Re: 10.5.6 Desktop Icons can't be moved
I had a similar issue with my Intel iMac. A autoclean with AppleJack fixed the problem. The only drawback to AppleJack is that you have to run it in single user mode (hold down cmd-s after the startup chime.) See here for more info: http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ HTH, Eric On Feb 21, 2009, at 10:57 PM, hillhippy wrote: This weekend I decided that OS10.5 was old enough to try installing it on my PM 2.7 G5. Expecting that things could go wrong I kept the drive with OS10.4.11, and formatted a drive for 10.5.install Ran the installer and it consistantly failed if I tried to use the feature in the configuration assistant that copies your settings and files from a different drive. Feeling kinda smart I reformated the drive and just installed the OS, then used the migration assistant in the utilities folder to move my files and accounts, then ran software update to get everything current. This all seemed to work, but now I can't move any of the icons on the desktop, they are frozen in place. I have used get info to check the icons and they are not locked, I have rights to the icons, I Zaped PRAM, I can left click and put the icon in the trash. I thought this might be related to the migration assistant, but the icons are are frozen in both a new account created during the install and accounts that I migrated. Tried any Apple mouse in place of my Kensington with no change I Googled this issue and what I found was problems where icons and files wrer frozen and could not be opened or deleted, both of which I can do. I'm stumped, but glad I can still startup in 10.4.11. As always any help would be appreciated. Leo Hoyt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
transferring a hard disk
Dear List Members: I have a Beige G3 and a Blue and White G3. I want to install the Beige's hard drive into the Blue and White, but the Blue and White will not mount the Beige drive. I suspect that there are some driver issues involved, but do not know how to remedy the situation. I want to make this switch so that I can retain all of the settings that I have been using and not have to re-install any software. Both computers are running OSX (10.4.11). Any ideas? Is there a way to get all of the Beige's data and user information onto the Blue and White's hard drive? Then I could boot from the Blue and White. Thanks, BassMan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Install glitch with Fedora
OS x can't read the linux file system straight off. I think you must start up with the Fedora cd. Do not use the alt/ option key, but rather use the Fedora disk as you would an OS x install disk. Put the linux disk in the drive, restart your computer, and press the c key so your mac will start up from the optical drive. Then you can proceed with the linux install in the free-space you hopefully left on your hard disk. jfMac On Feb 20, 8:17 am, tony greens...@care4free.net wrote: I have a G4 'Mystic', dual processor 450Mhz with 1G ram, have partitioned the HDrive and installed Tiger and Os 9.2 with no problems. But when I insert a Fedora 9 dvd and restart with alt, showing the three icons (tiger, os 9 and fedora), and choose fedora, the machine looks at the disc and then shows it as corrupted, and won't boot it. I think this is a glitch, as I have now tried three install discs from recognised linux sellers, the latest fedora 10 which has apparently no problems. All are ppc versions. Any ideas? Thanks, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 2 OS Xs - Tiger Leopard; but, Only 1 Fully Utilizing the PCI Cards Installed
On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:47 PM, insightinmind wrote: So far, after a required Manual Uninstall of Drivers (another indication M-Audio folks aren't up to par with Leopard), it seems to be running kp-blue-screen-free. The Tiger installation seems the same kp-blue-screen-free. I am back to running my AGP ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition as well. Comments welcomed. Well, you've solved the problem for the moment...sub-optimal to be sure. Here's hoping M-Audio's programmers can fix their drivers for 10.5. When I was looking something else up yesterday I did come across a mention that the audio system drivers did change between 10.4 and 10.5. They'll probably fix them 3 months after 10.6 is out :-) -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: transferring a hard disk
On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:02 AM, lde...@comcast.net wrote: Dear List Members: I have a Beige G3 and a Blue and White G3. I want to install the Beige's hard drive into the Blue and White, but the Blue and White will not mount the Beige drive. I suspect that there are some driver issues involved, but do not know how to remedy the situation. So long as the Beige G3 drive is an IDE not a SCSI drive, the two should swap without issues. Does another drive work in the BW? Have you checked master/slave settings? Is it a first gen BW and you're trying to make the Beige G3 drive a slave? (The first gen BW only supported one drive on their IDE bus, due to a bug on the motherboard) -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
160 GB hard drive in a G3 Beige
Hello all, I need to call on your collective wisdom. I am a long time Mac user, but a newbie at looking under the hood. My question is about my Power Macintosh G3 Beige. A couple of months ago, I pulled it out of storage with the goal of upgrading it to have a second computer around the house for routine use. Thanks to the many great resource on the web, including this group, I have learned about all its strengths and peculiarities. It is a ROM revision A machine, so I'm aware of the 8 GB limitation and know about the 128 GB limit on hard drive accessing. I maxed out the RAM, replaced the battery, added a Sonnet, Tango 2.0 PCI adapter card, a 4 MB SGRam module, and had it running at Mac OS X 10.2.8, but it seemed flaky, so I went back to OS 9.2.2. But that is not my question right now. The problem now is about the hard drive. I replaced the 4 GB drive with a Seagate 160 GB Barracuda (7200 rpm). The computer could only see 128 GB, but that was ok. I partitioned that drive into 7.2 GB in the top volume, about 118 GB in a middle volume and about 3 in the bottom volume – with the idea that I would stay away from that end of the drive. I did a fresh install from the installation CDs and upgraded to 9.2.2. Everything worked well for about a week, so I started loading applications and using it. Yesterday, I discovered that the computer only recognizes the middle volume as 117.9 MB. Looks like a power of 1000 error? So what has happened to the remainder of the middle volume? I've used Disk First Aid and Drive Set-up to look for obvious issues. It is in the middle of scanning the disk for bad blocks using Drive Set-up, so nothing to report there (Should that take 12 hours?) Other diagnostics to try? I hope that I can get this machine to operate stably because I'm enjoying toying around with it. How can I fix this issue without re-partitioning? I am going to be away for a couple of days, so I apologize in advance if I cannot answer any questions quickly. Thanks. Ed --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 2 OS Xs - Tiger Leopard; but, Only 1 Fully Utilizing the PCI Cards Installed
On Feb 22, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Well, you've solved the problem for the moment...sub-optimal to be sure. Here's hoping M-Audio's programmers can fix their drivers for 10.5. When I was looking something else up yesterday I did come across a mention that the audio system drivers did change between 10.4 and 10.5. They'll probably fix them 3 months after 10.6 is out :-) And 10.6 will be leaving us PPC folks in the dust ... Could you pass along the 10.4/10.5 audio change reference to me (us)? Would like to read up on it, maybe pass if along to the M-Audio folks ... I've been transferring some comments of the LEM Forum along ... did not use any names. Here's the Forum: http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?t=3856 Their Forum Administrator is then, sometimes, passing along the comments and my results to the Tech folks (maybe at Avid?). Evidently, they are being shielded from folks like me ... techy- musicians - Hope the only thing being lost in the, translations, is the frustration ... I've been relatively careful not to put that part out there for them. Thanks. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Do I really need a new processor?
I've got the same machine, I maxed out the memory a long time ago that made a big difference, later I installed a new faster hard drive made that the start up drive, again that bumped up the speed quite a bit. But the thing that made my 733 quicksilver run like a new computer was installing OWC's 1500ghz 2 mb - L3 processor . It didn't take very long to install it it was very well worth it. My QuickSilver now bench test's right on parr with my G5 iMac 1.6ghz. The best part is last November when our house was burglarized they took over $8,000.00 worth of stuff but they didn't bother with stealing my trusty old Quicksilver. On Feb 21, 10:09 am, Anne Keller-Smith earth...@ptd.net wrote: Hiyas ~ Got the memory working - I mean OWC sent me a new stick and it's fine. Took me awhile to fool around with, mostly because I forgot which stick was which and had to open/close case more often than absolutely necessary, compare numbers on sticks with them, etc. LOL. Now I have a lovely new processor to install, but the machine is running quickly and beautifully as is. Installed DW CS4 plus Flash and they work fine, except I haven't a clue how to use either one. My kid will help me with new Flash - I was using MX. Again LOL. It was $250. Wonder if OWC would let me return it? Impulse buy, for pete's sake. Or maybe install it, this QS has a puny 733mHz processor. Really tired of opening the case, plus a backache from moving the lucite case around. Oldsters will understand. Happy as clam, tho, because I can use this machine for a couple more years - then when 10.6 comes out will buy new. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.nethttp://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 160 GB hard drive in a G3 Beige
On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:34 AM, James Brown wrote: It is a ROM revision A machine, so I'm aware of the 8 GB limitation and know about the 128 GB limit on hard drive accessing. ROM Rev A only limits you to Master IDEs, only, no Slave IDEs. ROM Rev A has nothing to do with 8 GB limitation, per se, as all Old World Macs have the 8 GB limitation for the first partition, for OS X, but not for OS 9. As the IDEs are DMA mode, there is no 128 GB limitation in the chipset, but there is an artificial 128 GB limitation in the drivers (both OS X and OS 9). If you get Intech's Hard Drive SpeedTools, you will get an initializer for OS 9 which can initialize a drive which is larger than 128 GB (actually, it is 131,072 MB). You will still have to have an 8 GB (8192 MB) first partition, if you want to boot OS X. You will then place a partition break at exactly 131,072 MB. The included white paper on safe formatting will disclose all these details. The High Cap kext for OS X will allow that MacOS to access above the 128 GB line. You could install 500 GB drives on that machine, if you wanted to. All the B or C ROMs would do would be to give you Slave support, which is certainly a good reason to install a B or C ROM. The B ROM should fine, as all the C ROM did was correct an error in the support for the video chip which was on the Rev. 2 and 3 motherboards, and the C ROM did nothing for IDE support. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Problem with Applejack instructions
Problem with Applejack instructions I want to use this and can read and understand, but as is the case here, the writer assumes you know more than we do and then tells us of a danger, so here is the problem: QUIT 1: I am a user and am logged in, when I am done with the computer, I use the APPLE MENU/ SHUT DOWN...to quit. Question: Does this mean I am still logged in? Is this the WRONG WAY to close the computer if I want to use Applejack? IS THIS THE MISSING INFO? QUIT 2: I am a user and am logged in, when I am done with the computer I use the APPLE MENU/ LOG OUT NAME...to quit. Question: Is this the missing instruction that will cause a problem if not followed? If I follow this instruction: APPLE MENU/ LOG OUT NAME...to quit. THEN Start and hold the COMMAND AND S KEYS DOWN to start up in Single User Mode. Is the above QUIT 1 OR QUIT 2 correct or not. As you can see, the error is is NOT TELLING HOW TO QUIT in a special way. ( I have never used the log out in years ) Please reply. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 2 OS Xs - Tiger Leopard; but, Only 1 Fully Utilizing the PCI Cards Installed
On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:18 AM, insightinmind wrote: And 10.6 will be leaving us PPC folks in the dust ... Could you pass along the 10.4/10.5 audio change reference to me (us)? Would like to read up on it, maybe pass if along to the M-Audio folks ... I've been transferring some comments of the LEM Forum along ... did not use any names. Here's the Forum: http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?t=3856 Their Forum Administrator is then, sometimes, passing along the comments and my results to the Tech folks (maybe at Avid?). Evidently, they are being shielded from folks like me ... techy- musicians - Hope the only thing being lost in the, translations, is the frustration ... I've been relatively careful not to put that part out there for them. Bill, I also have a Tiger partition that I installed my M-Audio Revolution on. I had much the same problem with it that I did with Leopard, though I'll admit I had no kernel panics. While it seemed stable in the sense that it didn't crash the whole system, I would still get garbled audio out of Tiger. Of course, you're using a different card and probably a different driver. I hope you can manage to get your sound card issues straightened out. It does seem silly that M-Audio doesn't have a stable driver for an OS that has been out as long as Leopard has. Eric --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem with Applejack instructions
At 9:56 AM -0800 2/22/2009, Jonas Lopez wrote: Problem with Applejack instructions I want to use this and can read and understand, but as is the case here, the writer assumes you know more than we do and then tells us of a danger, so here is the problem: QUIT 1: I am a user and am logged in, when I am done with the computer, I use the APPLE MENU/ SHUT DOWN...to quit. Question: Does this mean I am still logged in? No. When you tell the machine to shutdown, it first quits all your processes, then logs you out, then quits all the system processes, then runs down the kernel, and finally kills the power. Is this the WRONG WAY to close the computer if I want to use Applejack? No, it's fine. Even selecting restart is fine. They key is that you must hold down cmd-s when you boot to get into Single User mode, so you can run AppleJack. QUIT 2: I am a user and am logged in, when I am done with the computer I use the APPLE MENU/ LOG OUT NAME...to quit. Question: Is this the missing instruction that will cause a problem if not followed? If I follow this instruction: APPLE MENU/ LOG OUT NAME...to quit. THEN Start and hold the COMMAND AND S KEYS DOWN to start up in Single User Mode. Is the above QUIT 1 OR QUIT 2 correct or not. Either works; per my explination above. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem with Applejack instructions
On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Jonas Lopez wrote: Problem with Applejack instructions I want to use this and can read and understand, but as is the case here, the writer assumes you know more than we do and then tells us of a danger, so here is the problem: QUIT 1: I am a user and am logged in, when I am done with the computer, I use the APPLE MENU/ SHUT DOWN...to quit. Question: Does this mean I am still logged in? Is this the WRONG WAY to close the computer if I want to use Applejack? IS THIS THE MISSING INFO? QUIT 2: I am a user and am logged in, when I am done with the computer I use the APPLE MENU/ LOG OUT NAME...to quit. Question: Is this the missing instruction that will cause a problem if not followed? If I follow this instruction: APPLE MENU/ LOG OUT NAME...to quit. THEN Start and hold the COMMAND AND S KEYS DOWN to start up in Single User Mode. Is the above QUIT 1 OR QUIT 2 correct or not. As you can see, the error is is NOT TELLING HOW TO QUIT in a special way. ( I have never used the log out in years ) Please reply. I'm not sure about those instructions, but the way I've always used AppleJack is to do a complete Shutdown from the Apple Menu. You would then start your Mac back up. After the startup chime, hold down CMD-S until a black screen comes up. Once the black screen comes up, you can let go of CMD-S. The black screen should look like a Terminal window that fills the whole screen. At that point, you can run AppleJack. My understanding is that this the best and safest way to use AppleJack. Eric --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Desktop Icons can't be moved
I dumped the preferences without any change, I had already fixed the permissions. I noticed that I can move windows around but I can't move items in the windows. Later today I'll try some of the other suggestions. Thanks Leo On Feb 21, 9:11 pm, Cyrus callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes your user preferences can get corrupted over time, or by having the application they are for crash. I would try moving the desktop and finder preferences to a new folder, forcing the OS to create a new one. These are in the Users[your username]LibraryPreferencescom.apple.desktop.plist and com.apple.finder.plist. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
rsync question
I hope folks don't mind if I ask a Unix-y question. I've grown fond of using rsync to keep my iTunes collection synced across various Macs. I just point rsync at my Linux server, and push or pull the iTunes material depending on which I need. The problem I've noticed is that rsync insists on touching every single file, whether or not it needs to be synced. I've read on Bombich's site that is due to a bug in Apple's version of rsync, and they recommend recompiling rsync on each Mac you want to update. Needless to say, that's a rather tedious fix. Are there any command line options I can use with rsync to work around the problem? Thanks, Eric --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem with Applejack instructions
At 1:37 PM -0600 2/22/2009, Eric Volker wrote: I'm not sure about those instructions, but the way I've always used AppleJack is to do a complete Shutdown from the Apple Menu. You would then start your Mac back up. After the startup chime, hold down CMD-S until a black screen comes up. Once the black screen comes up, you can let go of CMD-S. The black screen should look like a Terminal window that fills the whole screen. At that point, you can run AppleJack. My understanding is that this the best and safest way to use AppleJack. best and safest? AppleJack MUST be run from Single User mode, period. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem with Applejack instructions
Earlier, at 1:37 pm -0600 2/22/09, Eric Volker wrote: I'm not sure about those instructions, but the way I've always used AppleJack is to do a complete Shutdown from the Apple Menu. You would then start your Mac back up. After the startup chime, hold down CMD-S until a black screen comes up. Once the black screen comes up, you can let go of CMD-S. The black screen should look like a Terminal window that fills the whole screen. At that point, you can run AppleJack. My understanding is that this the best and safest way to use AppleJack. There is a READ ME enclosed with the Applejack install IIRC But I restart and hold down the S and Command buttons, wait for the prompt and type applejack, after which I get my choices. If, when you install Applejack, you opt for the optional install, you get MemTest, which is accessed from the prompt (after typing Applejack) by typing x [return] HTH, p. -- Idealism is what precedes experience; cynicism is what follows. -- David T. Wolf --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: transferring a hard disk
On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:02 AM, lde...@comcast.net wrote: Dear List Members: I have a Beige G3 and a Blue and White G3. I want to install the Beige's hard drive into the Blue and White, but the Blue and White will not mount the Beige drive. I suspect that there are some driver issues involved, but do not know how to remedy the situation. So long as the Beige G3 drive is an IDE not a SCSI drive, the two should swap without issues. This is what I thought, too Bruce. The drive from the Beige is a Quantum ATA drive. It works fine in the Beigebut will not boot the BW. Isn't ATA the same as IDE? Does another drive work in the BW? Have you checked master/slave settings? Yes. I have a Western Digital in the BW that works fine. I called Apple about the jumper settings, and they told me to use CS instead of Master. The BW seems to like this setting, but if I install the Quantum in addition to the WD, the BW will not boot regardless of what jumper settings I select. Is it a first gen BW and you're trying to make the Beige G3 drive a slave? (The first gen BW only supported one drive on their IDE bus, due to a bug on the motherboard) The BW that I have is a 450 mhz model, so I am pretty sure that it is not a first gen. I have firewire on the Beige via a PCI card, but the BW and the Beige can't get together via firewire. I thought I could solve the problem via the Migration Assistant, but NO GO. BassMan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.6 Desktop Icons can't be moved
Pleasant Grove Vineyard wrote: I dumped the preferences without any change, I had already fixed the permissions. I noticed that I can move windows around but I can't move items in the windows. Later today I'll try some of the other suggestions. I haven't been following this but it sounds like it's set to arrange the ICON view by something. With the Desktop selected, under the View menu select Show View Options. Under Arrange, select None. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fool'em
Wayback machine, I know I did this in the past, but I can't remember how. I want to set up children's programs that ordinarily require that the cd be in the cd player for the program to run to be able to run from a copy somewhere on the HD. It saves the wear, tear, and breakage (inevitable) that five year olds inflict on cd players. OS 9.1, Imac Bondi. THe program in question installs on the HD, but requires the cd be in the drive to run. Further complicated in that the cd mounts as two volumes, one being the program, the other an audio cd. I don't know where or ecactly the method for copying the cd to the drive in such a way that the install program finds it instead of requesting the cd be inserted into the cd player. -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fool'em
At 4:06 PM -0600 2/22/09, R. A. Cantrell posted: Wayback machine, I know I did this in the past, but I can't remember how. I want to set up children's programs that ordinarily require that the cd be in the cd player for the program to run to be able to run from a copy somewhere on the HD. It saves the wear, tear, and breakage (inevitable) that five year olds inflict on cd players. OS 9.1, Imac Bondi. THe program in question installs on the HD, but requires the cd be in the drive to run. Further complicated in that the cd mounts as two volumes, one being the program, the other an audio cd. I don't know where or ecactly the method for copying the cd to the drive in such a way that the install program finds it instead of requesting the cd be inserted into the cd player. Have you checked Disk Utility to see if it shows the CD as two separate sessions? If it does, choose the 'audio cd' as the CD you want to copy. It gets saved as .cdr, change it to .iso, and when needed to be mounted, doubleclick. Otherwise, you could possibly drag the contents from the audio session to an image or folder to create a new image. Problems with that are any hidden files the programmer may have added, and these hidden files were far more common pre-X to stop duplicating discs. Steve R --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Broken screw
Bruce, I removed the card but the nut is what is broken off.Could not even drill it out. Norm On Feb 19, 11:10 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Norm Rowe wrote: I know I can just leave it alone but when I installed my ATI 9800 card one of the screws that hold the cable broke off. It is in a position where it nearly impossible to get a tool on it. Any ideas other than to just let be? Not if you remove the card. I've never seen one break where you couldn't disconnect the cable. Yank the card and then you can get a pair of needle-nosed pliers on the nut the cable screws into. Those are simply screwed into the card and readily replaceable...any pc supply or repair shop in your area should have dozens laying about. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Applejack instructions violate log out
On Feb 22, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: Yes there is a Readme with Applejack and in it is the following: Running this script while logged in as a user can crash your system So the question still is; HOW TO LOG OUT? The last item on the Apple menu is LOG OUT. Question is: Are we REQUIRED to use this to quit then start up holding command plus S for Single user mode? No, any time you shut down or restart, all users are automatically logged out before the computer powers down. So, as long as either power up the computer holding the command S, or restart hitting command S just after the screen goes blank, you are starting in single user mode. Logging in is something that happens each time you start the computer. It can be either automatic to your user account by selecting that option in the Users preference pane, or you can be presented with a list of available users upon start up (before you see any desktop) to choose which one you want to log into. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem with Applejack instructions
Greetings ( + )!( + ) If the instruction that come with the applejack application are not understandable then I would recommend that you trash the program and not attempt to run it under any circumstance. Best regards, - Harry - On Feb 22, 9:56 am, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: Problem with Applejack instructions I want to use this and can read and understand, but as is the case here, the writer assumes you know more than we do and then tells us of a danger, so here is the problem: QUIT 1: I am a user and am logged in, when I am done with the computer, I use the APPLE MENU/ SHUT DOWN...to quit. Question: Does this mean I am still logged in? Is this the WRONG WAY to close the computer if I want to use Applejack? IS THIS THE MISSING INFO? QUIT 2: I am a user and am logged in, when I am done with the computer I use the APPLE MENU/ LOG OUT NAME...to quit. Question: Is this the missing instruction that will cause a problem if not followed? If I follow this instruction: APPLE MENU/ LOG OUT NAME...to quit. THEN Start and hold the COMMAND AND S KEYS DOWN to start up in Single User Mode. Is the above QUIT 1 OR QUIT 2 correct or not. As you can see, the error is is NOT TELLING HOW TO QUIT in a special way. ( I have never used the log out in years ) Please reply. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Applejack instructions
gifutiger wrote: Greetings ( + )!( + ) If the instruction that come with the applejack application are not understandable then I would recommend that you trash the program and not attempt to run it under any circumstance. Best regards, - Harry - On Feb 22, 9:56 am, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been using AJ for years and as was recommended to me I restart using CMD - S and then type in applejack auto restart and 10 minutes later I have a spiffy NEW computer. Dan Currie Problem with Applejack instructions I want to use this and can read and understand, but as is the case here, the writer assumes you know more than we do and then tells us of a danger, so here is the problem: QUIT 1: I am a user and am logged in, when I am done with the computer, I use the APPLE MENU/ SHUT DOWN...to quit. Question: Does this mean I am still logged in? Is this the WRONG WAY to close the computer if I want to use Applejack? IS THIS THE MISSING INFO? QUIT 2: I am a user and am logged in, when I am done with the computer I use the APPLE MENU/ LOG OUT NAME...to quit. Question: Is this the missing instruction that will cause a problem if not followed? If I follow this instruction: APPLE MENU/ LOG OUT NAME...to quit. THEN Start and hold the COMMAND AND S KEYS DOWN to start up in Single User Mode. Is the above QUIT 1 OR QUIT 2 correct or not. As you can see, the error is is NOT TELLING HOW TO QUIT in a special way. ( I have never used the log out in years ) Please reply. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Selecting Startup Disk in Beige G3
In the new-world mac, I press option at startup to select the startup disk, But on the Old-World Beige Mac, what key do I push to select the startup disk,? Thank You --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Do I really need a new processor?
On Feb 21, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Just as a hint for the next time. You can run a G4 case with the cover open. Thanks, Clark! Actually I'm a little embarassed to say most of the opens/closes I did under my desk without unplugging anything. Just rotated the computer a little bit, swung the door open, diddled with RAM, closed again. With computer off. Careful of static. You're supposed to keep it plugged in anyway to ground. My back was just screaming from pulling it out and hoisting it onto a table. All that Lucite. So pretty, but heavy as a house. If I shouldn't be doing this, just let me know, and I'll figure out another way to save my back. I have an 11 year old who I might just make do it ... Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Do I really need a new processor?
On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:02 PM, lorensmedb...@hotmail.com wrote: I've got the same machine, the thing that made my 733 quicksilver run like a new computer was installing OWC's 1500ghz 2 mb - L3 processor . The one I got is the NewerTEch MaxPower 7447 Single G4/1.6GHz. Very funny about the thieves not taking your computer. Nice thing about old macs and very dented in Honda Civics. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Selecting Startup Disk in Beige G3
Mullin9 wrote: In the new-world mac, I press option at startup to select the startup disk, But on the Old-World Beige Mac, what key do I push to select the startup disk,? There is no direct equivalent to the option key. You can hold down the c key to start up from the optical drive. You can press Delete-Option-Command-Shift (DOCS) to not have the assigned startup drive be used. In that case the computer will search for a bootable volume in a specific order of the available devices. Otherwise to specify a drive you have to be able to boot into a system and use the Startup Disk System Preference or OS 9 equivalent to select a boot drive. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem with Applejack instructions
On Feb 22, 9:56 am, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: Problem with Applejack instructions I used Applejack to test my RAM. I never log in either, I am the only user on my machine. All I did was Shut Down, then Start up using Cmd-S. The rest was pretty automatic. No problems. Good luck! Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fool'em
I second making disk images of the CDs, with Disk Utility. The Mac thinks the disk images are the actual disks, except they're always available on the hard drive. You can put the original disks away for safekeeping. Look up how to make a disk image of a CD if you don't know how to do it. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Selecting Startup Disk in Beige G3
On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Mullin9 wrote: In the new-world mac, I press option at startup to select the startup disk, But on the Old-World Beige Mac, what key do I push to select the startup disk, If you're using an unsupported version of OS X (10.3 or 10.4) requiring XPostFacto you must use XPF to select the startup disk. If you're using a supported version of OS X (10.2 or earlier) or OS 9 you use Apple Startup Disk to select the startup disk. There isn't any firmware option (meaning keystroke) for selecting the startup disk prior to boot, although you can boot into Open Firmware command line and use open firmware commands to select the startup device. This isn't easy because you'll need to know the exact arcane open firmware device name to be able to specify it. It can be done, but it's not for the faint of heart, and generally you could boot a CD holding the C key and then use Apple Startup Disk from there unless you're using an unsupported OS X which will not work properly if you use Apple Startup Disk since it conflicts with XPF. If you reset the PRAM/NVRAM the Beige defaults to the master drive of the primary ATA bus. These other old-world boot key commands work, but aren't too useful unless you use SCSI drives in the Beige: Cmd-Opt-Shift-Delete: Bypass startup drive and boot from external SCSI Cmd-Opt-Shift-Delete-#: Boot from a specific SCSI ID #.(#=SCSI ID number) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Applejack instructions violate log out
At 3:16 PM -0800 2/22/2009, Jonas Lopez wrote: Yes there is a Readme with Applejack and in it is the following: Running this script while logged in as a user can crash your system So the question still is; HOW TO LOG OUT? You are mis-interpreting it. You cannot run AppleJack while OS X is booted as a MULTI-USER system (ie, normally). You MUST boot into SINGLE-USER mode - and at that point you ARE root, directly connected to the system's console. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: upgrading firmware on blue and white??
On 2/22/09 10:45 PM, jonas ulrich of jonasulrich3...@gmail.com sent How do you upgrade firmware on a blue and whiter powermac? I heard that there is a firmware update to get it to except g4 upgrade cards. -Jonas Hi Jonas, Yes you are right, the G3 needs a hack that removes the instruction that prevents a G3 firmware from recognizing a G4 CPU. Sonnet has had it for a long time, here: http://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/processorupgradecards.html I suspect OWC has it (or something comparable) as well. Best regards, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: upgrading firmware on blue and white??
the link isn't working. how do i get it off the mac update? On 2/22/09, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com wrote: At 11:32 PM -0500 2/22/09, Dana Collins posted: On 2/22/09 10:45 PM, jonas ulrich of jonasulrich3...@gmail.com sent How do you upgrade firmware on a blue and whiter powermac? I heard that there is a firmware update to get it to except g4 upgrade cards. -Jonas Hi Jonas, Yes you are right, the G3 needs a hack that removes the instruction that prevents a G3 firmware from recognizing a G4 CPU. Sonnet has had it for a long time, here: http://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/processorupgradecards.htmlhttp://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/processorupgradecards.html I suspect OWC has it (or something comparable) as well. Sonnet firmware can also be found on macupdate. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: upgrading firmware on blue and white??
every single bloody download link doesn't work!!! at 94k through it says the decompression failed On 2/22/09, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:26 PM -0800 2/22/09, jonas ulrich posted: the link isn't working. how do i get it off the mac update? On 2/22/09, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com wrote: At 11:32 PM -0500 2/22/09, Dana Collins posted: On 2/22/09 10:45 PM, jonas ulrich of jonasulrich3...@gmail.com sent How do you upgrade firmware on a blue and whiter powermac? I heard that there is a firmware update to get it to except g4 upgrade cards. -Jonas Hi Jonas, Yes you are right, the G3 needs a hack that removes the instruction that prevents a G3 firmware from recognizing a G4 CPU. Sonnet has had it for a long time, here: http://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/processorupgradecards.htmlhttp://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/processorupgradecards.html I suspect OWC has it (or something comparable) as well. Sonnet firmware can also be found on macupdate. go to macupdate.com and search for sonnet. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
