Re: Sawtooth replacement
I do think a MDD will last you at least two years, but you’re the only one who can decide... Here a few thoughts: - MDDs support harddisks larger than 128GB (without extra hard- or software). - They are nicknamed windtunnel, meaning that they are rather noisy. An MDD also leaves you some cash for upgrades: - MDDs have only USB 1.1, so you may want to add a USB2 PCI card. (Or use FireWire, for free.) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth replacement
From: Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, 16 August, 2010 12:40:33 Subject: Re: Sawtooth replacement I do think a MDD will last you at least two years, but you’re the only one who can decide... Here a few thoughts: - MDDs support harddisks larger than 128GB (without extra hard- or software). - They are nicknamed windtunnel, meaning that they are rather noisy. An MDD also leaves you some cash for upgrades: - MDDs have only USB 1.1, so you may want to add a USB2 PCI card. (Or use FireWire, for free.) Alternatively, I have a dual 2.0GHz early 2005 G5 with two HDs in it, one with 10.5.8 for everyday use, and one with 10.4.11 for using Classic. Trouble-free in the 2yrs+ I've had it. Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I need help, connecting a extra HD to my G3 B W
Robert Long wrote: Hello group, I am trying to add an additional HD to my G3. Here is the info I copied from my machine. My G 3 is a blue I assume you mean blue and white - The rev 1 motherboards have a issue here only 1 drive can be used on the (IDE/ATA) hard drive bus. search the list archives for more info. and the info on it is; CD rom and ATA hard drive, PCI slot $J12 display card, 4 MB disk cache. Virtual memory; 129 MB, Built in Memory 128 MB, backside L2 cache 512 K cache, Machine speed is 300 MHz, processor info PowerPC G3. It connects to internet via ethernet cable. It is not wifi capable yet and I want to up the memory and add a DVD drive and any other recommendations you wish to make. So if you have any info you don't mind sharing, let it fly. I observed that the connection from the HD to the MB are female and there is one spare connection. Can I connect another HD and what type of cable or connection do I need? I have been given sever HDs, 20 gb and 40 gb. Are they IDE or SCSI? If scsi it will need a SCSI pci card for use under OS X. I don't know if there was ever a SCSI card that worked with OS X. I don't know at this point if they are any good yet. If I get the right cable or connection I will try them and use it. thanks in advance Robert Long -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Need an old SCSI Manager (from OS 8.0 or earlier)
Hello, Beige G3 with OS 8.1 here. I have an old scanner application which conflicts with the SCSI Manager of OS 8.1. I was told I have to replace the SCSI Manager with an older version: from OS 8.0 or OS 7.6. I have no ideas how to do that. Can anyone help? Where could I find the needed files? Thanks a lot, Fernando -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I need help, connecting a extra HD to my G3 B W
On Aug 15, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Robert Long wrote: I observed that the connection from the HD to the MB are female and there is one spare connection. Can I connect another HD and what type of cable or connection do I need? I have been given sever HDs, 20 gb and 40 gb. I don't know at this point if they are any good yet. If I get the right cable or connection I will try them and use it. Rev 1s came with a single drive cable. Rev 2s came with a two drive cable. You might have a Rev 2. Check for -402 on the IDE chip. If it is there, yours is a Rev. 2. If -402 is not present, yours is a Rev 1. Rev 1s cannot reliably support two HDs on the HD bus, but they CAN support a second HD on the optical bus as this uses a different chip. I run three HDs in all my remainng PPC Macs. I usually have a smallish (200 GB) HD in where the Zip drive used to be. My main drive tray has a 160 GB drive on the bottom and a 500 GB drive on the top. Failsafe partitioning is used for compatibility with pre-QS 2002 machines, although I am now using the very same drives on my QS 2002 machines. Basically, you partition the drives with a 131,072 MB partition and all the remaining space on another partition. Then, you go back and break the below the 131,072 MB 'line' partition as required. Usually, I leave the above the 131,072 MB 'line' partition alone, but that, too, can be further broken down as required. A pre-QS 2002 machine can only boot from below the 131,072 MB line. There are no restrictions on QS 2002 and later PPCs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I need help, connecting a extra HD to my G3 B W
On 8/16/10 12:07 AM, Robert Long texasche...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello group, I am trying to add an additional HD to my G3. Here is the info I copied from my machine. My G 3 is a blue and the info on it is; CD rom and ATA hard drive, PCI slot $J12 display card, 4 MB disk cache. Virtual memory; 129 MB, Built in Memory 128 MB, backside L2 cache 512 K cache, Machine speed is 300 MHz, processor info PowerPC G3. It connects to internet via ethernet cable. It is not wifi capable yet and I want to up the memory and add a DVD drive and any other recommendations you wish to make. So if you have any info you don't mind sharing, let it fly. I observed that the connection from the HD to the MB are female and there is one spare connection. Can I connect another HD and what type of cable or connection do I need? I have been given sever HDs, 20 gb and 40 gb. I don't know at this point if they are any good yet. If I get the right cable or connection I will try them and use it. thanks in advance Robert Long Hello Robert, To learn more about which Power Mac G3 (B+W, nicknamed ³Smurf²) you have, go here: http://lowendmac.com/ppc/blue-white-power-mac-g3.html And here: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/newfeatures.html And here: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_300_bl.h tml This will be important when addressing your desire to add a second HD to your system. Rev. 1 G3s cannot address two HDs on the primary ATA bus, Rev. 2 G3s can. Check to see which revision your motherboard is. You say there¹s a ³spare connection² to the motherboard regarding the HD. Do you mean there is a second plug-in connector on the HD data cable? If so, and presuming your cable is OEM, that is a good sign. Look also at the hard drive bracket/sled that the present hard drive is attached to: it should have sides that rise above the hard drive, allowing you to attach a stacked 2nd HD above it. If all is well with the 2nd rev. issue, your original HD will be on the bottom, serving as ³Master² and your top drive will be the ³slave² (as always, master drive is attached to the end of the cable, slave drive is plugged into the middle socket-set jumpers on each drive accordingly). RAM is PC-100. Highest amount per stick is 256Mb (low density, iirc), x4 = maximum total of 1 Gb of memory. Presuming you want some flavor of OS X, max out the RAM, which is cheap enough and worth the performance. (BTW, if you do this, and switch to OS X, then virtual memory will be a moot point. That you mentioned it tells me you¹ve got OS 9 or earlier on this machine). Your CD drive can be easily replaced with any compatible DVD-RW drive with little if any concern for drivers, etc. If you are in OS-X (10.4.11 is as high as you can go, which is good for this germane point), WI-FI is easily obtained via adding a PCI wireless adapter card; as long as it has the Broad COM chipset, Airport will recognize the card as Airport-compatible. The last challenge will be your video card, which will have to be PCI-based; an ATI Radeon 32Mb of various flavors (Mac Ed., Radeon 7000, 7500, et.al.) will be what to look for. Try to get as many of these items at our LEM swap list; here you¹ll find enough savvy sellers who can help you make sure you are getting the right items for your project. Keep costs as low as possible, otherwise what you¹ll spend will easily outpace the worth of the project (short of doing it for the love of a surprisingly still-viable Mac unit). Best wishes, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Recommended bootable external Firewire drives for G4 MDD Dual-1Gb
On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:08 AM, artemis wrote: Thanks everybody for your advice and input - I now feel way better informed to make a choice and am going drive- shopping this week . . . Dan, I tried setting up a clone and booting it from a couple of my USB externals using the option key as you suggested - in my case, the drive appeared in the list - but when I selected it, it wouldn't launch (even when left for a half- hour) - not do-able with those particular external cases, I guess! If the USB drive is fully powered up by an external power supply and it shows in the option list and boot fails I really don't think it's the fault of the enclosure. I do this on my G4 PM MDD's with any USB drive I grab as long as it's externally powered up. I think maybe the CCC is funny. If you have OS9 on your machine you can check this by booting USB with a powered drive from OS9 the startup disk preference. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Recommended bootable external Firewire drives for G4 MDD Dual-1Gb
I would also look at the OWC On-the-go mini-Firewire drives. (They come in different connection flavors as do the full size OWC products.) I think other companies put out similar ones. The drive can operate with power from the computer's Firewire port or a separate power adapter (used to come with; now, OWC sells separately). These are compact, come in much larger sizes than the early days and can be purchased with 7200 rpm mechanisms. I have used one as the boot drive for an Ibook for many years. AND-I have been able to boot both iBooks and a G4 DA machine from these drives on USB power ALONE, without using the power adapter. Very useful. Too bad the PC world hasn't really adopted Firewire, and I know USB 3 is on the way. We would have more choices and prices for Firewire. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Stuck with safe boot
Evening all, My MDD is playing up. When booting normally it gets as far as the blue screen (before the login window appears) and that's it. Most annoying. I can do a safe boot (holding shift) and it'll boot and be useable, but it's not quite the same. So far I have tried running the 10.5.8 combo update (this has fixed things in the past), resetting the PRAM, running applejack in AUTO mode, and letting onyx do everything in it's automation panel. Disk utility has verified/repaired permissions and verified the boot disk is ok. Any ideas? The specs are: Dual 1.25 2gb of ram Leopard 10.5.8 Airport card USB card Radeon 9800 The symptoms started after I pulled the gpu to give the fan a bit of a clean, if that helps any? Cheers for any assistance! Mike -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Stuck with safe boot
On Aug 16, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Mike Linnett wrote: Evening all, My MDD is playing up. When booting normally it gets as far as the blue screen (before the login window appears) and that's it. Most annoying. Snip The symptoms started after I pulled the gpu to give the fan a bit of a clean, if that helps any? Try resetting the Radeon card, or find out what got dislodged when you removed it or blasted it with air. If by 'pulled the gpu' means you actually removed things FROM the Radeon card, I'd look to reseat the thing. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Stuck with safe boot
On 17 Aug 2010, at 00:14, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Aug 16, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Mike Linnett wrote: Evening all, My MDD is playing up. When booting normally it gets as far as the blue screen (before the login window appears) and that's it. Most annoying. Snip The symptoms started after I pulled the gpu to give the fan a bit of a clean, if that helps any? Try resetting the Radeon card, or find out what got dislodged when you removed it or blasted it with air. If by 'pulled the gpu' means you actually removed things FROM the Radeon card, I'd look to reseat the thing. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs Hmm, haven't tried reseating the card, simple things eh? Cheers Bruce. I removed the fan from the card, blasted it with air and screwed it back on, but that's it, nothing too technical. It all displays fine if I do a safe boot, but I'd prefer to not have to do that forever. Mike -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Stuck with safe boot
On Aug 16, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Mike Linnett wrote: Evening all, My MDD is playing up. When booting normally it gets as far as the blue screen (before the login window appears) and that's it. Most annoying. Snip The symptoms started after I pulled the gpu to give the fan a bit of a clean, if that helps any? Do you have an old, maybe original to the MDD, video card to use to see that other things are in order after a Safe Boot? Then replace the Radeon 9800. Something about my Radeon 9800 Pro made it a bit finicky in my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz. Once found it better to do a Software Combo Update with the original nVidia GeForce 4MX in lieu of the 9800 ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
USB plug case sparks
I've got a G5 PowerMac which has the full metal case. Last night I was plugging and unplugging a powered USB hub in the dark, and I noticed that simply touching the metal of the USB plug to the metal of the case caused a small visible spark between the plug and the case. This seems wrong to me, and I'm a little worried. The spark was very tiny, but it was consistent, and wasn't enough to do anything abnormal like pop a fuse or ruin anything. The hub works fine still, but somehow this seems wrong. Has anyone else seen sparks between USB plugs and their cases? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB plug case sparks
On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I've got a G5 PowerMac which has the full metal case. Last night I was plugging and unplugging a powered USB hub in the dark, and I noticed that simply touching the metal of the USB plug to the metal of the case caused a small visible spark between the plug and the case. This seems wrong to me, and I'm a little worried. The spark was very tiny, but it was consistent, and wasn't enough to do anything abnormal like pop a fuse or ruin anything. The hub works fine still, but somehow this seems wrong. Has anyone else seen sparks between USB plugs and their cases? I've seen it on one of the Cubes and it's unsettling so I'm very careful about plugging in live now. I did ruin a TiBook with a power adapter 6mos ago. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
