Dual 1.8GHz G5 With Wakeup and Network Detection Problems

[P.M. Stefan]

I have a Dual 1.8GHz G5, first model, 4.5 GB RAM, Tiger, two HDs with
wakeup from sleep problems and network detection connection problems. No
previous problems. Ran flawless until the network problem showed up first.
Now the wakeup problem this week.

First the wakeup problem.
First time it happened was earlier this week. It was cycling through
pictures during the screen saver mode and froze on one picture. Clicked on
keys, used mouse, would not come out of the frozen screen saver mode. Fans
started to rev up. Finally had to press in the start button on the front of
the 'puter to shut it down.

Now comes the second problem, network connection.
After turning it back on, the G5 does not see the network. It was connected
to the network before shut down. We are on cable with an Apple Airport for
connection by two computers and a printer. This problem also occurs during
restart. G5 cannot find the network to connect to the internet. I go back
in and plug in all the information each time.

No new software or hardware has been added to the 'puter.

My hubby is the main user of the 'puter and frequently adds files to the
desktop on the startup drive and removes them. Something I have tried to
stop. It slows down the 'puter and then it needs a wash cycle with
DiskWarrior.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: MDD Dual quick fan noise fix

[David W. Morris]

On Feb 16, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Wayne Stewart wrote:


Another possible option for people running OSX on a dual PPC is using
the CHUD utilities 3.5.2 to turn on nap mode. Some people have had
problems with it but it works great for me. On my G4 dual overclocked
to 1.5 ghz the CPU idle temp went from 57C to 35C and of course the
fans slowed down.

Wayne


How does CHUD work?  Does it shut down one of the G4's when it is not  
needed and then wake it up when you are doing something more  
demanding, or something that can take advantage of multiple cores, or  
G4 CPU's?


I have seen it mentioned a few times, but don't really know what it  
is, or how it works.  It would not work or be helpful to me while  
running MorphOS2.7, which can only use one of the dual G4 CPU's,  
unless it is a utility that can be run and stay resident through a  
soft re-boot, into a different operating system.


It would be great to be able to shut down one of the two G4 CPU's to  
reduce heat when running MorphOS2.7 and then turn both G4's back on  
when I boot into MacOSX, MacOS9, or any version of Linux PPC.


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Linux on MacPro

[Edward Treen]

Hi all,

I am using 10.7.3 on my MacPro (4,1 - March 2010) - 12GB RAM, 4 x 1TB drives., 
Radeon 4780 512MB Graphics. I use VMWare Fusion 3 & Windows 7 for the odd times 
I need Windows , and it all seems to run smoothly.

For no specific reason other than personal interest/serving-my-inner-geek, I'd 
like to install a virtual Linux machine to run under Fusion.

Does any list member have experience of doing this, and is there a flavour of 
Linux they would recommend?

Thanks in advance,

Ted

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Buying a G5

[Avid_Fan]

Hello All!

I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner
of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue
which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5
are there any quirks between the various models I should know about?
I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up.

Cheers,
Evan

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Re: Buying a G5

[Douglas Mencken]

The most modern G5 machines are Late 2005 ones (the last ones before
Apple decided that personal computer market doesn't mean a lot for a
company).
Late 2005 G5s have PCIe, SATA, and DDR2 SDRAM. They are very fast
machines, even in comparison to em64t Core i7 machines.
Dual core 970MP 2.3GHz machine is very nice choice. The most powerful
one is 2 CPU x Dual core ("Quad core") liquid-cooling 2.5GHz machine.
Any of them would be a great choice for at least next 5 years.

Good luck!

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Re: Linux on MacPro

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:47 AM, Edward Treen wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am using 10.7.3 on my MacPro (4,1 - March 2010) - 12GB RAM, 4 x 1TB 
> drives., Radeon 4780 512MB Graphics. I use VMWare Fusion 3 & Windows 7 for 
> the odd times I need Windows , and it all seems to run smoothly.
> 
> For no specific reason other than personal interest/serving-my-inner-geek, 
> I'd like to install a virtual Linux machine to run under Fusion.
> 
> Does any list member have experience of doing this, and is there a flavour of 
> Linux they would recommend?

Just to play with Linux, I'd do Ubuntu, which installed without a hitch in a 
Virtualbox VM; if you're interested in messing with server-grade linux, we've 
been using Centos on our production VMs.

 They're coy about it on the front page, but the 'prominent 
North American Enterprise Linux vendor' is Red Hat. Centos is the open version 
of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

Works well...we have a Xen setup with about a dozen centos VM's running on it.

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Re: Buying a G5

[Cameron Kaiser]

> I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner
> of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue
> which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5
> are there any quirks between the various models I should know about?
> I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up.

As an owner of both a dual 1.25GHz MDD and a quad G5,

- G5s do use somewhat more power than the MDD, and they can run hot at
full tilt. If you're looking for a quieter unit, the G5 isn't necessarily
your best choice, especially if you do computationally heavy tasks.
- Avoid liquid cooled units, with the exception of the last G5, the quad
(this generally uses the Panasonic liquid cooling system and they have much
fewer issues than the original Delphi). In reduced power mode, the quad G5
is relatively quiet and quieter than the MDD, but when running in auto or
highest power mode, it can be *louder*.
- Inspect the unit carefully before you buy for corrosion or other signs
of leakage if you buy a liquid cooled machine. Don't purchase if *anything*
looks out of kilter; signs of LCS death can be very subtle.
- Repair on the G5 can be a nightmare, particularly servicing the power
supply.

Some specific notes:

- The G5 only runs Classic, and cannot boot OS 9, if this matters to you.
- If you have PCI cards you have to use, you are limited in the models you
can buy. The quad, for example, is PCI Express only.
- Support for alternative operating systems on the G5 is generally worse.

The G5 does have many benefits over the MDD, though:

- The faster FSB means a lot of stuff runs smoother and better, in
addition to the clock speed.
- If you must run Leopard, the G5 is much better at it than the MDD.
- SATA.
- Better video card options (though these are usually expensive). I have a
7800GT in mine, which is quite decent.
- Massive RAM capacity. Mine has 8GB in it, which is really nice in 10.4.

I intend to get at least a decade or more total lifespan out of my quad.

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Re: Beige G3 RAM

[t...@io.com]

On Feb 17, 1:29 am, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Feb 17, 2012, at 12:51 AM, Nathan Templeton wrote:
>
> > However, I found in my experience when I was stationed in Turkey
> > around seven years ago now with my beige G3/300 I had and entire gig
> > showing under 10.2.
>
> Are you certain this was a Beige and not a Blue & White G3 300MHz? The
> B&W had four RAM slots, and the limit was 1GB as 4x256MB.

> I believe the max limit of any Beige is 768MB as 2x256MB LOW DENSITY
> DIMMs.

I have often read that the MPC106 (memory controller/bus arbiter) on
the Beige G3 does not support larger memory capacities.  Software
wouldn't change that.

Jeff Walther

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Re: Buying a G5

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Douglas Mencken wrote:

> The most modern G5 machines are Late 2005 ones (the last ones before
> Apple decided that personal computer market doesn't mean a lot for a
> company).
> Late 2005 G5s have PCIe, SATA, and DDR2 SDRAM. They are very fast
> machines, even in comparison to em64t Core i7 machines.
> Dual core 970MP 2.3GHz machine is very nice choice. The most powerful
> one is 2 CPU x Dual core ("Quad core") liquid-cooling 2.5GHz machine.
> Any of them would be a great choice for at least next 5 years.
> 
> Good luck!

If the fan noise is a problem the  PM G5 isn't much quieter than a MDD G4. The  
fast ones and real work horses are the Dual 2.7 and Quad. These machines use a 
LCS "Liquid Cooling System"
You need to be sure if you get one of those models that there's no sign of 
leaking. They can be overhauled but I'd want a good one to begin with The units 
that leaked were made by Delphi. There is a replacement unit made by Panasonic 
with two pumps that I've never seen leak, this is what I put in my Dual 2.7.. 
The Delphi units can be resealed to last longer than when new.
 

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacBook Pro i7






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Re: Dual 1.8GHz G5 With Wakeup and Network Detection Problems

[Cameron Kaiser]

> I have a Dual 1.8GHz G5, first model, 4.5 GB RAM, Tiger, two HDs with
> wakeup from sleep problems and network detection connection problems. No
> previous problems. Ran flawless until the network problem showed up first.
> Now the wakeup problem this week.
> 
> First the wakeup problem.
> First time it happened was earlier this week. It was cycling through
> pictures during the screen saver mode and froze on one picture. Clicked on
> keys, used mouse, would not come out of the frozen screen saver mode. Fans
> started to rev up. Finally had to press in the start button on the front of
> the 'puter to shut it down.
> 
> Now comes the second problem, network connection.
> After turning it back on, the G5 does not see the network. It was connected
> to the network before shut down. We are on cable with an Apple Airport for
> connection by two computers and a printer. This problem also occurs during
> restart. G5 cannot find the network to connect to the internet. I go back
> in and plug in all the information each time.

So the network issue was first? I wonder if your AirPort card has gone bad.
If the freeze is at random times, the computer could be stuck trying to
talk to the defective hardware.

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Re: Beige G3 RAM

[John Ruschmeyer]

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:27 PM,  wrote:
>
> It does not matter whether the sticks are single- or double-sided.
>
> It DOES matter that the sticks are all low-density.
>
> 256 MB sticks which are high-density will report themselves as 128 MB.
>
> I suppose there are also pathological cases where 128 MB sticks which are
> high-density will report themselves as 64 MB.

Any idea if the pathological  case includes 512mb showing up as 256? I have
a couple of those from an old Dell that I'd love to put to some use.

JR

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Re: Buying a G5

[Douglas Mencken]

> Support for alternative operating systems on the G5 is generally worse.

GNU/Linux support for 1 G5 machine is much better than for the entire G4 line :)
For example, ALSA driver snd-aoa works perfectly, even for sound input
(not to say about G4 machines, especially G4 DA and eMacs, they do
rarely have any working sound at all).
For another example, Nvidia PCIe cards work perfectly with free
nouveau driver, in fully hw accelerated OpenGL 1.4 mode.

Well, GNU/Linux@PowerPC doesn't have the great TenFourFox, fork of
mozilla. Here you're right.

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Re: MDD Dual quick fan noise fix

[Wayne Stewart]

It's an OSX preference pane so it won't work on any other OS. I
haven't looked into it maybe because I can't see any obvious
difference from a user standpoint other than temperatures decrease. I
believe it throttles down the processors and possibly shuts one down
when not needed. From the computers side, it spends most of it's time
idly siting there waiting for the user to do something.
The preference pane does have a couple of settings to choose from but
it defaults to the off setting on restart. Most people have a script
in their login items to turn it on.

Wayne

On Feb 16, 9:54 pm, "David W. Morris"  wrote:
> How does CHUD work?  Does it shut down one of the G4's when it is not
> needed and then wake it up when you are doing something more
> demanding, or something that can take advantage of multiple cores, or
> G4 CPU's?
>
> I have seen it mentioned a few times, but don't really know what it
> is, or how it works.  It would not work or be helpful to me while
> running MorphOS2.7, which can only use one of the dual G4 CPU's,
> unless it is a utility that can be run and stay resident through a
> soft re-boot, into a different operating system.
>
> It would be great to be able to shut down one of the two G4 CPU's to
> reduce heat when running MorphOS2.7 and then turn both G4's back on
> when I boot into MacOSX, MacOS9, or any version of Linux PPC.

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Is there a limit on number of ATA buses

[John Ruschmeyer]

I have a dual 1.0 MDD. Until recently, I was running a drive with Leopard
(SATA with ATA bridge) ont the fast bus and an older ATA drive with Tiger
on the slower bus.

I recently installed a generic Sil3112 "1+1" card that I had flashed with
Mac firmware from Weibe and moved the Leopard drive over to it. Everything
seems to work fine with one exception:

If I boot the Tiger drive, I can see the Leopard drive on the desktop. If I
boot from the Leopard drive on the SATA controller, however, the OS boots
fine but the Tiger drive is nowhere to be found. According to the 10.5
system System Profiler, the Sata card is actually an ATA bus, only three
are visible, and the Tiger drive is not seen.

Thoughts? It seems like something is limited to three ATA busses and the
SATA card ends up overriding one of them.

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G5 1.8 dual as server?

[JohnV]

It's slower than I need for real work, but can it be a main server  
for a string of hard drives to archive to?


  Machine Name: Power Mac G5
  Machine Model:PowerMac7,3
  CPU Type: PowerPC G5  (2.2)
  Number Of CPUs:   2
  CPU Speed:1.8 GHz
  L2 Cache (per CPU):   512 KB
  Memory:   2 GB
  Bus Speed:900 MHz

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Re: G5 1.8 dual as server?

[Cameron Kaiser]

> It's slower than I need for real work, but can it be a main server  
> for a string of hard drives to archive to?
> 
>Machine Name:  Power Mac G5
>Machine Model: PowerMac7,3
>CPU Type:  PowerPC G5  (2.2)
>Number Of CPUs:2
>CPU Speed: 1.8 GHz
>L2 Cache (per CPU):512 KB
>Memory:2 GB
>Bus Speed: 900 MHz

I use a 450MHz G4 Sawtooth for that purpose and it's fine. A dual CPU
1.8GHz G5 will do just dandy.

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Re: MDD Dual quick fan noise fix

[Cameron Kaiser]

> It's an OSX preference pane so it won't work on any other OS. I
> haven't looked into it maybe because I can't see any obvious
> difference from a user standpoint other than temperatures decrease. I
> believe it throttles down the processors and possibly shuts one down
> when not needed. From the computers side, it spends most of it's time
> idly siting there waiting for the user to do something.
> The preference pane does have a couple of settings to choose from but
> it defaults to the off setting on restart. Most people have a script
> in their login items to turn it on.

This thread is a good summary of the issues with napping CPUs on G4:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=67444

In general, people have reported strange behaviour with nap on some
systems and others work just great. The only CPUs that reliably do well
are G5s, which is good or they would be even hotter. The later your G4,
the better the chance nap will work and be helpful. The OS may also play
a role.

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Re: G5 1.8 dual as server?

[JohnV]

As some may note, I've been haphazard at this, and this server  is  
about the first chance I've had here to Ask First.


I have  mess of desktop HD's (and a 4-drive NAS that I found to be  
useless with the macs) with a mess of duplicates of duplicates of  
random attempts at 'backing things up" ,
It's embarrassing and I need a structured route to archiving and  
access to years of projects. While I have no problem methodically  
wading through things, I need a Large PLace to  get it all into.


Where can I get a good primer on setting up the G5 as an archive/ 
server?  Assuming that's even the right question to start with!


JV




On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:


It's slower than I need for real work, but can it be a main server
for a string of hard drives to archive to?

   Machine Name:Power Mac G5
   Machine Model:   PowerMac7,3
   CPU Type:PowerPC G5  (2.2)
   Number Of CPUs:  2
   CPU Speed:   1.8 GHz
   L2 Cache (per CPU):  512 KB
   Memory:  2 GB
   Bus Speed:   900 MHz


I use a 450MHz G4 Sawtooth for that purpose and it's fine. A dual CPU
1.8GHz G5 will do just dandy.

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Re: G5 1.8 dual as server?

[Cameron Kaiser]

> As some may note, I've been haphazard at this, and this server  is  
> about the first chance I've had here to Ask First.
> 
> I have  mess of desktop HD's (and a 4-drive NAS that I found to be  
> useless with the macs) with a mess of duplicates of duplicates of  
> random attempts at 'backing things up" ,
> It's embarrassing and I need a structured route to archiving and  
> access to years of projects. While I have no problem methodically  
> wading through things, I need a Large PLace to  get it all into.
> 
> Where can I get a good primer on setting up the G5 as an archive/ 
> server?  Assuming that's even the right question to start with!

Depends on what you want to do with it. If you just want somewhere to dump
files from a home network, you could just use 10.4 (that's what I do, with
some custom code I wrote to allow the "big" servers to toss backups on it).

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Re: G5 1.8 dual as server?

[Douglas Mencken]

> It's slower than I need for real work

Don't you miss your internet bandwidth with the capabilities of a
server machine's hardware?

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Re: G5 1.8 dual as server?

[JohnV]

On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Douglas Mencken wrote:


It's slower than I need for real work


Don't you miss your internet bandwidth with the capabilities of a
server machine's hardware?


Not following you here (surely due to my ignorance!)

help?

JV



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Re: G5 1.8 dual as server?

[Douglas Mencken]

> help?

For a deep storage-related operations, I'd recommend RAID. G4 can
still have a very cool SCSI card.

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Re: Buying a G5

[Jeff Bequette]

I went from a beige to a G5 and the only mistake I made was buying the  
low end (june 04 DP1.8)  1. only slots for 4gig Ram.  2. only supports  
2 internal Hard drives.  3. GeForce FX 5200 is a weak video card and  
getting weaker.  If you have the $$, look around for a used intel Mac  
Pro, CWI often has good prices (about half the cost of new)   that's  
my .02.


Jeff
On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Avid_Fan wrote:


Hello All!

I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner
of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue
which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5
are there any quirks between the various models I should know about?
I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up.

Cheers,
Evan


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Re: Dual 1.8GHz G5 With Wakeup and Network Detection Problems

[P.M. Stefan]

> I have a Dual 1.8GHz G5, first model, 4.5 GB RAM, Tiger, two HDs with
> > wakeup from sleep problems and network detection connection problems. No
> > previous problems. Ran flawless until the network problem showed up
> first.
> > Now the wakeup problem this week.
> >
> > First the wakeup problem.
> > First time it happened was earlier this week. It was cycling through
> > pictures during the screen saver mode and froze on one picture. Clicked
> on
> > keys, used mouse, would not come out of the frozen screen saver mode.
> Fans
> > started to rev up. Finally had to press in the start button on the front
> of
> > the 'puter to shut it down.
> >
> > Now comes the second problem, network connection.
> > After turning it back on, the G5 does not see the network. It was
> connected
> > to the network before shut down. We are on cable with an Apple Airport
> for
> > connection by two computers and a printer. This problem also occurs
> during
> > restart. G5 cannot find the network to connect to the internet. I go back
> > in and plug in all the information each time.
>

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Cameron Kaiser 
 wrote:

>
> So the network issue was first? I wonder if your AirPort card has gone bad.
> If the freeze is at random times, the computer could be stuck trying to
> talk to the defective hardware.
>
>
The network connection works the rest of the time without a problem. The
network issue began first.

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