Re: G4 4s

2011-10-14 Thread Baldassare Guzzo
I read a lot from people here and other places who say it runs slower  
on the G4 and once in a blue moon I still run a Classic application  
(although much less frequently now).  However, It may be time to  
switch up to 10.5. Really thinking about making a jump to an Intel  
machine as soon as I can afford it.



On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:48 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:


Any thoughts about upgrading to Leo? I run 10.5.8 on my MDD G4 and
it's running very well. It's the last OS that will run on PPC, and I'd
expect it will stay supported longer than 10.4. I'm happy I made the
jump to this.

On Oct 12, 9:35 pm, Baldassare Guzzo guz...@gmail.com wrote:
Will an iphone 4S work properly syncing with a G4 running  
10.4.11?   I have so many problems with the 3GS.


Sent from planet earth.


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Re: G4 4s

2011-10-14 Thread Baldassare Guzzo

Thanks.


On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Jesse wrote:

Yes you will need to update to leopard, as I have had to do the  
same on my mdd dual 1.25


Sent from my iPhone 4





On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Bruce Johnson  
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:




On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:

Will an iphone 4S work properly syncing with a G4 running  
10.4.11?   I have so many problems with the 3GS.


Well, officially one no longer needs a Mac to synch an iPhone,  
since with the advent of IOS5 and iCloud, it all happens in the  
cloud.


Synching down to a Mac that old may not work, although I suspect a  
lot can be done through the iCloud web interface.



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No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread dc
I have a bad feeling about this...
After a brief power outage yesterday I now cannot start up my Mac
desktop.  I get a nice chime but, a few seconds later, it chimes again
and just keeps repeating the startup chime. Holding keys- option,
shift-command-option-delete, command-option-o-f, etc.- has no effect,
it just keeps repeating the startup chime. I've had a number of
different Mac desktops over the years and I've never run across this
phenomenon. Can anyone help me figure out what the problem might be?
The computer was connected to a UPC battery backup surge protector at
the time and I was using it; as soon as I saw the UPC alert I went to
the Apple menu and shut the machine down normally.
The computer is an Intel-based MacPro (1,1) but I am wondering if
anyone ever had a similar problem, say with a G5 running Leopard?

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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread Dan

At 6:48 AM -0700 10/14/2011, dc wrote:

I have a bad feeling about this...
After a brief power outage yesterday I now cannot start up my Mac
desktop.  I get a nice chime but, a few seconds later, it chimes again
and just keeps repeating the startup chime. Holding keys- option,
shift-command-option-delete, command-option-o-f, etc.- has no effect,
it just keeps repeating the startup chime. I've had a number of
different Mac desktops over the years and I've never run across this
phenomenon. Can anyone help me figure out what the problem might be?
The computer was connected to a UPC battery backup surge protector at
the time and I was using it; as soon as I saw the UPC alert I went to
the Apple menu and shut the machine down normally.
The computer is an Intel-based MacPro (1,1) but I am wondering if
anyone ever had a similar problem, say with a G5 running Leopard?


wow.  Never had one loop like that.  bleh.  Power hits.

Reset the pram and nvram.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

Try booting with the shift key held down.

If you hold down the option key, does the boot selector come up?

Disconnect all external peripherals except keyboard, mouse, and display.

Perhaps try disconnecting the internal boot volume/drive, and try 
booting on an external?


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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread dc
On Oct 14, 10:27 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:
 Reset the pram and nvram.http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379
 Try booting with the shift key held down.
 If you hold down the option key, does the boot selector come up?
 Disconnect all external peripherals except keyboard, mouse, and display.

 Perhaps try disconnecting the internal boot volume/drive, and try
 booting on an external?

Thanks for the reply, Dan. I tried disconnecting peripherals and
resetting the PRAM, that's actually what the computer sounds like it's
doing with the chime repeating ad nauseum. Safe boot (shift key) or
boot options (option key) have no effect. The screen stays dark and
the chime keeps cycling. I'll pull all the internal drives this
weekend (an act of despiration) but I don't think I'm getting past the
firmware startup to the point where the drives would kick in. I'm
really disappointed that this seems to have been caused by the power
fluctuation because I was hooked up to an APC surge/battery backup,
but from what I've been seeing on the internet not many people seem to
think highly of APC.

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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread Valter Prahlad
Il giorno 14-10-2011 16:47, dc ha scritto:

 I tried disconnecting peripherals and
 resetting the PRAM, that's actually what the computer sounds like it's
 doing with the chime repeating ad nauseum.
Another idea: pull out the PRam battery for some hours.
(ok, we are at the desperate level but, hey, who knows... ;-)

Once upon a time there was a button somewhere inside Macs, that did some
kind of internal setup reset (maybe resetting the Power Management Unit?).
I don't know if the Mac Pro still has that button.

Apart  from whatever we thought, it should be either the motherboard or the
power supply.
But I'm no hardware expert, so don't trust me. ;-)

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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Oct 14, 2011, at 7:47 AM, dc wrote:

 I'm
 really disappointed that this seems to have been caused by the power
 fluctuation because I was hooked up to an APC surge/battery backup,
 but from what I've been seeing on the internet not many people seem to
 think highly of APC.

Have you tried a different keyboard? If the KB is fried, who knows what signals 
it's sending to the computer

Well on the internet and real life experience are two different things...we 
have used them here for years for hundreds of systems. They work well, with the 
caveat that we normally spec their SmartUPS systems. The cheapest SmartUPS is 
around $300; but if it keeps a $10K server running, it's worth it.

The low-end gear is, well, low end. The base BackUPS systems are essentially 
surge protectors with battery failover, heir to the fail-UNsafeness of surge 
protectors...eventually surge protectors stop protecting. 

The BackUPS Pro systems have AVR's in them, so they're better than surge 
protectors, but even here you have to make sure you're plugged into the battery 
backup plugs to get the better protection...don't laugh, I've seen it happen 
more than once.

The SmartUPS are higher end AVR systems with battery cutover, hence the greater 
expense.

SO yeah a lot of the criticism is justified,but it's also painted on with a 
broad brush,. and frankly, having tried others, even Tripp-lite, I'll take APCs 
over any others.

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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread Richard Gerome

 If this surge protector is the cause and your computer is bad it may have 
a warranty that might cover the repairs or replacement? Some places if it's the 
electric companies fault they may pay you too? 




-Original Message-
From: dc dbc...@verizon.net
Sent: Oct 14, 2011 9:48 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

I have a bad feeling about this...
After a brief power outage yesterday I now cannot start up my Mac
desktop.  I get a nice chime but, a few seconds later, it chimes again
and just keeps repeating the startup chime. Holding keys- option,
shift-command-option-delete, command-option-o-f, etc.- has no effect,
it just keeps repeating the startup chime. I've had a number of
different Mac desktops over the years and I've never run across this
phenomenon. Can anyone help me figure out what the problem might be?
The computer was connected to a UPC battery backup surge protector at
the time and I was using it; as soon as I saw the UPC alert I went to
the Apple menu and shut the machine down normally.
The computer is an Intel-based MacPro (1,1) but I am wondering if
anyone ever had a similar problem, say with a G5 running Leopard?

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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread dc
That's good to hear, I hope the APC did it's job and the mobo isn't
damaged. Gee, you mean I can't believe everything I read on the
internet?!?!?


 Well on the internet and real life experience are two different things...we 
 have used them here for years for hundreds of systems. They work well, with 
 the caveat that we normally spec their SmartUPS systems. The cheapest 
 SmartUPS is around $300; but if it keeps a $10K server running, it's worth it.
The low-end gear is, well, low end. The base BackUPS systems are
essentially surge protectors with battery failover, heir to the fail-
UNsafeness of surge protectors...eventually surge protectors stop
protecting.
 SO yeah a lot of the criticism is justified,but it's also painted on with a 
 broad brush,. and frankly, having tried others, even Tripp-lite, I'll take 
 APCs over any others.

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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread Brielle Bruns

On 10/14/11 8:27 AM, Dan wrote:

At 6:48 AM -0700 10/14/2011, dc wrote:

I have a bad feeling about this...
After a brief power outage yesterday I now cannot start up my Mac
desktop. I get a nice chime but, a few seconds later, it chimes again
and just keeps repeating the startup chime. Holding keys- option,
shift-command-option-delete, command-option-o-f, etc.- has no effect,
it just keeps repeating the startup chime. I've had a number of
different Mac desktops over the years and I've never run across this
phenomenon. Can anyone help me figure out what the problem might be?
The computer was connected to a UPC battery backup surge protector at
the time and I was using it; as soon as I saw the UPC alert I went to
the Apple menu and shut the machine down normally.
The computer is an Intel-based MacPro (1,1) but I am wondering if
anyone ever had a similar problem, say with a G5 running Leopard?


wow. Never had one loop like that. bleh. Power hits.

Reset the pram and nvram.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

Try booting with the shift key held down.

If you hold down the option key, does the boot selector come up?

Disconnect all external peripherals except keyboard, mouse, and display.

Perhaps try disconnecting the internal boot volume/drive, and try
booting on an external?



Could also be the power supply failing, and unable to provide enough 
juice to spin up the internal drives, the video card, etc.



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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread rogerdale...@gmail.com
You still have it plugged to UPC? If so, Try plugging it straight to
wall. Possible UPC Failure... :)

On Oct 14, 3:17 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 On Oct 14, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote:

  Il giorno 14-10-2011 16:47, dc ha scritto:

  I tried disconnecting peripherals and
  resetting the PRAM, that's actually what the computer sounds like  
  it's
  doing with the chime repeating ad nauseum.
  Another idea: pull out the PRam battery for some hours.
  (ok, we are at the desperate level but, hey, who knows... ;-)

  Once upon a time there was a button somewhere inside Macs, that did  
  some
  kind of internal setup reset (maybe resetting the Power  
  Management Unit?).
  I don't know if the Mac Pro still has that button.

 My Mac Pro has a reset switch on the mobo just to the RAM.

 John Carmonne
 Yorba Linda CA
 92886 USA
  From my TiBook 667

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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread Kris Tilford

Bruce Johnson wrote:


Have you tried a different keyboard? If the KB is fried,
who knows what signals it's sending to the computer


My thought exactly, this sounds like a bad keyboard to me.

Roger Dale wrote:


You still have it plugged to UPC?
If so, Try plugging it straight to wall.
Possible UPC Failure... :)


This is also a good idea, I've had a bad UPC that cycled.

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10.3.9 hacking

2011-10-14 Thread Andrew Owen
Hi folks,

I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow these 
days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little 
more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. I've now moved 
on to updating the UNIX tools, starting with GCC. I'm aiming to get some 
slightly more recent software working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd 
be happy to continue posting about my progress.

Cheers!

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What is the Highest OSX a Digital Audio G4 can run?

2011-10-14 Thread smac0031
I thought 10.4.11 was the most advanced OS a DA G4 can run and still
use OS9 software. Lately, I'm getting the drift this isn't true.

I have a 1.6ghz accelerator and 1.5Gigs of ram. It seems to run pretty
good since my power surge disaster last winter.

So, what is the highest OS this thing will run and still run classic
stuff?

Mark M.

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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread Roger Hodge
Do you still have it plugged in UPC? May try plugging in wall.  
Possible UPC problem... :)

On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote:


On 10/14/11 8:27 AM, Dan wrote:

At 6:48 AM -0700 10/14/2011, dc wrote:

I have a bad feeling about this...
After a brief power outage yesterday I now cannot start up my Mac
desktop. I get a nice chime but, a few seconds later, it chimes  
again

and just keeps repeating the startup chime. Holding keys- option,
shift-command-option-delete, command-option-o-f, etc.- has no  
effect,

it just keeps repeating the startup chime. I've had a number of
different Mac desktops over the years and I've never run across this
phenomenon. Can anyone help me figure out what the problem might be?
The computer was connected to a UPC battery backup surge  
protector at
the time and I was using it; as soon as I saw the UPC alert I  
went to

the Apple menu and shut the machine down normally.
The computer is an Intel-based MacPro (1,1) but I am wondering if
anyone ever had a similar problem, say with a G5 running Leopard?


wow. Never had one loop like that. bleh. Power hits.

Reset the pram and nvram.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

Try booting with the shift key held down.

If you hold down the option key, does the boot selector come up?

Disconnect all external peripherals except keyboard, mouse, and  
display.


Perhaps try disconnecting the internal boot volume/drive, and try
booting on an external?



Could also be the power supply failing, and unable to provide  
enough juice to spin up the internal drives, the video card, etc.



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Re: 10.3.9 hacking

2011-10-14 Thread Eric Hall
That sounds very interesting indeed. 




From: Andrew Owen cheve...@gmail.com
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:48 AM
Subject: 10.3.9 hacking


Hi folks,

I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow these 
days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little 
more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. I've now moved on 
to updating the UNIX tools, starting with GCC. I'm aiming to get some slightly 
more recent software working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to 
continue posting about my progress.

Cheers!

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Re: What is the Highest OSX a Digital Audio G4 can run?

2011-10-14 Thread Valter Prahlad
Il giorno 14-10-2011 18:25, smac0031 ha scritto:

 I thought 10.4.11 was the most advanced OS a DA G4 can run and still
 use OS9 software. Lately, I'm getting the drift this isn't true.
Theoretically, the newest OSX G4 DA can run is 10.4.

IIRC you could install 10.5 on it, using some hacks (I think there's plenty
info on the Net).

 So, what is the highest OS this thing will run and still run classic
 stuff?
OTOH, whatever Mac you're using, Classic support was dropped in 10.5.
So if you still need Classic, you're stuck with 10.4.

Or, you can have two (or more) partitions (or disks) on your G4, with 10.4
and 10.5 on different partitions/disks.
Voilà, best of both worlds. :-)

PS: I know there are different hacks for using OS9 software (like
SheepShaver) but they don't seem a full solution.

PPS: On you G4 DA, you can still boot into OS9.
Hence, perhaps you could have 10.5 and boot into OS9 when you need using OS9
software.

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Re: What is the Highest OSX a Digital Audio G4 can run?

2011-10-14 Thread Baha Ata
10.5.8

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:25 PM, smac0031 m.smurph...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought 10.4.11 was the most advanced OS a DA G4 can run and still
 use OS9 software. Lately, I'm getting the drift this isn't true.

 I have a 1.6ghz accelerator and 1.5Gigs of ram. It seems to run pretty
 good since my power surge disaster last winter.

 So, what is the highest OS this thing will run and still run classic
 stuff?

 Mark M.

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Air filter on a G5 ppc

2011-10-14 Thread JohnV

Is there an elegant way to filter the incoming air in a ppc G5 tower?

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Re: 10.3.9 hacking

2011-10-14 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Oct 14, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Andrew Owen wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow these 
 days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little 
 more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. I've now moved 
 on to updating the UNIX tools, starting with GCC. I'm aiming to get some 
 slightly more recent software working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd 
 be happy to continue posting about my progress.

well the very first thing I'd do is move up to at least 10.5.8; that will get 
you much more up-to-date almost immediately.

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Re: 10.3.9 hacking

2011-10-14 Thread Jonas Ulrich
Yes please keep us informed of your progress.

-Jonas

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Re: 10.3.9 hacking

2011-10-14 Thread Doug McNutt
At 15:50 -0700 10/14/11, Eric Hall wrote:
That sounds very interesting indeed.


From: Andrew Owen cheve...@gmail.com
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:48 AM
Subject: 10.3.9 hacking

Hi folks,

I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow these 
days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little 
more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. I've now moved on 
to updating the UNIX tools, starting with GCC. I'm aiming to get some slightly 
more recent software working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd be happy 
to continue posting about my progress.

Cheers!


Apple's 10.3.9 is the last version that allows me to continue using my SE/30 as 
an HFS file server.

I have moved most of my serious efforts to ubuntu Linux which has little 
trouble communicating with my SE/30 using Stairway's NetPresenz. My G4 runs 
VectorWorks and I need it but that's about all. I keep hoping that the open 
source guise will come up with a CAD program that works.

And, of course the lady of the house has a brand new iPhone 4S and runs Lion on 
a portable and a desktop. The best I can do is a login account on each where I 
can use Terminal.app. Gestures prove to me nothing more than that all iOS boxes 
are female. I gave up understanding the proper motions long ago.

I'm preparing this on an 8500 running OS 9. It works well and I understand it. 
That's more than I can say about Apple's mail.app that continues to send me 
messages which ignore all of RFC-2822.

Count me as very much interested in your efforts.
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Re: Air filter on a G5 ppc

2011-10-14 Thread Ralph Green
On Fri, 2011-10-14 at 18:59 -0400, JohnV wrote:
 Is there an elegant way to filter the incoming air in a ppc G5 tower?
 
Howdy,
  I picture something like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fr%C3%A9d%C3%
A9ric_Soulacroix_-_Elegance_Of_The_Epoque.jpg

  The lady is standing on a bellows that pumps air through a hepafilter.
She dances daintily around and clean air is pumped through your G5
tower.
Let's see video if you set it up,
Ralph


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Re: 10.3.9 hacking

2011-10-14 Thread Kris Tilford

On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Andrew Owen wrote:


Hi folks,

I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow  
these days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini  
to be a little more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics  
from Lion. I've now moved on to updating the UNIX tools, starting  
with GCC. I'm aiming to get some slightly more recent software  
working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to continue  
posting about my progress.


I don't get it? Why are you 'hacking' Panther when both Tiger   
Leopard will run on all the G4 Minis?


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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread dc
I'm up and running again. Thanks for all the great tips! I pulled out
just about everything: RAM, PCI cards, video card, then put in the OEM
video card and base RAM. While I was at it I put in a fresh PRAM
battery. I found the SMC reset button just above the RAM trays,
pressed it for 10 seconds. It started up normally and seems to be
running well. I haven't started putting my upgrade components back in
yet but I'm hoping they are all OK, I think the reset button is what
really fixed things.

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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

2011-10-14 Thread Valter Prahlad
Il giorno 15-10-2011 2:31, dc ha scritto:

 I found the SMC reset button just above the RAM trays,
 pressed it for 10 seconds. It started up normally and seems to be
 running well. I haven't started putting my upgrade components back in
 yet but I'm hoping they are all OK, I think the reset button is what
 really fixed things.

Well, it makes sense.
If the SMC button is something like the PMU button (Power Management Unit),
something about power screwed it up, and resetting it erased the whatever.

Obviously, it's easy being philosophical after the solution is found. :-D

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non ECC RAM?

2011-10-14 Thread John Carmonne
Has anyone mixed non ECC RAM on a Mac PRO? If so was there any problems? The 
ECC RAM of coarse is more expensive and I'm trying to keep down the cost.
I have a 2009 2.66 Quad Nehalem.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
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Re: 10.3.9 hacking

2011-10-14 Thread Dan

At 7:48 AM -0700 10/14/2011, Andrew Owen wrote:
hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little more current. So far 
I've dropped in the graphics from Lion.


Explain please dropped in the graphics from Lion.  Lion is an x86 
build and your Mini is a G4.


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Re: What is the Highest OSX a Digital Audio G4 can run?

2011-10-14 Thread Bill Connelly
I have 10.5.8 on my Digital Audio Dual 533 ... got it there with CCC  
(Carbon Copy Cloner).


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