Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6

[insightinmind]

On Mar 23, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 8:16 PM -0400 3/23/2009, insightinmind wrote:
 Anyway, it looks like the M-Audio Delta Helper folder is now being
  accessed only AFTER the loginwindow.app starts, and runs  
 through the
  StartupItems > M-Audio Delta Helper (folder) items  
 completely ... but
  only after the loginwindow.app. Previously, it looked like it was
  trying to start, and failed, before loginwindow.app ... then if it
  tried again, it would run to completion. Make sense?
>>>
>>> Ok.  Can't tell - you didn't send any system.log files.
>>
>> The two Apple System Profiler reports in the first sitx "Bill
>> Connelly's Hearing Problems.sitx", were a Before and After snapshot,
>> and should have contained the logs. Don't spx files contain the logs?
>> ___BlueScreen.spx and ___AppleJackedStartRestart.spx files.
>
> No, they don't contain the logs.

So the spx file I sent doesn't contain the system.log?

I thought it did if you open it in SystemProfiler.app, and look down  
the left column, click on Logs and then on system.log. Not there?
...
>
>> but things seem to be working now, so we can move on to another  
>> day ...
>> really seems to be working now. Multiple restarts and cold boots ...
>> no issues.
>
> /me quietly crosses fingers.

Thanks.

Bill Connelly
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Re: Slightly OT: The weirdest computer cleaning question ever

[Cyrus Griffin]

It's true! They also are great for taking scuff marks off Macs. (But  
not with smooth plastics, like the iMacs) I use them all the time,  
never use gloves not sure why you would need to. It might not work  
very well on cement, however, which is what I believe he was trying to  
remove the stain from... You could sure try, however!

Cyrus Griffin

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On Mar 23, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

> Try Mr. Clean Magic Foam Erasers. Those things clean everything up.  
> Just make sure you use rubber gloves.
> -Jonas
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Steve R  > wrote:
>
> At 7:49 AM -0700 3/23/09, Mel posted:
> Is this product sold in the states (USA)?  The link shows only  
> Canadian stores.
>
> Mel
>
>
> solution with australian tea tree oil in it -- Home Hardware's Natura
> spray cleaner -- and discovered that the day old coffee stain wasn't
> the only thing it wiped from the desk. The set-in ink stain
> disappeared too.
>
> <  
> >http://www.homehardware.ca/Products/index/show/product/I4580929/name/cleaner_a_p_natura_650ml
> > 
> >
>
>
>
> I'm sure the reason the cleaner works is because of the main
> ingredient, australian tee tree oil, so I'd imagine similar products
> are being sold in the US. (I've also found it works great on shower
> enclosures and glass, lime scale and removing coffee stains from a
> rug. It 'almost' removed black marker and probably will next time
> around or if I can find someone who hasn't torn both rotator cuffs to
> do the scrubbing.) My sister's friend turned me on to it because the
> strokes have lessened my strength and I needed a stronger cleaner.
>
> Steve R
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: MacDeath? Magazine's good-sounding advice goes bad

[tonycd]

No. All they said was to refer to a couple of the other articles
they'd previously run on Terminal usage. I'm sure the warnings can be
found there, but that's a pretty mild note of caution in my book.

As for the erasure of the temp file, I think it was interrupted by
Energy Saver. The log I saw in Terminal upon returning to the machine
suggested it had written over the data 30 times first, which obviously
is plenty.


>
> While I love Terminal - use it all the time... I'm not sure why
> MacLife would send you to Terminal, risking fateful typos etc, to do
> what you can do safely from Disk Utility.  Did the magazine at least
> STRONGLY recommend that you run full backups first?
>
> - Dan.
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Re: MacDeath? Magazine's good-sounding advice goes bad

[Dan]

At 5:28 PM -0700 3/23/2009, tonycd wrote:
>Mystery solved (and at the same time, deepened): After making the
>above post, I tried to make space by trashing one 1 GB item. I hit
>"Empty trash," and in an eyeblink, it emptied the trash and changed
>its display to "40 GB available."
>
>Wow. Glad there's no crisis, but does anyone out there understand what
>just happened?

The "erase free space" function works by creating a massive temp file 
then erasing it.  Normally, when the task completes, the temp file is 
removed.  Perhaps something interrupted the process?

One possibility is that there could a permission issue going on.  At 
this point, it might be a good idea to do a deep cleaning with 
AppleJack.  Let it do all its steps, which will include (among other 
goodness) repairing your drive, cleaning out odd temp files, then 
repairing permissions.

While I love Terminal - use it all the time... I'm not sure why 
MacLife would send you to Terminal, risking fateful typos etc, to do 
what you can do safely from Disk Utility.  Did the magazine at least 
STRONGLY recommend that you run full backups first?

- Dan.
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Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6

[Dan]

At 8:16 PM -0400 3/23/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>  >> Anyway, it looks like the M-Audio Delta Helper folder is now being
>>>  accessed only AFTER the loginwindow.app starts, and runs through the
>>>  StartupItems > M-Audio Delta Helper (folder) items completely ... but
>>>  only after the loginwindow.app. Previously, it looked like it was
>>>  trying to start, and failed, before loginwindow.app ... then if it
>>>  tried again, it would run to completion. Make sense?
>>
>  > Ok.  Can't tell - you didn't send any system.log files.
>
>The two Apple System Profiler reports in the first sitx "Bill 
>Connelly's Hearing Problems.sitx", were a Before and After snapshot, 
>and should have contained the logs. Don't spx files contain the logs? 
>___BlueScreen.spx and ___AppleJackedStartRestart.spx files.

No, they don't contain the logs.

>I believe I sent additional info/logs in a second sitx file,

That archive contained a bunch of logs, but not system.log

>but things seem to be working now, so we can move on to another day ...
>really seems to be working now. Multiple restarts and cold boots ...
>no issues.

/me quietly crosses fingers.

- Dan.
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Re: MacDeath? Magazine's good-sounding advice goes bad

[tonycd]

Mystery solved (and at the same time, deepened): After making the
above post, I tried to make space by trashing one 1 GB item. I hit
"Empty trash," and in an eyeblink, it emptied the trash and changed
its display to "40 GB available."

Wow. Glad there's no crisis, but does anyone out there understand what
just happened?
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MacDeath? Magazine's good-sounding advice goes bad

[tonycd]

The new issue of MacLife advises:

"The terminal is your friend. (Use the) key combo: diskutil
secureErase freespace 3 /Volumes/Macintosh HD

"Securely erases data on the free space of a Mac hard drive called
Macintosh HD (you would replace Macintosh HD wiht the name of the
drive you wish to erase, of course)."


I followed this advice. Now when I run "Get Info" on my hard drive, it
says this:
Capacity: 74.41 GB
Available: 1.2 MB
Used: 74.4 GB on disk

Inside the root-level folder "Users," the folder that bears my name
(it has a home icon on it -- I'm the administrator, of course) says it
has 51 GB in it. But the sum of the visible contents is less than one-
fifth of that figure.

What gives? And what next? Do I have to transfer all my disk contents
to my backup drive, then back again, to fix this?
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Re: Installing 3rd Party Drivers under OS X 10.5.6

[insightinmind]

This issue seems to have finally been solved using AppleJack.

Perhaps a discussion on correcting a 3rd party vendor's Ownership and  
Permissions might be up for comments. M-Audio is hinting at - as  
their suggested method of completing their installation: run their  
installer, then run Repair Permissions.

Special thanks to Dan for looking over my Panic Logs and Apple System  
Profiler reports.

This has been bugging me for months ...


Additional response below ...


On Mar 21, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Dan wrote:

>
> Bill sent me the m-audio driver and his panic & crash logs...
>
> At 4:58 PM -0400 3/19/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>> Running AppleJack may have solved the problem.

> At 8:58 AM -0400 3/20/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
>> I had another Blue Screen freeze this AM. May be not related to the
>> M-Audio drivers?

I may have restarted too quickly one time, and its possible Spotlight  
was still running? or actually, I was trying to access the Dock too  
quickly, before everything had finished loading ... seemed to  
remember having a kp at that point this time ...
>
> Half the panic logs point to the M-Audio driver.
>
> The other half point to the VIDEO card!  Not good.  Try pulling that
> card and making sure all the contacts are clean, etc.  If you have a
> diff video card you can try, that might be helpful.

The other half ... goodness. I only thought when I changed video  
cards (from a new ATI Radeon 9800 Pro ME back to the Geforce 4MX) did  
I get a kp ... which seemed to straighten itself out with several  
restarts.

After AppleJack, I'm back to using the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro ME, along  
with a replacement M-Audio 2496, my Rosewill NIC and Sonnet USB/FW  
with no Startup issues. I think both my video cards are ok.
>
> Several of the crash logs show mdworker failed.  It is part of
> Spotlight's indexing system.  The importer being used at the time of
> the crash was "com.sibelius.MDImporter.score".  That suggests either
> a) Sibelius' importer is buggy OR b) your disk needs repairing, and
> perhaps there are some corrupted files of the type that importer is
> accessing.

I may need to re-install some Sibelius Save fixes ... they are OS X  
10.5 specific. I switched back from 10.5 to 10.4.11 to try to escape  
my audio card woes ... and noticed Sibelius went bazzerk in the logs ...
>
>> Note: I also replaced the PRAM battery with a fresh one
>
> Good.  I see some of the panic logs are dated 1969 - which indicates
> a power manager failure.  Replacing the battery is the first step to
> diagnosing that.

I did a PRAM Reset startup and got a kp, IIRC. That's probably the  
"1969 kp". But I like having a fresh battery, just the same.
>
>
>> Anyway, it looks like the M-Audio Delta Helper folder is now being
>> accessed only AFTER the loginwindow.app starts, and runs through the
>> StartupItems > M-Audio Delta Helper (folder) items completely ... but
>> only after the loginwindow.app. Previously, it looked like it was
>> trying to start, and failed, before loginwindow.app ... then if it
>> tried again, it would run to completion. Make sense?
>
> Ok.  Can't tell - you didn't send any system.log files.

The two Apple System Profiler reports in the first sitx "Bill  
Connelly's Hearing Problems.sitx", were a Before and After snapshot,  
and should have contained the logs. Don't spx files contain the logs?  
___BlueScreen.spx and ___AppleJackedStartRestart.spx files.

I believe I sent additional info/logs in a second sitx file, but  
things seem to be working now, so we can move on to another day ...  
really seems to be working now. Multiple restarts and cold boots ...  
no issues.

Thanks for your additional help.


Bill Connelly
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Re: Slightly OT: The weirdest computer cleaning question ever

[Jonas Ulrich]

Try Mr. Clean Magic Foam Erasers. Those things clean everything up. Just
make sure you use rubber gloves.-Jonas

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Steve R wrote:

>
> At 7:49 AM -0700 3/23/09, Mel posted:
> Is this product sold in the states (USA)?  The link shows only Canadian
> stores.
>
> Mel
>
>
> solution with australian tea tree oil in it -- Home Hardware's Natura
> spray cleaner -- and discovered that the day old coffee stain wasn't
> the only thing it wiped from the desk. The set-in ink stain
> disappeared too.
>
> <<
> http://www.homehardware.ca/Products/index/show/product/I4580929/name/cleaner_a_p_natura_650ml
> >
> http://www.homehardware.ca/Products/index/show/product/I4580929/name/cleaner_a_p_natura_650ml
> >
>
>
>
> I'm sure the reason the cleaner works is because of the main
> ingredient, australian tee tree oil, so I'd imagine similar products
> are being sold in the US. (I've also found it works great on shower
> enclosures and glass, lime scale and removing coffee stains from a
> rug. It 'almost' removed black marker and probably will next time
> around or if I can find someone who hasn't torn both rotator cuffs to
> do the scrubbing.) My sister's friend turned me on to it because the
> strokes have lessened my strength and I needed a stronger cleaner.
>
> Steve R
>
> >
>

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Re: Help! I've lost one harddrive and now the main harddrive won't boot!

[Dan]

At 3:04 PM -0400 3/23/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Dan wrote:
>  > At 8:54 AM -0400 3/23/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>>>
>>>  I believe the bad sectors are mapped out, even when zeroing the
>>>  partitions ... as someone said, the controller doesn't function
>>>  around partition boundaries (my paraphrasing). Still not sure of the
>>>  answer here.
>>
>>  Not sure what "controller doesn't function around partition
>>  boundaries" means.  Sounds like you're trying to get the crane
>>  operator to deal with what's inside of the cargo container.
>>
>>  Partitions are a SOFTWARE data construct, created and managed by your
>>  Mac's file system.  The controller is HARDWARE.  It knows NOTHING
>>  about the partitions.  The controller only knows the whole hard
>>  drive, by managing the stream of logical blocks (as presented to the
>>  outside world), against the actual physical geometry of the drive
>>  (cylinders, platters, tracks, sectors, etc).
>
>The original question led to something to the effect ... when you 
>erase and zero a partition of a multiple partitioned drive, does it
>map out bad sectors of that partition.

yes.

>I thought someone responded with the statement that the controller 
>controls the mapping out, and doesn't see partitions.

yes. Me.

The engine doesn't care about the road.  Likewise only the tires know 
the road and don't care what the driver is doing.

>The answer then seemed to be yes ... zeroing a partition would cause
>the controller to map out any bad sectors.

Not seems - is.  Yes.  The controller ALWAYS maps out bad blocks 
whenever they're found, during any type of read or write operation.

- Dan.
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Re: Help! I've lost one harddrive and now the main harddrive won't boot!

[insightinmind]

On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 8:54 AM -0400 3/23/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>>
>> I believe the bad sectors are mapped out, even when zeroing the
>> partitions ... as someone said, the controller doesn't function
>> around partition boundaries (my paraphrasing). Still not sure of the
>> answer here.
>
> Not sure what "controller doesn't function around partition
> boundaries" means.  Sounds like you're trying to get the crane
> operator to deal with what's inside of the cargo container.
>
> Partitions are a SOFTWARE data construct, created and managed by your
> Mac's file system.  The controller is HARDWARE.  It knows NOTHING
> about the partitions.  The controller only knows the whole hard
> drive, by managing the stream of logical blocks (as presented to the
> outside world), against the actual physical geometry of the drive
> (cylinders, platters, tracks, sectors, etc).

The original question led to something to the effect ... when you  
erase and zero a partition of a multiple partitioned drive, does it  
map out bad sectors of that partition.

I thought someone responded with the statement that the controller  
controls the mapping out, and doesn't see partitions.

The answer then seemed to be yes ... zeroing a partition would cause  
the controller to map out any bad sectors.

Is that correct?

Bill Connelly
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Re: Help! I've lost one harddrive and now the main harddrive won't boot!

[Dan]

At 8:54 AM -0400 3/23/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>
>I believe the bad sectors are mapped out, even when zeroing the
>partitions ... as someone said, the controller doesn't function
>around partition boundaries (my paraphrasing). Still not sure of the
>answer here.

Not sure what "controller doesn't function around partition 
boundaries" means.  Sounds like you're trying to get the crane 
operator to deal with what's inside of the cargo container.

Partitions are a SOFTWARE data construct, created and managed by your 
Mac's file system.  The controller is HARDWARE.  It knows NOTHING 
about the partitions.  The controller only knows the whole hard 
drive, by managing the stream of logical blocks (as presented to the 
outside world), against the actual physical geometry of the drive 
(cylinders, platters, tracks, sectors, etc).

- Dan.
-- 
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Re: Slightly OT: The weirdest computer cleaning question ever

[Steve R]

At 7:49 AM -0700 3/23/09, Mel posted:
Is this product sold in the states (USA)?  The link shows only Canadian stores.

Mel


solution with australian tea tree oil in it -- Home Hardware's Natura
spray cleaner -- and discovered that the day old coffee stain wasn't
the only thing it wiped from the desk. The set-in ink stain
disappeared too.

<http://www.homehardware.ca/Products/index/show/product/I4580929/name/cleaner_a_p_natura_650ml>



I'm sure the reason the cleaner works is because of the main 
ingredient, australian tee tree oil, so I'd imagine similar products 
are being sold in the US. (I've also found it works great on shower 
enclosures and glass, lime scale and removing coffee stains from a 
rug. It 'almost' removed black marker and probably will next time 
around or if I can find someone who hasn't torn both rotator cuffs to 
do the scrubbing.) My sister's friend turned me on to it because the 
strokes have lessened my strength and I needed a stronger cleaner.

Steve R

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Re: Help! I've lost one harddrive and now the main harddrive won't boot!

[gifutiger]

Greetings ( + )!( + )

Checking with Western Digital and Seagate, they have an application
that runs on a WINTEL PCEE that will do the "low-level" format which
will mark, i.e. remove the bad sectors from the drive but fortunately
I haven't own a WinTel (DOS) computer for more than 30 years.

Cheers

 - Harry -
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On Mar 23, 5:54 am, insightinmind  wrote:
> On Mar 22, 2009, at 10:58 PM, tortoise wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'd like the thank the originator of this tip.
>
> > I had a few drives reporting bad spots (in the full SMART report which
> > you get only when you download the source and build it; and also when
> > I tried to secure erase I got write errors *sometimes* w/ hangs, noted
> > in apple console logs)
>
> > Yes, erasing at the drive level rather than the partition level, with
> > secure erase, eliminated the errors.
>
> > Of some concern to me of course if more bad spots turn up. Had one
> > drive turn up no more for four years (formatted free space around the
> > spot) and another got another in 6 months, or anyway the files ran
> > into it -- all this before I even knew about secure erase at all...
>
> PATA (SATA) drives (Seagate's anyway) are only warranty-ed for 3  
> years now ... use to be 5. I have a few that are lasting longer than  
> that, but I am getting ready to replace them just the same.
>
> I believe the bad sectors are mapped out, even when zeroing the  
> partitions ... as someone said, the controller doesn't function  
> around partition boundaries (my paraphrasing). Still not sure of the  
> answer here.
>
> I'm wondering if the information about the partitions might have been  
> in bad sectors themselves on your drive ... or in sectors going  
> bad ... maybe that's where the problems were. Re-partitioning with  
> zeroing would fix that.
>
> Bill Connelly
> artsite:http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio
> myspace:http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio
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Re: Slightly OT: The weirdest computer cleaning question ever

[Mel]

Is this product sold in the states (USA)?  The link shows only Canadian stores.

Mel

--- On Sun, 3/22/09, Steve R  wrote:

From: Steve R 
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: The weirdest computer cleaning question ever
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:42 PM


At 5:06 PM -0700 3/22/09, tonycd posted:
>  I used to have an Epson Stylus Color 740 hooked up to my Mac. It was
>  loud, slow, and in the brilliant words of another owner's post, kept
>  on "cleaning itself like a cat." But I liked it enough to keep it
>  around in my basement, even when I got a new HP almost free as an
>  adjunct to a new Mac purchase.
>
>  Problem was, my basement flooded. Being naive in the ways of flooded
>  printers, I picked it up and promptly dumped out a biblical flood of
>  water fouled with black inkjet ink all over my concrete floor. There
>  it soaked into the porous concrete and dried, leaving blobs of black.
>
>  Now I need to sell the place. I know there's nothing wrong with the
>  floor, but I can't expect anyone else to know that. A Google search on
>  cleaning up inkjet ink turned up every suggestion from water to bleach
>  to alcohol to ammonia. I interpret this to mean that nobody has the
>  faintest idea, short of explosives. Any suggestions?


I had an ink spill on a desk that stubbornly stayed through every 
cleaning solution I tried. Three years later I bought a cleaning 
solution with australian tea tree oil in it -- Home Hardware's Natura 
spray cleaner -- and discovered that the day old coffee stain wasn't 
the only thing it wiped from the desk. The set-in ink stain 
disappeared too.



Steve R



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Re: More drives?

[dc]

I have one in my G5 DP 1.8 MHz; no additional cooling was needed. The
computer reports CPU temps between 40 - 50 degrees C, only 2 or 3
degrees warmer than it ran before I put in the extra drives. I use a
Seritek internal 4-port SATA card to run the 3 additional 320 GB SATA
hard drives in a RAID 0 setup. Boot & wake from sleep is delayed by a
few seconds as the drives spin up sequentially, but once they are
going the system runs pretty fast!

On Mar 21, 8:10 pm, "Dan A. Currie"  wrote:
> What are your opinions about this little item??
> http://www.sonnettech.com/product/g5_jive.html

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Re: Help! I've lost one harddrive and now the main harddrive won't boot!

[insightinmind]

On Mar 22, 2009, at 10:58 PM, tortoise wrote:

>
> I'd like the thank the originator of this tip.
>
> I had a few drives reporting bad spots (in the full SMART report which
> you get only when you download the source and build it; and also when
> I tried to secure erase I got write errors *sometimes* w/ hangs, noted
> in apple console logs)
>
>
> Yes, erasing at the drive level rather than the partition level, with
> secure erase, eliminated the errors.
>
> Of some concern to me of course if more bad spots turn up. Had one
> drive turn up no more for four years (formatted free space around the
> spot) and another got another in 6 months, or anyway the files ran
> into it -- all this before I even knew about secure erase at all...

PATA (SATA) drives (Seagate's anyway) are only warranty-ed for 3  
years now ... use to be 5. I have a few that are lasting longer than  
that, but I am getting ready to replace them just the same.

I believe the bad sectors are mapped out, even when zeroing the  
partitions ... as someone said, the controller doesn't function  
around partition boundaries (my paraphrasing). Still not sure of the  
answer here.

I'm wondering if the information about the partitions might have been  
in bad sectors themselves on your drive ... or in sectors going  
bad ... maybe that's where the problems were. Re-partitioning with  
zeroing would fix that.

Bill Connelly
artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio
myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio




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