Re: MDD G4 Start-up Issue
I'd take a close look to see if the internal connections for the switch are clean and intact. On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:01 AM, 'John Carmonne' via G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com wrote: On Aug 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Michael McMurtrey wrote: Lately, my MCC G4 refuses to start by means of the start button on the front of the computer. I have to open the case and reset the PMU in order to re-start. I suspected the PRAM battery might be bad, but it's a new one that is outputting 3.67 volts. What's up? The MDD's will run without a battery in them, My MDD's will occasionally not start so if I unplug the power cord in the back and plug back in they start with the button. It may be a PS issue but mine have been doing this for years. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OT: Multiple Voting When It's Prohibited
More often than not, the voting system records your ISP address, and or your email address, beyond that, most of the limitations come from those who are doing the polling/recording the vote tally. As to getting around it, you can have multiple email addresses and or vote from multiple ISP addresses/locations. From: Judith Berkowitz sfjb...@mac.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:44 PM Subject: OT: Multiple Voting When It's Prohibited I'm curious: how do folks get around online quizzes and such that have a limit on voting? For instance, if I can vote once / day I see a note that reads Already Voted! after I have done so. Which is as it should be. However, I'm sure that folks have packed their votes by voting multiple times in one day. Not that I intend to do this (at least not for now!), but how is it possible to get around the once / 24 hour rule? I've tried a few things already: - Emptied the cache - Trashed cookies forms - Reset Safari Those don't work, so how do they do it? The more things that do not work, the more curious I am to find how it is done! - Judy B -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G4 iMac tells me I don't have privileges
You might ask the teenager you lent your computer to what password they used/created. That should give you a way to reset the password and give you the ability to move folders, add apps, etc. From: janespra...@comcast.net janespra...@comcast.net To: g3-5-list group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:26 AM Subject: G4 iMac tells me I don't have privileges I loaned my G4 goose-neck iMac, running 10.4.x, to a teenager and just got it back. I have deleted his account and I am the sole person and Administrator. Every time I try to move a folder (or sometimes open an App), I get a message saying that I don't have privileges. When I click on the icon for the hard drive to Get Info, it shows that I have Read and Write privileges. Can someone tell me what is wrong and how to fix this? It is quite annoying! Jane -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3
The major issues with programs like Superpaint is that it creates raster images rather than vector art, and the files tend to be much larger for anything close to full size, even at the lowest resolution considered high res (300DPI). You also have extreme limitations on trying to manipulate or change elements in the artwork, re-scaling, etc., at a later date. From: ROBERT H. BAUCOM rbt...@owc.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3 You Didn't mention what OS he is using… tsk, tsk. Since it's a G3 I would recommend Super Paint … I used it for years until My G3 Quicksilver and OS10.4.8. Really miss it at times. I could use it for nearly anything. ver. 3.0 http://tidbits.com/article/3174 ver. 3.5 http://www.savetz.com/ku/ku/baggott_superpaint_3.5_february_1994.html RHB On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com wrote: Hi folks I've just set my dad up with a base-model mac mini after years of supporting his ancient XP box. He's used to Autosketch for technical drawing, but this doesn't work on the mac - even the wonderful Crossover turns up its nose. So I've given him my copy of Creative Suite 3 so he can use Illustrator. I've tried to teach him some things and written a few exercises, but I'm not a good teacher, and most of the time I'm 350 miles from my parents. So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I don't think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the manual for V5 having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of the fundamental functions have changed since then.) thanks indeed Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Old Software Packaging
In a way, yes there is a market for it. If you are selling the software you will tend to get more for it if you have all of the original packaging, books, etc. For the packaging alone? Shy of finding either a collector or someone who has the software but not the packaging who want or need the complete setup, I don't see a market, but rather than throw the stuff out, I'd put it up on ebay or something of that nature where you have a huge buying audience. From: M Christol chris...@fuse.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 3:51 AM Subject: Old Software Packaging Is there any market in old software packaging? I know there's a lot of collectible stuff out there but - RayDream 3D boxes? I'm anal enough to want to keep the software, I'm just wondering about the packaging. thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW
What program are you trying to get the halftone image to print from? Photoshop on it's own has some capabilities in this area, and if you are going to do a lot of images, and or you want more control on the finished look, you might consider Andromeda's Screens filter/plug-in for Photoshop, it gives you a great deal of control on the size of the halftone dots, the pattern, the threshold level, and more. The filter is great, but it's not cheap. From: Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 12:06 AM Subject: Re: G4 10.4 or 10.5 looking for way to halftone a picture to print in BW Il giorno 5-03-2012 9:01, Peter Devlin ha scritto: In colour mode all the printers I have come across use the CMYK colorspace to print - the K is the generated black - and all the cartridges are used. I have never seen or heard of one which uses CMY only to print in color. Some cheaper printers have just a CMY cartridge, so the black is always created by blending the colours together. Nasty. ;-) I don't know if they're still produced, but my father bought such a printer (Canon) many years ago. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Studio Display Monitor Broken Hinge
You might put in an ad in your local Pennysaver or local newspaper/want ad paper for a monitor, working or not, then you could swap out the stand. Another option might be going to a local art supply store and look at a Sidekick easel. They clamp on to the edge of a table or desk, and let you set the angle, height and size to meet your needs. just a thought. From: glen glenst...@yahoo.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 9:00 PM Subject: Studio Display Monitor Broken Hinge This little Apple Studio Display M2454 monitor has seen light use and has a lot of life left. It has been attached to my Mac G4's for testing purposes. In a really dumb move I broke the acrylic stand connection to the monitor. I tried to super glue it together but as you may guess that did not work. http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenstrek/6808551702 It looks easy to replace the broken part but any ideas where to get one. And what is it called. If I were to post a WTB to the LEM Swap List I would not know what to ask for. Perhaps there is a third party parts dealer that won't charge more for the part than the monitor is worth. Any ideas? Thanks, --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: water in the laptop....
The rice just acts as a desiccant, providing there isn't too much water/moisture involved. If there's a lot of water/moisture then the rice can start breaking down, leaving you with a starchy film on your computer parts. From: Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:02 PM Subject: Re: water in the laptop Here is my handy-dandy way to dry electronics. I drop things in water often, and this has worked very well: 1) Open everything and remove batteries, hard disks, etc. 2) Take each object (computer, hard disk, memory, battery, etc) and place them in a bowl or other open-top container of rice. For laptops, keep the screen hinge open. Rice is porous and sucks up water. 3) Put the bowls in the oven at 110 Fahrenheit (43C) for several hours. -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 1:17 PM, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: Some newer clothes dryers come with a sweater rack that clips into the dryer without tumbling. When my wife spilled water on her Dell laptop I opened it up and placed it on the dryer rack at a low setting for a couple of hours. I figured it was safe enough for wool sweaters so it should be OK for a laptop. Might be a little safer than the oven. On Feb 22, 12:28 am, David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com wrote: I dropped my cell phone into a swimming pool once about 5 6 years ago, and it took me a few minutes to fish it out. It was still on, so I turned it off and removed the battery. I placed it in the oven and set the temperature to 100 degrees (or maybe it was 120 degrees) for about 1 or 2 hours and then let it cool down. Insert your open laptop into the Oven at low temperature at your own risk, but hopefully, after you have dried it out thoroughly, it will come to life again. You might need to replace the battery. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: water in the laptop....
Turn the keyboard upside down so tha any remaining liquid can drain out. If you have some desiccants, you can put them down in the the area to help wick away the moisture too. I don't know how easy it is to open the laptop up so that you can get better air circulation in there, but the more exposure to clean, dry air, the better. A keyboard cover sounds like a wise investment for you. From: dc dbc...@verizon.net To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:27 PM Subject: Re: water in the laptop ...and after you dry it out buy her a $2.00 keyboard cover. On Feb 20, 4:41 pm, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: My daughter spilled some water into her Mac laptop. What should she do now to dry things out? The Mac did not shut-down after the accident, but her screen went haywire. The Mac is presently turned offin a keyboard down position with a fan blowing on it. Thanks, Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Zip drive on an MDD G4
I have two of my G4s with the built in Zip drive, one is a QS, the other is older and slower, sorry I don't remember the processor speed on it. I haven't looked at the support system for them, so far I haven't had a need to, knock on wood. From: Baldassare Guzzo guz...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Zip drive on an MDD G4 I have a G4 933 with a factory Zip and DVD. If you want a picture of the mounting I can send you one. To me it appears to just be mounted into the lower bay - no special door. Its a QS not a MDD so I dont know if this helps you. On Dec 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Wayne Stewart wrote: It was mounted internally in one of the hard drive bays. Apple didn't sell many as most people used the CD/DVD burner or opted for a USB Zip drive. On Dec 2, 8:55 am, John Ruschmeyer jrusc...@gmail.com wrote: I recently became the owner of a dual 1.0ghz G4 MDD. In looking at the various specs online, I see references to a Zip-250 drive as an optional item. Out of curiousity: 1) Has anyone ever actually seen an MDD with a factory Zip? 2) Does it use a special bracket/door or is it just a normal desktop Zip drive on a 5.25 frame and stuffed into the lower bay? Thanks... John --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is there a way...
Click on one of the images and do a Get Info, that will at least tell you a date, and possibly a version of the software that created or modified it. You might also look at the file names/numbers and do a search on the internet to see what it matches up with. From: Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:11 PM Subject: Is there a way... I have an older iPhoto library, that I need to find out which version of iPhoto/ilife created it? any ideas? Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Image Scaling Software Needed
You can get a free 30 day trial of the newest version at ononesoftware.com, though they've changed the name of the product. From: Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Image Scaling Software Needed I'm looking for a good image scaling program/Photoshop plug-in that will work with Photoshop CS (version 8.0) on a dual-processor MDD running OS X 10.4.11. Genuine Fractals PrintPro 4.0 is what I am familiar with, but I cannot find a copy for sale anywhere, including Ebay. Anyone have a copy for sale at a reasonable price? Any suggestions? Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Painter X question
Beyond the obvious question of Did you burn a backup copy of the program when you got it?, my suggestion would be to contact Corel and see what they have to say, you may be able to get a new download of the program, provided you still have the Key from the original copy. If they will do that, BURN A COPY TO A CD BEFORE YOU INSTALL IT! Include the Key on the CD so that you have a sterile backup should anything go wrong again in the future. From: PAR prieme...@msn.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 8:05:24 AM Subject: Painter X question I have Corel Painter X installed on my Quicksilver 2002 running OSX 10.4 with a 933 Mhz single processor. Recently my machine stopped allowing me to run Painter, giving me the message This copy of Painter has been damaged or lllegally modified. Please install from your original disks. My copy is is legal download copy, with my key provided personally by Corel. Anyone know how I can solve the problem so I can run Painter again? Paul Riemerman -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Painter X question
One of the many potential dangers and problems with doing the pirated software is that you don't know what kind of parasites it may carry with it. I'd talk to Corel long before I did any pirated version. From: Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 10:52:41 AM Subject: Re: Painter X question Il giorno 3-07-2011 17:05, PAR ha scritto: I have Corel Painter X installed on my Quicksilver 2002 running OSX 10.4 with a 933 Mhz single processor. Recently my machine stopped allowing me to run Painter, giving me the message This copy of Painter has been damaged or lllegally modified. Please install from your original disks. - Did you reinstall Painter? If not, try doing it. - If an uninstaller is included, uninstalll the app and install it again. - Try deleting Painter preferences. Apart from that, the only option I can think of is asking help to Corel's support. Did you try searching its Support/FAQ/Knowledge base? My copy is is legal download copy, with my key provided personally by Corel. I'm sorry to say this, but most problem of this kind comes from original and legally bought software. Ironically, you often have less trouble running pirated software: as an extreme measure, you could find a pirated copy of Painter X (try Torrent, Rapidshare...) and trying that (your conscience would be fine, since you own a legit license ;-). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: .kpx
What programs do you have in your arsenal? I have a lot of graphics programs in my shop, if you want to email me the document(s) and let me know what format you CAN use I will see if I can convert the file(s) into something you can open. From: Barney Guzzo guz...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 7:37:27 PM Subject: .kpx Hi. Anyone know a way to open a ,kpx file (kid pix deluxe) on my G4 QS (10.4.11) - with out having to purchase Kid Pix Deluxe? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: the big knot thingy?
Those act as binders to keep the pairs of audio cables together, they also help you, the user to know by touch when you are at the end of a cable or set of cables. From: Jeffrey Daile Engle macgu...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 2:49:45 PM Subject: the big knot thingy? ok, here's a question I've had for awhile now You know when you get firewire cables or usb cables or audio cables, you see those big black plastic cylinder things on the cord about 2 inches from the end of the cable? what are they? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Polish Language
Why not use a native Polish typeface and do your emails in Yahoo, or whatever your email account is in? As long as the recipients are using the same typeface at their end it should be okay. You can also attach your email done in Word or some other W.P. program, along with the typeface name so that the recipients can see it the same way you do. From: Jasiu johnschiavone...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 1:17:22 PM Subject: Polish Language I have a G4 Sawtooth that I would like to use to type emails in Polish. It is running 10.4. Is there a way of changing the language you want, besides loading a new operating system? Thanks Jasiu -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: .PDF from iPhoto event? is it possible?
You can email individual photos to yourself then take those individual images and create a pdf file in Acrobat. From: Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, November 26, 2010 7:29:03 PM Subject: .PDF from iPhoto event? is it possible? Is it possible to export an iPhoto event to a .pdf file? reason being I want to make a repair manual and it would be real handy to be able to do that. Jeff Engle Kamiah Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS
Why not dump the unzipped file from Panther onto a flash drive and physically transport it to the computer that has the newer version (tiger) on it? If they are both on the same computer then why would you need to open the file in the 8 version of Toast.? If it's just for burning, then the same unzipped version you would use for 6 should work for 8. From: yawg yaw...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 8:36:06 AM Subject: Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS Hello, Just a little quirk I encountered in Toast. I have versions 6 in Panther and 8 in Tiger. Because Toast 8 would often hiccup in play mode, I zipped it and returned to the trusty 6 which plays just fine in Tiger. When I tried to unzip my version 8 again for burning DVDs my Tiger told me that I'm not allowed to do that. Darn! Any workaround that comes to mind here? I'm just flummoxed, not angry ... Thanks, Jörg. On 12 okt, 05:14, Dana Collins dlcatft...@frontier.com wrote: On 10/11/10 5:20 PM, Ted Treen of ted.tr...@btinternet.com sent Brian Fuelleman wrote: Is there a way to adjust the volume on files prior to burning them to DVD? I have some old VHS recordings of some classes/lessons I would like to convert to DVD, but the audio level in the original is quite low. Roxio's conversion setup says that you can not alter the sound levels, but recording stuff where it will be a major strain to pick up the audio every time I wish to view these disks seems to be a ridiculous choice with todays technology. Is there a better way to go than with Roxio's software and hardware? I want to create DVD's that I can play on any DVD player or computer/platform (that has a DVD player). I have Toast 10 platinum on my G5, but I also have a couple of Quick silvers and a few older and smaller Mac's too. My first thought would be to convert the video to mp4, then load it into iMovie. I've hardly used iMovie, but I think it should allow you to tweak the volume level, then burn a generic video with iDVD. I'll look into it when I have a spare bit of time report back. You'll probably see lots of definitive replies in the meantime, though. Ted I too would be interested, Ted. Thank you, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS
Is there a way to adjust the volume on files prior to burning them to DVD? I have some old VHS recordings of some classes/lessons I would like to convert to DVD, but the audio level in the original is quite low. Roxio's conversion setup says that you can not alter the sound levels, but recording stuff where it will be a major strain to pick up the audio every time I wish to view these disks seems to be a ridiculous choice with todays technology. Is there a better way to go than with Roxio's software and hardware? I want to create DVD's that I can play on any DVD player or computer/platform (that has a DVD player). I have Toast 10 platinum on my G5, but I also have a couple of Quick silvers and a few older and smaller Mac's too. From: Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 12:41:33 AM Subject: Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS From: Dana Collins dlcatft...@frontier.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: Dana Collins dncoll...@tayloru.edu Sent: Monday, 11 October, 2010 3:43:13 Subject: Re: How to burn VIDEO_TS On 10/10/10 8:21 PM, Arnel Tuazon of a.tua...@gmail.com sent On 10/10/10 10:34 AM, M Christol chris...@fuse.net wrote: I downloaded a VIDEO_TS and cannot get it to DVD. Tried Disk Utility tried hdiutil makehybrid -udf-volume-name NAME -o ~/Desktop/name.iso ~/Desktop Apple DVD Player will launch but not play disk both ways. Sony DVD player says it's unsupported both ways. The VOB files play in VLC on Mac but not Fedora Core Any ideas? I have ffmpegx iDVD. I guess I could convert everything to .movs, string 'em together use iDVD. thanks I use Toast (v.6 - it's old but works great!). step1: Create a new folder and name it whatever you want step2: place your VIDEO_TS folder in this new folder step3: if you want audio, you'll need to create another folder inside the folder you created in step1. Name this new folder AUDIO_TS. Just a re-cap, you will create a new folder and name it whatever you want. In this folder you'll have 2 folders: your VIDEO_TS folder and an empty folder called AUDIO_TS. step4: start Toast and choose DATA. Make sure you're in ADVANCE mode and choose type DVD-ROM (UDF) from the left side pannel step5: drag your folder that has both the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folder onto the main window of Toast (it should say Drag files and folders into this area). step6: click the red burn button and follow the rest of the instructions on the screen. Arnel, As succinct and clear a summary of Toast procedure as I've ever seen. Bravo! Dana Except in Toast 6, I always select Video, then on the left panel choose DVD-Video from VIDEO_TS This gives you the option of selecting NTSC or PAL, and in Toast 8 or later, you also have the option to compress to fit on a standard single-layer blank DVD, if your VIDEO_TS folder 4.7GB Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: proper mic for iMic on a G5
Look at your local office supply store (Staples, Office Max, etc.) in their cellular and cordless phone section, they have a selection you can choose from, including Blue Tooth setups. Standard phone headsets and mikes are mono not stereo, but understand that they also tend to use or have just one ear phone/speaker. If you want mono with two earphones then you need to get to an aviation shop for pilots, they cost a good bit more but they tend to be well made too. From: Charles Lenington macso...@brightok.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 1:35:40 PM Subject: Re: proper mic for iMic on a G5 On 9/12/10 3:06 PM, Tina K. wrote: Charles Lenington wrote: I am trying to use iMic on a G5 with a headset w/ mic. All the sets I find so far, have a stereo mic plug. Has anyone seen a headset w/ a mono plug. Or will a stereo to mono adapter work? Why do you want a mono headset? A stereo headset can be very helpful in a game such as WoW, if you hear something approaching it's good to know from which side. I use a stereo headset via iMic when I play UT2004 on my G5 PowerMac and it works just fine, I don't know of any reason it wouldn't work on an iMac too. If you truly have your heart set on a mono headset a stereo mono adapter should do the job. Tina It's the mic that doesn't work, headphones are ok. I also don't understand why there is a stereo plug on a mono mic(rophone). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver trouble
If you have a different monitor you could use, try it, if it works then you have isolated your problem to the monitor itself, if you get the same results then you have isolated the problem to the CPU itself. What OS are you running? Do you run antivirus software on your machine on a regular basis? Have you had any other problems on this machine lately? The more info you can give on the hardware and software in play the better. From: TVirkkala multi...@wirkman.com To: LEM G-List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 11:24:00 AM Subject: Quicksilver trouble Here's something I haven't seen before, a particular kind of trouble. An early PowerMac G4 Quicksilver. You start it up, the O.S.'s Apple appears, and then the screen dies. It's all given up. Any ideas? I hope to tackle this problem tomorrow. Timo V PowerPC G5x2.3GHz MacBook Pro 13 / Workgroup Server 9650 / Power Macintosh 6500 / Power Macintosh 5500/Macintosh SE/30/Macintosh Classic -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video convertion
If this is more than a one time thing for you then you might consider something like Total Video Converter from Biggasoft, it imports and exports just about any file format for video. http://www.bigasoft.com If this is just a one time thing you might find someone local with FinalCut to do the conversion for you. I'm surprised that the manufacturer's software didn't come with the ability to convert their files to something more universal. From: Norm Rowe nrow...@roadrunner.com To: g3-5 g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 10:55:32 AM Subject: Video convertion I need to convert MOD/MOI files from my JVC video camera to something I can but on a DVD for playback on my home DVD player. Thanks Norm nrow...@roadrunner.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best OS for MDD
Part of the answer is going to depend upon what you want this machine to do. What program or programs do you want or need to run on it? Will this be set in network with other CPUs or will this be a solo operating machine? While OS 9.2.2 may run fastest and use the least amount of ram, if you can't run the program(s) you need to, or can't network with other computers when using it then it doesn't help you out. Finding the balance between the needs and capabilities with speed and compatibilities is the trick. From: Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 9:38:07 PM Subject: Best OS for MDD Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have a MDD Tower with the following specs: Hardware Overview: Machine Name:Power Mac G4 Machine Model:PowerMac3,6 CPU Type:PowerPC G4 (2.1) Number Of CPUs:2 CPU Speed:1 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU):256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU):2 MB Memory:2 GB Bus Speed:133 MHz Boot ROM Version:4.4.8f2 What would be the fastest/best OS for this? Thanks! -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 With Squeaky Hard Drive
Are both drives squeaking or just one of them? You might try disassembling them and checking the interior for signs of wear. It might tell you what is rubbing and causing the squeak, you may be able to realign it or lubricate the offending area. If it requires lubricating then I wouldn't put much hope in the drive(s) lasting that long. You might consider talking to the manufacturer, tell them what you just purchased and what the issues are, you may be able to get replacements for little or no money. Couldn't hurt to ask. From: geno.y gene.y...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 6:36:40 PM Subject: G3 With Squeaky Hard Drive Hi All, The other day I bought 2 brand new SCSI drives from Computer Geeks off ebay. The drives were so cheap, I couldn’t resist. I got what I paid for. Both new drives make a squeaky sound, sort of like a squeaky wheel. It’s consistent, happens every 35 seconds or so. I know this isn’t a good thing, but does it mean imminent drive failure or is it just a nuisance sound? I hate to RMA them, shipping will cost as much as the drives. Just looking for opinions from the forum. I’ve had drive make a lot of clicking sounds but never a squeak. New drives: IBM Ultrastar 73LZX 9GB 10k 4MB 68-pin SCSI Hard Drive -Series: Ultrastar 73LZX -Model: IC35L009UWD210-0 Installed them into my: B/W G3 - 350Mhz / Rev. 2 OS 9.2.2. Ram 896MB Adaptec APD-29160N U160 SCSI PCI Card For MAC TIA Geno -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
