Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 mhz G4
On 1/23/2010 4:03 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: If you want to reuse parts like memory, you're much better off with the Dual-1 GHz Quicksilver, or even a Dual-800 (like mine!). Beware that the Quicksilver 2002 is the first to support large hard drives 128 GB (system board Rev. B). Full ACK. Consider the QS option for you (buying a used one for around 100 Dollars with no HDDs and no RAM makes your upgrade easy -- you'd just go for the CPU speed). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the QS can take the PC100 DIMMs also, right? Okay, this brings up another question... let's say I did that: would the HD from my current Sawtooth (with all the apps that came with it, many of which do not have any physical media for reinstalling) work as-is in a faster QS? In a Windows world, this doesn't normally work - a pulled hard drive from an older machine would (usually!) require a wiped drive and a full reinstall of the OS and any applications because the OS generally doesn't natively recognize a major hardware change without tossing its cookies, and once you've got this fresh OS now all the apps need put back in. I'd hate to lose half the stuff in this pleasantly reliable old Sawtooth in the changeover (I know the DRIVE would function - it's the software I'm concerned with). Does this work differently in Macs? Anna -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 mhz G4
On 1/23/2010 8:03 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Yes, this does work differently in a Mac. Windows installs a custom system for each computer, and generally it can't be moved from one computer to another unless the two computers are physically identical. Macs install a unitary system that normally is bootable on all Macs. There are some exceptions, but these normally only involve specific hardware extensions, and your Sawtooth is NOT a model that would have a restricted set of extensions. You should be able to move your Sawtooth HD into a QS or any other Mac that can take it without issues. You can easily clone (a special type of copy) an old HD onto a new HD. Or, if you have installer discs you can install a clean system on a new HD and then use the application Migration Assistant to migrate over all the extra programs from the old HD. If your Mac only has one HD, you could probably add a 2nd without removing the original. There are many options on a Mac, many more than on a Windows PC. The two are very different, with the Mac being more user friendly. If you don't have any install discs, cloning your old HD onto a new one would be your best option, and you'd do this with a program such as Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper!. This is excellent news, thank you! I am familiar with SuperDuper already, having cloned the Sawtooth's original 20-gig drive onto the 40 gig that resides in it at the moment (I did keep the original 20 gig as a backup) - I found it to be a most painless process :) I DO have the OS Tiger install discs ( bought those a while ago), and in fact, I chipped in on the purchase of a set of Leopard discs - a friend and I bought a five-license set when Leopard first came out) so that if I could update the Sawtooth enough to run it, I already have a legal way to go that route as well. However, as is being made clear to me, perhaps just replacing the Sawtooth itself might be better than upgrading its processor. You've just brought up an option with which I am not familiar - Migration Assistant?? Hm, something else to look into :) I am still curious, though (always!!) - what upgrade paths DO exist for the Sawtooth by way of processor speed (apart from the monetary considerations, I'm still interested in learning about it)? Thanks very much for your very helpful response!! Anna McCullough -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Weird happenings
So, just to be sure, you don't have Picasa or Google Earth or ANY form
of Google app installed? That's normally why you'd get Google Updates
even trying to run at all.
At any rate, a quick Google of your problem (sorry, couldn't resist)
shows this:
http://arthurkoziel.com/2008/07/26/the-google-software-update-agent/
HTH,
Anna
Charles Davis wrote:
System = MDD Dual 1.25, 1 GIG RAM
Noticed problems with Shut Down
Re-boot check Console LOG
Mac OS X Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165)
2009-09-13 18:08:31 -0400
2009-09-13 18:08:33.351 SystemUIServer[116]
MenuCracker
see http://sourceforge.net/projects/menucracker
MenuCracker is now loaded. Ready to accept new menus. Ignore the
failure message that follow.
2009-09-13 18:08:33.492 SystemUIServer[116] failed to load Menu
Extra: NSBundle /Library/PreferencePanes/MenuMeters.prefPane/
Contents/Resources/MenuCracker.menu (loaded)
2009-09-13 18:08:33.687 SystemUIServer[116] lang is:en
No log handling enabled - turning on stderr logging
ack: Unknown host ()
something horrible happened!!!
2009-09-13 18:08:36.645 SystemUIServer[116] MenuCracker: Loading
'MenuMeterNetExtra'.
2009-09-13 18:08:36.666 SystemUIServer[116] failed to load Menu
Extra: NSBundle /Library/PreferencePanes/MenuMeters.prefPane/
Contents/Resources/MenuMeterNet.menu (loaded)
2009-09-13 18:08:33.008 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0xa000ed88]
[lvl=2] -[KSAgentApp setupLoggerOutput] Agent settings:
KSAgentSettings:0x5216d0 bundleID=com.google.Keystone.Agent
lastCheck=2009-09-01 19:08:48 -0400 checkInterval=86400.00
uiDisplayInterval=604800.00 sleepInterval=8640.00
jitterInterval=900 maxRunInterval=0.00 isConsoleUser=1
ticketStorePath=/Users/chuck/Library/Google/GoogleSoftwareUpdate/
TicketStore/Keystone.ticketstore runMode=1
daemonBootstrapName=com.google.Keystone.Daemon logEverything=0
logBufferSize=2048 alwaysPromptForUpdates=0 productIDToUpdate=(null)
lastRun=2009-09-13 17:56:26 -0400 lastUIDisplayed=(null)
lastCheck=2009-09-01 19:08:48 -0400 alwaysShowStatusItem=0 userGUID=
{B1986B04-FED5-43C1-A133-3C9F8BE78392} updateCheckTag=(null)
printResults=NO userInitiated=NO handlingCrash=NO
2009-09-13 18:08:37.671 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine updateProductWithProductID:] No ticket for
product with Product ID com.google.Keystone
2009-09-13 18:08:37.673 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processingStarted:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=4
current=(null)
2009-09-13 18:08:37.673 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:startingAction:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=3
current=KSCheckAction, action=KSCheckAction: 0x542290
2009-09-13 18:08:37.675 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSCheckAction performAction] No checkers created.
2009-09-13 18:08:37.675 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:finishedAction:successfully:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=3
current=KSCheckAction, action=KSCheckAction: 0x542290, wasOK=1
2009-09-13 18:08:37.675 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:startingAction:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=2
current=KSPrefetchAction, action=KSPrefetchAction: 0x5428a0
2009-09-13 18:08:37.675 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSPrefetchAction performAction] no updates available.
2009-09-13 18:08:37.675 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:finishedAction:successfully:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=2
current=KSPrefetchAction, action=KSPrefetchAction: 0x5428a0, wasOK=1
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:startingAction:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=1
current=KSSilentUpdateAction, action=KSSilentUpdateAction: 0x5429b0
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSMultiUpdateAction performAction] no updates available.
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:finishedAction:successfully:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=1
current=KSSilentUpdateAction, action=KSSilentUpdateAction:
0x5429b0, wasOK=1
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:startingAction:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=0
current=KSPromptAction, action=KSPromptAction: 0x542b00
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSMultiUpdateAction performAction] no updates available.
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676
Re: HD Question
Look at the rear of the drives. Then look here: http://www.ufsexplorer.com/inf_connect_hdd.php Given the apparent age of the drives in question (a fast Google lookup shows none of 'em as currently available, hence they're older drives and not currently in production) I'd say it's dang near a certainty that at least the Samsung and the WD's are PATA. With no manufacturer mentioned on the generic, you'll have to verify that by looking at the connectors. HTH- Anna Stephen Conrad wrote: My spare HDs === Generic 120.0 GB 7200 RPM Samsung SP0802N (S/N S00JJ40Y371416) - Listed on it as probably bad but I'd still check it out WD Caviar 22500 AT Compatible Intelligent Drive WD Caviar 12100 EIDE Are these PATA HDs? I want to buy a G4 from someone and he said they will work if they are PATA HDs (I want to add them to the G4) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
