Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
On Jan 23, 3:57 am, Sean Carroll cedarwaxw...@att.net wrote: Current system: Power Mac G4 AGP 450 MHz, 1.25 GB RAM, 160 GB 40 GB hard drives (PATA), Gigabit Ethernet PCI Card, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 and Mac OS 9.2.2 I've found a great deal of useful information about Power Mac G4 AGP CPU upgrades through Low End Mac and scouring the archives here. Personally I wouldn't think a processor upgrade, even a used one, would be worth it if you are getting a new Mac soon. Max out the RAM to 1.5 GB, that should only cost $20 or so. You can also run a freeware utility called Monolingual which will strip out the Intel and G5 architectures from your OS, along with the languages you don't need. It will save around a gig of disk space and let Tiger run much more efficiently. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Fwd: Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
On 1/23/11 9:00 AM, dc wrote: On Jan 23, 3:57 am, Sean Carrollcedarwaxw...@att.net wrote: Current system: Power Mac G4 AGP 450 MHz, 1.25 GB RAM, 160 GB 40 GB hard drives (PATA), Gigabit Ethernet PCI Card, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 and Mac OS 9.2.2 I've found a great deal of useful information about Power Mac G4 AGP CPU upgrades through Low End Mac and scouring the archives here. Personally I wouldn't think a processor upgrade, even a used one, would be worth it if you are getting a new Mac soon. Max out the RAM to 1.5 GB, that should only cost $20 or so. You can also run a freeware utility called Monolingual which will strip out the Intel and G5 architectures from your OS, along with the languages you don't need. It will save around a gig of disk space and let Tiger run much more efficiently. Along with Monolingual, I always use 'Delocalizer' which strips out the country specific stuff to save a bit more room. Note that you often need to do these again after you install new software, as they (by default) install all languages/country specific files again. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini HDD speed
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: If I use an external 3.5 7200 RPM via Firewire 400 will I gain speed over the internal HDD 4200 RPM in my Mac Mini? That's a hard one to guess at. But my guess would be no, I don't think you'd see a gain. Or if there was one, it would not be as large as you hoped. When you connect via Firewire 400 you will never be able to move data faster than Firewire 400's 400Mbps bus speed. I suppose it's possible that a 7200 RPM drive would still appear to perform faster than an internal 4200 RPM, but I wouldn't count on it. More to the point, I feel fairly confident that you would not really be able to tell the difference between a (recent) SATA 5400 versus 7200 when connected via Firewire 400. In other words, if you're going to go with a Firewire 400 external drive I'd suggest going with a 5400 drive and save a few bucks. With the recent improvements in platter bit densities over the last year or two, the throughput of 5400 drives has increased noticeably. The difference between 5400 and 7200 is not as noticeable especially when you put that 400 Mbps cap on the drive throughput. On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Newegg has a large selection of them including large accompanying prices. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEN=18120%20600038505IsNodeId=1name=PATA Anyone care to do the math on what percentage of the current market price of a PPC Mac Mini those PATA SDDs might be? ;-) It is NOT how fast any particular component of a system may be which determines the performance of a system. It's the sum of all the components ... the system itself ... and how they are used ... the applications and OS. In my opinion buying an SSD for a PPC Mini is just throwing money away. If you can afford to throw money at an SSD you'd probably get more bang for your buck by upgrading to a later, Intel version of the Mac Mini. But to each their own ... -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth with ubuntu?
On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Dale Hoffman wrote: Here is a screen image of the installation panel where Flash is mentioned. It appears 2-3 panels into the install process: http://www.margnat.com/tech/Ubuntu/UbuntuInstallFlash.jpg Quote: Ubuntu uses third-party software to display Flash, MP3 and other media, and to work with some wireless hardware. Some of this software is closed-source. That only applies to Intel-based systems; the 'third party' software in this case is supplied by Adobe. It is X86-only. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
I'm using the latest Safari under 10.5.8. A Geforce 4MX video card in my Digital Audio Dual 533. I've begun getting errors in the background of Top Sites. Screen isn't fully black, containing streaks and such. Is it my video card / old Sony G420 CRT monitor / Safari? Haven't seen it anywhere else that I can remember. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
Personally I wouldn't think a processor upgrade, even a used one, would be worth it if you are getting a new Mac soon. Part of the return on the investment would be learning to perform a processor upgrade by doing it. A CPU upgrade would seem to go hand in hand with bringing the computer up to speed in other ways, but I may be overestimating the benefits and underestimating the risks, hence my questions. In any event, the Sawtooth is becoming a hobby, and the payoff will be in the learning and seeing what I can do. I don't expect to recoup any money spent on it. Thanks for mentioning Monolingual. Sounds like a good idea. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Sean Carroll cedarwaxw...@att.net wrote: Personally I wouldn't think a processor upgrade, even a used one, would be worth it if you are getting a new Mac soon. Part of the return on the investment would be learning to perform a processor upgrade by doing it. A CPU upgrade would seem to go hand in hand with bringing the computer up to speed in other ways, but I may be overestimating the benefits and underestimating the risks, hence my questions. In any event, the Sawtooth is becoming a hobby, and the payoff will be in the learning and seeing what I can do. I don't expect to recoup any money spent on it. Relatively speaking it should be cheap. Be sure to max the RAM. You are shopping the LEM swap list also I hope. Don't be afraid of the processor swap. Read up on it. Look at as many mobo pictures and diagrams as you can find so you are oriented to the parts. And relax and breathe so your hands are steady. Good lighting and maybe even magnification might help too. Never let the hardware smell your fear ! Keep saying to yourself It's only an appliance. ( no apologies to nervous Nellies) -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is LogMeIn the answer?
On 2011/01/21 08:05, Jane, (Portland, OR) so eloquently wrote: On Jan 20, 1:34 pm, Tina K.penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011/01/20 19:04, Jane, (Portland, OR) so eloquently wrote: I have heard of LogMeIn, but it looks like you have to pay for it. I don't know how well it works, either. Can any of you recommend a program and how easy it would be to use? What about Screen Sharing in Core Services? That's what I use on the LAN, I've never done remote on the WAN though. I would think with proper configuration it would work (mainly enabling remote access and port forwarding to his PowerBook). Tina LAN means the local network, say in your house, with 2-3 computers connected by an Airport or router, correct? I tried to connect to my MacBookPro and the PowerBook from my new iMac using the GOConnect to Server. I kept getting a message that said incorrect password or user name and I KNOW they were correct. (I use the same one for all the computers.) So I could not connect with Screen Sharing. Also, would I have to be home to use the Screen Sharing? Ok, I finally logged into my 10.4 iMac remotely. In Tiger, you have to open the sharing pref pane, select Apple Remote Desktop, then click the Access Privileges... button. Select the user name you wish to use to login remotely in the top left box and then enable all the service check boxes that you need (I have no clue how to use the reports text msg services). Then, this is the important part, check the VNC viewers may control screen with password box and enter a password authenticate. I thought that leaving this box unchecked would allow you to connect and only have to login, but you have to have a password to even connect first which makes sense now that I think about it. Now you should be able to connect remotely over the LAN with Apple's Screen Sharing, Chicken, or Jolly's Fast VNC. To connect from outside your home network, you'll need to forward port 5900 to your husband's Mac in the router configuration. I think that's all it takes, someone please correct me if I've overlooked something. HTH, Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 8 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1 GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
Thank you, Adrian. Be sure to max the RAM. You are shopping the LEM swap list also I hope. Yes, I just added *some* RAM as a start. Funny, and so typical of me, is that there was a slight error in my calculations (though not a Crucial - pun intended - one). I installed 1 GB RAM total, 2 modules, aglow with thoughts of attaining 1.5 GB. I overlooked that I was also removing 256 MB of RAM in order to do this. So at first, I was wondering why the system wasn't recognizing all the RAM. I'm aware of the LEM swap list. Haven't been there yet, as I've been busy researching the general questions of upgrading. Don't be afraid of the processor swap. Read up on it. Yes. I learned a lot just looking at the PDF instructions for one of the Newer Technology CPU upgrades. Gave me my first real idea of what I could be about to get into. Never let the hardware smell your fear ! Well, I'm certainly less afraid with good advice here to turn to. The Sawtooth is still my one and only, so there's a bit of trepidation at what could go wrong. Keep saying to yourself It's only an appliance. ( no apologies to nervous Nellies) I keep saying to myself, Don't be afraid to admit your ignorance. Ask questions and learn. Try things and learn. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth with ubuntu?
On 1/23/11 10:36 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Dale Hoffman wrote: Here is a screen image of the installation panel where Flash is mentioned. It appears 2-3 panels into the install process: http://www.margnat.com/tech/Ubuntu/UbuntuInstallFlash.jpg Quote: Ubuntu uses third-party software to display Flash, MP3 and other media, and to work with some wireless hardware. Some of this software is closed-source. That only applies to Intel-based systems; the 'third party' software in this case is supplied by Adobe. It is X86-only. add-on for ubuntu, works with PPC - mythbuntu http://www.mythbuntu.org/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth with ubuntu?
On 2011/01/23 16:27, t...@savingus.org so eloquently wrote: add-on for ubuntu, works with PPC - mythbuntu http://www.mythbuntu.org/ I wouldn't call it an add-on, more of a variant like Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc… Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 8 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1 GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
PowerMac G4 in B/W case?
I really love the look of my PowerMac G3 B/Ws but sadly, they just are not useable anymore. As a fun project, I have two 400mhz G4s and a 700mhz G4 PowerMac that are in good working order. First off, how would the motherboards mount up? Secondly, would I need to swap Power Supplies or would the G3 work for the G4 board and vice-versa. Thanks! -Jeremiah -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
