Re: Fix or Replace 1GHz G4
The G4 was great, but in my case, the power supplies died, and 4 G4s went to Mac heaven. I'd check if the G5 can handle the SW you're concerned about. This was my solution, and the G5 was easily found at a reasonable price. In my case, it was a Video capture device that needed Leopard. And the G5 was less than $200. You do need to make the leap to Sata drives, but they are very cheap, and the migration, easy. On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 4:41:23 PM UTC-5, nick.rhind wrote: > > I have a 1GHz mirrored-door G4 (M8689) that I need to run a piece of > legacy lab equipment. It boots up fine and seems to run well, but after > several minutes the monitor turns off and, a few moments later, the > computer shuts down. For what it is worth, the fan has been running > constantly for the past few months. If anyone has any advice about how to > repair the poor old thing, I would greatly appreciate it. If not, > suggestions for a good source for a replacement would be useful. My online > searches have not but fruitful. > > Thanks, > Nick > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Dead MDD?
On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-4, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: > > Unplug it, press the CUDA switch a couple times, then plug it back in. > > I’ve had issues like this with computers subject to power line issues like > brownouts and such…basically the startup circuitry gets confused and the > computer won’t start. > > With a MDD this could also be the flaky power supply as well. Every MDD we > ever had eventually needed a PS replacement, and this was the symptom. > > > After my last MDD (of 5 I owned) power supply died, I found a G5 to run PPC apps that required Leopard. Not to mention some peripherals that I still wanted to use. I loved my MDDs, but the time and cost to replace the supply was more than just buying the G5 which seems to not have this issue. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: PowerMac G5 Tower Memory?
It's listed as A1047 1.8GHz Dual core. http://www.everymac.com shows it can be PCI or PCI-X, and I see the Max RAM is 4GB or 8GB depending. It will arrive later today so I'll know exactly what I have and decide from there. Kingston RAM described below is $20 / 2GB vs $32 for memory claiming low density 'guaranteed to work' in this G5. On Monday, March 18, 2013 6:45:47 PM UTC-4, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Mar 18, 2013, at 3:39 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetax...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I ordered a G5 this week, $80 shipped. It only has 1.5GB memory and I'm looking to bump that. I see 400 MHz, PC 3200 DIMMs with the warning Maximum number of memory devices on DDR SDRAM: 16 and Non-ECC. On some memory seller sites, I see warnings about high density vs low density, not quite sure what that means. Will this work? Kingston 2GB (2x1GB) PC3200 DDR 400MHz Desktop RAM,184-pin, non-ECC, KTH-D530/1G Yeah it should work. You're right about the high versus low density on some macs, dunno if it applies to the G5 in question (you didn't mention which G5 model you got). A reliable source for memory configuration info (and memory!) is Data Memory Systems http://www.datamemorysystems.com If DMS says your mac can have 'X' configuration and 'Y' max ram, they're right. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
PowerMac G5 Tower Memory?
I ordered a G5 this week, $80 shipped. It only has 1.5GB memory and I'm looking to bump that. I see 400 MHz, PC 3200 DIMMs with the warning Maximum number of memory devices on DDR SDRAM: 16 and Non-ECC. On some memory seller sites, I see warnings about high density vs low density, not quite sure what that means. Will this work? Kingston 2GB (2x1GB) PC3200 DDR 400MHz Desktop RAM,184-pin, non-ECC, KTH-D530/1Ghttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingston-2GB-2x1GB-PC3200-DDR-400MHz-Desktop-RAM-184-pin-non-ECC-KTH-D530-1G-/261184715614?pt=US_Memory_RAM_hash=item3ccfd27b5e The image shows 8 chips per side. I recall when loading up my MDD G4, I needed to be careful as there were flavors of DRAM that weren't going to work. Sorry to leave the G4s behind, but this system was cheaper than a used PS. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Are the G5 power supplies as bad as the G4 was?
I've not heard back from the guy selling ATX to MDD (G4) PS converters. Too bad. I know the G5 machines are SATA, but if I am willing to let go of the G4 units, and just transfer the PPc-only software, the G5 should run what I'd like to still access. Is the G5 PS failure rate as high as the MDD G4 series? If you've not read my PS question prior, I now have 4 dead MDD G4's. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Are the G5 power supplies as bad as the G4 was?
Sorry, yes, tower. Given the choice, it may make sense to grab one for my needs. On Friday, March 15, 2013 5:00:12 PM UTC-4, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: G5 towers? no; in my experience those have been quite reliable. G5 iMacs were made at the height of the Capacitor Plague and have had consistent issues with bad caps on both the logic board and the power supply. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Google Reader going away, now what?
I just use the News and Blogs reader in Thunderbird. Anything not great with this option? On Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:47:20 AM UTC-4, a1 wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9237592/Google_Reader_several_other_services_axed Google Reader is probably my most used web app of all. Why would they do this? And what to do now with a PPC/Leopard setup? I don't really like NetNewsWire for a variety of reasons. I don't like the little ads, I do not like how it takes me to a webpage for a blog rather than presenting the content within itself. On Aurora, Google Reader blocks ads and many other good things to keep it low-end. Also count me among those opposed to Wordpress esp without a good rss reader! Why can't the Wordpress content automatically be forwarded to extant email lists? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Google Reader going away, now what?
Understood. Yes, I read it like mail on one computer only. I can see how that's not ideal for many people. On Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:05:48 AM UTC-4, a1 wrote: I am not a real fan of the Thunderbird interface, either, and like NetNewsWire, it is tethered to one computer, isn't it? Here is a good article discussing the situation. Man is Google messing up. http://web.appstorm.net/roundups/rssfeeds/google-reader-is-dead-heres-what-you-need-to-replace-google-reader/ On Mar 14, 8:44 am, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: I just use the News and Blogs reader in Thunderbird. Anything not great with this option? On Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:47:20 AM UTC-4, a1 wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9237592/Google_Reader_several_... Google Reader is probably my most used web app of all. Why would they do this? And what to do now with a PPC/Leopard setup? I don't really like NetNewsWire for a variety of reasons. I don't like the little ads, I do not like how it takes me to a webpage for a blog rather than presenting the content within itself. On Aurora, Google Reader blocks ads and many other good things to keep it low-end. Also count me among those opposed to Wordpress esp without a good rss reader! Why can't the Wordpress content automatically be forwarded to extant email lists? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: MDD G4 Power supply recomendations?
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:43:01 AM UTC-5, grizzledgiant wrote: On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:33 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: One by one, my MDD G4 collection has seen their power supplies fail. It seems the exact form factor is not available as a new product, only used. Which is tough, as it would probably fail soon anyway. Anyone have experience replacing these? Any advice on best model to fit inside the MDD case? I bought an ATX 400W supply and waited to start the conversion process. Now that I tested it, it's a DOA. My mistake waiting so long, but though I'd ask here before throwing more money at this. Hey Joe and others: There is a New York company that rebuilds/repairs the G4 MDD power supply. Just use Google to search for New York, G4 MDD, rebuild Power Supply. They want about $80 for the job. Bob Thanks for the lead, but the one new york place that results has a note they don't do this any more. I'll keep looking. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: MDD G4 Power supply recomendations?
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:05:45 PM UTC-5, tr...@prismnet.com wrote: On Feb 20, 1:43 am, No No grizzledgia...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Joe and others: There is a New York company that rebuilds/repairs the G4 MDD power supply. Just use Google to search for New York, G4 MDD, rebuild Power Supply. They want about $80 for the job. All things considered, I bet it's less time and expense to just get a rebuild as mentioned above. However, I've been wondering if these would fit or could be made to fit: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251172364599? ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649http://www.ebay.com/itm/251172364599?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Jeff Walther Looks like a good shape but it's a used supply. If I'm going to buy used, I'd try to get the exact form factor with MDD voltage pinout. Right now, I'm leaning towards http://atxg4.com/ for the adapter, and just trying to find an ATX supply that makes sense. I'm willing to pull the optical drives out and drill holes to vent out the side if I have to. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: MDD G4 Power supply recomendations?
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:32:12 PM UTC-5, grizzledgiant wrote: On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:38 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: Hey Joe and others: There is a New York company that rebuilds/repairs the G4 MDD power supply. Just use Google to search for New York, G4 MDD, rebuild Power Supply. They want about $80 for the job. Bob Thanks for the lead, but the one new york place that results has a note they don't do this any more. I'll keep looking. Sorry to hear that. Maybe time for an earlier G4 or a G5? Bob Well, I have 4 dead MDD G4s, and would still like to get 2 working. I'd upgraded over the years, and even have a couple SATA cards in two of them, it would be a shame to call it quits. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
MDD G4 Power supply recomendations?
One by one, my MDD G4 collection has seen their power supplies fail. It seems the exact form factor is not available as a new product, only used. Which is tough, as it would probably fail soon anyway. Anyone have experience replacing these? Any advice on best model to fit inside the MDD case? I bought an ATX 400W supply and waited to start the conversion process. Now that I tested it, it's a DOA. My mistake waiting so long, but though I'd ask here before throwing more money at this. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions
With all due respect - this should be started on a new thread, not a highjack of this one. On Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:09:50 AM UTC-5, TubaMan wrote: Dear Listers, I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs. I think that many of us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models. Your thoughts? Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Print spool question?
Yes, I'd bet you'll see it there, but only for printing. Good news is that you still have the receipt, most likely. On Saturday, December 15, 2012 12:01:59 AM UTC-5, Kris Tilford wrote: but is most likely cached in the printer spooler. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver
Beautiful manual you linked to. Anyone have a similar document for the MDD G4 series? I'm accumulating non-functioning MDD G4s, and confirming they are dead PS would be a great first step. This sounds like a dead power supply. I worked with a professor's QS here that had the same symptoms. Here's how to test the power supply: http://www.scribd.com/doc/55669677/66/Power-Supply-Veri%EF%AC%81cation you'll need a voltmeter -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Music stream capture app?
Audio Hijack allows for advanced settings. For example, to capture a scheduled show. There are still a few radio shows that are not archived, so setting AH to record a weekly saturday night show was a great option. It also has silence detection, so if you let it run with Pandora most songs will be separate sound files. On Monday, August 6, 2012 8:26:43 AM UTC-4, Gary D. wrote: On Monday, August 6, 2012 9:28:30 AM UTC+2, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm sure there are more. Yes, for example Pezio at http://rogueamoeba.com/piezo/ for $10. Supposedly simple and easy to use. I have Audio Hijack Pro - not so easy to use. Gary -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quad G5 power consumption
see http://support.apple.com/kb/TA24037 165W idle, 550W max, so probably 400W-450W or so. 2400W can be a problem, a normal single 15A outlet won't handle it. And 2.4KWH cost me nearly 40cents and hour. That's $10/day. A lot of money to tinker around. On Monday, July 30, 2012 3:55:33 PM UTC-4, Illirik wrote: Does anyone have any figures as to peak quad G5 power consumption? The University has six spares and I think I wanna make a Beowulf cluster for kicks. -- -- Illirik Smirnov -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: i just recently picked up s poermac any mods that you thik are usefull?
I assume you mean 2GB RAM. That's full up. These models need a USB 2.0 card. They should be pretty cheap, less than $20, maybe even $10. That's about the only need for these machines. On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:34:02 AM UTC-4, Geoff fleshman wrote: ITS DUAL 1.42 GHZ proc 2 gigs of storage but i intend on adding atleast two more.im not using it for vifeo just recording music.any suggested mods i shoud make? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 not waking up well
First, I am a bit OCD. I got carried away with my love of the G4, and own 5. One bought new at list price the other 4 off eBay. Two have power supplies that bit the dust. So three are still well. The three are all running Leopard. Two of the three go to sheep and wake up nicely. One has an issue. On waking, the screen is hosed. It's not viewable and can't recover. So, this machine can't be put to sleep. I've done the math, and leaving these puppies on 24/7 costs $16/mo. So I prefer to keep them asleep when I can. Any ideas here? I have two in my home office, and the one I've been using is the sleep deprived one, so I'm tempted to swap drives and see if the problem is with the hardware or follows the drives/OS. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 not waking up well
You guys were right, the video card itself was the issue. The good one's card had no name I could share, but I pulled the two cards out of the insomniac Mac, and it's running fine. I'll swap cards into other working Mac (There were two cards in bad one) to identify bad video card. I also have cards from the two G4s with bad power supplies. So I'm now good to go. I'd never have suspected these cards to be the issue. Much thanks. /Joe On Jun 5, 4:22 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:03 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: First, I am a bit OCD. I got carried away with my love of the G4, and own 5. One bought new at list price the other 4 off eBay. Two have power supplies that bit the dust. So three are still well. The three are all running Leopard. Two of the three go to sheep and wake up nicely. One has an issue. On waking, the screen is hosed. It's not viewable and can't recover. So, this machine can't be put to sleep. I ran into this recently. Swapping the video card resolves it. I think the the card was an older design and wasn't fully supported by the driver. What is the model of video card in the in-sleep able machine. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 not waking up well
The Bad Board was Powercolor ATI Radeon 7000 64MB PCI It put out a great picture, digital analog and video to TV outputs, but killed the sleep on the G4s. So now both my machines in home office can sleep. Next, is to find the quiet(er) fans from the dead G4s. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can you Burn DVD/CDs on PowerMac G3 400MHz?
I suppose everything has a price at which it will sell, but I'd recommend a G4 as the lowest level Mac worth buying. The 1.25 GHz MDD G4 are going for $150 or less and if I may say, are the sweet spot for MIPS/$ when it comes to old Macs. It will run Leopard fairly well, and I still use mine for digitizing video (via an external digitizer thru firewire). To directly answer the question, yes, the G3 burns just fine. On Feb 25, 12:43 am, Eleni elen...@otenet.gr wrote: Can you Burn DVD/CDs on PowerMac G3 400MHz under Mac OS 8.6? How capable are these PowerMac G3 400MHz? What if you have max memory installed (1GB)? Just saw one on ebay in mint condition, is it worth buying? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Installing a replacement internal speaker in a G4 mdd Tower
Glad to hear from you. No soldering, that wire pulls right off, the connector has a tiny clip action, just hold it up a bit with your fingernail. Good luck! On Feb 14, 12:31 am, Robert Lee rapcity...@gmail.com wrote: *Thanks it's very helpful. I will give it a try.* On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 11:45 AM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.comwrote: snip -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Installing a replacement internal speaker in a G4 mdd Tower
Robert - Please forgive the large file size http://www.joetaxpayer.com/robert.jpg will show you the connection. It was faster to photoshoot than to find a site showing it. Any questions, please ask. Confirm you got it ok, so I can remove it. The wire loops behind the optical drives, a bit of a pain, but you can just keep in front in you're careful. On Feb 8, 7:54 pm, Robert Lee rapcity...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to install a new replacement internal speaker and I'm having second thoughts about doing it myself. I can't even see where it connects to the motherboard. Me being visually impaired has some to do with it but it's initial installation was well done at the time of it's manufacture. Any one have a guide or know where one is posted? Thanks in advance. Robert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: new to the MAC universe.
Tina, I do know, the hard way. Jane 2.0 and I are at the mall, and she asks to go to the mac store. You know where that got me. :) On Feb 2, 1:38 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: MAC = Media Access Control Mac = PC sold by Apple M‧A‧C = Cosmetics line Mix them up and there's no telling what you'll get. ;-) Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 or G5?
295, wow. Mine shows 180 peak, and there are 4 drives in it. What's going on in that Mac, John? I have the Pro, too, Quad 2.66 mid-10 model. Not taken its wattage yet, I'll let you know what I see. On Jan 10, 10:19 am, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:36 PM, arichic...@gmail.com wrote: My G4 MDD 1.25 was 295 watts. My PPC G5 dual 2.7 averages 410 watts and my Mac Pro is 98 watts both doing the same work most of the time, however the G5's are much faster then the G4's. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
David - these need to be fully working? Any value left in 1.25 Dual MDD with failed PS? You cannibalizing or only repurposing? I imagine the parts especially processor board must still be worth hanging on to? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 fro G4 MDD
I have a 1.25GHz MDD G4. It was the last OS9 - booting machine. I recall getting the 9.2.2 disc mailed to me as it came out after I bought my Mac. Why won't this disc work for you? On Jan 3, 10:18 pm, Oliver Fairhall o.fairh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I need to run OS 9.2.2 on a G4 Mirrored Drive Door (latest model, 167 MHz bus, not FW800). I don't have the original OS disks, and don't know what to look out for when finding a replacement. According to this page: http://lowendmac.com/ed/rosen/11ar/mdd-mac-os-9-install.html I need the original disks for my model. The OS 9.2.2 retail disk won't work. I've been looking around for a set of the original disks, but having trouble determining which one's would work for me. They seem to be labelled 'G4' but not specifically for my model. Any suggestions would be most welcome. I need to run software which will only operate in OS 9, and want to boot into it natively. Thanks for any help. Cheers, Oli -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iLife '05 on Leopard? Is there a way to make iDVD 5.0.1 run on Mac OS X 10.5.8?
iDVD 7.0.4 running fine on my PPC G4. Leopard. On Jan 6, 2:40 pm, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: Hi! I've got a bundle installation of GarageBand, iDVD, iMovie HD and iPhoto from my Power Mac G5 (Late 2005, Dual-Core, 2 GHz), originally with Mac OS X 10.4.2 pre-installed (restored using the Restore DVDs). Now, after upgrading to Mac OS X 10.5.8 (with steps in between to 10.4.11, 10.5.4) I noticed that I can actually use all iLife applications, with the one exception: iDVD. The versions installed are: GarageBand 2.0.2 iMovie HD 5.0.2 iPhoto 5.0.4 iDVD is latest version 5.0.1, but it keeps complaining about running on a not supported version of Mac OS X. AFAIK iDVD is Intel only. The other stuff will run on PPC 10.5.8. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 From iMac Core Duo 2.0 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?
Macs are sold with the OS all the time. I believe that (a) it's safe to sell with real OS discs or (b) with original OS for that model. Common sense tells me I shouldn't sell a Leopard OS G4 without the disc to go along. (FWIW - After a G4 I bought on eBay came with Leopard, and I liked it, I bought the family pack of Leo.) On Jan 2, 9:40 pm, cheryl chelyh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not savvy about any of this, so if I sound like an idiot, that is why. The two machines I have I bought used with the operating systems already installed and no disks and I have never had to clear a computer, hard drive, whatever in order to sell it. I read somewhere that if I sell a used computer I am supposed to remove the OS before I do. On Jan 2, 4:58 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012/01/02 17:11, Valter Prahlad so eloquently wrote: Il giorno 2-01-2012 23:54, cheryl ha scritto: I have two old Macs that I want to wipe the data from. Can I do that myself? Do you mean erasing the whole drive, or just the user's data? In other words: do you want an empty drive, or a working Mac (booting and with apps) but without any of your data left? Giving that the subject line is: How do I remove an *OS* from a computer, I think it's pretty plain. The earlier answer about booting from an install disc, launching Disk Utility, clicking on the desired drive, then erase, and then going into Security Options... and choosing how many times you want it overwritten, is the answer you're looking for. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?
Crazy? You'd be crazy only if it didn't do what you needed and made you miserable. (Which certainly makes the case for most windows users, but I digress.) I still have my MDD G4s and they're very useful. They still rip DVDs, browse the web, transcode video to work on my TiVo, and run iTunes to load my iPod. As long as it works, be happy. By the way, have a plan for when it fails. At some point, the power supply will die and you'll want to transfer files to a new machine. I have 5 G4s in the house, 2 have died so far. On Jan 2, 12:40 pm, gira93 diskce...@gmail.com wrote: I'm writing this because a friend said i was crazy just because i use such an old mac for the everyday use. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Saving a G5
On Dec 20, 9:06 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Dec 20, 2011, at 6:15 PM, JohnV wrote: These beasts are power hungry, I believe the power supply can be 800w or greater, the final G5 had a 1 kw power supply I think? from http://support.apple.com/kb/TA27205 - the June 2004 G5 idles at 120W with max power at 406W. If we average at 250W, that's about 170KWH per month. This would add $25/mo to my electric bill (at 15 cents the KWH). Which is why when this occurred to me, I set my G4s to sleep when left alone for a bit. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hd
More than that in some cases. I bough a 3TB drive not long ago, Hitatchi. Was $120. Today the exact same drive is $250. (HDD 3T| HITACHI 0S03230 5.4 K) The Thailand floods are having a huge impact on the bare drive market. Glad I am in no rush to buy more storage right now. On Nov 26, 10:22 am, Baldassare Guzzo guz...@gmail.com wrote: PM G4 933 with lots of goodies. I have an external enclosure that I want to add a sata drive to use as a back up. Did hard drive prices just jump up like 30% in the last month or is it my imagination? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you share....
The floods in Thailand really destroyed the production for a while. Seagate 1.5TB ext, $90 at Staples. Not SATA, it's USB, but that gives you one price point. I'd expect the drive guys to be using their highest density for enclosed drives to get the most return. It was the motor production that was hit hardest. On Nov 24, 12:11 am, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: your best Black Friday deal...I know I'm looking for a SATA Hard drive for desktop... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver
Is the QS 933 a dual? Mind my asking how much it went for? I've seen the MDD G4 (w/2GB RAM) shipped for under $150 now. Curious about the tradeoff between price and need for upgrades. Some G5s are sporting enough memory that the price of the memory alone is worth more than the whole G5. Just my observation. On Nov 20, 7:26 am, PeteMo petemo...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto the sentiment that the QS range only went up to a Dual Proc 1.0GHz G4. Having said that I'm getting a QS 933 MHz and an AGP 500 MHz via eBay in a few days and intend to upgrade as much as I can. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself… opinions please.
I'm now convinced the power supply is the weakest link in the MDD. I peaked at having 5 working systems. 1 bought new, the rest on eBay. The bought-new was the first to die, and recently, another. Both fails are pretty certain the PS. An intermittent problem is tougher to diagnose, but I've not seen PRAM battery lead to this symptom. On Nov 17, 1:28 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: Here we have an MDD powermac G4, 2gb ram Leopard 10.5.8 stock video with the only modification being a USB2.0 card. The other night, the machine just powered down all by itself ... looks like PRAM battery? clock is doing the usual mishap... Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver
The eBay Listing I see says QS as you noted, but P/N 820-1452-A which looks like an MDD board. I added a SATA card to my MDD and am happy I did it. Extra RAM can't hurt. On Nov 16, 11:09 am, Gene Henley mhenl...@verizon.net wrote: I am trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 733Mhz. I`m open for most suggestions EXCEPT Get rid of it and buy a G5. PLEASE! I have Tiger,and 1 gig of memory. I was given a 1 gig QuicksilverCPU,unknown reliability. I have a SATA internal drive which I have been advised will give me a faster computer if an internal SATA card and driveare installed What are opinions about the Highpoint Rocket SATA PCI-Express 2.0X1 controller? An ebay seller advertizes a 1.25 Gig Quicksilver CPU without heat sink. I`m confused. I did not know Quicksilver was 1.25 gig cpu spec. capable. Maybe that CPU is actually MDD? I`m listening. Thanks Cheers Gene -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
iPad on New Laptop
An iPad has been synced with a G4, the user is my daughter, she has her own iTune account. She has a MacBook, and has iTunes on it as well, so I suggested she move from the (family room) G4 to her own computer for syncing. What is the risk in syncing with a different computer? Will the laptop know to just load up the apps and tunes she bought on the G4? I want to make sure she doesn't lose these paid apps or iTune purchases. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPad on New Laptop
On Nov 15, 5:59 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: This will work just fine. iTunes purchases (apps, music, video, books) will transfer just fine, photos,non-iTunes store movies, synched addresses, and non-iTunes store music will be lost. Some non-itunes music from sources like Amazon will let you re-download your purchases. Thanks, we'll just be sure to save MP3/ripped music in a folder to reload if need be. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Server Idea
For an easy to install method, I've used PogoPlug. It started as a hardware addon to create a cloud accessible Harddrive, but now is a software offering. The free version allows file transfer but no streaming audio/video, the paid level allows this. On Nov 14, 1:03 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:01 AM -0700 11/14/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 14, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: FTP Access doesn't show up in my list of Services under System Preferences Sharing ... I'm running OS X 10.5.8 ... http://www.ehow.com/how_4674062_set-server-mac-os-leopard.html wow. Could they add another step perhaps? Apple is channeling Microsloth, burrying simple options under subsequent dialogs. I really hate that Apple is going to such efforts to dumb down the GUI with each release of the OS. Intentionally creating OS X Vista is *unacceptable*! - Dan. -- - Be Prepared! http://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G5 or older Mac
My bad. See http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/mac-benchmarks/ Your QS has a benchmark rating of 857. As another poster stated, stay with the 2.3GHz G5, air cooled, it has a benchmark of 1967, about 2.3X your current QS. On Nov 9, 3:27 pm, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: Take your time and watch eBay listings. I am floored by the fact that the Dual 2.5GHz is now under $200 shipped. I mean a sale yesterday for $91+$50 shipping = $141. It contained 2.5GB RAM, no HD, but if you already own an OS disc and have drives. I don't know the benchmarks for these units, but I'd expect it will be greater than 3X the 1GHz machine you have. At $200, I'm tempted to update one of my older G4s, even though I have a newer Mac Pro. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
I'd be curious to see what performance boost you observe. With a bus at 167MHz, you may find, depending on the application, that the bottleneck isn't the processor speed. There are use cases where faster processors add no improvement at all. On Nov 6, 6:15 pm, David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that message par, I have a dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU board on it's way to me right now that is intended to replace my current dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU's, and I am hoping that it will be an easy switch from one to the other in my MDD G4 PowerMac when it arrives. I am also interested in possibly over- clocking the 1.42GHz G4 CPU's to 1.5GHz, or 1.67GHz to give it the maximum amount of speed difference, over the performance I now have with my stock 1.25GHz G4's. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
I suppose. I don't imagine there's much demand for a SCSI 3GB drive. For the fact that I long ago lost the ability to talk to this drive and didn't know what personal data was on there, I destroyed it. Just to share, I'm not an enemy of Green, I donated the G3s and any higher capacity drives to a good cause. 80GB PATA seem to have some value. Let's see how long that lasts. On Oct 26, 12:31 pm, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:19 AM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.comwrote: (I just threw out a 3GB drive I paid $300 for) And yet you could have recycled it Or wiped it and sold it on a place like eBay On Oct 26, 10:36 am, Bruce Johnson john...@.arizona.edujohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Note this may force Apple's hand, supply-wise, to accelerate it's adoption of solid-state drives across the line. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 Card for MDD G4
You can't go wrong with Sonnet. My G4s have an Adaptec card, only 2 ports, but that's all I really need at high speed. They were just $10 if I remember correctly. On Oct 26, 1:52 pm, Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net wrote: Of these two cards, which would be better for an MDD G4 running OS 10.4.11? Sonnet Allegro:http://www.sonnettech.com/product/allegro_usb2.html The no-name card shown as 1st item on this page:http://tinyurl.com/ 3avcnam Thanks for the help. Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
480Mb/s not fast enough to keep up with a photo slide show? That's strange. On Oct 27, 3:06 pm, Bill Connelly billycarmac...@verizon.net wrote: But, I tried to use Slideshow option from Preview, and Preview crashed. I don't think USB 2 was fast enough to keep up with the show. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
Not long ago, I bought an 80GB SSD, $160. My latest HD was 3TB for $120 $2/GB vs 4cents/GB. The price of both keep dropping (I just threw out a 3GB drive I paid $300 for) but I don't see these technologies crossing over, the 50 to 1 gap may narrow over time, but will see where it flattens. 10 to 1 maybe? The idea of SSD is great, and in a laptop, using the cloud for longer term storage, etc, but the desktop user will still want the 1TB+ drives and the OP here was taking external storage. On Oct 26, 10:36 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Note this may force Apple's hand, supply-wise, to accelerate it's adoption of solid-state drives across the line. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
I think Bruce feels n is far lower than you or I do. I understand the technologies are different, but the cost curve for dollars per GB looks a lot like those for semiconductor density/ Moore's Law. So will the ratio drop from 50 to 1 to 10 to one in ten years? Maybe. As you say, there are distinct uses now or SSD, I bought the 80GB drive for a laptop and the boot time is now super. And yes, the battery time is great as well. iPads 64GB is enough especially with iCloud and easy syncing. As absolute pricing comes down, and a 1TB SSD is $100 vs a 25TB HD, more may choose SSD. I've seen graphs of drive pricing, not for SSD. I'd be curious. On Oct 26, 12:55 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: For the next n years, however, NAND (flash) memory is NOT going to be cheap or reliable enough to really replace real HDs. The ONLY reason to use a SSD is if there is some sort of overriding speed or power savings requirement. - Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: non ECC RAM?
Uh. Yes. You are right, Tina. I bought the Mac Pro last summer, and bumped to 12GB, 3 x 4GB sticks. I was told to remove the 4th small stick to improve performance. On Oct 15, 11:51 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011/10/15 21:11, Brielle Bruns wrote: Sticks of ram are done in pairs if they use interleaving to improve performance. There's no such thing as triple or quad (unless its something non-standard and obscure). 4 sticks is basically 2 banks of 2 interleaved sticks. My un-educated internet research revealed that three identical sticks ran faster than two, and four sticks ran inbetween two three stick speeds. Don't remember the url of the test unfortunately. A Google search for triple channel ram returns over 1,000,000 results that seem to say that there is such a thing as triple channel memory, I believe that is what is indicated by the DDR3 designation. http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8oe=utf8q=triple+channel+ram Tina -- HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Onboard graphics XP Pro iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: What is the Highest OSX a Digital Audio G4 can run?
Great details in your response. Much thanks. (snip) And all that is why IMHO Leopard isn't the ideal OS on PowerPCs. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 4s
Any thoughts about upgrading to Leo? I run 10.5.8 on my MDD G4 and it's running very well. It's the last OS that will run on PPC, and I'd expect it will stay supported longer than 10.4. I'm happy I made the jump to this. On Oct 12, 9:35 pm, Baldassare Guzzo guz...@gmail.com wrote: Will an iphone 4S work properly syncing with a G4 running 10.4.11? I have so many problems with the 3GS. Sent from planet earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Maybe off topic?
Go to the router web address, http://192.168.1.1 unless you changed it. Wireless Tab, Wireless Security, then choose security mode. There's a debate as to how weak WEP is, but it stops the casual drive by. You then need to set up each device to use the password. MAC filtering adds a layer of protection on top of that. On Aug 3, 9:19 pm, DAN A CURRIE danc...@frontiernet.net wrote: Hello All, I have been running a G5 2.5 Ghz PPC Dualie with 10.5.8 using wireless internet through a Linksys WRT54G router for several years. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Maybe off topic?
WPA2 is what's recommended, same process to find it as I described. On Aug 4, 8:56 am, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: Go to the router web address,http://192.168.1.1unless you changed it. Wireless Tab, Wireless Security, then choose security mode. There's a debate as to how weak WEP is, but it stops the casual drive by. You then need to set up each device to use the password. MAC filtering adds a layer of protection on top of that. On Aug 3, 9:19 pm, DAN A CURRIE danc...@frontiernet.net wrote: Hello All, I have been running a G5 2.5 Ghz PPC Dualie with 10.5.8 using wireless internet through a Linksys WRT54G router for several years. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: QuickTime 7.7, and Apple's horrible support for Mac OS X
No justification. Maybe Apple has an explanation, but it's tough to see this. I'm using Leo on my 2003 MDD G4s, but I understand how/why not everyone is. I feel your pain, but have my own dilemma on making the move to Lion. On Aug 4, 9:26 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: This just chaps my a**. QuickTime 7.7 was just released. It requires Mac OS X 10.5.8 or newer. It also runs on Windows XP, Vista, and 7. Yes, that's right. This NEW software runs on WINDOWS XP -- that OS from MS that was released in October 2001. Mac OS X 10.3, Panther, shipped in October 2003. and Mac OS X 10.4, Tiger, shipped in April 2005. Apple supports MICROSOFT'S WINDOWS XP, but NOT their own systems that are NEWER! Pitiful. Just pitiful. And we wonder about the ethics of Congress. This is a great example of the Apple Tax. Ok, now ya'll can feel free to justify this, make excuses for Apple... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 10.5
Wow, that's quite the difference, why is SL so much cheaper than Leo? On Jul 26, 6:28 pm, John Martz zjo...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe Bruce failed to mention the price difference. Snow Leopard (10.6) can still be purchased from online retailers for $30 (or less in some cases). Leopard (10.5) will typically run you around $90 or more on eBay. (At least that's the price range I'm used to seeing Leopard auctions finish at). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Virtual Snow Leopard in Lion?
An option for a fast switch back to SL would be great, I agree. As far as the dropping Rosetta, to expect 'forever' support for old software to run on new systems is unreasonable. When I look at activity monitor to see what I will lose, I'm fortunate. Office, I'm running an old version, I actually have a newer one I haven't installed yet. And GraphicConverter. I've used the free version for 15 years. Maybe it's time to pay up and get the latest Intel only version. So far those are my two issues going to lion. On Jul 21, 10:52 am, Rich starrf...@valley.net wrote: I'm pretty annoyed that Apple expects me to replace a lot of apps that have been reliable for years now that they are dropping Rosetta. It's too expensive to consider. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Virtual Snow Leopard in Lion?
That's strange. If I pay for new OSes, don't I still own the prior ones? The license says I need to run it on a Mac. Does Lion License say I give up the prior Snow Leopard? On Jul 21, 5:50 pm, Bruce Rubin centris...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, Or you go virtual... From what I've been reading the past few days, the Apple license doesn't allow doing that. Is that what the ... is for? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac 7300 opins
I'd be hard pressed to find value in these machines. I recently gave away two beige G3s, but even then, I paid shipping to find them a new home. My PowerMac 7xxx were trashed. Sad. Part of the issue with these is they probably burn more power than they are worth. Even the G4 MDDs which I love, run 160W. That's 4KWH/ day, $18/mo. Hmmm. On Jul 20, 3:50 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: I have three Power Mac 7300s plus a partial (parts machine) sitting here idle. Two were outfitted as router/servers - an extra NIC, IPNetRouter, NetPresenz, AFP. I'm in the process now of dusting them off, checking them out, etc. I think they're either /180 or /200. Is there any interest in these old machines? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hello! and question from a relative newbie
Free? Then where does the check I get every few weeks for all my answers come from? Advertising? On Jun 17, 2:38 pm, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: welcome newbie. perhaps you have already learned the most important lesson there is to learn about this list, - the advice is free, and often worth exact what you paid. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
I've been following this thread. Well said, Jonas. Funny, there will always be those who have a negative remark. I don't know if it's 50%, 75%, 82%, but I suspect there are a good number of folk who would be better served by a MDD G4 than their present PC. Throw on a copy of TeamViewer and you can help grandma with whatever minor issues she'd have. For those that want to tinker (I picture the neighbor who always has his head under his car hood) go buy the PC. I don't always want a geek experience, I want a tool that just works. The G4 does that. As does my 2010 Mac Pro. On Jun 17, 6:54 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: True, a G4 system won't serve every user, but a dead Windows system won't serve any users. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
This is true. On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if there's a business in setting up old people with these systems. The usability beats PCs, and for email and browsing, these machines still have some life. I know PC owners paying for techs to come repair their systems, replacing one card or another, and charging more than a G4 would cost. On Jun 16, 1:15 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: There is no profit in selling G3/G4 machines that you have to upgrade. Once in a while you can find a cheap or free machine and parts from different places, but you cannot do it in any reasonable volume over time. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
My G4 plays youtube just fine. It also digitizes video, edits it and burns DVDs. It performs better than many late model PCs I've seen, and it's rock solid. It will play the grandson's video just fine. The PC will quickly get a virus and grandma's bank account will be ripped off a week later. I can come up with crazy fear invoking imagery as well... On Jun 16, 4:24 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, there is a market for ripping off the elderly (which is what happens). You can buy brand new netbooks extremely cheap, why mess around with an old bulky clunker that will not work with skype or youtube? I don't see how OSX is any better then Windows XP/7 for a person who isn't a big computer user, they are both easy enough to learn. Do you want to see the look on grandma's face when her grandson sends he a video of his special day and grandma cannot play it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 with 1GHz ZIF upgrade worth it?
If one can measure in MIPS per dollar, the MDD Dual 1.25GHz G4 is at the sweet spot. Between the bus speed, memory cost, etc, the only upgrade most of these need is the USB 2.0 card. I've seen $200 shipped not too long ago. The run Leopard just fine. I've picked up 3 on eBay, all still running. The dead G4 is the one I bought brand new, go figure. Look at the listings, 2GB memory alone is worth $100. On Jun 7, 10:47 am, Tanner Musyj moosey...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering if i would be worth it to replace my currrent PowerMac G4 867Mhz with a G3 of some sort with a 1GHz processor upgrade. All I need it for is some rough video editing mostly, so I'd add Firewire cards. Would a 1GHz G3 outperform a 867 G4? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
Well, if you know Kalyway, then you know that any hack disc image is going to have a name. IPC 10.5.6 Final was just one that worked for this poster. Google it, you'll see downloads available. On May 10, 12:27 pm, Jack Countryman jcoun...@mac.com wrote: IPC 10.5.6?? What's IPC mean here, or where do I find that version of 10.5.6? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Correct CPU for FW800 MDD
From http://i7processor.co.cc/compare/apple-g4-125-ghz-dual-processor-card-powerpc-32-B002V6V66I it appears the first one, the 1470 is for PowerPC 3.2. My FW800 says it's a PowerPC 3.3 And here http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Processor-Module-for-Power-Mac-G4-1.2GHz-Dual-FW400-820-1472-A-661-2707-p-33063.html says the 1472 is also for the FW400 model. I don't think either are for the 800. But can't be certain. On May 8, 10:39 am, Hal jedi@earthlink.net wrote: Hi, I have seen two CPU model numbers for a Dual 1.25GHz CPU that goes into the MDDs. One is 820-1470-A and the other is 820-1472-A. Is either one designed specifically for the FW800 model? Thanks! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)
I found the same cycle with PATA hard drives. 500MB for $75 but 2TB SATA for $80. So I picked up a SATA PCI cards for my G4 MDDs. Asking - will they drive optical drives as well? When optical PATA goes away, that may become the only option. On May 9, 3:54 pm, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: PATA DVDRW drives are getting hard to find. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)
On May 3, 3:51 pm, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com wrote: I have a Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) with 512 MB. It is in good shape and runs faultlessly. Is it worth while to upgrade the memory to 2.0 GB considering the age of the machine and it's resale value? Thank you This is the 350-500MHz machine? Single core? I'd pass. Memory is about $25/512M. I'd put the $75 toward a Dual Core MDD, 1GHz or 1.25. Last one of these I bought had 2GB memory built in, and was under $200. I see this model (@1.25GHz) for $180 with free shipping. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but this machine runs Leopard and is the sweet spot for price/performance. It only shows its age when doing a video encode, all else is great. (Oh, you must add a USB 2.0 card. that's about it) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)
I think the extra $100 (from the $75 you'd pay for memory alone) will get you the Dual 1.25GHz. 5X the power. Do it. On May 3, 8:13 pm, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com wrote: Thanks for your response. Mactracker says the AGP will accept 2 GB of ram and this is the 500 MHZ model and I am running Tiger on it. It also has a four port USB 2.0 card in it. What do you think? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New addition to my tool kit...
On Apr 1, 4:37 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: ...something everyone who works with computers should have in their kit... http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10622 I'm buying a bunch! This is ridiculous. I paid over twice the price for half the portion they are selling here. I guess I got ripped off. :( -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
On Mar 23, 12:29 am, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 22, 11:57 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Oh puleeeze. You're claiming a dual 1.25 Ghz G4 on a 333 mHz bus can compare to a Mac Pro (which at a MINIMUM has 2 2.66Ghz dual core Xeons with 667 Mhz memory bus) with a few COMPILER TWEAKS??? (which tweaks, BTW, Apple's dev tools pretty much apply automatically when you select PPC as a compile target) i never claimed any such thing! re-read the post, bruce. if you want to win the discussion so desperately that you will resort to putting words in my mouth, then you only underscore the weakness of your own position. what i said was that PPC versus intel of comparable clock speeds was no contest. given software well written for each, the PPC was damned near twice as fast as the intel on real world computationally intensive tasks. Ok, I'll ask - I am well aware of how AltiVec functioned. And no argument that an Intel-written SW may not properly run on a PPC to take advantage. Honest question though - Doesn't Intel have a similar functioning SIMD unit? Also 128bit wide? If that's the case, I'd expect that a 4x2.8GHz machine to be 4.48X as fast as a 2x1.25GHz machine, given the similarity between both SIMD units. The near 10X improvement I see proves your point, to me, at least, that the code was not optimized for PPC, specifically AltiVec. I have the latest DVD rip I'm sending to a TiVo, will run on both machines to confirm exact ratio I see. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
I have the latest DVD rip I'm sending to a TiVo, will run on both machines to confirm exact ratio I see. So, the DVD I transcoded from rips, the MDD Dual 1.25 G4 = 115 min, the Quad 2.8 Intel = 19 min. 1/6 the time. It was an 1:35 long DVD, encoded to .mpg for TiVo. Some other format changes seem to have a larger ratio, 8-10 to 1 in some cases. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
Tina - you hit the nail on the head here. I was running Dual 1.25GHz MDD G4 which I still love, 3 of them helping to keep my house warm. The only thing they are slow at is the video encode. You Tube, no issue. But the encode? 2-4 hours per hour of video depending on the format change. I bought the same Mac Pro you have, and it flies, less than 1/10th the time to do the same encodes. Truth is, I am not a power user, but as the G4s were nearing 8 years old, it was my family that pretty much told me I need to spend some money on myself. And yes, it's cool to take a video off a camera and see it on the tivo a few minutes later. On Mar 22, 12:41 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: And if you don't believe this, try running Handbrake on a VIDEO_TS folder. It should be done in a day or three, whereas a Macbook Pro will probably finish in about half the time, maybe less. I have a sentimental attachment to my PPC Macs, and was sorry to see Apple switch to Intel (AMD anyone?), Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
On Mar 22, 10:42 am, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: there you go AGAIN, confusing software performance with CPU performance. the apps you refer to were written for the Win/Tel architecture, and ported to the PPC by lazy and/or incompetent boobs who wouldn't or couldn't rewrite the program from the ground up in such a way as to fully exploit the Altivec processor. ? No, I was just looking at it from the user perspective. At some level, the Mac is a black box performing a function. Now, if you said you had an alternative video encoder that can change formats for me, paid or free, to go from any format to either one compatible with my iTunes/iPad or TiVo, that would have been interesting. A lecture on AltiVec, not so much. a 1 gig intel processor does a billion floating-point operations per second, while a 1 gig PPC does one billion 64-bit vector operations per second. it is theoretically 64 times faster than an intel CPU with the same clock speed, but only if you have programmers smart enough and industrious enough to exploit its full power. 64 times? Well, actually, I am unfamiliar enough with Intel to not speak to it. AltiVec is a 128bit SIMD, so 4 simultaneous 32 bit operands, but this is a tangent. I guess going from 2 x 1.25GHz to 4 x 2.8GHz gave me the 10X improvement, but for the wrong reason? I'm ok with that. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
On Mar 22, 2:52 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I remember it taking about four days to rip a DVD (REALLY high quality rip) using HandBrake on a Dual 1GHZ MDD. I then ripped the same DVD on a 2.8GHZ P4 Hackintosh in one day. Jonas, when you say rip do you mean encode? My G4s rip (copy the DVD) in under 30 minutes. Ripping isn't their issue. It's encoding to burn, or to view on iPad/TiVo. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
On Mar 22, 7:42 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 12:24 PM -0700 3/22/2011, JoeTaxpayer wrote: On Mar 22, 2:52 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I remember it taking about four days to rip a DVD (REALLY high quality rip) using HandBrake on a Dual 1GHZ MDD. I then ripped the same DVD on a 2.8GHZ P4 Hackintosh in one day. Jonas, when you say rip do you mean encode? My G4s rip (copy the DVD) in under 30 minutes. Ripping isn't their issue. It's encoding to burn, or to view on iPad/TiVo. Um, no, not encoding. Transcoding. Got it - I imagine Jonas' issue was the transcoding, then. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Disabling Top Sites
On Mar 16, 7:11 pm, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: We are not all as smart as a few of you, so what the heck is a TOP SITE? I reread all the posts and still do not understand. It's not even that. I use firefox, really prefer it. I was aware of the iTune-like window thing, but never knew it was called TopSite. Now we all know. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Converting wmv to mpeg or other mac compatible file
I don't mean to derail, but what are the ethics of pirating software no longer sold? It's a great product, can code ripped DVDs to TiVo, can convert from/ to nearly any format. In a perfect world, he'd have published an un-serialed version or at least sold the rights to someone willing to take my $25. I use Visual Hub it works easy and with any format you drop on the window. Make MP4's, AVI, DVD, and iTunes files out of any WMV. :-) I just visited a link to the Visual Hub download page and the developer has closed its virtual doors. Dale -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: how to record voice and screen activity on the cheap?
There are few products so good I sound like I'm ranting about them. This is one such product. My sister, 250 miles away and a computer newbie needed lots of help. From my MDD G4 I can see her old HP laptop and both look over her shoulder and drive her PC. It's free for individuals, just download and use. The paid choice is for corporations and costs quite a bit. If they sold the individual product, I'd pay for it, it's that good. On Mar 1, 12:06 pm, t...@savingus.org t...@savingus.org wrote: I would advise this is way too much work and too much bandwidth for an email. Get TeamViewer for you and Grandma (and anyone else you are doing this for). It's free, and from what you said, way more appropriate. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Worth the added cost?
On Feb 23, 10:08 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I'm considering upgrading my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz, with a SATA PCI card (Probably Sonnet, since I cannot find Firmtek's). I put a SATA card in my MDD G4 recently. Card was $50 and the 2TB drives are now about $75 each. PATA was really limited and expensive. I remarked in another thread about not understanding a particular upgrade. Well, even though I own a Mac Pro, the $200 for this upgrade to the MDD was worth it for me. I use it as a server more than anything, and the best thing is that I am now getting drives that if the MDD dies, can be moved into the Pro. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you trust this ebay seller?
I'd not compare the mini to a MDD G4. The G4 has 6 bays, room for four PCI cards, etc. I'd need to see the mini benchmarks, but it didn't grab me when it first came out. For some people, it's not about bang for the buck. A true hobbyist can derive great satisfaction from resurrecting, restoring, or upgrading old hardware. This applies to computers, electric trains, automobiles, etc… Sometimes it's the journey that matters, not the destination. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you trust this ebay seller?
$266 for dual 1.8GHz G4? I paid less than that for my Dual 1.42GHz 2GB mem. Is a 25% speed bump worth that cost? (Don't get me wrong, I still love the MDD G4s in my house, running 3 of them, even though I have a Mac Pro. Just want to know where the value is here. An otherwise 4 hr video encode drops to a bit over 3? Not too exciting.) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clouds for Mac's
Exactly. If John has 10TB internal, the next step is either a series of external drives or to use another Mac as a server. My main Mac is a pro, but I have a number off MDD G4s, one of whom has no monitor, I view it over network, and use it to host more drive space. 2 SATA cards and it's good for 8/12TB. Limited only by local network speed. On Feb 4, 3:51 pm, Chance Reecher cha...@reecher.net wrote: If your external drives never seem big enough, then the Cloud is definitely not for you. Most services provide less than 100GB - and that's for a hefty monthly fee. Most of the free options are in the single digits GB-wise. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Pro Memory
This is what I've read as well. So when I got it, I upgraded to 12GB, (3 x 4G sticks) and left the one slot empty. On Feb 3, 4:50 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: Since the Mac Pro Mac Intel lists seem to be all but dead I'll ask this here. Apparently the current Mac Pro use 3 channel memory, which if I understand correctly means that you'll get better performance on a SP with 3 identical sticks of RAM than you would with 4, and with 6 instead of 8 on a DP. Is this correct? Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 8 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1 GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS X and MacOS 9 on the MDD
My MDD is the 1.25GHz bought in '03 Q1. All I recall, is that it was important to me (at the time) that it was billed as the last model that would boot into OS9 (as opposed to running in classic 'mode'). On Jan 31, 7:29 am, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: There is NO MYSTERY here. The MDD shipped with OS X v10.2.8 system specific install disk set. Plus a MacOS 9.x Restore Disk set that installs MacOS 9.x, after OS X, with a specialized MDD System ROM for MacOS 9.x. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hard drive failing!
Fair enough. I have 5 MDD G4s, along with (too many) TiVos. In 25 Mac years, I've only had one drive fail me, a Seagate in a TiVo. Never had a failed Maxtor or WD. (I know Seagate bought Maxtor) So for me, I have no significant failure experience on any drives. The one SG was under warranty, and they swapped it out based on date code, no hassle over no receipt, and gave me a UPS label. So that fail gave me good vibes on their cust service. On Jan 30, 3:16 am, Jason Brown jason_brown1...@att.net wrote: It is a WD though. Couldn't pay me to use one. YMMV but MM has been very very bad with them. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Odd QuickSilver Dual boot behavior
I have a disc labeled 9.2.1. I got the MDD and Apple sent this for $10 shortly after as part of some upgrade program. I don't believe there's such as thing as a 9.2.2 universal install CD. The final retail OS 9 disc was the OS 9.1 disc that's white with the orange/yellow 9 on it. This disc installs OS 9.1 and is the only universal disc I'm aware of. It requires both a 9.2.1 and a 9.2.2 update to reach the final OS 9.2.2 installation. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hard drive failing!
Ben's bargains has a 2TB WD from New Egg for $70 after rebate. 2TB! On Jan 29, 10:54 pm, Sean Carroll cedarwaxw...@att.net wrote: Current (failing) is a Seagate ST3250824AS 250GB Hard Drive. Seagate Barracuda, 3.5, 7200rpm, 8 MB cache, SATA. Seeking recommendations for replacement. Operator Headgap has a factory recertified Seagate Barracuda, 3.5, 7200 RPM, 32 MB cache, SATA, 750 GB going for $59 and change. http://stn2.headgap.com/resale/FMPro?-token=13626219- db=ProductsC.fp3-lay=WEB-format=items.htm-sortfield=SortID- Max=40category=intdrivessata-find Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini HDD speed
Kris, why so hostile? Since FW400 is limited to 400Mbs, and a 5400RPM drive will run 3Gbs, how will a 7200RMP offer more performance when the bottleneck is in the FW400 itself? In any system, one needs to look at where the bottleneck is, and iJohn's guess passed the common sense test with me. An SSD addressed through FW400 will perform no better. Definitely faster? You sure? On Jan 24, 2:51 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jan 23, 2011, at 9:51 AM, iJohn wrote: That's a hard one to guess at. But my guess would be no, I don't think you'd see a gain. Or if there was one, it would not be as large as you hoped. What? Why are you guessing? These are measurable facts. Guessing about things isn't acceptable. Either you know some factual information or factual reasoning about a topic, or you don't. In this case, YOU DON'T, so you shouldn't have posted. I suppose it's possible that a 7200 RPM drive would still appear to perform faster than an internal 4200 RPM, but I wouldn't count on it. A 7,200 RPM HD is DEFINITELY faster in a FW400 enclosure than either a 5,400 RPM or 4,200 RPM. Have you ever even booted from Firewire on a daily basis? Have you made measurements? Have you streamed video off a Firewire enclosure? Obviously your experience is limited. More to the point, I feel fairly confident that you would not really be able to tell the difference between a (recent) SATA 5400 versus 7200 when connected via Firewire 400. BASED UPON WHAT FACTS? In my experience MEASURING the difference in speed, the difference is LARGE and EASY to tell the difference between. In other words, if you're going to go with a Firewire 400 external drive I'd suggest going with a 5400 drive and save a few bucks. With the recent improvements in platter bit densities over the last year or two, the throughput of 5400 drives has increased noticeably. The difference between 5400 and 7200 is not as noticeable especially when you put that 400 Mbps cap on the drive throughput. It's the HD ITSELF that's the limiting factor here, NOT the Firewire connection. Any gain you make to the HD will transfer directly, arithmetically to the Mini's HD performance. === On Jan 23, 2011, at 10:22 AM, John Carmonne wrote: OK then let me ask is the internal drive Bus 167 speed going to be faster than the same drive connected to the FireWire 400? A 2.5 HD connected to the internal ATA bus is going to be slightly faster than any HD connected via Firewire 400, but if the internal 2.5 HD is the standard OEM 5,400 RPM and the external FW400 is a 3.5 7,200 RPM the difference will be minimalized substantially. The fastest you can achieve will be a SSD connected to the internal ATA; followed by a 7,200RPM 2.5 or 5,400RPM 2.5 connected to the internal ATA; followed by a 7,200RPM 3.5 connected via Firewire 400, and then any slower HDs connected via FW400. And does that relate to overall performance of my G4 PPC Mac Mini 1.25? The best thing you can do to your 1.25GHz Mini for performance is to overclock it to 1.42GHz. It's a simple overclock IF you can see well, the resistors are TINY. I never soldered mine, they were too small for my soldering ability. Instead, to remove one I cut the solder with an exacto knife (any tiny sharp knife or razor blade might work?), and to add one I used conductive circuit paint using a toothpick. It's a free 15% speed gain with no downside unless you screw-up and botch the job. As Newertech and several other companies noticed, there isn't much downside to booting a PPC Mini from a 3.5 7,200RPM HD instead of the 2.5 5,400 RPM OEM drive, and the proliferation of MiniStack enclosures is a testament to that concept. I've been using my Mini as a media-center computer and I'm trying to squeeze every last bit of performance from it, so I boot from a small internal 2.5 7,200 RPM drive and use a 1 TB Apple Time Capsule for media storage, but this isn't much better than booting from a MiniStack or any good Firewire enclosure with a modern 3.5 HD. Note, there is NO difference in speed between a 3.5 ATA133/150 HD and a 3.5 SATA HD inside a FW400 enclosure. If an SATA HD enclosure are cheaper, that's the best deal, but if you have an older ATA 7,200 RPM HD enclosure it should be identical in performance. There are some Firewire 400 enclosures with poor performance chipsets, but these are rare in more modern enclosures. Definitely avoid anything by GeneSys Logic which will NOT work. Oxford is best, and anything by a HD manufacturer is good. The 1.25 Mini is going to be a little bit too slow to play modern HD video smoothly, the bottleneck isn't the HD, it's the Radeon 9200 video which unfortunately can't be upgraded at all, and severely limits these older PPC Minis. I suspect slower G4 PowerMacs with
Re: Mac Mini HDD speed
If putting it into the mini, it needed to be PATA, but why bother buying a drive that's probably twice the price in an old format to put into a FW enclosure? On Jan 24, 4:51 pm, Albert Carter slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok now I'm lost. I thought Kris was referring to IDE not SATA. SATA II and SATA III in a Firewire enclosure will of course run slower than plugged directly into a SATA II or SATA III Controller. From: JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini HDD speed Kris, why so hostile? Since FW400 is limited to 400Mbs, and a 5400RPM drive will run 3Gbs, how will a 7200RMP offer more performance when the bottleneck is in the FW400 itself? In any system, one needs to look at where the bottleneck is, and iJohn's guess passed the common sense test with me. An SSD addressed through FW400 will perform no better. Definitely faster? You sure? On Jan 24, 2:51 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jan 23, 2011, at 9:51 AM, iJohn wrote: That's a hard one to guess at. But my guess would be no, I don't think you'd see a gain. Or if there was one, it would not be as large as you hoped. What? Why are you guessing? These are measurable facts. Guessing about things isn't acceptable. Either you know some factual information or factual reasoning about a topic, or you don't. In this case, YOU DON'T, so you shouldn't have posted. I suppose it's possible that a 7200 RPM drive would still appear to perform faster than an internal 4200 RPM, but I wouldn't count on it. A 7,200 RPM HD is DEFINITELY faster in a FW400 enclosure than either a 5,400 RPM or 4,200 RPM. Have you ever even booted from Firewire on a daily basis? Have you made measurements? Have you streamed video off a Firewire enclosure? Obviously your experience is limited. More to the point, I feel fairly confident that you would not really be able to tell the difference between a (recent) SATA 5400 versus 7200 when connected via Firewire 400. BASED UPON WHAT FACTS? In my experience MEASURING the difference in speed, the difference is LARGE and EASY to tell the difference between. In other words, if you're going to go with a Firewire 400 external drive I'd suggest going with a 5400 drive and save a few bucks. With the recent improvements in platter bit densities over the last year or two, the throughput of 5400 drives has increased noticeably. The difference between 5400 and 7200 is not as noticeable especially when you put that 400 Mbps cap on the drive throughput. It's the HD ITSELF that's the limiting factor here, NOT the Firewire connection. Any gain you make to the HD will transfer directly, arithmetically to the Mini's HD performance. === On Jan 23, 2011, at 10:22 AM, John Carmonne wrote: OK then let me ask is the internal drive Bus 167 speed going to be faster than the same drive connected to the FireWire 400? A 2.5 HD connected to the internal ATA bus is going to be slightly faster than any HD connected via Firewire 400, but if the internal 2.5 HD is the standard OEM 5,400 RPM and the external FW400 is a 3.5 7,200 RPM the difference will be minimalized substantially. The fastest you can achieve will be a SSD connected to the internal ATA; followed by a 7,200RPM 2.5 or 5,400RPM 2.5 connected to the internal ATA; followed by a 7,200RPM 3.5 connected via Firewire 400, and then any slower HDs connected via FW400. And does that relate to overall performance of my G4 PPC Mac Mini 1.25? The best thing you can do to your 1.25GHz Mini for performance is to overclock it to 1.42GHz. It's a simple overclock IF you can see well, the resistors are TINY. I never soldered mine, they were too small for my soldering ability. Instead, to remove one I cut the solder with an exacto knife (any tiny sharp knife or razor blade might work?), and to add one I used conductive circuit paint using a toothpick. It's a free 15% speed gain with no downside unless you screw-up and botch the job. As Newertech and several other companies noticed, there isn't much downside to booting a PPC Mini from a 3.5 7,200RPM HD instead of the 2.5 5,400 RPM OEM drive, and the proliferation of MiniStack enclosures is a testament to that concept. I've been using my Mini as a media-center computer and I'm trying to squeeze every last bit of performance from it, so I boot from a small internal 2.5 7,200 RPM drive and use a 1 TB Apple Time Capsule for media storage, but this isn't much better than booting from a MiniStack or any good Firewire enclosure with a modern 3.5 HD. Note, there is NO difference in speed between a 3.5 ATA133/150 HD and a 3.5 SATA HD inside a FW400 enclosure. If an SATA HD enclosure
Re: Mac Mini HDD speed
To be clear, you're talking PATA in the external FW enclosure, correct? In which case the numbers support your position. I don't know that it makes sense to go buy a PATA drive to load into an enclosure, one can buy a 1TB external for less than the 320GB PATA going into the FW box. An odd choice. On Jan 24, 5:53 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jan 24, 2011, at 3:46 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: why so hostile? Tired of dealing with guessing. Definitely faster? You sure? Yes, I'm sure. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini HDD speed
For 2.5 why no use a SSD? On Jan 22, 1:21 pm, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: The 7200 RPM drives have faster seek times. There may also be a higher Bus speed and a larger buffer, making data access, transfer and use by software more rapid. So far as price, cyberguys.com has Western Digital IDE/ATA drives in 3.5 diameter. These have the 7200 RPM speed you're looking for and come in 160GB ($53), 250GB ($65) and 500GB ($85) capacities. Hope that helps! There are not a lot of options in the 2.5 IDE form factor, which is what the early Minis require. As there are so few offerings still available in 2.5 IDE drives, you get what you can find. OWC probably has the widest offerings. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is LogMeIn the answer?
http://www.teamviewer.com/download/index.aspx Commercial users are welcome to use these downloads for trial purposes. TeamViewer is free for all non-commercial users! I have been on this group a few months and saw this thread. By coincidence, I need to hook up with my sister whom I sent a PC (old work one, good riddance). But now she needs help. Never heard of TeamViewer until now, and it wasn't obvious that it was free till I saw this page. I just loaded to iPad, but not used it yet, need to walk her through how to load on her end. When I told her to right-click to download a PDF I sent her, nothing happened. My bad, she wrote click in the URL bar of browser. I am doomed. I'll add a note when I'm running with TeamViewer, it looks very promising. I checked on TeamViewer, out of curiosity, and couldn't find a free option at all. I have not tried either software, so I cannot say how well they work, but I have been meaning to give LogMeIn a try for years. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is LogMeIn the answer?
You know, the internal VNC function has a different password (assigned through a different pref) than the desktop password? It's accessed thru Sharingremote management computer setting I am on Leopard, so may be slightly different for you. On Jan 21, 2:42 pm, Ashgrove salum...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 21, 6:34 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried to remote access my Tiger iMac from my SL MP and I'm getting the same problem with my name password not being accepted. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: best site to check values
glen is right on. eBay. Specifically choose the option to show competed auctions. No offense, this is a G3 right? It's getting long in the tooth, and at the point where it's not worth the shipping cost. About a year ago, I found someone commenting that she turned G3s into audio jukeboxes for friends, and I sent it. I paid shipping and did this only because I loved that machine and wanted to find her a good home. But for functionality, the MDD G4s are at the peak of MIPs/$$. A dual 1.25GHz for $150 running Leopard. I'll take those over new PCs any day. But I digress. On Jan 21, 5:32 pm, cdphoto ch...@cdphoto.com wrote: Hello, I'm new to the group. I'd love to get a link to the best site to check the value of a couple of older Macs that I own, specifically a Power PC 266MHz beige desktop. This unit is in working condition. And I still have the original CD plus cables. Any links, or interest in this machine is much appreciated. Thanks, Chris ch...@cdphoto.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How Do MS Office Licenses Work?
I have a legit copy of Office on my MDD. When I put it on a second machine (another MDD) it installed just fine, but I'm permitted to only run it on one machine at a time. I'm not complaining, just answering your question. If I upgrade, I'll get the family pack like I did with Leopard and iWork. On Dec 13, 2:20 pm, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: I am thinking about purchasing a used copy of MS Office 2004 for my MDD, however, I'm wondering how the licenses work. I've heard that on some MS products, (Windows?) the machine actually must connect to the internet and register the license with MS and then the license is stuck to that particular hardware (by MAC address?) and one cannot use any other machines with that license. So two questions. Are they using a similar scheme with Office 2004 for the Mac? Wouldn't that make a used copy of office pretty useless, if true? Of course, I may have misunderstood the whole thing. Kind of hoping I have. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Zip 250 on G4 MDD
I did just this, only no hardware to mount it neatly. I plugged it in to pull data off some zip discs. Duct tape held it in place. Worked fine. On Dec 7, 5:57 pm, frrob fr...@earthlink.net wrote: I recently acquired a DP 1.25 gHz G4 MDD. It is running OS 10.5.8. It has 2 optical drives, a DVD burner and a DVD-CDRW drive. I am thinking of replacing the DVD-CDRW with a ZIP 250 drive. I have 2 questions: 1. Will this work in Leopard? 2. I have read that this machine was offered with a ZIP option. Are there any sort of rails/adapters for installing this in the second optical drive slot? Also, is there any sort of bezel for such an installation? Thanks, Fr. Rob Johansen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ram speed
John asked about running the 133 slower, not the 100 faster. The quote I referenced said that should work fine. On Dec 9, 1:21 am, Chuck deadke...@gmail.com wrote: these DIMMs are running at 100MHz (underclocked) so they perform the same. if you could make them run at 133 the CPU would also be OC'd by 33.33% and therefore probably freeze up. that speed generally is beyond what the CPU can do. and the fans can't take it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Networkable USB print servers
Thanks. It does fit a niche, I see. For me, I'm used to an always-on G4. But at least I understand the function of the device, now. On Dec 2, 8:28 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:52 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: I have an HP OfficeJet. It's pluged into my G4 MDD. I turned on print sharing and all the computers in the house can see it. So I'll ask - what does a print server do different or more than my set up? A print server doesn't require the host computer to be on all the time. It also let's you pit the printer wherever an Ethernet cable (max length around 100 meters, IIRC) will reach. -- Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Networkable USB print servers
I have an HP OfficeJet. It's pluged into my G4 MDD. I turned on print sharing and all the computers in the house can see it. So I'll ask - what does a print server do different or more than my set up? On Dec 1, 7:13 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Anyone have a recommend!/recommend not! for a usb-ethernet print server? I'll be specifically using a HP Deskjet F4480 printer with it. (this is the printer Apple was giving away with system purchases this summer) I've got one I can use if I want, but I really need it to be networked. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: install osx 10.5
Just make sure it's really 2.0. I commented maybe a month back and was given good advice how to be sure. These cards that work are still only $10 or so. A thought - If you buy 10.5 full price, ($75?) there may be some Dual 1.25GHz MDDs (is your's dual?) with 2GB memory and the card for $150 or so. When you break down the value in those machines, it's pretty crazy. The memory alone would cost $100 to buy. On Nov 30, 8:51 am, Peter Martin petermartin...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you.And can you tell me the better way to put usb 2.0 in the same machine? 2010/11/30 Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com On 2010/11/29 06:41, Peter Martin so eloquently wrote: can i install osx 10.5 in my 933mhz ppc g4? Yes, the official minimum is 867 MHz. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Old Mac never die.
10.5.8 ? My old faithfuls are the MDD (Mirrored Door) Running at either 1.25 or 1.42. There are few thing that won't run on them. My urge to get the Mac Pro was strictly for the few times the 10X performance bump would be noticed, video encoding. Funny, the Pro can't run my favorite ripper, so the MDD stays plugged in for now. What can't you run? On Nov 27, 10:25 am, Norm Rowe nrow...@fairpoint.net wrote: I have a G4 gigabyte Mac which was built in 2000 according to Tech Tools and is now at 10.5.8 with many fire wire and USB additions with a 1000gig processor and 2 megs of ram. It stays on 24/7 and the only real problem was a power board failure last year. It is still running. I'm really getting TO because there are getting to be very few thing that will work on it. Now I understand that Lion will not work even on some older Intel Macs. I'm on a fixed income so a new mac is out of the question for now. Norm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
