Re: Radeon 9800 Gig Ethernet
On 31/10/09 05:10, PETER WARNER pe...@petermwarner.com wrote: Having updated the ROM to the August 05 (130), I still had the same problems. Then I re-read this, and it caught my eye. My stock frequencies in ATIccellerator II are listed as Processor 378 MHz, and Memory 337.50 MHz. So I took your advice, and underclocked down to the 9700 speeds you listed, and the problem went away. I then, slowly, brought them back up, evenly, until I got corruption again. I then went back a step or two until I had a stable display. The settings are now Processor 353.25 MHz, and Memory 315.00 MHz. Go figure... Why would my card have the higher frequencies set in it? And, will underclocking damage the card? Thanks so much for the help everyone! One other thing, ATIccellerator lets you set it to the custom frequencies at login. But during boot/the Login screen, it still has those higher frequencies. if they are to high, can that be damaging my card? Is setting custom frequencies something Graphiccelerator can do in the ROM? And is that worth the risk of playing around with? Peter 378/337 are the standard speeds for the pc version of this card - 350/300 WERE the standard speeds of the ME though they may have changed up to 378/337 over the life of the card as the core was updated to R360 from R350 and faster memory was used. Underclocking will not in itself damage the card and is a good way to get more mileage from high power graphics cards as they run proportionately cooler - but underclocking will not repair a card. A card with artifacts at stock speeds has some kind of problem - if it disappears when the card is downclocked the problem is likely overheating so the first thing I would do is service the heatsink and fan or look for an alternative like an IceQ - though their bulk is a problem. The higher frquencies at boot are unlikely to damage the card as the performance required from it at that stage is pretty low but downclocking can be done permanently by editing the speeds in the rom with Graphiccelerator and flashing the revised rom onto the card. It wouldn't be my first course of action as the card would still have unsolved problems - so I would try and get it back to 100% working at full speed first. But if you've never removed a heatsink and are hesitant to mess with it the downclocked flash would be an alternative choice. Strange how it seems to like the old standard ME speeds 350/300 ish.. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Radeon 9800 Gig Ethernet
On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:06 AM, Michael G.M. wrote: On Oct 30, 2:11 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I have the ATI Radeon 9800Pro ME and I believe you're supposed to stick with the software supplied via OS X. The cards come with software installers for a reason, don't they? If it was an ATi rage 128, yes stick with the software supplied within OS X. It doesn't need a software install. I have 10.5.8. The OP doesn't, he has 10.4. And you need to start trouble shooting some way. Don't patronize me. I've installed and uninstalled tons of software for Mac OS X and 9. The advice I've given means I've had experience and I stand by it. Mike My apologies if I sounded like I was being patronizing ... that was not my intention. It had also, always been my experience to perform download the latest drivers whenever there seemed to be a software/hardware issue. But the advice I got, and tried to pass along, was regarding ATI drivers, and this changed somewhere along the way. ATI being taken over by AMD, or something to that effect. If someone reading this goes to 10.5.8, I believe it stands: it is suggested that you should stay with the Apple supplied drivers. Thank You for bringing this to my attention. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Radeon 9800 Gig Ethernet
On 31/10/09 12:47, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: My apologies if I sounded like I was being patronizing ... that was not my intention. It had also, always been my experience to perform download the latest drivers whenever there seemed to be a software/hardware issue. But the advice I got, and tried to pass along, was regarding ATI drivers, and this changed somewhere along the way. ATI being taken over by AMD, or something to that effect. If someone reading this goes to 10.5.8, I believe it stands: it is suggested that you should stay with the Apple supplied drivers. Thank You for bringing this to my attention. There are no downloadable drivers for radeon cards for any version of OSX to my knowledge - just the rom updates and the ATI Displays Preferences pane - a visit to ati.amd.com will confirm that. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Radeon 9800 Gig Ethernet
On Oct 31, 2009, at 9:33 AM, pdimage wrote: On 31/10/09 12:47, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: My apologies if I sounded like I was being patronizing ... that was not my intention. It had also, always been my experience to perform download the latest drivers whenever there seemed to be a software/hardware issue. But the advice I got, and tried to pass along, was regarding ATI drivers, and this changed somewhere along the way. ATI being taken over by AMD, or something to that effect. If someone reading this goes to 10.5.8, I believe it stands: it is suggested that you should stay with the Apple supplied drivers. Thank You for bringing this to my attention. There are no downloadable drivers for radeon cards for any version of OSX to my knowledge - just the rom updates and the ATI Displays Preferences pane - a visit to ati.amd.com will confirm that. Pete Humble Pie Recipe # 873.9 You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Go on and use the ones that came with the enclosed CDs, and let us know how that works for ya ... Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
External FW HD/CCC Update, and G4 Mac Mini -- Help!
Hiya Listers, I'm sorry I didn't update anybody with the issue I had getting the contents of my two internal HDs on my G4/867 Quicksilver cloned to the OWC external FW drive, but I only just got it solved the day before yesterday. Nothing worked until CCC came out with an update to version 3.3 the day before yesterday. I downloaded it, it installed itself, and THEN finally, I got those cloned firewire backups! The data is all there, anyway, which was all I had on my original external backup drive; I can't test their bootability because the Quicksilver has decided not to do Option/Restarts anymore (and that's a subject for another post, although I think I should try it with another keyboard first in case maybe it's just that the Option keys aren't working on this one). However, since I did get the OWC FW drive up and running as the new, bigger backup, I decided it was time to get my new Mini set up (and, so I thought, maybe ITS Option-Restart would work and I could test the OWC backups for bootability on there (not to mention I need to pull stuff from there into the Mini anyway). So about this Mini here. I bought it on the Swap List a couple months ago. When it arrived, I hooked it up to a spare monitor, mouse and keyboard, and it booted up just fine. Thing is, I wanted to zero its HD and reinstall the OS to make it all mine. Since it came with its original system disks, I'd be able to do it, so I thought. The Mini is a G4 1.5 GHz with Tiger 10.4.2. I bought it specifically because it's way wonderfully hot to play a retro game (the 1.5 GHz processor and its 1 GB RAM) AND because its running 10.4.2, the highest OS which won't muck up aspects of the graphics on my Sims game -- I want to make the Mini my pure Simming machine -- I planned to take my installations of the game off the Quicksilver once I get them up and running on the Mini. Okay, so yesterday evening I cleaned up the Mini, but noticed some IMO weird stuff during the OS installation and setup: 1. Booted from system disk with C-key and used Disk Utility to zero off the HD -- but there was never any option to format the drive with OS 9 drivers. I know this Mini cannot BOOT in OS 9, which is fine, but it SHOULD be able to run Classic Mode, which I'd LIKE if possible. Don't I need the OS 9 drivers installed to set it up to be able to run Classic? The actual installation of the OS from the system disks goes OK (and apparently the second of the two has OS 9 for Classic on it so I assume it's being installed somehow despite the lack of being able to adjust the disk reformat to include OS 9 drivers), but at the end when it goes into the Welcome To Tiger part where you configure your setup, either it got weird or I screwed up big time. Here's what happened: 2. When it asked me if I wanted to transfer my settings from another Mac, I got the (not so?) bright idea that maybe instead of entering them all in one at a time, maybe I could bring them in from my Memory Alpha Firewire partition -- and Firewire is hot swappable, right? -- so I clicked transfer from another Mac and plugged a Firewire cable from the Mini's FW port to the second port in the OWC external drive. Result: the monitor went dark and I think the Mini did too. I say I THINK the Mini did too because I couldn't tell! I shuddered to do this but it was the only way I could think to to make sure the Mini would be off so I could try rebooting it again: power strip off, then power strip on. I never ever do this when I can think of any other options, but I didn't know what else to do in this case. In any event, it wouldn't boot and I ended up doing it a few times. In each instance from the beginning: A. Mini would not boot pressing power switch alone, from its own HD (probably since I hadn't gotten done configuring my account?). B. Mini would not boot from the system disk (me pressing the C-key). Which leaves me with a system disk trapped in the machine which I can't get out. So, C. Mini would not boot when I held down the power button and the mouse's left side clicker, so... D. Finally got it to boot/spit out the disk when I connected a one button regular old Apple optical mouse to it. So I count my blessings and configure my account manually. When that's done, I check System Preferences and note, happily, that the Mini's HD is now the startup disk, but, not so happily -- there is no 9 or any other indication of a place to set Classic preferences. I then reinsert the second system disk which had the OS 9 on it and tried to install the OS 9 but the machine says I don't have to. Also by this time I notice the little tiny light on the lower right from the CD/DVD slot. Okay, I reluctantly decide to live without being able to run Classic on this machine, I eject the disk, and now it's time to move those Sims games from the Firewire external HD into the Mini, so I plug the FW drive back in -- and both the Mini and the monitor drop
Re: External FW HD/CCC Update, and G4 Mac Mini -- Help!
At 10:26 AM -0400 10/31/2009, yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: Mini is a G4 1.5 GHz with Tiger 10.4.2. I know this Mini cannot BOOT in OS 9, which is fine, but it SHOULD be able to run Classic Mode, which I'd LIKE if possible. Don't I need the OS 9 drivers installed to set it up to be able to run Classic? No, you don't need the OS 9 drivers installed to run Classic. Classic smells like a normal application to OS X. All i/o is funneled thru OS X - so only OS X needs to know the hardware. A. Mini would not boot pressing power switch alone, from its own HD (probably since I hadn't gotten done configuring my account?). [snip] Yersinia and I have been chatting on IM. She's not getting a bong from the Mini now, so I'm thinking the first step, given the age of the beast and its non-continuous use, is to replace the battery. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Webcam Question
OK, I have a webcam I want to try to set up (I seem to have lost the
connector to my digital camera so cannot use it)
The trouble is, I cannot find it online so I need some help.
It looks sorta like a space station (an orb in shape) and says STAR
WARS on the top.
It takes 4 AA batteries
On the back it says this:
C 2005 Hasbro
C 2005 Lucasfilm Ltd.
All Rights Reserved
Made in China C-031D
Rating: 6.0V (solid line over 3 dashes) (DC) 1.4W
Battery: 4x AA or LR6
{Area you plug it in}
AV (symbol) Off On
CableDC IN 6V
Ideas? I can only find 2 Star Wars webcams.R2-D2 and Darth Vader's
TIE Fighter
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Steve Conrad
Henrietta, MO 64036
The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
to go forth and claim our place in outer space.
- Capt. Henry Gloval
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Help Bunny Take Over The World!
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