Best OS for MDD

[Jonas Ulrich]

Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have a MDD Tower with the
following specs:

Hardware Overview:

  Machine Name: Power Mac G4
  Machine Model:PowerMac3,6
  CPU Type: PowerPC G4  (2.1)
  Number Of CPUs:   2
  CPU Speed:1 GHz
  L2 Cache (per CPU):   256 KB
  L3 Cache (per CPU):   2 MB
  Memory:   2 GB
  Bus Speed:133 MHz
  Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2

What would be the fastest/best OS for this?

Thanks!
-Jonas

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Re: Apple update

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

> On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:51 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
> 
>> Again I ask has anyone else had RipIT fail due to the recent Apple update? 
>> Or any other applications?
> 
> No. My dual 2.3 G5 w/10.5.8 works with RipIT and all other applications after 
> the recent Security Update.
> 
> I did have troubles with the Security Update. If I remember, it stalled 
> during the initial restart and became non-responsive. Next restart stalled 
> again. A Safe Boot went OK, and the subsequent normal restart seemed OK. 
> Everything checked out OK with Disk Utility, and I've had no further problems 
> so far.


I have a dual 2.7 and  it is 10.5.8 My RipIT is 1.4.1 and still no cigar. The 
MBP is 10.6.3 and same issue. If I go back to before the update it works. I'm 
now going to make a CCC and reinstall the update again. But strange it would be 
on two different platforms.
 
John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Safe Mode?

[Bill Connelly]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

How do I get to safe mode on a Mac G-4 DA with dual processors?  I  
keep seeing references to safe mode and am wondering how one gets  
there. Thanks, Dennis




http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1455

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Safe Mode?

[Dennis Myhand]

How do I get to safe mode on a Mac G-4 DA with dual processors?  I keep 
seeing references to safe mode and am wondering how one gets there. 
Thanks, Dennis


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Re: Apple update

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:51 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

Again I ask has anyone else had RipIT fail due to the recent Apple  
update? Or any other applications?


No. My dual 2.3 G5 w/10.5.8 works with RipIT and all other  
applications after the recent Security Update.


I did have troubles with the Security Update. If I remember, it  
stalled during the initial restart and became non-responsive. Next  
restart stalled again. A Safe Boot went OK, and the subsequent normal  
restart seemed OK. Everything checked out OK with Disk Utility, and  
I've had no further problems so far.


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Re: Apple update

[John Martz]

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:01 PM, John Carmonne  wrote:
> it's perfectly legal to copy your DVDs if you can

My understanding has been that, yes, you have a right to make backups
for your personal use of copyrighted material which you have
purchased. This is allowed as a "fair use" of the copyrighted
material.

HOWEVER, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) forbids (?) using
a program to circumvent copy protection of digital media.

So you have every right to make a "fair use"  copy of the material,
it's just illegal to use the tools which would actually let you make a
copy.

I'm (obviously) not a lawyer so perhaps I'm just completely wrong. Oh, well.

-irrational john

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Re: Apple update

[John Carmonne]

 Well maybe it's for the better, you really should stop pirating
 movies, it's a violation of federal law.
 
 --
 Best Regards,
 
 John Musbach
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> FYI "Snarky John" I happen to own said movies.:-)
>> 
>> Yep. People should be able to make backups of intellectual property
>> that they already own.
>> 
>> Alex
> 
> 
> And they can... legally.
> 
> JT
> 


Again I ask has anyone else had RipIT fail due to the recent Apple update? Or 
any other applications?

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Apple update

[James Therrault]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Alexander MacLeod wrote:

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:55 PM, John Carmonne   
wrote:




Well maybe it's for the better, you really should stop pirating
movies, it's a violation of federal law.

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John Musbach




FYI "Snarky John" I happen to own said movies.:-)


Yep. People should be able to make backups of intellectual property
that they already own.

Alex



And they can... legally.

JT




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Re: Apple update

[James Therrault]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Peter wrote:


It still would be illegal to make copies ;-)

Peter M.



Legal precedent in several court cases upheld the right to make  
personal copies of copyrighted material for personal use.


JT






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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:55:12
To: 
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Well maybe it's for the better, you really should stop pirating
movies, it's a violation of federal law.

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FYI "Snarky John" I happen to own said movies.:-)





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Re: Your next G4 project!

[James Therrault]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Dan wrote:


At 1:54 PM -0700 4/1/2010, John Niven wrote:

http://www.weirdomatic.com/funny-mailboxes.html

Check out the very last photo for your next G4 project!


Very cool.  Regretfully, it would last less than 24 hours here.   
The kids from the HS down the street have a thing for using  
baseball bats... :\





- Dan.




That's when you need to fabricate an "official" looking mailbox out  
of half inch HY-80 attached to the ground with a four inch high  
tensile steel pole set in twenty-five pounds of concrete...


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Re: Apple update

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

> 
> 
>   Also I bet Apple did this on purpose to mess people up with copying...


I'll go for that I'm sure RipIT will get it going they're a legit company and 
the application isn't free nor is the Apple or the DVD. it's perfectly legal to 
copy your DVDs 
if you can, hence the need for high octane rippers:-) even the "MotherShip" 
wants you to make copies of your system disks when you buy a machine why else 
would Disk Utility have the .cdr option?


John Carmonne
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Re: Apple update

[Richard Gerome]

   Also I bet Apple did this on purpose to mess people up with copying...



-Original Message-
>From: John Carmonne 
>Sent: Apr 3, 2010 7:31 PM
>To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Apple update
>
>Hi All
> 
>Apple recently sent out a fairly large update, I got mine on Monday I think. 
>Any way I noticed after installing it that on of my ripper applications 
>stopped working. RipIT is Leopard only and really works well. I updated  
>"10.6.3 MBP Intel" and  "10.5.8 PM G5 " both systems have caused RipIT to 
>fail. I went back to my CCC and it works fine. I'm wondering if anyone else 
>out there has the same experience? I reported it to The Little App Factory and 
>they say they're trying to duplicate the problem.  I don't think it's my stuff 
>because I go back to the CCCs just before the Apple update and all is fine. 
>
>
>John Carmonne
>Yorba Linda USA
>Sent from my MBP
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Apple update

[Richard Gerome]

   FYI: It's not illegal to copy them it is only illegal if you copy and sell 
them... And you could copy and sell if you pay the proper royalty fees to 
everyone and get the proper lic's...




-Original Message-
>From: John Carmonne 
>Sent: Apr 3, 2010 7:31 PM
>To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Apple update
>
>Hi All
> 
>Apple recently sent out a fairly large update, I got mine on Monday I think. 
>Any way I noticed after installing it that on of my ripper applications 
>stopped working. RipIT is Leopard only and really works well. I updated  
>"10.6.3 MBP Intel" and  "10.5.8 PM G5 " both systems have caused RipIT to 
>fail. I went back to my CCC and it works fine. I'm wondering if anyone else 
>out there has the same experience? I reported it to The Little App Factory and 
>they say they're trying to duplicate the problem.  I don't think it's my stuff 
>because I go back to the CCCs just before the Apple update and all is fine. 
>
>
>John Carmonne
>Yorba Linda USA
>Sent from my MBP
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Apple update

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Alexander MacLeod wrote:

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:55 PM, John Carmonne   
wrote:




Well maybe it's for the better, you really should stop pirating
movies, it's a violation of federal law.

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John Musbach




FYI "Snarky John" I happen to own said movies.:-)


Yep. People should be able to make backups of intellectual property
that they already own.

Alex


Handbrake & AppleTV for us!  with plenty of iTunes movies.

Jeff

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Re: Apple update

[Alexander MacLeod]

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:55 PM, John Carmonne  wrote:
>
>>
>> Well maybe it's for the better, you really should stop pirating
>> movies, it's a violation of federal law.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> John Musbach
>
>
>
> FYI "Snarky John" I happen to own said movies.:-)

Yep. People should be able to make backups of intellectual property
that they already own.

Alex

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Re: Apple update

[Peter]

It still would be illegal to make copies ;-)

Peter M.

Sent from my BlackBerry®

-Original Message-
From: John Carmonne 
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:55:12 
To: 
Subject: Re: Apple update


> 
> Well maybe it's for the better, you really should stop pirating
> movies, it's a violation of federal law.
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> 
> John Musbach



FYI "Snarky John" I happen to own said movies.:-)


John Carmonne
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Sent from my MBP






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Re: Apple update

[John Carmonne]

> 
> Well maybe it's for the better, you really should stop pirating
> movies, it's a violation of federal law.
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> 
> John Musbach



FYI "Snarky John" I happen to own said movies.:-)


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Apple update

[John Musbach]

On 4/3/10, John Carmonne  wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Apple recently sent out a fairly large update, I got mine on Monday I think.
> Any way I noticed after installing it that on of my ripper applications
> stopped working. RipIT is Leopard only and really works well. I updated
> "10.6.3 MBP Intel" and  "10.5.8 PM G5 " both systems have caused RipIT to
> fail. I went back to my CCC and it works fine. I'm wondering if anyone else
> out there has the same experience? I reported it to The Little App Factory
> and they say they're trying to duplicate the problem.  I don't think it's my
> stuff because I go back to the CCCs just before the Apple update and all is
> fine.

Well maybe it's for the better, you really should stop pirating
movies, it's a violation of federal law.

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Apple update

[John Carmonne]

Hi All
 
Apple recently sent out a fairly large update, I got mine on Monday I think. 
Any way I noticed after installing it that on of my ripper applications stopped 
working. RipIT is Leopard only and really works well. I updated  "10.6.3 MBP 
Intel" and  "10.5.8 PM G5 " both systems have caused RipIT to fail. I went back 
to my CCC and it works fine. I'm wondering if anyone else out there has the 
same experience? I reported it to The Little App Factory and they say they're 
trying to duplicate the problem.  I don't think it's my stuff because I go back 
to the CCCs just before the Apple update and all is fine. 


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Cube processor upgrade?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

>
> That's also why I never buy online unless my firends know what and who they
> bough from. That's also why I do most of my work on my own, just like john.
>

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Re: Your next G4 project!

[Dan]

At 1:54 PM -0700 4/1/2010, John Niven wrote:

http://www.weirdomatic.com/funny-mailboxes.html

Check out the very last photo for your next G4 project!


Very cool.  Regretfully, it would last less than 24 hours here.  The 
kids from the HS down the street have a thing for using baseball 
bats... :\




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Re: Kernel Panics, Was: Re: Cube processor upgrade?

[James Therrault]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:



On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:07 PM, James Therrault wrote:


Buyer always should beware...  That said, I purchased a G4  
PowerBook on eBay about three years ago and recently it had a  
kernel panic.  My cure was to boot in safe mode, run MacJanitor  
and yup, it has booted fine ever since.  Usually all of my Macs  
run 24/7, (including sleep periods), and I seldom if ever run into  
system problems.  My G4 Gigabit desktop has been running Tiger  
without issue ever since it came out.


Other than serious hardware issues, most Mac problems can be  
solved by the user IMO.


But that's just me...



FWIW (may be off topic?):

I had kps on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz recently ... I think it was due  
to the "massive" Software Update for 10.5 8 Apple sent us all  
recently ...


My setup has a complication of a PCI card, whose drivers don't care  
for updates to the system ... M-Audio 2496. I also had added an  
IOGEAR USB 2 card, which I thought my audio card was playing well  
with ...


I usually got good results from applejack in autopilot mode ...

Fix: I chose to zero out my OS X partition, and CCC an old backup  
to it to stop the mess ... removing cards, and trying to boot just  
made things worse ... B-Tree hierarchy error or something ...  
probably a DIskWarrior fix, but I don't have it.



Yes, all bets are off when you divert from original equipment.  My G4 
(s) are all original except for an additional SCSI card in the tower.


JT

(Who no longer likes to tinker...)

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Bill Connelly]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:




I'm still in Tiger land (10.4.11). I used to have this 2496 card in  
an older Quicksilver with the same quirky KaPows (kernel panics). M- 
Audio hasn't updated their drivers in a long time, I'm not surprised  
that they would have incorrect permissions in Leopard (10.5). I had  
recently done a clean install on my G5 after hard drive failure,  
with no change in KP behavior - even on a brand new OS install with  
the most recent drivers.


My solution? I'm going to an external digital audio solution and  
dumping the 2496. I sometimes need portable audio and XLR  
connections. Unfortunately, USB seems to rule the roost - I would  
really prefer firewire and something like the Edirol FA-66, but  
unfortunately they are hard to find. I'm looking at the Mbox 2. They  
seem to be getting really good reviews and are well supported in the  
Mac universe. Only problem, they come with Pro Tools, which is an  
(Arg!) M-Audio product! Garage Band here I come ;-)


Stephen


Hi Stephen (and others on the list)

If you read the other thread "Re: Kernal Panics, Was ...", you'll see  
the trouble I just had ... seem to be back up ... til the next kp ...


I'm doing some VHS to DV conversion, and I read along the way that USB  
wasn't as good as FW when it comes to real time transfer of data ...  
USB is in bursts and FW is more continuous (as I understand it).


Not sure how this applies to audio ... if you're just transferring  
recorded data it might be ok ... if you're digitizing audio, its not,  
as I see it. But if you're going from today's devices to the Mac,  
you're already digitized ...


May have nothing to do with your application ... I had wanted to merge  
my Yamaha motif es8 keyboard output, with Sibelius playback, and  
possibly mix in my horn recording at a later date. Trying to do this  
in real time ... using Sibelius / Keyboard as my accompanist.


All controlled by my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz tied together by a  
Mackie 1402 VLZPro mixer ...


Wonder if there's a way we could fix those access / permissions and  
such?


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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

On 4/2/10 6:51 AM, billycar_G3-5 wrote:

This is the behavior I referred to above (I don't know what other
audio card to suggest):

Having recently downloaded a lot of upgrades (FCE 4, Quicktime,
iTunes, Security update, etc) ...

I just got 3 kps in a row ... 2 between restart using the Programmer's
button ... 1 on next Cold Boot ... finally went through, after I
turned on a FW device I had turned off during the last session where
the Mac seemed to be running well (not sure if this is this kps
cause).

I noticed each kp seemed to load more, by looking at the end of the
panic log (not the top) ... don't know how to pinpoint the problem.
Its possibly not the M-Audio drivers ... possibly a problem with M-
Audio setting of Permissions ... their Uninstall doesn't work under
Leopard, and I have to Uninstall manually ... tells me their support
is incomplete ...

Any suggestions?

I'm now using "applejack" in Single User Mode to autopilot a possible
solution ... Repairs Disk, Permissions, empties caches, etc.



I'm still in Tiger land (10.4.11). I used to have this 2496 card in an 
older Quicksilver with the same quirky KaPows (kernel panics). M-Audio 
hasn't updated their drivers in a long time, I'm not surprised that they 
would have incorrect permissions in Leopard (10.5). I had recently done 
a clean install on my G5 after hard drive failure, with no change in KP 
behavior - even on a brand new OS install with the most recent drivers.


My solution? I'm going to an external digital audio solution and dumping 
the 2496. I sometimes need portable audio and XLR connections. 
Unfortunately, USB seems to rule the roost - I would really prefer 
firewire and something like the Edirol FA-66, but unfortunately they are 
hard to find. I'm looking at the Mbox 2. They seem to be getting really 
good reviews and are well supported in the Mac universe. Only problem, 
they come with Pro Tools, which is an (Arg!) M-Audio product! Garage 
Band here I come ;-)


Stephen

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Re: Kernel Panics, Was: Re: Cube processor upgrade?

[Bill Connelly]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:07 PM, James Therrault wrote:


Buyer always should beware...  That said, I purchased a G4 PowerBook  
on eBay about three years ago and recently it had a kernel panic.   
My cure was to boot in safe mode, run MacJanitor and yup, it has  
booted fine ever since.  Usually all of my Macs run 24/7, (including  
sleep periods), and I seldom if ever run into system problems.  My  
G4 Gigabit desktop has been running Tiger without issue ever since  
it came out.


Other than serious hardware issues, most Mac problems can be solved  
by the user IMO.


But that's just me...



FWIW (may be off topic?):

I had kps on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz recently ... I think it was due to  
the "massive" Software Update for 10.5 8 Apple sent us all recently ...


My setup has a complication of a PCI card, whose drivers don't care  
for updates to the system ... M-Audio 2496. I also had added an IOGEAR  
USB 2 card, which I thought my audio card was playing well with ...


I usually got good results from applejack in autopilot mode ...

Fix: I chose to zero out my OS X partition, and CCC an old backup to  
it to stop the mess ... removing cards, and trying to boot just made  
things worse ... B-Tree hierarchy error or something ... probably a  
DIskWarrior fix, but I don't have it.


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Kernel Panics, Was: Re: Cube processor upgrade?

[James Therrault]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


Well... I should have read the fine print. If those cutstom processors
are only upgrades from the ones of IBM and Motorola, then ok. look,
these days Ican barely trust anyone with fixing my Macs. First they
will say that it has alot of problems, then they charge me big bucks,
and return it to me running into a kernel panic two weeks later. Look,
i just overreacted to what happened when these guys ripped me off on
craigslist. Grrr. If I said anything that's untrue, I only said that
to watch out for scams.



Buyer always should beware...  That said, I purchased a G4 PowerBook  
on eBay about three years ago and recently it had a kernel panic.  My  
cure was to boot in safe mode, run MacJanitor and yup, it has booted  
fine ever since.  Usually all of my Macs run 24/7, (including sleep  
periods), and I seldom if ever run into system problems.  My G4  
Gigabit desktop has been running Tiger without issue ever since it  
came out.


Other than serious hardware issues, most Mac problems can be solved  
by the user IMO.


But that's just me...

JT




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Re: Sawtooth Video card/display issue

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:18 AM, PM7500 wrote:


Not so. Here is a Mac Edition Radeon 7500 with DVI and VGA and NO
ADC.

http://tinyurl.com/yhrkybq


Sorry, you've made a mistake. The link you provided shows a card with  
a VGA and an ADC port, and says that you can get DVI using an ADC-to- 
DVI adapter. AFAIK there are no Mac Edition Radeon 7500's with a  
native DVI port, the only way to get a DVI port on a 7500 is to use an  
expensive adapter; or a flashed PC card as the original questioner  
evidently has.


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Re: TiBook charger

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 7:53 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

I have had this happen on my older tangerine clamshell iBook G3.  
Once i replaced the battery, the light always turns green when  
fully charged.



Well now that I've discharged the battery several times the light is  
working properly. Can someone explain the battery cycle count in the  
profiler to me? What is good, bad and what does the number tell.



JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
carmo...@aol,com

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Re: Basic Video card question....

[Mark Sokolovsky]

>
>  I used macs for more than a year now, but i wouldn't consider myself
> "new" to them. It's just that I never messed around with the video cards.
> Btw, if you want to ask me about the pc to mac transition, it was great.
> macs are better like always. If an Nvidia GeForce 2 MX/MX440 PC video card
> would "supposedly" work in my PM G4 Graphite, show me which pins are pins 3
> & 11. I am prepared to flash that video card and run it in my PM because i'm
> pretty fed up with the ATI RAGE 128PRO's performance. Also, the "PRO" in the
> name of it shouldn't be there. It would be more of a pro if it had more like
> 128MB of VRAM. I perfectly know that Video cards from back then didn't have
> such amounts if VRAM, but i came across an Nvidia GeForce 5700 with 128MB of
> VRAM and it says the MFG date is 7/11/2001. Since my PM was made then, why
> can't they include a top-of-the-line video card option with it?
>

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Re: TiBook charger

[Mark Sokolovsky]

>
>  I have had this happen on my older tangerine clamshell iBook G3. Once i
> replaced the battery, the light always turns green when fully charged.
>

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Re: Quicksilver won't boot into target disk mode

[Mark Sokolovsky]

It's the way it worked for me, so why not try it out?

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Re: Sawtooth Video card/display issue

[Mark Sokolovsky]

>
>  Hmm. i did see a DVI to ADC adapter somewhere on ebay yesterday... It was
> going for i thing around $30. Go check it out. It plugs into DVI and
> converts it to ADC.
>

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Re: Sawtooth Video card/display issue

[PM7500]

Not so. Here is a Mac Edition Radeon 7500 with DVI and VGA and NO
ADC.

http://tinyurl.com/yhrkybq

Don't worry, it's a link to OWC that was extremely long so I shortened
it.

On Apr 2, 4:42 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Apr 2, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Noah wrote:
>
> > An ATI Radeon 7500's currently connected to my DVI monitor (as  
> > opposed to a VGA connection
> > and it used to be to a different monitor).
>
> The OEM Apple Radeon 7500 from the 2002 Quicksilver is ADC & VGA ports  
> only, so if your Radeon 7500 has a DVI port, it's definitely a flashed  
> PC card rather than an OEM Apple card. Since there was only one Mac  
> ROM for this card, and no Mac 7500 ever supported DVI, this is likely  
> the problem. If it is, the easiest solution is to use the VGA port  
> instead.

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Re: Basic Video card question....

[Steve Thompson]

On 02/04/2010 17:49, Kris Tilford wrote:


A PCI graphics card has throughput of 1/2 AGP. The slowest Mac AGP 
slot is AGP x2, so minimally a the slowest AGP card has 4 times the 
throughput of your PCI card, and perhaps 8 times if you have a G4 with 
AGP x4 slot.


You aren't getting any Quartz Extreme or Core Image acceleration with 
your Radeon 9200 PCI, although you can enable Quartz Extreme 
acceleration with PCI Extreme 3.1 available at MacUpdate. It works 
with 10.4.11.
Tried that, didn work, locked up with a blue screen, I now know how to 
get into OSX safe mode!

Steve

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