LeopardAssist and it works very well and is simple. 
>It ran a lot better on the PowerMac than on the PowerBook. Finder 
>was snappy and responsive, even Cover Flow worked fine.

Nice!  I recently got a PM G4 500DP.  Been contemplating putting 
Leopard on it.  I think now I shall do!  :)

>It only has 640MB of RAM, upping it would help a lot.

Do you know that for sure?  Have you observed in Activity Monitor 
that your free and inactive pools are very tiny (*both* being less 
than 10MB), and that the paging rates are going nutz?

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Re: SATA On PowerMac G4

[Kris Tilford]

On Oct 16, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Simon Royal wrote:

> My Intel iMac came with a set of grey discs. According to the  
> documentation if you hold the Option key while in an internal or  
> Apple specified external firewire drive it will show two boot  
> options from the one disc.
>
> On non Apple firewire drives and USB drive it will show only the  
> installer boot and not the AHT boot.
>
> I found this to be true.

I think this is something wrong with your setup, after all, it's got  
(had) a multitude of other issues, but I'll drag out an external HD  
and try to boot one of my discs and report back later.

I noticed that Apple released an update today that might have  
relevance to this issue. It is called "Apple Migration and DVD/CD  
Sharing Update - 1.0" and one aspect of it is DVD/CD Sharing. This was  
created for the MacBook Air which comes without an optical drive. The  
idea is to be able to share the optical drive on another Mac. If this  
includes booting, which I think it must, and if it will work on other  
Mac models (unknown to me, but even if not, a patch should be simple),  
then this would be an alternate method to boot a Mac with a broken  
optical drive.

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Re: Confusion about the different update files from Apple (including Java)

[Kris Tilford]

On Oct 17, 2008, at 1:17 AM, Dan wrote:

> The latest Java for Mac OS X 10.4 is release 7.
>
> The actual build is:
>  Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_16- 
> b06-275)
>   Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_16-132, mixed mode)

And for Leopard it's:

"Java For Mac OS X 10.5 Update 2" (1.0)
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_16- 
b06-284)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_16-133, mixed mode, sharing)

This gets complicated, since these should be identical versions, but  
differently compiled for Tiger and Leopard. I assume this means the  
Panther users get left behind? MacTracker says Tiger 10.4 was released  
April 29, 2005, so that means Apple is dropping Panther support at  
less than 3.5 years, and even sooner for Safari.

Conversely, the latest Java update for Windows, v.1.6 release 10  
(notice our Macs are one major release and ten incremental releases  
behind Windows) still supports Windows 2000 which was released  
February 17, 2000 over five full years before Panther, and 8.75 years  
ago.

I don't think that Apple should abandon Panther users so quickly.  
While 8.75+ years may be slightly excessive time to support an OS,  
roughly 3 years is too short I think?

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