Re: Sawtooth replacement

2010-08-16 Thread Geke
I do think a MDD will last you at least two years, but you’re the only
one who can decide... Here a few thoughts:
- MDDs support harddisks larger than 128GB (without extra hard- or
software).
- They are nicknamed windtunnel, meaning that they are rather noisy.

An MDD also leaves you some cash for upgrades:
- MDDs have only USB 1.1, so you may want to add a USB2 PCI card. (Or
use FireWire, for free.)

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Re: Sawtooth replacement

2010-08-16 Thread Ted Treen


From: Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com
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Sent: Monday, 16 August, 2010 12:40:33
Subject: Re: Sawtooth replacement

I do think a MDD will last you at least two years, but you’re the only
one who can decide... Here a few thoughts:
- MDDs support harddisks larger than 128GB (without extra hard- or
software).
- They are nicknamed windtunnel, meaning that they are rather noisy.

An MDD also leaves you some cash for upgrades:
- MDDs have only USB 1.1, so you may want to add a USB2 PCI card. (Or
use FireWire, for free.)


Alternatively, I have a dual 2.0GHz early 2005 G5 with two HDs in it, one with 
10.5.8 for everyday use, and one with 10.4.11 for using Classic.

Trouble-free in the 2yrs+ I've had it.

Ted

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Re: I need help, connecting a extra HD to my G3 B W

2010-08-16 Thread Charles Lenington

Robert Long wrote:
Hello group, I am trying to add an additional HD to my G3.  Here is the 
info I copied from my machine. 

My G 3 is a blue 


I assume you mean blue and white - The rev 1 motherboards have a issue 
here only 1 drive can be used on the (IDE/ATA) hard drive bus. search 
the list archives for more info.


and the info on it is; CD rom and ATA hard drive, PCI

slot $J12 display card,
4 MB disk cache. Virtual memory; 129 MB, Built in Memory 128 MB, 
backside L2 cache 512 K cache, Machine speed is 300 MHz, processor  info 
 PowerPC G3. It connects to  internet via ethernet cable. It is not wifi 
capable yet and I want to up the memory and add a DVD drive and any 
other recommendations you wish to make. So if you have any info you 
don't mind sharing, let it fly.  
I observed that the connection from the HD to the MB are female and 
there is one spare connection. Can I connect another HD and what type of 
cable or connection do I need?  I have been given sever HDs, 20 gb and 
40 gb.  


Are they IDE or SCSI? If scsi it will need a SCSI pci card for use under 
 OS X. I don't know if there was ever a SCSI card that worked with OS X.


I don't know at this point if they are any good yet.  If I get
the right cable or connection I will try them and use it.   


thanks in advance

Robert Long

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Need an old SCSI Manager (from OS 8.0 or earlier)

2010-08-16 Thread XFer
Hello,

Beige G3 with OS 8.1 here.

I have an old scanner application which conflicts with the SCSI
Manager of OS 8.1.

I was told I have to replace the SCSI Manager with an older version:
from OS 8.0 or OS 7.6.

I have no ideas how to do that.

Can anyone help?

Where could I find the needed files?

Thanks a lot,

Fernando

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Re: I need help, connecting a extra HD to my G3 B W

2010-08-16 Thread Peter Haas


On Aug 15, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Robert Long wrote:

I observed that the connection from the HD to the MB are female and  
there is one spare connection. Can I connect another HD and what  
type of cable or connection do I need?  I have been given sever  
HDs, 20 gb and 40 gb.  I don't know at this point if they are any  
good yet.  If I get the right cable or connection I will try them  
and use it.




Rev 1s came with a single drive cable.

Rev 2s came with a two drive cable.

You might have a Rev 2. Check for -402 on the IDE chip. If it is  
there, yours is a Rev. 2. If -402 is not present, yours is a Rev 1.


Rev 1s cannot reliably support two HDs on the HD bus, but they CAN  
support a second HD on the optical bus as this uses a different chip.


I run three HDs in all my remainng PPC Macs. I usually have a  
smallish (200 GB) HD in where the Zip drive used to be.


My main drive tray has a 160 GB drive on the bottom and a 500 GB  
drive on the top.


Failsafe partitioning is used for compatibility with pre-QS 2002  
machines, although I am now using the very same drives on my QS 2002  
machines.


Basically, you partition the drives with a 131,072 MB partition and  
all the remaining space on another partition.


Then, you go back and break the below the 131,072 MB 'line'  
partition as required. Usually, I leave the above the 131,072 MB  
'line' partition alone, but that, too, can be further broken down as  
required.


A pre-QS 2002 machine can only boot from below the 131,072 MB line.  
There are no restrictions on QS 2002 and later PPCs.



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Re: I need help, connecting a extra HD to my G3 B W

2010-08-16 Thread Dana Collins
On 8/16/10 12:07 AM, Robert Long texasche...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hello group, I am trying to add an additional HD to my G3.  Here is the info I
 copied from my machine.
 
 My G 3 is a blue and the info on it is; CD rom and ATA hard drive, PCI slot
 $J12 display card,
 4 MB disk cache. Virtual memory; 129 MB, Built in Memory 128 MB, backside L2
 cache 512 K cache, Machine speed is 300 MHz, processor  info  PowerPC G3. It
 connects to  internet via ethernet cable. It is not wifi capable yet and I
 want to up the memory and add a DVD drive and any other recommendations you
 wish to make. So if you have any info you don't mind sharing, let it fly.
 I observed that the connection from the HD to the MB are female and there is
 one spare connection. Can I connect another HD and what type of cable or
 connection do I need?  I have been given sever HDs, 20 gb and 40 gb.  I don't
 know at this point if they are any good yet.  If I get the right cable or
 connection I will try them and use it.
 
 thanks in advance
 
 Robert Long
 
Hello Robert,

To learn more about which Power Mac G3 (B+W, nicknamed ³Smurf²) you have, go
here:
http://lowendmac.com/ppc/blue-white-power-mac-g3.html
And here:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/newfeatures.html
And here:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_300_bl.h
tml

This will be important when addressing your desire to add a second HD to
your system. Rev. 1 G3s cannot address two HDs on the primary ATA bus, Rev.
2 G3s can. Check to see which revision your motherboard is. You say there¹s
a ³spare connection² to the motherboard regarding the HD. Do you mean there
is a second plug-in connector on the HD data cable? If so, and presuming
your cable is OEM, that is a good sign. Look also at the hard drive
bracket/sled that the present hard drive is attached to: it should have
sides that rise above the hard drive, allowing you to attach a stacked 2nd
HD above it. If all is well with the 2nd rev. issue, your original HD will
be on the bottom, serving as ³Master² and your top drive will be the ³slave²
(as always, master drive is attached to the end of the cable, slave drive is
plugged into the middle socket-set jumpers on each drive accordingly).
RAM is PC-100. Highest amount per stick is 256Mb (low density, iirc), x4 =
maximum total of 1 Gb of memory. Presuming you want some flavor of OS X, max
out the RAM, which is cheap enough and worth the performance. (BTW, if you
do this, and switch to OS X, then virtual memory will be a moot point. That
you mentioned it tells me you¹ve got OS 9 or earlier on this machine).
Your CD drive can be easily replaced with any compatible DVD-RW drive with
little if any concern for drivers, etc.
If you are in OS-X (10.4.11 is as high as you can go, which is good for this
germane point), WI-FI is easily obtained via adding a PCI wireless adapter
card; as long as it has the Broad COM chipset, Airport will recognize the
card as Airport-compatible.
The last challenge will be your video card, which will have to be PCI-based;
an ATI Radeon 32Mb of various flavors (Mac Ed., Radeon 7000, 7500, et.al.)
will be what to look for.

Try to get as many of these items at our LEM swap list; here you¹ll find
enough savvy sellers who can help you make sure you are getting the right
items  for your project. Keep costs as low as possible, otherwise what
you¹ll spend will easily outpace the worth of the project (short of doing it
for the love of a surprisingly still-viable Mac unit).
Best wishes,
Dana 


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Re: Recommended bootable external Firewire drives for G4 MDD Dual-1Gb

2010-08-16 Thread JOHN CARMONNE


On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:08 AM, artemis wrote:


Thanks everybody for your advice and input -

I now feel way better informed to make a choice and am going drive-
shopping this week . . .

Dan, I tried setting up a clone and booting it from a couple of my USB
externals using the option key as you suggested - in my case, the
drive appeared in the list -
but when I selected it, it wouldn't launch (even when left for a half-
hour) - not do-able with those particular external cases, I guess!
 If the USB drive is fully powered up by an external power supply  
and it shows in the option list and boot fails
 I really don't think it's the fault of the enclosure. I do this on  
my G4 PM MDD's with any USB drive I grab as long as it's externally  
powered up.
 I think maybe the CCC is funny. If you have OS9 on your machine you  
can check this by booting USB with a powered drive from OS9 the  
startup disk preference.



JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 800




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Re: Recommended bootable external Firewire drives for G4 MDD Dual-1Gb

2010-08-16 Thread onelucent
I would also look at the OWC On-the-go mini-Firewire drives. (They  
come in different connection flavors as do the full size OWC  
products.)   I think other companies put out similar ones.  The drive  
can operate with power from the computer's Firewire port or a  
separate power adapter (used to come with; now, OWC sells  
separately).  These are compact, come in much larger sizes than the  
early days and can be purchased with 7200 rpm mechanisms.  I have  
used one as the boot drive for an Ibook for many years.  AND-I have  
been able to boot both iBooks and a G4 DA machine from these drives  
on USB power ALONE, without using the power adapter.  Very useful.   
Too bad the PC world hasn't really adopted Firewire, and I know USB 3  
is on the way.  We would have more choices and prices for Firewire.


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Stuck with safe boot

2010-08-16 Thread Mike Linnett
Evening all,
My MDD is playing up. When booting normally it gets as far as the blue screen 
(before the login window appears) and that's it. Most annoying. 
I can do a safe boot (holding shift) and it'll boot and be useable, but it's 
not quite the same. So far I have tried running the 10.5.8 combo update (this 
has fixed things in the past), resetting the PRAM, running applejack in AUTO 
mode, and letting onyx do everything in it's automation panel. Disk utility 
has verified/repaired permissions and verified the boot disk is ok. 
Any ideas?

The specs are:
Dual 1.25
2gb of ram
Leopard 10.5.8
Airport card
USB card
Radeon 9800

The symptoms started after I pulled the gpu to give the fan a bit of a clean, 
if that helps any?

Cheers for any assistance!
Mike

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Re: Stuck with safe boot

2010-08-16 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Aug 16, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Mike Linnett wrote:

 Evening all,
 My MDD is playing up. When booting normally it gets as far as the blue screen 
 (before the login window appears) and that's it. Most annoying. 

Snip

 The symptoms started after I pulled the gpu to give the fan a bit of a clean, 
 if that helps any?

Try resetting the Radeon card, or find out what got dislodged when you removed 
it or blasted it with air.

If by 'pulled the gpu' means you actually removed things FROM the Radeon card, 
I'd look to reseat the thing.


-- 
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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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Re: Stuck with safe boot

2010-08-16 Thread Mike Linnett


On 17 Aug 2010, at 00:14, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 
 On Aug 16, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Mike Linnett wrote:
 
 Evening all,
 My MDD is playing up. When booting normally it gets as far as the blue 
 screen (before the login window appears) and that's it. Most annoying. 
 
 Snip
 
 The symptoms started after I pulled the gpu to give the fan a bit of a 
 clean, if that helps any?
 
 Try resetting the Radeon card, or find out what got dislodged when you 
 removed it or blasted it with air.
 
 If by 'pulled the gpu' means you actually removed things FROM the Radeon 
 card, I'd look to reseat the thing.
 
 
 -- 
 Bruce Johnson
 University of Arizona
 College of Pharmacy
 Information Technology Group
 
 Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
 

Hmm, haven't tried reseating the card, simple things eh? Cheers Bruce.
I removed the fan from the card, blasted it with air and screwed it back on, 
but that's it, nothing too technical. 
It all displays fine if I do a safe boot, but I'd prefer to not have to do that 
forever.

Mike

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Re: Stuck with safe boot

2010-08-16 Thread Bill Connelly



On Aug 16, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Mike Linnett wrote:


Evening all,
My MDD is playing up. When booting normally it gets as far as the  
blue screen (before the login window appears) and that's it. Most  
annoying.


Snip

The symptoms started after I pulled the gpu to give the fan a bit  
of a clean, if that helps any?


Do you have an old, maybe original to the MDD, video card to use to  
see that other things are in order after a Safe Boot?


Then replace the Radeon 9800. Something about my Radeon 9800 Pro made  
it a bit finicky in my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz. Once found it  
better to do a Software Combo Update with the original nVidia GeForce  
4MX in lieu of the 9800 ...


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USB plug case sparks

2010-08-16 Thread Kris Tilford
I've got a G5 PowerMac which has the full metal case. Last night I was  
plugging and unplugging a powered USB hub in the dark, and I noticed  
that simply touching the metal of the USB plug to the metal of the  
case caused a small visible spark between the plug and the case. This  
seems wrong to me, and I'm a little worried. The spark was very tiny,  
but it was consistent, and wasn't enough to do anything abnormal like  
pop a fuse or ruin anything. The hub works fine still, but somehow  
this seems wrong. Has anyone else seen sparks between USB plugs and  
their cases?


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Re: USB plug case sparks

2010-08-16 Thread John Carmonne

On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

 I've got a G5 PowerMac which has the full metal case. Last night I was 
 plugging and unplugging a powered USB hub in the dark, and I noticed that 
 simply touching the metal of the USB plug to the metal of the case caused a 
 small visible spark between the plug and the case. This seems wrong to me, 
 and I'm a little worried. The spark was very tiny, but it was consistent, and 
 wasn't enough to do anything abnormal like pop a fuse or ruin anything. The 
 hub works fine still, but somehow this seems wrong. Has anyone else seen 
 sparks between USB plugs and their cases?
 
 
I've seen it on one of the Cubes and it's unsettling so I'm very careful about 
plugging in live now. I did ruin a TiBook with a power adapter  6mos ago.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP



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