Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:00 PM, W.Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > Are the USB drivers installed. ? > ( If a USB keyboard it being used ) > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Valter Prahlad > wrote: > Il giorno 6-03-2012 5:48, Eleni ha scritto: > > > I tried to boot up > > with original Mac OS 8.6 disk in DVD drive holding the 'C' key, and it would > > go straight to the HD. My guess is that the original disk is not a boot up > > disk > AFAIK, any Apple's MacOS disk is a bootable disk (OTOH, I noticed a copied > MacOS disk might not be bootable anymore). Try to boot when holding down the "Delete. Option, Command, Shift", keys (DOCS) You have to get the keys down at about the time the CD begins to spin. Some times it takes a few trys. Also some of the older CD ROM drives if not an Apple drive will not boot but will mount CD's. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Keyboard is USB and mouse connected to keyboard, all work ok. I also have an ADB keyboard and mouse if needed. On Mar 6, 2012, at 6:48 AM, Eleni wrote: > Thank you all for your input. > > I decided to format the drive and start fresh, as the PowerMac G3 came with > the HD drive and Mac OS 8.6 installed from previous owner. I tried to boot > up with original Mac OS 8.6 disk in DVD drive holding the 'C' key, and it > would go straight to the HD. My guess is that the original disk is not a > boot up disk, but how can I start fresh? Any ideas? > > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Douglas Mencken wrote: > >>> Is there a problem with Mac OS 8,6 handling data?? How 6GB of data consume >>> more than 15BG on my HD?? >> >> Can you screenshot the "Get Info" for that folder? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for >> those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power >> Macs. >> The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our >> netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >> To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list >> > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: AGP Video Card Selection
On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Would someone suggest a good agp video card, available today, that I can use in my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz under 10.5.8? I want to purchase a Samsung 22" HDTV for use as a monitor, and it requires HDMI input. Perhaps a video card with a DVI connector, as I have an extra DVI to HDMI adapter. I guess the key phrase is "available today" ... not sure about where they are being sold these days, reasonably priced, for a G4. I currently have a Geforce 4MX in my Quicksilver, and an ATI Radeon 9800Pro in my DA Dual 533 (its DVI to HDMI is being used with a Sony Bravia from time to time). Another ATI Radeon 9800Pro is probably too much of a card for what I will be using it for ... I'm not a gamer. Thanks. Another option (instead of the FireGL X3 that I suggested in another email) that is fast, has a DVI output and you might be able to find, is a used ATI Radeon 8500, but not the LE version. The LE version is as slow as the 9100. If you check old benchmarks, the 8500 was faster than many of the Radeon video cards that were released after it. I am in the process of having a 128mb VRAM version of a PC ATI Radeon 8500 converted to use in my dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD. In fact I packed it today and will be sending it to the guy for re-flashing it tomorrow. I can't remember what I paid for it on eBay, as I bought it many months ago. Unfortunately, the Mac bios will only recognize 64mb of the available 128mb of VRAM, but I am searching the Web tonight and the next couple of days hoping to find someone who has figured out a way to get all 128mb of VRAM recognized when used in a G4 Mac computer. I hope that I will find a modified Mac bios for this card that can use all 128mb of VRAM. Good luck, David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: AGP Video Card Selection
On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Would someone suggest a good agp video card, available today, that I can use in my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz under 10.5.8? I want to purchase a Samsung 22" HDTV for use as a monitor, and it requires HDMI input. Perhaps a video card with a DVI connector, as I have an extra DVI to HDMI adapter. I guess the key phrase is "available today" ... not sure about where they are being sold these days, reasonably priced, for a G4. I currently have a Geforce 4MX in my Quicksilver, and an ATI Radeon 9800Pro in my DA Dual 533 (its DVI to HDMI is being used with a Sony Bravia from time to time). Another ATI Radeon 9800Pro is probably too much of a card for what I will be using it for ... I'm not a gamer. Thanks. The ATI Radeon FireGL X3 is a 16 pipeline 8xAGP 256mb video card that can be purchased for cheap as a PC version on eBay. Unfortunately, not all of the cheap PC cards on eBay can be successfully converted for use in a Mac. There is a reseller on eBay that is doing the conversions, plus he puts them through a 4 to 7 day torture test, to make sure that they are not going to fail after he sells them. He charges about $170 to $180 for them, I can't remember the exact amount. You have to modify the pins on the card by covering 2 or 3 of them with tape, as the AGP slot in your QuickSilver Mac is not standard electrically, when compared to PC 4xAGP slots, as Apple used a few pins for ADC power that were outside of the standard 4xAGP specification, so the later 8xAGP cards would not work in the Mac slots without having a few pins taped to prevent damage to the video card, and possibly the computer as well. It is all well documented, if you do some searching. Try "themacelite" to find more information. If you are interested in the eBay seller who is doing the conversions and can't find him, send me a private email and I will look back through my saved emails to see if I can find him. He is a video card expert and converts and sells many different cards for use in Macs. The FireGL X3 is one of my personal favorites, and I am getting one for my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac, so it needs no modification of the AGP card edge pins. David aka AmigaDave dual booting MacOSX & MorphOS2.7 on my dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, & dual booting MacOSX & MorphOS3.0 beta on 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's 15" & 17" -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Hello! If you boot the PM G3, will the CD you're using mount to the desktop? Can you start an install from the CD? If yes, the drive is likely in good working order. Have you tried selecting the CD as the default startup device in the 'Startup Device' control panel? And indeed, OS 8.6 should boot just fine on the G3. You can also try to boot a later OS (if you have any)! Greetings, Eelco. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD motherboards
Hi, > Your dual 1.25 will have a 2mb cache while the single will have a 1mb > so a dual running on one processor should still be faster than a > single. Why not just install CHUD, a toolbox for developers? Then you can switch on and off one of the CPUs with a mouse click ... This option has been discussed here and I did it. It works great. When I listen to music, watch a DVD or leave my Mac on at night to download big files I switch it to single CPU mode. When I need all the power I can get, browsing on the net or using Adobe apps, I turn on the second CPU. Works like a charm, de difference in temperature can be up to 16 centigrades. Downgrading a dual MDD would not be very wise IMHO. Regards, Jörg. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD motherboards
Hi, > Your dual 1.25 will have a 2mb cache while the single will have a 1mb > so a dual running on one processor should still be faster than a > single. Why not just install CHUD, a toolbox for developers? Then you can switch on and off one of the CPUs with a mouse click ... This option has been discussed here and I did it. It works great. When I listen to music, watch a DVD or leave my Mac on at night to download big files I switch it to single CPU mode. When I need all the power I can get, browsing on the net or using Adobe apps, I turn on the second CPU. Works like a charm, de difference in temperature can be up to 16 centigrades. Downgrading a dual MDD would not be very wise IMHO. Regards, Jörg. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD motherboards
Hi, > Your dual 1.25 will have a 2mb cache while the single will have a 1mb > so a dual running on one processor should still be faster than a > single. Why not just install CHUD, a toolbox for developers? Then you can switch on and off one of the CPUs with a mouse click ... This option has been discussed here and I did it. It works great. When I listen to music, watch a DVD or leave my Mac on at night to download big files I switch it to single CPU mode. When I need all the power I can get, browsing on the net or using Adobe apps, I turn on the second CPU. Works like a charm, de difference in temperature can be up to 16 centigrades. Downgrading a dual MDD would not be very wise IMHO. Regards, Jörg. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Il giorno 9-03-2012 7:12, Eleni ha scritto: > Keyboard is USB and mouse connected to keyboard, all work ok. > I also have an ADB keyboard and mouse if needed. Ah, that's likely the problem: USB ports aren't standard on a PM G3, so they are enabled by system extensions AFTER the boot process. :-) That's why you G3 doesn't respond to the "C" key for booting from CD. Try using the ADB keyboard and see if that solves the booting issue. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: AGP Video Card Selection
Il giorno 7-03-2012 5:29, Bill Connelly ha scritto: > Would someone suggest a good agp video card, available today, that I > can use in my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz under 10.5.8? > I currently have a Geforce 4MX in my Quicksilver I see some people are selling Geforce 4MX (because they're switching to something faster). If you're ok with its average performances (no 3D or heavy gaming, of course), it should be cheap and easy to find. Try on the LEM Swap list: http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html (it's about selling/buying used Mac stuff) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3 Date:Friday, 09. March 2012 From:Valter Prahlad To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Il giorno 9-03-2012 7:12, Eleni ha scritto: > > Keyboard is USB and mouse connected to keyboard, all work ok. > > I also have an ADB keyboard and mouse if needed. > > Ah, that's likely the problem: USB ports aren't standard on a PM G3, so > they are enabled by system extensions AFTER the boot process. :-) > That's why you G3 doesn't respond to the "C" key for booting from CD. > > Try using the ADB keyboard and see if that solves the booting issue. On my Power Mac G3 B&W the keyboard is also connected on one of the two internal USB-1.1 ports. Obviously it doesn’t work when connected to a USB port of a PCI expansion card, like any USB-2.0 PCI expansion card. With the internal USB 1.1, at least, holding Cmd-Opt-O-F works to go into Open Firmware. I also noticed that it wasn’t possible to boot holding the “C” key, but I’m now unsure if this was always the case or if I fixed that. ??? Anyway, if you can get into Open Firmware, then your keyboard works. From there you can boot from any optical media if you type: boot cd: or (if that doesn’t work): boot cd:,\\:tbxi (See also http://urchin.earth.li/~twic/Running_Apple_Hardware_Test_When_Your_Hard_Drive_is_Freaky_Screwed.html) >From http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2179: You can also eject a disc (on later Power Macs without a physical eject button for the drive) if you type: eject cd Then you can put in another one and close the drive by just pushing it in. The “boot cd:” thing in Open Firmware should do the trick if holding “C” does not work as expected. It’s also noteworthy that the G3 B&W does not support the boot menu when holding down the Option key. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Il giorno 9-03-2012 19:53, Mac User #330250 ha scritto: > On my Power Mac G3 B&W the keyboard is also connected on one of the two > internal USB-1.1 ports. You're right, I was thinking about Beige G3, but B&W G3 had built-in USB. > Obviously it doesn¹t work when connected to a USB port of a PCI expansion > card, like any USB-2.0 PCI expansion card. Yes, I thought about that issue because the OP said the Mac didn't recognize the "C" key pressed: a hint the keyboard might not be "listened to" yet during boot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD motherboards
The reason I suggested this is that he's not going to run MacOS in this machine and the OS he's going to use won't use the second processor at all. CHUD won't work in a non MacOS machine. On Mar 9, 8:17 am, Jörg Duurkoop wrote: > Hi, > > > Your dual 1.25 will have a 2mb cache while the single will have a 1mb > > so a dual running on one processor should still be faster than a > > single. > > Why not just install CHUD, a toolbox for developers? Then you can > switch on and off one of the CPUs with a mouse click ... > > This option has been discussed here and I did it. It works great. When > I listen to music, watch a DVD or leave my Mac on at night to download > big files I switch it to single CPU mode. When I need all the power I > can get, browsing on the net or using Adobe apps, I turn on the second > CPU. Works like a charm, de difference in temperature can be up to 16 > centigrades. > > Downgrading a dual MDD would not be very wise IMHO. > > Regards, Jörg. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:12 AM, Eleni wrote: Keyboard is USB and mouse connected to keyboard, all work ok. I also have an ADB keyboard and mouse if needed. This is your problem. USB keyboards were known to be problematic for booting B&W. Attach the ADB keyboard and you should be fine using either the "C" key or the "Option" key for booting, assuming the PRAM battery is good and the optical unit is good. If you still can't boot with an ADB keyboard, the optical unit may be flakey. There was a firmware update for some of the optical units that came OEM on this old G3s, but it might be a good idea to get a newer optical drive, you can probably get a newer DVD drive for $10-15 on Craig's List. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: AGP Video Card Selection
On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 7-03-2012 5:29, Bill Connelly ha scritto: Would someone suggest a good agp video card, available today, that I can use in my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz under 10.5.8? I currently have a Geforce 4MX in my Quicksilver I see some people are selling Geforce 4MX (because they're switching to something faster). If you're ok with its average performances (no 3D or heavy gaming, of course), it should be cheap and easy to find. Try on the LEM Swap list: http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html (it's about selling/buying used Mac stuff) I'm looking for suggestions for cards with a DVI connector, that can utilize my DVI to HDMI adapter. The ATI Radeon 9800 Pro that I have does so nicely, I just don't want to buy another expensive video card such as that. My Geforce 4MX doesn't have DVI, and it is showing signs of failure ... occasionally it will seem to discharge or make my screen blip out for a second. Maybe its the monitor, maybe its the card. They are both quite oldish ... I had said I wanted a 22" backlit LED/LCD TV from Samsung, but I really want something a little bigger 26-27" or so, as far as monitors goes. The LEM Swap list is fine, but it is not a discussion group. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD motherboards
On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Wayne Stewart wrote: You can easily swap CPU modules between MDDs with the same bus speed. You can also do it between MDDs with different bus speeds but you need to do some resistor mods to get the best results or in some cases to work at all Taking out a dual 1.25 and replacing it with a single 1.25 is just plug and play Your dual 1.25 will have a 2mb cache while the single will have a 1mb so a dual running on one processor should still be faster than a single. Let me throw a bizarre idea out there that no one else would likely ever want to do. The dual processors clock speeds are individually set. Why not set the unused processors clock speed to the lowest possible speed. I think that would be 333mhz Thanks for that great reply Wayne! I was beginning to believe that it could not be done. That there was some reason that prevented swapping the single G4 CPU module for use on the dual G4 motherboard. Now, another question is will the dual G4 CPU module work on the single G4 motherboard? As I am trying to trade G4 CPU modules with an owner of a single 1.25GHz G4 MDD PowerMac, it won't be a good trade if he can't use my dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU module. Your idea of changing the clock speed of the unused G4 to its slowest speed (333MHz), is an interesting option and might be less work and trouble. My only concern there is the possibility of messing up my perfectly working motherboard by having two different speeds running on these G4 CPU's. I would be willing to bet no one has tried it before, so no one would know what side effects it might cause. If it is a simple matter of removing, or reconfiguring some resistors on the CPU module to slow down just one of the two G4's, I could try it on the dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU module and keep my dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU model untouched, in case anything went wrong. Anyone else have any comments on this crazy idea? See my original post on this topic for details of what I am trying to do. Thanks David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD motherboards
On Mar 9, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Jörg Duurkoop wrote: Hi, Your dual 1.25 will have a 2mb cache while the single will have a 1mb so a dual running on one processor should still be faster than a single. Why not just install CHUD, a toolbox for developers? Then you can switch on and off one of the CPUs with a mouse click ... This option has been discussed here and I did it. It works great. When I listen to music, watch a DVD or leave my Mac on at night to download big files I switch it to single CPU mode. When I need all the power I can get, browsing on the net or using Adobe apps, I turn on the second CPU. Works like a charm, de difference in temperature can be up to 16 centigrades. Downgrading a dual MDD would not be very wise IMHO. Regards, Jörg. Your solution would work if I were still going to run MacOSX on this G4 PowerMac MDD system, but I am not. If you had read my original message more closely, you would have seen that I will only be running MorphOS2.7 on this computer from now on. MorphOS2.7 is not SMP capable, so there is no need for the second G4 CPU. The CHUD program you wrote about is for MacOS only, unless it is some kind of Open Firmware program. I could only use it if it can be run from the Open Firmware prompt, before I boot into MorphOS2.7. Thanks for the response anyway. David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: AGP Video Card Selection
Il giorno 9-03-2012 21:49, Bill Connelly ha scritto: > I'm looking for suggestions for cards with a DVI connector, that can > utilize my DVI to HDMI adapter. > [...] > The LEM Swap list is fine, but it is not a discussion group. Well, you could post a WTB (Willing To Buy) msg there, saying you're looking for such a card. No discussion, just asking. :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
