Blu-Ray player software for the Mac [a little OT]
Hi! The Giveaway of the Day is a Blu-Ray player application for Windows and Mac: http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/mac-blu-ray-player-21/ Althou its not specifically excluded, my guess is that this doesn't run on PowerPC-based Macs. It's most likely an Intel-only application. Now, the fun part about a Blu-Ray player software of any kind on a Mac is: it isn't _legally_ possible for a software developer. There is a short article in the german computer magazine c't about this (from the publishing house Heise: http://www.heise.de/ct/), which has a good reputation amoung computer and IT professionals. (You'd have to pay to read the article: no need to do that, but you can see the following short abstract about the article:) http://www.heise.de/artikel-archiv/ct/2011/23/73_kiosk [German] Normalerweise können Apple-Rechner Blu-ray-Filme nicht wiedergeben. MacGo behauptet, dass dies mit seiner Player-Software sehr wohl gelingt. [/German] [English translation] Normally, Apple computers cannot play Blu-Ray movies. MacGo claims that this does work with their player software smoothly. [/English translation] Again, the problem is, that Blu-Ray requires a license. All data streams have to be copy-protected up to the point when the data stream reaches a Blu-Ray certified monitor which then decodes all data to display the actual pictures. It's called HDCP: High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection. In Windows (which officially supports Blu-Ray and HDCP), all components have to support this too: i.e. a player software will ask the graphics driver to stream the data though HDCP to the monitor. Mac OS X does not support this, neither do the graphics drivers support it. Sherlock Holmes: When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. So my stong guess is, that this software simply decodes the Blu-Ray signal and sends it unencrypted to the monitor. This is illegal and forbidden by the Blu- Ray standard; it is also what Blu-Ray copy software (that is forbidden to sell in Germany, possibly also in the United States of America) does to get to the valuable data (in order to illegally make a copy). Just an off-topic info. If you have an Intel Mac, and if you actually were brave enough to put a Blu- Ray drive in it, you might be interested in this software afterall. BTW, the german computer magazine article concludes that the Mac player software was (one year ago, previous version) very limited in features and regularly crashed unexpectedly. It also found that some if not many Blu-Ray discs didn't play at all. But… this is the new version, so maybe it has gotten better… Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
As said there are a lot of options in terms of browsers for powerpc. I used demeter, I don't know if supports html5, but if I go to http://html5.grooveshark.com/ it plays nice and uses about 10% cpu sometimes less! The flash version took sometime to load, and then failed because I have a flashblocker. This on G4 1.2Ghz,1.5Gb ram,GForce 6200,500Gb 7200rpm sata..bla bla bla -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
If you want to know wich browser options you have grab a read on my powerpc faq: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1091765 Sábado, 12 de Maio de 2012 13:01:21 UTC+1, skinnie escreveu: As said there are a lot of options in terms of browsers for powerpc. I used demeter, I don't know if supports html5, but if I go to http://html5.grooveshark.com/ it plays nice and uses about 10% cpu sometimes less! The flash version took sometime to load, and then failed because I have a flashblocker. This on G4 1.2Ghz,1.5Gb ram,GForce 6200,500Gb 7200rpm sata..bla bla bla -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
On May 12, 2012, at 5:01 AM, skinnie wrote: I used demeter, I don't know if supports html5, but if I go to http://html5.grooveshark.com/ it plays nice and uses about 10% cpu sometimes less! A better way to see how compatible your browser is with HTML5 is here: http://html5test.com/ It will tell you directly what features are supported and which are not. I did not see TenFourFox in the test list, be interesting to see how it fares. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
I use Tenfourfox myself. iPad 1 On May 11, 2012, at 21:31, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content for the World Wide Web, and is a core technology of the Internet originally proposed by Opera Software. That having been said, what will kill us using PPCs and the last browsers to run on these machines. Attempting to put aside all the INTEL hype, if, IF a majority of the web sites go to HTML5, which we can not read, is it this that will force us to move on to INTEL? CALL FOR INFORMATION - which versions of the popular browsers listed can interpret which version of HTML, 1, 2, 3, 4, AND 5. Now, what browsers will run on our PPCs? Netscape Seamonkey VERSION 2.X / HTML 2 Opera FireFox VERSION 2.0 / HTML 3 I'm a designated FREE SPIRIT HITCHHIKING on the Information Super Highway === -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
Not to beat a dead horse, but I've spent the last two weeks rewriting my wife's web site in HTML5, on my G4. I write it in text edit, and check it in safari, ten4fox, opera, ie5, and Firefox. Well written code will render something usable on any browser, and give those flashy bits of fun on the latest browsers. Html5 and css3 could spell the death of flash, and be a serious blow to java script, but good ridence to bad rubbish! Finnaly, let's be clear, html5 is not fully implemented in any browser on any platform, thus the need for good coding practices, and backward compatability is written in to all HTML releases. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
On May 12, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 12, 2012, at 5:01 AM, skinnie wrote: I used demeter, I don't know if supports html5, but if I go to http://html5.grooveshark.com/ it plays nice and uses about 10% cpu sometimes less! A better way to see how compatible your browser is with HTML5 is here: http://html5test.com/ It will tell you directly what features are supported and which are not. I did not see TenFourFox in the test list, be interesting to see how it fares. I am running the latest TenFourFox, 10.0.4. Got a score of 327 plus 9 bonus points. I think I have the latest Safari, 4.1.3, that will run on 10.4 and that scored a 265 and 6 bonus points. Looking at the what I think are the important stuff, TenFourFox seems to not pass the following major items. Some audio codecs About 1/2 of the form inputs (56/108) No Microdata, whatever that is Complete Security failure 0/15 Web GL 9/25 mostly for 3D context Files (FileSystem API failed) Local Multimedia Access the webcam failed I don't have one so don't know if that is the reason for failing, but isn't this a good thing to not give browsers direct access to webcams? Web Notifications failed Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
I am running the latest TenFourFox, 10.0.4. Got a score of 327 plus 9 bonus points. I think I have the latest Safari, 4.1.3, that will run on 10.4 and that scored a 265 and 6 bonus points. Looking at the what I think are the important stuff, TenFourFox seems to not pass the following major items. Some audio codecs About 1/2 of the form inputs (56/108) No Microdata, whatever that is Complete Security failure 0/15 Web GL 9/25 mostly for 3D context Files (FileSystem API failed) Local Multimedia Access the webcam failed I don't have one so don't know if that is the reason for failing, but isn't this a good thing to not give browsers direct access to webcams? Web Notifications failed I don't mind constructive criticism, but the real Firefox doesn't have any of these either (except WebGL, which Mozilla does not support on 10.4 or 10.5), and neither do many other browsers. If people are going to evaluate features, comparing them against a realistic benchmark is always ideal. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- It is necessary to have purpose. -- Alice #1, Star Trek I, Mudd -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Blu-Ray player software for the Mac [a little OT]
If you have an Intel Mac, and if you actually were brave enough to put a Blu- Ray drive in it, you might be interested in this software afterall. BTW, the german computer magazine article concludes that the Mac player software was (one year ago, previous version) very limited in features and regularly crashed unexpectedly. It also found that some if not many Blu-Ray discs didn't play at all. But… this is the new version, so maybe it has gotten better… I have Blu-Ray drives in my Hackintoshes. Several of those are dual-booted, with MacOS X Lion and Windows 7 Ultimate. I have a paid-up license for BOTH Mac Blu-Ray Player (for Mac) and Mac Blu-Ray Player (for Windows). Both work, and generally work well. MacGo has been updating them fairly regularly. At one point they claimed that ANY video format can be played successfully, but that proved NOT to be the case. Initially, I found that VR disks ... those are DVDs which are produced by hard-drive-equipped PVRs with burners ... can be easily and reliably played using DVD Player (free with MacOS X), but not with Mac Blu-Ray Player. Then, I found other formats which cannot be played. However, Blu-Ray disks definitely can be played, and the application works well on both MacOS X and Windows 7 (different applications, of course). The acid test was playing all four Blu-Ray disks in the new Godfather Blu-Ray set. EVERY disk played correctly and flawlessly. Not that I am any great fan of GF III, although I did meet Sophia Coppola as a baby, so it was interesting to see her as an adult. However, GF I and GF II, both of which were flawlessly restored by Bob Harris, were magnificent. Sophia played the baby Michael Corelene Jr in that one, during the baptism sequence. So, yes, the MacGo products work, and they even work on Hacks. One of my Hacks is a Shuttle SH61 (Intel H61 chip set) and this one has an internal Blu-Ray super-super-multi burner (Lite-On). Another of my Hacks, the one I use to duplicate media of all kinds, also has an internal Blu-Ray super-super-multi burner (LG). This is a P67-based system. This also has a conventional super-multi burner. I can rip media on the Blu-Ray drive while I burn media on the DVD drive. I also have a Blu-Ray super-super-multi burner which is USB. I use this on laptops which are Hacks, and also on desktops which are Hacks, but have no Blu-Ray device (Samsung). All are working flawlessly. All can burn double-layer Blu-Ray media or double-layer DVD media or CD media. Obviously, these can also read anything which they can burn. Media interchange has been flawless. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
On May 12, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I am running the latest TenFourFox, 10.0.4. Got a score of 327 plus 9 bonus points. I think I have the latest Safari, 4.1.3, that will run on 10.4 and that scored a 265 and 6 bonus points. Looking at the what I think are the important stuff, TenFourFox seems to not pass the following major items. Some audio codecs About 1/2 of the form inputs (56/108) No Microdata, whatever that is Complete Security failure 0/15 Web GL 9/25 mostly for 3D context Files (FileSystem API failed) Local Multimedia Access the webcam failed I don't have one so don't know if that is the reason for failing, but isn't this a good thing to not give browsers direct access to webcams? Web Notifications failed I don't mind constructive criticism, but the real Firefox doesn't have any of these either (except WebGL, which Mozilla does not support on 10.4 or 10.5), and neither do many other browsers. If people are going to evaluate features, comparing them against a realistic benchmark is always ideal. Cameron, Please understand that the above was not meant as a criticism. It was simply a report on the test results for TenFourFox that Bruce wondered about. I did not even look at the test page results for other browsers, Looking at the test results, TenFourFox holds its' own very well, even beating Safari 5.1 by a little and trouncing IE 9, which only scored 138. It even scores better than the beta of IE 10. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
On May 12, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: On May 12, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 12, 2012, at 5:01 AM, skinnie wrote: I used demeter, I don't know if supports html5, but if I go to http://html5.grooveshark.com/ it plays nice and uses about 10% cpu sometimes less! A better way to see how compatible your browser is with HTML5 is here: http://html5test.com/ It will tell you directly what features are supported and which are not. I did not see TenFourFox in the test list, be interesting to see how it fares. I am running the latest TenFourFox, 10.0.4. Got a score of 327 plus 9 bonus points. I think I have the latest Safari, 4.1.3, that will run on 10.4 and that scored a 265 and 6 bonus points. Looking at the what I think are the important stuff, TenFourFox seems to not pass the following major items. Each item name has a link to the relevant standards API document for that feature from W3C if you wish to see what it is and isn't failing. Also note HTML5 is a lot farther along than it was last year, but keep in mind it is still a work in progress. Some audio codecs About 1/2 of the form inputs (56/108) Yeah, the vast majority of websites don't yet use these, but use Jquery and such to manage these. In the future it'll be a lot easier to write these kinds of things in straight-up HTML instead of javascripts. It also makes styling these things easier, because standard css applies to it. No Microdata, whatever that is Looked at the link, it's very much a work in progress by the W3C, so it's not surprising no one supports it yet. Complete Security failure 0/15 Not good, this means that you're subject to iframe hijacking, maybe. See: http://seclab.stanford.edu/websec/frames/navigation/ Web GL 9/25 mostly for 3D context Yeah this isn't widely supported. Files (FileSystem API failed) From W3C: This specification defines an API to navigate file system hierarchies, and defines a means by which a user agent may expose sandboxed sections of a user's local filesystem to web applications. I'm GLAD Safari fails that one! Great FSM on a fork! that's a Very Bad Idea. Local Multimedia Access the webcam failed I don't have one so don't know if that is the reason for failing, but isn't this a good thing to not give browsers direct access to webcams? Again from the W3C : This document defines a set of APIs that allow local media, including audio and video, to be requested from a platform. You know when those folks in Pennsylvania (IIRC) kept turning on the webcams on school-issued laptops in kids bedrooms and such? Yeah, that. Another Very Bad Idea. Web Notifications failed Looking at the specification, all I can see is fake antivirus malware as far as the eye can see. Yet another Very Bad Idea: http://www.w3.org/TR/notifications/ Note the mentions of 'notifications outside the web browser'. Javascript has a perfectly usable notification mechanism already. http://www.mediacollege.com/internet/javascript/basic/alert.html -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
Please understand that the above was not meant as a criticism. It was simply a report on the test results for TenFourFox that Bruce wondered about. I did not even look at the test page results for other browsers, Looking at the test results, TenFourFox holds its' own very well, even beating Safari 5.1 by a little and trouncing IE 9, which only scored 138. It even scores better than the beta of IE 10. I appreciate the context. HTML5 is still very nebulous in many respects, certainly much less well-defined than HTML 4.01, and many things have been thrown in of unclear import. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- A zebra cannot change its spots. -- Al Gore -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content Date:Saturday, 12. May 2012 From:Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On May 12, 2012, at 5:01 AM, skinnie wrote: I used demeter, I don't know if supports html5, but if I go to http://html5.grooveshark.com/ it plays nice and uses about 10% cpu sometimes less! A better way to see how compatible your browser is with HTML5 is here: http://html5test.com/ It will tell you directly what features are supported and which are not. I did not see TenFourFox in the test list, be interesting to see how it fares. Interesting: Konqueror 4.8.3 using WebKit on Linux reaches 321 plus 14 bonus points. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/533.3 (KHTML, like Gecko) konqueror/4.8.3 Safari/533.3 My guess is that the newer Safari browsers, using the newer WebKit engine, will be about the same. Since Safari 3 is using an older WebKit release it naturally supports less “features”. But looking at them, I’m not sure I really want or need all of them (at least I want the option of turning them off): - Geolocation - Video subtitle support I think it’s better to have a secure and fast (=optimized code) engine that does display 99% of all web pages correctly. All the rest is optional at the best. BTW and in that context, I think WebM support is very importaint, but look at the services supporting WebM/HTML5 and favorizing it over Flash: so far I’ve only found YouTube to be widely HTML5-ready, but still with Flash you get all of it, while with WebM you can sometimes only see the text this video is not available as HTML5 (or so). Flash is still widely used, and until this changes, WebM is a good development to be supported, but you can’t get very far with only it. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
On May 12, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I don't mind constructive criticism, but the real Firefox doesn't have any of these either (except WebGL, which Mozilla does not support on 10.4 or 10.5), and neither do many other browsers. If people are going to evaluate features, comparing them against a realistic benchmark is always ideal. This isn't any sort of benchmark; we're not testing the performance of the web browsers, we're checking, specifically, compatibility with HTML5 elements. As I said earlier, HTML5 is very much a work in progress and many things like WebGL are in flux as the various parties involved work out how to do this stuff. Also, until a standard gets mostly nailed down it's not a good idea to put too much effort into implementing it in production code. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
Complete Security failure 0/15 Not good, this means that you're subject to iframe hijacking, maybe. See: http://seclab.stanford.edu/websec/frames/navigation/ Two notes: - Firefox doesn't pass this either - This doesn't per se deal with clickjacking/hijacking. This is Mozilla's explanation: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Platform/Iframe_Sandbox -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Los Angeles 2001: Ohmigosh, it's full of *cars!* - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Internet on Mac Mini- wireless device?
I'm running 10.5.8 and it looks like I have several options for getting back online at home. Thanks so much for all the info! On May 10, 6:46 pm, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote: I have a Sprint Broadband that I use in a USB Wireless Router that I got from Sprint and it will work just fine for up to 5 computers!!! Those are nice. I also have a Sprint wireless USB modem. The older ones will work just fine with 10.4, but even the later ones can be coerced with a little work. -- personal:http://www.cameronkaiser.com/-- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems *www.floodgap.com* ckai...@floodgap.com -- require std_disclaimer.pl; --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
On May 12, 2012, at 7:49 AM, peter wrote: Not to beat a dead horse, but I've spent the last two weeks rewriting my wife's web site in HTML5, on my G4. I write it in text edit, and check it in safari, ten4fox, opera, ie5, and Firefox. Well written code will render something usable on any browser, and give those flashy bits of fun on the latest browsers. Good for you! It is great to see even small (sorry for the assumption about your website) site administrators switching their sites to HTML5 and getting rid of Flash and java script. This allows many platforms that are not capable of playing Flash and/or having javascript problems to fully appreciate your site, without having Flash or javascript capable browsers. Html5 and css3 could spell the death of flash, and be a serious blow to java script, but good ridence to bad rubbish! I could not agree more, of say it in less words, more clearly. Finnaly, let's be clear, html5 is not fully implemented in any browser on any platform, thus the need for good coding practices, and backward compatability is written in to all HTML releases. That is a very BOLD statement, as there is not way you could know about all browsers on all platforms, but I won't argue the point with you. I will agree with the second part of your statement regarding the need for good coding practices. Too many bad coding practices (or lazy coding practices) have been promoted and learned by far too many people, and for far too many years, resulting in a limited few remaining programmers that even know how to write good, clean, efficient code any more. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
A good healthy discussion is what we all want, BUT: This isn't any sort of benchmark; we're not testing the performance of the web browsers, we're checking, specifically, compatibility with HTML5 elements. WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANY SCORE, except that I must have hit upon an item of interest, with some 20 replies today only. So for a score, I rate an 8 don't you think? I am sad to see that not a single person added to or corrected this list -- which was the purpose for this post. BROWSER VERSION MARKUP Netscape Seamonkey 2.X HTML 2 Opera FireFox 2.0 HTML 3 Safari TenFourFox Internet Explorer 5.0 Also, it is very clear that we have some list members that are very professional and know a whole lot more than me and then there are the rest of us, trying to learn and understand what the future may hold for our PPCs. I'm a designated FREE SPIRIT HITCHHIKING on the Information Super Highway === --- On Sat, 5/12/12, peter pe...@petermwarner.com wrote: From: peter pe...@petermwarner.com Subject: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, May 12, 2012, 7:49 AM Not to beat a dead horse, but I've spent the last two weeks rewriting my wife's web site in HTML5, on my G4. I write it in text edit, and check it in safari, ten4fox, opera, ie5, and Firefox. Well written code will render something usable on any browser, and give those flashy bits of fun on the latest browsers. Html5 and css3 could spell the death of flash, and be a serious blow to java script, but good ridence to bad rubbish! Finnaly, let's be clear, html5 is not fully implemented in any browser on any platform, thus the need for good coding practices, and backward compatability is written in to all HTML releases. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
