Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[Tina K.]

On 3/2/11 9:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:

I am giving my G4 flat screen iMac ("lamp shade" or 1/2 ball) to a
teenager. It has had 10.4 on it forever without any problems. But I am
thinking that he may want to run 10.5. Can this Mac handle 10.5
without a lot of slowdown?


Though I am not a big fan of 10.5, one thing to remember is that it is 
still receiving security updates whereas 10.4 is not.


Tina

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Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[Tina K.]

On 3/2/11 9:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:

I am giving my G4 flat screen iMac ("lamp shade" or 1/2 ball) to a
teenager. It has had 10.4 on it forever without any problems. But I am
thinking that he may want to run 10.5. Can this Mac handle 10.5
without a lot of slowdown?


Though I am not a big fan of 10.5, one thing to remember is that it is 
still receiving security updates whereas 10.4 is not.


Tina

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Re: Strange ethernet issue (possibly)

[Dan]

At 2:56 PM -0800 3/3/2011, AndyTheMac wrote:

wired network
1 dual 2.5GHZ G5, 1 QS 733, 2 GigE G4s and a BW G3 plus a minolta printer.


This G5?


They all go into a Netgear 8 port gigabit router and then connect to 
the internet through a Netgear modem. The download speeds form the 
internet to all the machines except the G5 fluctuate between 20 and 
30 KB/s. The G5 achieves download speeds of around 400 KB/s with the 
cable in the bottom of the 2 Ethernet ports.
If I plug my Macbook into the network using the cable from the G5 I 
get between 20 - 30 KB/s.
If I plug that same cable into the top port in the G5, the download 
speed drops to 20 - 30 KB/s.
The modem is, allegedly, connect to the internet with a downstream 
speed of 7.9MB/s.


How exactly are you measuring this speed?

Please clarify your units.  Do you mean megabytes per second or megabits?

Two ethernet ports on the G5?  One is built-in and the other is 
something you added?


I've tried swapping ports, cables etc and it always seems to show 
that the bottom port on the G5 is getting hugely better download 
speeds.


Check to see what speed your ethernet link has sync'd at.  Some 
switches have idiot lights that say.  Otherwise, you'll need to check 
your system.log for a line such as (below).  In Console.app, when 
viewing system.log, if you search on "enet" or unplug then plug in 
your ether cable, you should find the line.


eg:
Mar  2 09:49:28 dans-quicksilver kernel[0]: 
UniNEnet::monitorLinkStatus - Link is up at 1000 Mbps - Full Duplex


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Re: Buying "old" Mac Pros

[Jonas Ulrich]

I would have to get a killer deal to make it worth buying an Intel mac. I've
got a Hackintosh laptop I use, and a Hackintosh desktop I'm using
constantly. They both work great, the laptop only costing me $90, and the
desktop was free. I've got two 1TB hard drives in the desktop, set up on a
backup system, and a DL DVD Burner.

Great deal if you're not doing insanely processor intensive things.

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Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[Jonas Ulrich]

I would  keep it at 10.4, however if you want to, you could use Leopard
Assist to override the 867MHZ processor limit.

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Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 3, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:

> Another question I have is the Administrator Account. I planned to
> leave me as an Administrator, but also add him as one, too. Does it
> work well to have 2 Admins? I will probably do the tech support for
> him.

It works just fine to have as many admin accounts as you need on a system.

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Strange ethernet issue (possibly)

[AndyTheMac]

I have a wired network of 1 dual 2.5GHZ G5, 1 QS 733, 2 GigE G4s and a
BW G3 plus a minolta printer. They all go into a Netgear 8 port
gigabit router and then connect to the internet through a Netgear
modem.
The download speeds form the internet to all the machines except the
G5 fluctuate between 20 and 30 KB/s. The G5 achieves download speeds
of around 400 KB/s with the cable in the bottom of the 2 Ethernet
ports.
If I plug my Macbook into the network using the cable from the G5 I
get between 20 - 30 KB/s.
If I plug that same cable into the top port in the G5, the download
speed drops to 20 - 30 KB/s.
The modem is, allegedly, connect to the internet with a downstream
speed of 7.9MB/s.
I've tried swapping ports, cables etc and it always seems to show that
the bottom port on the G5 is getting hugely better download speeds.
Have I missed something? i'm bewildered (or maybe to tired to think it
through any more)

Andy

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Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[Kris Tilford]

On Mar 3, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:


Kris, I am admitting ignorance here. I don't know how to interpret the
bench marks and what they mean.


They're just a scale for comparison. Sometimes the scale isn't very  
good, but until there's a better scale, it's what we have.


In the case of Xbench, you can go to the iMac Flat Panel page and then  
sort the results by processor speed to get all the 800 MHz together,  
and they should be sorted by score. The scores with asterisks you can  
ignore because they're partial tests, so find a high score and look at  
the OS version. In this case, you'll see that ALL of the highest  
scores are running Tiger 10.4 and the scores are around 26 or so, the  
highest being 27. Then go back down the list until you come to the  
highest scoring Leopard 10.5. I see a lot in the teens, with the  
highest being around 20, so it's closer to a 20% hit for Leopard,  
which is about right. Leopard and Panther are about the same speed on  
you 800 MHz iMac, Tiger is about 25% faster according to Xbench scores.


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Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[Jane, (Portland, OR)]

On Mar 2, 8:20 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:
>
> > Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown?
>
> The slowdown averages about 15% or so, you can check out the Xbench or  
> Geekbench archives for exact numbers for your specific Mac:
>
> 
> 
>
> Leopard requires an 867MHz G4 minimally unless you use Leopard Assist  
> or some other way to circumvent the installer check. If your lampshade  
> iMac is 867 or greater Leopard will install normally.

Kris, I am admitting ignorance here. I don't know how to interpret the
bench marks and what they mean.

Jane

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Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[Jane, (Portland, OR)]

On Mar 2, 8:22 pm, John Carmonne  wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:
>
> > I am giving my G4 flat screen iMac ("lamp shade" or 1/2 ball) to a
> > teenager. It has had 10.4 on it forever without any problems. But I am
> > thinking that he may want to run 10.5. Can this Mac handle 10.5
> > without a lot of slowdown?
>
> > Jane
>
>   If the "Flower Pot" you have has a 100 Bus it will be Slw.  
> Which machine do you have. IMHO Tiger is stiil the very fastest on  
> the PPC's except for the G5 PM's.
>
> JOHN CARMONNE

John, the iMac has 80 gig hard drive, 768 mgs of RAM, 800 MHz speed
processor and 100 MHz Bus speed. He is going to use it for email,
games and hopefully homework . It's the games that had me thinking
to upgrade to 10.5. But i think I will leave it at Tiger.

Another question I have is the Administrator Account. I planned to
leave me as an Administrator, but also add him as one, too. Does it
work well to have 2 Admins? I will probably do the tech support for
him.

Jane

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Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[Alex Barnes]

On my Quicksilver dual 800 it took actually gave it better Geekbench scores.
It took a hit on the graphics performance though it was using a Rage 128.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Al Poulin  wrote:

> On Mar 2, 11:20 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> > On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:
> >
> > > Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown?
> >
> > The slowdown averages about 15% or so, you can check out the Xbench or
> > Geekbench archives for exact numbers for your specific Mac:
>
>
>

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Re: MDD problem

[Clark Martin]

On Mar 3, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Jörg Duurkoop wrote:


Hi Thomas,

Thanks for your input. I tried to remove the board, removed the
heatsink and the one screw that is supposed to hold the mobo down and
tried to slide the board out. It wouldn't budge so I left everything
in place and only replaced the PSU and the fans, the main fan I have
is a very quiet German Papst fan.


I replaced the motherboard on one of my QuickSilvers.  I was using  
the iFixit instructions and when it got to the point of removing the  
motherboard it would budge either.  It turned out that some of the  
standoffs that hold the processor were screwed through the board into  
standoffs mounted to the case.  Those standoffs were NOT in the  
instructions.  Once I removed those the board slid out easily.




All is working again and the Finder and startup seem a little faster
but not much. It looks like the implementation of the second processor
is not very good. I'm running the latest Tiger version mostly - if I
want to use "heritage" Adobe apps I have to switch back to good ole
Panther.


Why?  I have the set of Adobe apps that are Carbon and they are still  
working under Snow Leopard.




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Re: Junk Mail

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 3, 2011, at 6:13 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

> I'm having trouble training my Apple Mail on all my machines, PPC's to MBP 
> Tiger and Leopard.  It seems I get mail I want to become Junk and I highlight 
> it then click the Junk Mail
> button and the mail goes to the Junk Mail box, however it still comes to my 
> normal mail boxes, I really want this stuff to go to the Junk Mail. Someone 
> know about this? 

Check the Junk Mail preferences; one of the settings in there is to mark it as 
junk but leave it there.

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Re: Buying "old" Mac Pros

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:29 AM, typopetedog wrote:

> I bought one of these "old" Mac Pros end of year. My reason was that I
> wanted to run Leopard 10.5.

Moving to 10.6 on ANY Intel-based mac is a big no-brainer; you get significant 
performance increases.

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Re: MDD problem

[Jörg Duurkoop]

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for your input. I tried to remove the board, removed the
heatsink and the one screw that is supposed to hold the mobo down and
tried to slide the board out. It wouldn't budge so I left everything
in place and only replaced the PSU and the fans, the main fan I have
is a very quiet German Papst fan.

All is working again and the Finder and startup seem a little faster
but not much. It looks like the implementation of the second processor
is not very good. I'm running the latest Tiger version mostly - if I
want to use "heritage" Adobe apps I have to switch back to good ole
Panther.

Best regards, Jörg.

On 3 mrt, 06:40, theleaddog  wrote:
> The DP board will fit and work. Probably a good idea to push the PMU
> button (not called CUDA in the MDD) once you get everything back
> together in the event that the former owner had some hardware attached
> which you don't. The replacement is fairly straight forward: unplug
> all cables/wires from mobo, remove all PCI cards, unscrew the board,
> and slide out. IIRC, there are only a few screws but I think you also
> have to remove a screw that holds the processor/heat sink assembly to
> the board. Take a look at the "new" board to see if one has been
> removed when it was taken out of its case. Here's some further
> detailed instructions for a 867 but it's the same case so should steer
> you in the right direction:
>    g4-867mhz.html>
>
> On Mar 1, 9:42 am, Jörg Duurkoop  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I just got another MDD 1.25 Ghz MDD with a dual processor. Can I put
> > the mainboard with the processors installed from the DP machine in my
> > single processor MDD 1.25? Should I press the CUDA before I swap the
> > boards? Anything else I should know before I do it? Is there a "how to
> > do" with pics

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Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:


I am giving my G4 flat screen iMac ("lamp shade" or 1/2 ball) to a
teenager. It has had 10.4 on it forever without any problems. But I am
thinking that he may want to run 10.5. Can this Mac handle 10.5
without a lot of slowdown?

Jane
 If the "Flower Pot" you have has a 100 Bus it will be Slw.  
Which machine do you have. IMHO Tiger is stiil the very fastest on  
the PPC's except for the G5 PM's.


JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 867




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Buying "old" Mac Pros

[typopetedog]

I bought one of these "old" Mac Pros end of year. My reason was that I
wanted to run Leopard 10.5. If the RAM, GBs, Processor Speed, work for
you, and the savings are significant, do it. Mine was only $1995 with
1.5 years of AppleCare left. There is nothing like having 4 hard
drives on line, 2 DVD burners and being able to get into the computer
and work on it yourself.

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Junk Mail

[John Carmonne]

I'm having trouble training my Apple Mail on all my machines, PPC's to MBP 
Tiger and Leopard.  It seems I get mail I want to become Junk and I highlight 
it then click the Junk Mail
button and the mail goes to the Junk Mail box, however it still comes to my 
normal mail boxes, I really want this stuff to go to the Junk Mail. Someone 
know about this? 



John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
Sent from my MBP





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Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[Al Poulin]

On Mar 2, 11:20 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:
>
> > Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown?
>
> The slowdown averages about 15% or so, you can check out the Xbench or  
> Geekbench archives for exact numbers for your specific Mac:

The 15% slowdown may be significant if one wants to work with
processor intensive applications.  Then again one may want to play
processor or graphics intensive games.  A slowdown may not really
matter.  By today's expectations, the iMac would be slow whether with
10.4 or 10.5.

Aside from a slowdown, it may be more significant to consider how the
teenager will use the machine and what applications one gains by using
10.5 which cannot be used on 10.4.  One of the many advantages of 10.5
is its Time Machine for backing up the work and data.

Al Poulin

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Re: 533MHZ Digital Audio G4 won't boot to OS9.1 retail CD

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On Mar 2, 1:53 am, jsmanson  wrote:
> I have the above machine with no disks, running 10.4 Panther, with no
> classic installed.  I have been trying to install classic, and I need
> OS9.1 (no later) for compatibility with some older hardware.  So I
> bought the 9.1 retail install CD, and I have been trying to get this
> beast to boot off the CD with no success.  If I boot holding down the
> C key, I get the question mark and smiling face dance for about 1
> minute as the CD whirls away, after which the system gives up and
> moves on to OSX.

On my recently deceased DA G4 I had a separate partition for OS 9.
When you format
the HD for OS X I'm pretty sure it will ask you if you want to install
the OS 9 driver. If
you want to run OS 9 this is required.

I don't think that applies here, though. For a long time I would have
problems
while running under OS 9. I thought I was running OS 9.2.2 which Apple
says
is required to run under OS X. I was actually running OS 9.2.1. When I
upgraded
to OS 9.2.2 the problems went away.

I don't think that is your problem either. Can you boot anything from
the CD drive?

I also have an OS 9.1 install disk and I never had a problem booting
it either holding
down the "C" key or selecting it under startup drive.

It's possible, but unlikely that you could have a corrupted PRAM. You
could try holding
the command and P and R keys on boot up and let it klorg away three or
four times
and the let it boot up. But I doubt that that is the problem either.

Mark Murphy

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Re: G5 PPC to Mac Pro?

[maggell42]

Auto Cad for Mac was release just few months ago... for Intel Macs only.  
They have a Trial available

but you need some Students or College password.CHECK HERE
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=15435044

On Mar 2, 2011 8:46pm, John Carmonne  wrote:

Hi All


I tried to post this to the Mac Pro list but I see no life there for many  
months, hopefully I don't get kicked outta here for this question.




I'm in the process of buying a "Mac Pro Quad Core 2.66" early 2009 W3520  
processor. It's brand new discontinued from Apple. Is there any  
significant reasons to buy a later model at this time. I mainly want to  
run AutoCad for Mac and keep adding to my music and DVD collection. I  
have a G5 Dual 2.7 PPC machine but the AutoCad requires Intel 64 bit. Any  
help here would be much appreciated.:-)









John Carmonne



Yorba Linda CA



92886 USA



Sent from my MBP





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Re: G5 PPC to Mac Pro?

[Ted Treen]

From: John Carmonne 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 3 March, 2011 1:46:26
Subject: G5 PPC to Mac Pro?

Hi All
I tried to post this to the Mac Pro list but I see no life there for many 
months, hopefully I don't get kicked outta here for this question.

I'm in the process of buying a "Mac Pro Quad Core 2.66" early 2009 W3520 
processor. It's brand new discontinued from Apple. Is there any significant 
reasons to buy a later model at this time. I mainly want to run AutoCad for Mac 
and keep adding to my music and DVD collection. I have a G5 Dual 2.7 PPC 
machine 
but the AutoCad requires Intel 64 bit. Any help here would be much 
appreciated.:-)



John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
Sent from my MBP


Hi John,

Last August I bought an ex-demo 8-core MacPro 2.26 ( E5520) so I could run CS5 
- 
necessary for work.

Domestic senior management has 'inherited' my older G5 dual 2.0, which is more 
than adequate for her needs. 


You'll be amazed by the speed of the Nehalem machines compared with that of the 
PPC G5, although the G5 is still a very capable machine.

I believe the later (ie current) MacPros differ only in the CPU (OWC offer 
upgrades to the CPU board, if that's your thing), and many sources show a 
degree 
of improvement over the Nehalem, but I think in practical terms, increasing the 
RAM on a 2009 machine will leave you with something which is not that far 
removed from the current offering. Assuming you're getting a good deal 
pricewise, go for the 2009 MacPro.

HTH

Ted

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Re: 533MHZ Digital Audio G4 won't boot to OS9.1 retail CD

[Kris Tilford]

On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:09 PM, jsmanson wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_9

give a look at the table at the bottom under the PowerPC Digital Audio
G4, and it tells you that:

OS 9.0 is NFG;
9.1 is OK, but it needs a 'custom' version of the 9.1 install disk;
9.2 is also OK  (But I can't use 9.2 as I have a hardware device that
won't run under 9.2, the Imate ADB to USB adaptor).


I don't understand, Griffin says the iMate works in 9.1 OR GREATER,  
and many people report using the iMate in 9.2.2 out-of-the-box without  
needing to install any software in 9.2.2. If your iMate isn't working  
in 9.2.2 perhaps there's a problem?



Any ideas folks??


I see that OS X support ended in 10.3 and that people report  
installing Classic  in Tiger 10.4 and assigning the iMate to Classic  
to get it working in Tiger. If this is what you're trying to do, I'd  
suggest using the 9.2.2 Netboot installer package and removing the two  
netboot extensions from the System folder>Extensions folder and the  
"Login" System file. This is a complete 9.2.2 Classic installation  
that should work for you in Tiger. See:



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