Re: Dead Seagate
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Cliff Rediger redicl...@thecriticalcrab.net wrote: Seagate 9SL154-302 ST31000528AS Barracuda 7200.12 - 1 TB SATA II . . . One morning... NOTHING. Suddenly, drive is not recognized at all. Until you can do something which PROVES that the drive is dead, do not assume that it is. It is best to approach these things as methodically as our fallible humanity allows. Does the drive spin up? If so, is it clicking? If the drive comes up without smoke and is not making weird sounds, then try the USB 2.0 connection. I've had enclosures on which the firewire failed but the USB port still worked. If the only computer you have is only USB 1.1, try it anyway. You are not going to use this connection to move large amounts of data, just to see if you can access the drive via the USB port. If both Firewire USB fail to work, pull the drive from the enclosure. If possible test it by connecting it to the SATA port of (another) computer, otherwise try a different enclosure as suggested. As for I sort of presumed one might see some sort of weirdness or gradual malfunction, yes, that is what the SMART data is for. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to access a drives SMART values using the Newer Tech Mini Stack. I believe it has to either be directly connected to a computer via SATA or you need to use an enclosure with a more recent USB chipset. -irrational john -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dead Seagate
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 08/09/13 04.45, Cliff Rediger ha scritto: Sometimes, though, a drive can be dead with no previous sign. As an admittedly quite large digression, I would that this is probably the typical failure case for the current generations of SSDs. I had an Intel 330 that worked fine for 6 months or so. One day, it was just dead. Completely dead. Thank deity, Intel replaced it under warranty. I had a backup, but unfortunately it was a month or so old. No unrecoverable losses since I tend to keep my data on drives separate from the drive the OS is on. But a sudden death experience like that tends to bring one back into the flock of the church of regular, scheduled backups. Good luck with your Seagate. If it were me, the first thing I would try to check is whether the drive appears to power on and spin up its platters. If it does, then listen for weird noises as Valter suggested. Hopefully it may just be your enclosure. -irrational john -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Mapping Out Bad Sectors
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: If you zero out a hard drive with Disk Utility to map out the bad blocks, are they notated in a permanent fashion or will a simple reformat lose the bad block map. As Peter said, current drives remap bad sectors automagically in their firmware. My understanding is it works this way. If the drive attempts to read a sector and the read fails, the sector is marked as pending. It is not remapped under the rational that the read may succeed in the future. So if you see a non-zero value for pending sectors in the drive's SMART data, this is what has happened. If you write to a sector and the write fails THEN the sector is remapped (if possible). This is tallied in the Reallocated Sectors Count, I think. The drives firmware keeps track of the remapping and reads/writes to that sector redirected from that point on to the remapped sector. The gist is that if you have bad sectors and you want to force the drive to remap them you have to write to those sectors. One way to do this is to perform an erase of the drive i.e. write zeros (or whatever) to every sector on the drive. A format in and of itself may do nothing. It all depends on what sectors on the drive the format writes to. FWIW, I'm not sure what the phrase low level format means with any drive sold this century. For quite some time the format of a hard drive is fixed once it leaves the factory and this can't be tinkered with other than remapping bad sectors via the firmware. And, yes, if you have a large number of either pending or reallocated sectors on a drive, it is a cause for concern about the health of the drive. Especially if the number keeps going up. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I cloned OSX 10.4 from a G4 to a G5, and G5 doesn't boot
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: I made the clone thru Ethernet file sharing, since I couldn't use Firewire target mode. Why couldn't you use Firewire target mode? I'm not saying this would fix things since I don't know that. It just seems like a potentially big thing to leave unexplained in your post. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 10.5
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Personally I'd go right on by 10.5 and look for 10.6, at least; if that's a Core Duo system that's the top limit you can get to; and there's not much that wasn't compatible with 10.5 on those that doesn't run in 10.6, and 10.6 is a noticeable performance upgrade over 10.5. I believe Bruce failed to mention the price difference. Snow Leopard (10.6) can still be purchased from online retailers for $30 (or less in some cases). Leopard (10.5) will typically run you around $90 or more on eBay. (At least that's the price range I'm used to seeing Leopard auctions finish at). There's also the fact that I believe Apple will still do (only) security updates to Snow Leopard until they release whatever 10.8 turns out to be. This ain't much, but it's something. Unless you have some special consideration such as PPC hardware which limits you to using Leopard, I would also suggest moving up to Snow Leopard. www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/27/apples_snow_leopard_disc_will_install_on_tiger_macs.html Just as a sanity check, you DID say you have an Intel version of the iMac, correct? Out of curiosity, which one? (Snow Leopard runs ONLY on Intel Macs). -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange bracket for MDD?
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to post a picture of this bracket but I can't do that obviously want to see it and give a comment? email me and I'll send you the picture. An alternate approach is to post the picture to some picture collections site on the web such as Picasa, Flickr, or whatever. Then make it public (or at least public enough), and post a link to the picture in a message to the group. FWIW, -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
How do you view the system log on an external drive?
Last night I booted my friends 800 MHz eMac in target disk mode, connected it to my MacBook, and used Carbon Copy Cloner to backup her hard drive to an external drive. This went OK albeit EXTREMELY slowly. (Time elapsed: 01:52:45. Data copied: 8.43 GB i.e. ~1.25 MB/s (~1.19 MiB/s) ???) When I then attached the external drive to the eMac and attempted to boot from the clone of her eMac hard drive, the boot seemed to proceed well enough. But ultimately it hung with the message Login Window Starting displayed underneath a not quite there yet progress bar. I'd like to look at the system log, but I don't know how to navigate to it and display it. All the tips on viewing the OS X log files that Google turns up for me seems to assume that the log files are on the partition you booted OS X from. In this the log files I need to open are on a partition on an external drive, not on my MacBook. I believe the files are in /private/var/log but Finder does not display those folders. Any suggestions? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PSU specs for Apple Airport Snow White Dual Ethernet M8440?
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 7:58 AM, faithie999 faithie...@hotmail.com wrote: zoom makes a usb modem that is about the size of a pack of gum. i have used one with my macbook pro. here's the description from amazon--zoom 3095 usb modem http://www.amazon.com/Zoom-3095-Mini-External-Modem/dp/B001FCIOSW Thanks. There is also a similar one available from US Robotics, model USR5637, for around the same retail cost. Either of these is also a possibility, but I'm trying to not spend too much if I don't have to as my friend's funds are limited. But it's always good to hear about other peoples experiences with these modems on a Mac. The one big question I always have is, if I buy one of these, how well will it work? on ebay, one of these might be cost-competitive with buying the airport plus a power supply. Ah, eBay. Most of what I see available out there now are Buy It Now listings, not auctions. I haven't seen a listing yet for the 3095 only for the USR5637. These have been listed at either the same price as, say, amazon or more likely at a higher total cost. How they get folks to buy something from them for more money than it costs to get it from amazon I have never figured out. And then there is always this classic: Buy It Now price: $5 Shipping $60. That one seems to never grow old. But I digress. Thanks again for the feedback on the Zoom 3095. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PSU specs for Apple Airport Snow White Dual Ethernet M8440?
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Also, mine worked quite well for dial-up access back in the day... Thanks, Bruce. Guess I'll go back to the eBay jungle and poke around some more. -john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard on an 800MHz eMac (ATI)? (... and stuff)
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Tiger would be faster though... So how much does a set of retail Tiger install media cost these days? Where would one look for it? The ones on eBay seem to cost more than I'd prefer to pay. I am looking for a price closer to just shipping. I'm not eager to encourage her to put more $$$ into this machine since all the software is slowly but surely walking away from it. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: YouTube recently discontinued the fmt tags. What does discontinued mean? I tried Googling about for some announcement or other info on just Google did, but didn't come up with anything. Does Google just ignore this fmt tag now? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The -122 Error
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Bruce bsugarb...@core.com wrote: Sometimes the problem went away after things were changed. Sometimes the problem did not go away after things were changed. Sometimes the problem went away for a while after things were changed, then reoccurred again. Conclusion: cause = -122 is a general, non-specific, error message. Comments anyone? I believe that humans are wired to try to find correlations. It's not just the way our minds may be predisposed to work, I think it is also how we feel about the way the world should work. When we have an effect we look for a cause not only intellectually, but emotionally as well. We have a longing, a desire for an explanation. So if we change something and the effect which was vexing us appears to have gone away then I think most of us are quite eager to view that change as causal, regardless of whether it was or was not. I offer this as a possible rationalization for what you saw when you dug deeper into this. In my experience, this tendency can make trying to find a solution very frustrating. Folks seem to always be ready to claim that just giving their problem a good whack with whatever hammer they happen to have had at hand is what sorted things. (It sure would be nice if Google could come up with a search filter to weed out those posts. ;-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Erik Harperink hbharper...@quicknet.nl wrote: A new keyboard ($ 30) may be an easier fix in these circumstances. Not sure if these are a match for what the OP needs, but amazon marketplace has some sellers offering used keyboards for $15-$20 (And for more of course. You can always pay more if you want. ;-) http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Translucent-97-Key-Keyboard-PowerMac/dp/B000EQFQI6 FWIW (which may well be nothing), -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: Yes, John, the drive was a fairly new one and OWC may well replace it if I can find the receipt and warranty among my mounds of paperwork. Your receipt should be available online as part of your ordering information for your account with OWC. I expect you don't need any paper, just to talk with someone at OWC. They should be able to find everything they need to know about your purchase in their online records. I suggest calling now to beat the Christmas rush. But I've got an account with them and it's a lot more convenient for me to buy a drive online with a few mouse clicks than it is to get in my car and go off to town to buy one at a computer store, which can waste a good part of a day. When I'm ordering an OEM drive and I want to get what I consider a reasonable price on it I tend to wait for something that looks reasonable to me to go on sale at newegg.com. I think the last time I bought a drive from a retail store was in 2003. Maybe 2002. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: So, I guess the drive and all my data on it are toast. I forget how this all began but I believe you said the bad drive was from a 1 TB Mercury Elite Pro external hard drive you bought from OWC about 1 1/2 years ago, correct? Since I've seen so many oos and ahhhs here about OWC supporting their products I suggest you at least talk to their support folk and see what, if anything, they will do for you about replacing the bad drive under (hopefully) warranty. If the drive is truly as dead as you describe then you probably can't get your data back, but you should at least get a replacement for it. The typical hard drive warranty I expect to get is 3 years. I assume that since you keep on buying more stuff from them you also must have a lot of faith in OWC, no? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive?
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 8:04 AM, AndersFager i...@gottick.com wrote: Installed a brand new 500 gig hd in a G5 iMac. The old one had issues. Without having any idea whether or not any of them might apply here are some things that come to mind: 1) The old drive didn't really have issues. Rather the problem is someplace else such as a bad SATA cable or a poorly seated connector. Or maybe even something is wrong on the G5's mainboard. Have you tried any type of diagnostic program? 2) Even if the old drive was bad you still might not have seated the connectors properly when attaching the replacement? 3) You might have been the victim of bad luck and gotten a new drive that is DOA. It happens. The way I would attempt to narrow down the possibilities is to try both the old and new drives in another platform. Either another computer or an external enclosure which supports SATA. Is that something you could do? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Flash only? WAS:Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:16 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: I never say never, but I've been watching this industry for nearly 30 years, and suspect that until and unless SSD cost drops to a lower X of HD, both will be there side by side depending on the platform it goes in. If you're going to discuss SSDs versus HDs then I suggest you also consider the relatively recent availability of hybrid SSD-HDs. At the moment the only one I know of is Seagate's Momentus XT which I understand to be a 7200 RPM 2.5 drive with the traditional 32MB RAM cache but also a 4GB SSD. The pertinent difference here is probably not so much the 4GB of SSD but whatever dynamic caching algorithms Seagate has come up with. (I'm just guessing of course). At any rate, in a lot of situations you can get closer to SSD performance in a HD for ~1.7 to 1.9x the cost of a 7200 RPM drive. I expect this price point to drop once the other manufacturer's start selling their me too hybrids. I expect the next step I'll take towards an SSD for my MacBook is likely to be in this hybrid direction rather than an actual SSD. I'm still in the waiting and watching phase at the moment. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 with no chime but instead folder with ?
On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Robert Long texasche...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello group, I got a G4 and tonight I plugged it in to see if it will work. No chime but a screen with a folder and a ? then a happy face. Not the mac face. Any ideas. I am not too hep on this stuff. If it doesn't have a fatal problem or such I would like to get it up and running. Hopefully someone who actually knows something about G4s will respond. Are you sure that (1) there is a hard drive in your system and (2) that the drive contains a bootable install of OS X? The folder with a ? I would guess might be an icon to indicate no file system ... perhaps? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:29 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I opened the Deskstar and I can see the arm moving across the platters endlessly, That's the clicking noise. Why is it doing this. I would assume it is trying to locate the beginning track but is unable to do so because of the damage caused when you opened the drive up. I can't understand why you would assume that the drive would operate just as well after opening the case? We're talking about operating tolerances that make a dust particle look like the size of your house relative to a mouse. (OK, that's a guess ... but I doubt I'm that far off ...) As to what may have caused the noise before you intervened, who knows? Did you look at the SMART data? Perhaps it had a bad sector it was trying to remap? I've got a Seagate 400GB which clicks that I've tried to test to death so I could get it replaced before the warranty expires. Instead it just keeps passing the diagnostic tests. What'cha gonna' do? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: Will Apple ever support eSATA? I tend to doubt it. My total wild-ass speculating guess is that this might be a Steve Jobs sort of thing. eSATA does not supply power to the external device and perhaps the Steve has deemed this to be as inappropriate as a two button mouse? Maybe they'll add support for eSATA with power (e-SATAP ?) at some future date? On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: What's the deal on USB 3.0? I don't know what the deal is with USB 3.0. I would have expected it to be integrated into the motherboard chipsets by now. But it was pointed out to me in another thread that Intel is currently talking as though there is no need to incorporate USB 3.0 until sometime towards the end of 2011 or perhaps even 2012? PC motherboards currently support USB 3.0 by incorporating a non-Intel chip. The only response Intel appears to have to that is to announce plans to sell their own discrete USB 3.0 support chip. I think Intel has its corporate bureaucratic head up its butt. Apparently the planners expect they can do the transition to USB 3.0 the same way that the move to USB 2.0 was done i.e. pretty much on their terms. However, no one seems to have checked with the Chinese manufacturers. They don't seem to care one bit about Intel's plans and are tossing USB 3.0 devices at the market with what appears to be an increasing pace. The market may well move fast enough on its own to leave Intel behind (at least for a bit). What truly surprises me is that AMD has not tried to exploit this by integrating USB 3.0 into one of their chipsets. Oh, well. My Macish point here is that I don't see Apple adding USB 3.0 support until Intel integrates it. Maybe they'll go the separate chip support route if the market builds enough. And/or if there are enough competing USB 3.0 chips out there for Apple to pit one against the other and get them at close to cost. USB 3.0 on a Mac would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely a hardware issue. Looks like it's cycling - it can't get a grip on the device. Just wild speculation ... my first thought in a situation like this is that the device is not getting enough power/current. But usually I've only had that problem with external USB powered 2.5 hard drives. I would not expect power to be a concern here, but who knows. Unplugging every other device you can is a good place to start. Trying to use the device via a powered USB hub might be another. FWIW, -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PPC Intel HDD partition map
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Apple fixed that. Either partition type works. GUID is simply preferred for x86 Macs. I guess the only question I would have is how preferred is it? Using APM on an external drive I would not worry about because that seems most in line with the spirit of it just works. But unless Apple has stated otherwise, booting from an APM drive strikes me as an enjoy it as long as it works sort of thing. I would also suggest that one not try to use APM on the primary boot drive of an Intel Mac. Beyond just booting, I would worry about whether updates, especially firmware updates, would install correctly to a non-GUID drive. Sure there may appear to be no technical reason why APM would not work just as well as GPM in all contexts. But my experience is that Apple decides what should and should not work. And I have no ability to predict what Apple will decide is the proper way for their tech to function under the covers. What might make sense to me seems to have little relevance. So unless Apple has explicitly stated that APM and GPM are interchangeable on an Intel Mac, I would suggest caution in how you use APM. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Reset AirPort Extreme Base station
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, are you trying to create a wireless distribution system (connecting one router wirelessly to another)? From what I hear, that only works if you use multiple Apple routers—you can't mix Apple and non-Apple routers in a WDS. I believe you wouldn't want to use WDS in any case. My understanding is it can eat up to 1/2 your bandwidth in overhead. It sounds as though what you really want to do is use the router to bridge from the wired ethernet to the wireless LAN. In this mode it would be functioning not as an access point but as one of the clients (?) connecting to the Netgear WAP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_LAN#Bridge Don't know if/how you would set this up. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT; Apple in negotiation with AMD ?
I assume that Apple's preference is to be the one telling its suppliers what to do, not the other way around. I suspect that's what this is probably about. Maybe they'll migrate to AMD, maybe not. At the very least I suspect it's something like your spouse having lunch with an old flame. Hey, it was just lunch, nothing more! But the underlying point is clear enough, no? Don't take me for granted. I've got options. There really is no competition at this point in time for Intel CPUs in terms of raw performance. But product design isn't always about picking the highest performing component. I suppose an argument could be made for Apple diversifying its product line and offering some products at a lower price point with AMD CPUs. Only time will tell ... a common observation when it comes to Apple, no? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT; Apple in negotiation with AMD ?
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: I want a step-by-step procedure so i can get it running on a Pentium 4 system. Well, the truth as I understand it that you simply can NOT run OS X on a PC/bios based Intel computer. At least not without modifying stuff. The further away one gets from a Mac platform in terms of the components of the PC the more stuff there is which needs to be modified. To run on a Pentium 4 system you're talking at least about modifications to the kernel, which IMO is a rather big step away from a so-called vanilla install. I believe that a Hackintosh will never be a Mac in that it will always be more a hobby than tool. It's better suited to folks who like to play with their computer as much or more than actually use it. I doubt a Hackintosh will ever be appropriate for any Mac user for whom one of the things they like most about a Mac is that they never have to think about it, they can just use it. If you want your PC to be an appliance, then you definitely do NOT want a Hackintosh, at least IMHO. I've always assumed this is a major reason why Apple doesn't go out of its way to eliminate Hackintoshs created by individuals. It's not pertinent (enough). The effort to squash it would be more bother than benefit to the corporate bottom line. At least for now. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Crunch ?
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Frank Dutra fdut...@gmail.com wrote: Opening up the ATA drive slots/sleds would allow me to mount the 2 SATA drives where apple designed them to be which in theory, may be in a spot with optimal cooling. In order to remove either or both of your 30 40 GB you would need to be able to boot from your SeriTek152 SATA PCI adapter. My only experience with this is in the PC/BIOS/Windows world and ... at one point at least ... not all SATA PCI adpaters came with the necessary BIOS extensions to allow you to boot from a drive attached to them. I'd be interested to learn how things work in the Mac world. Should be easy enough to try it out and see what happens I suppose. If it turns out you are unable to boot from your SATA PCI adapter, then another possibility is to try out a SATA drive to PATA connector dongle. They seem to cost around $10 at the moment. It also appears they are sold in more of a low profile size now. Below are some links to some resellers who work through Amazon.com. They are very much a China commodity product though so you could find more or less the same thing from other suppliers. I haven't tried them, but think I'm going to just to see how (well) they work for me. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001JQHJSU http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002T7W1MM http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00241IT6A FWIW. I think I'm going to take a chance with one of these to see if I can extend the life of some old PATA to USB external enclosures I have. ;-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple update
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:01 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: it's perfectly legal to copy your DVDs if you can My understanding has been that, yes, you have a right to make backups for your personal use of copyrighted material which you have purchased. This is allowed as a fair use of the copyrighted material. HOWEVER, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) forbids (?) using a program to circumvent copy protection of digital media. So you have every right to make a fair use copy of the material, it's just illegal to use the tools which would actually let you make a copy. I'm (obviously) not a lawyer so perhaps I'm just completely wrong. Oh, well. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: [Bulk] Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:44 AM, PM7500 jburke...@comcast.net wrote: Are they trying to connect using WPA encryption? I've been trying for months to get any of my Macs to connect to my Wi-Fi router using WPA and I can only connect with WEP. Sorry to hear that. Last time I glanced around, no one bothers with publishing methods for hacking into WEP any longer. Instead it has more the air of a contest. How quickly can you hack past WEP? At this point in time WEP strikes me as the security equivalent of a spring loaded door latch. Sure the door is locked. But almost anyone who wants to get past it will do so as though the door was unlocked. Because I live where I do I often go out for short trips without bothering to lock a door of my house. Basically my security protocol is counting on the statistical likelihood that no will bother. I think that's pretty much the same security used on a the vast majority of home wireless setups at the moment. :-( -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: Reformatting PC HD
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Put it in the external enclosure, plug it in to the Mac, fire up Disk Utility, select the drive and erase the disk in MS DOS format. You can repartition the thing if you really want but just erasing the drive will do just fine. Well, if it was me and I was going to wipe the drive I would definitely wipe/zero out the partition table. Just on the off chance that a boot sector might veer off into supposedly unpartitioned space and wake up something nasty. Maybe that's not a likely scenario. But then again it doesn't take much longer to destroy the partitions and rebuild them and then you're that little bit more sure you're clean. No? Maybe it's just me ... -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Who's using my network?
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: actually what I wanted to do is merely see when my niece is surfing on her laptop so that I don't pig bandwidth downloading stuff etc. Jeff Why don't you just IM (instant message) your niece before starting a big download. You could work out the details for this by talking it over with her. And as Dan already pointed out, is this really a problem or are you just making work for yourself? I've never noticed any problems with surfing while also downloading. What sort of Internet bandwidth is your ISP giving you. (Hint: google around for the Internet sites which let you test your upload/download bandwidth). -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday night I put the adapter on a Mac Mini C2D 1,83GHz (Mac Mini 2,1) and the system doesn't recognize the sled. I'm very sad! It doesn't work either on a Mac Mini Intel. A few days ago I tried also with a Mac Mini G4 1,5GHz (PowerMac 10,2) and of course nothing was good. Correct me if I've got this wrong, but you've verified the hard drive is OK but you've been unable to get the drive bay to work on two different systems, yes? It sounds to me that you were sent a defective product. Do you disagree? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firefox
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:14 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the site http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=tiffany+wwe+playboy I have NoScript and use the latest version of Firefox So why does this site get me a warning that a script is busy or not responding? I do NOT have scripts enabled for this page Hi, according to Google this will fix your problem: REALLY?!?!? Running some, ahem, tool to scan the Windows registry will fix a Mac OS X system problem??? Apparently Microsoft Apple have been copying from each other to a much greater extent than I realized! ;-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: installing older software
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM, John Niven sense...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you sure you can run that old s/w on a G4? Given my luck with older floppy disks, my question would be whether or not the OP is sure that his media can still be read. One of the biggest reasons I stopped using floppy disks completely was less about the form factor or the amount of the data I could store on them ... though that certainly was part of it. It was because I lost confidence that I would always be able to read back what I wrote. Guess there is no way to know other than to just try it though ... -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mozilla Firefox
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:30 AM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: I'd imagine, Firefox will want an Intel chip, and won't run on the G4 or G5 for that matter. Depends on what you mean by won't run on the G4 or G5. Since Firefox is open source it's always possible (in theory at least) to recompile the source to get an executable for those CPU's. What's also possible though is that perhaps no one will want to bother or (more likely) that the recompiled source won't run on the version of OS X used on those platforms due to some incompatibility that has nothing to do with the CPU. Given the amount of interest in the G4/G5 systems I don't see that happening any time soon. But eventually, sure it'll happen. To put it another way, someplace I've got an IBM PS/2 that uses an Intel 386 CPU and the MicroChannel expansion bus. How much luck do you think I'd have getting Firefox to run on that system? (Assuming I could still power it on which at this point also seems unlikely ... ;-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5 (June 2004) crash?
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:02 PM, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com wrote: My G5 crashes when I connect it to the internet. Otherwise it runs fine. What do you mean by crashes? What happens? (I have an early 2008 MacBook and when I plug in a firewire cable the power cuts off, so it's pretty obvious to me that I've got a hardware problem. But I suppose I could also describe that as it crashes.) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SSD
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Ed Grey wrote: I meant an SSD drive that comes on a PCI card. Here: http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/ad4cfprj.asp http://www.laurontech.com/pcissd.html http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Storage-Devices/CENATEK-Rocket-Drive-SSD/ The addonics device allows you to use a compact flash card inserted directly into the PCI card. However this is NOT what most people are thinking of when they talk about adding a SSD disk to their system. Usually I associate compact flash with USB 2 throughput speeds. Maybe 30-40 MB/s ... probably less. Depends on how much you want to pay. The other links are to a PCI card which uses SDRAM memory (PC133?) to mimic a hard drive. I'm not sure it would even work in a Mac and unless it comes with a battery, anything stored in its (small) amount of RAM would vanish when the power goes off. Of course, that device was apparently sold back in 2003 so I'm not even sure it's available any longer. Maybe it would help if you stated once again why you think you want an SSD drive and, more importantly, what machines you want to use it in. First I thought you were asking how to install an SSD drive in an older (PATA) laptop. But then somehow a PCI adapter crept into the discussion. If you're just looking to improve performance pretty much any recent SATA drive that uses high bit density platters and perpendicular recording will probably meet your needs and for less money than you'd pay for a (lower capacity SSD). This is assuming you're putting it into a desktop and can use a PATA to SATA adapter. (They tend to be inexpensive these days). Depending on how old your hardware is, your internal bus bandwidth may be less than that of a drive you might purchase. In other words, the bottleneck for your drive speed may be in your motherboard components, not the drive itself. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: anybody used this silenx fan 120mm in your MDD?
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't mean the fans firmware, I meant the MDD's firmware. -Jonas :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Yes, I'm sure Bruce knew that is what you meant. What I believe he was trying to say is that there is no possible way that the firmware on any computer could identify a particular type of fan. Possibly it could differentiate between generic types of fans i.e. those with a speed sensor versus those without. But even if it could, why would anyone bother? It's not a difference that's worth the cost of the code to detect it IMO. Even if you outsource them, programmer's ain't THAT cheap. (I hope ...) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Excessive cable charges and alternates?
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Online Netflix is also an idea. It requires an intel mac though. Erm, its a flash site that shouldn't require anything other then a computer that can display flash video... Last time I looked ... which admittedly was a few months ago ... Netflix instant video (or whatever they call it) required either Microsoft's Silverlight v3 on a Windows or Mac computer or use of a Netflix ready device such as Tivo, Xbox 360, Playstation 3, et alia http://www.netflix.com/NetflixReadyDevices Hulu uses flash. Perhaps that is what you were thinking of? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Happy New Year!
OWC SUCKS ... (their Mercury Elite Pro 500 GB was supposed to be my wonderful new BOOTABLE backup drive). The damn thing doesn't work on ANY of my Macs OWC has a number of different flavors of their Mercury Elite Pro. Did you get the FireWire 400+ USB 2.0 or the FireWire 800/400 + USB2 + eSATA (aka Quad Interface)? I'm assuming you bought an enclosure that had the 500 GB hard drive already installed, correct? Neither USB nor Firewire work for you? After three replacements? Have you tried using the enclosure on another system? (Borrow some time on friend's perhaps?) Do you have (or could borrow) another enclosure so you could test if that works on the system you're having problems with? (Probably best to move this to another thread with a proper subject line if you want to pursue this topic further). -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Happy New Year!
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: Dr. Who, Season 3 highly recommended I'm one of those who is waiting to see David Tennant's last appearance as the Doctor. Hopefully sometime later today or tomorrow ... Other than that ... guess I'll go walk some dogs and hopefully eat some free food at a party I've been invited to crash later tonight. On the whole a better New Years day than some I've spent. :-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport for the BW G3
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Andy andy.the...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget about Wireless Ethernet Bridges. Can be found in the UK for about 40GBP. You plug it into your Ethernet port and it connects to your wireless network. It will work with any Mac with an Ethernet connection. If you already have a wireless access point/router then the best solution in terms of throughput is almost always to connect your system to it via wired ethernet. Failing that a wireless bridge (a small box which looks like a router but can act like a wireless client in terms of connecting to your existing wireless network) could be used. But if you needs are very simple, I think a USB dongle would probably be cheaper. I expect it would work best with USB 2.0 but, depending on what sort of throughput you're expecting to get, I suppose USB 1.1 could be functional for you also. (I've never tried using USB 1.1 with a wireless USB dongle so I couldn't say how it would work). Also, if you're going to be mixing I can now point towards a VERY short forum post over at smallnetbuilder.com. (Apparently that topic came up a LOT ;-) Before you ask about mixing N and A/B/G clients http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=2506 -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport for the BW G3
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Robert Long texasche...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey John, thanks, I am using a repeater with an ethernet opening for my wireless macbook pro and it works fine. I am thinking of moving it closer to the BW G3 and connect by ethernet. What do you think?? I'm not sure I understand what your network topology is. Could you give a bit more info, like what is the manufacturer model number of this repeater? How many computers are networking together? Is it just your MacBook Pro and the BW G3? Just trying to get a clear picture of your environs ... -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: cheap external hard drive hookup ??
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Newer Technology USB 2.0 Universal Drive Adapter The Swiss Army Knife of Disk Connectivity...Turns Any Bare Drive Into An External Storage Solution!! https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/U2NV2SPATA/ As you can tell at a glance, the main difference among the offerings for these gadgets is the price you pay for them more than their actual capabilities. A while back (don't remember the exact date) I picked up one of these for something like $9 (??) including shipping from China via ebay. I doubt there is that much difference in the chipset used in the USB attached devices. My guess ... and it's only a guess naturally ... is that the power supply is a very large percentage of the manufacturing costs of one of these devices. So IMO it all depends on how much you worry about the quality of the power supply you are getting. To be frank, I have yet to try out the PSU that I got with that cheap USB multi-adapter. I *HAVE* used the adapter, I just chose to power it from another supply. (See my signature below ;-) Some people think that the extra hand holding they get from OWC (macsales.com) makes them well worth the extra premium they charge for their products. That's a personal call each person has to make, no? I can say if money was not a consideration for me I'd go with the OWC gadget. But I just happen to have a thing for indicator lights. I'm not even sure I care whether they add value or not ... -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Lost finder and desktop Indo
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM, BlackShark Films an...@blacksharkfilms.com wrote: Hello all. I re-ran the Tiger disc install at the genius bar at the Braintree Apple Store. Not only did it work but he found all these apps that were unnecessary and yes freed up 27gigs of space WAHOO Unnecessary?? Could you expand on that a tad more? How were they unnecessary? Time limited trials that had all expired? Apps no longer supported in your version of OSX/Tiger? Y2K utilities? No real reason for asking other than I'm just curious. 27 GB is a fair piece of storage no matter how youy count it. ;-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PCI Wireless Cards
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: So what I did, is buy one of these Amazon.com: TRENDnet 300 Mbps Dual Band Wireless N USB Adapter TEW-664UB (Version v1.0R) It's dual band which means you get 802.11n (2.4ghz) or 802.11n (5ghz) it's the only US2 dongle that supports 5ghz that I know of. I think I'm more impressed by the fact that this TrendNet USB device apparently comes with software which allows it to work on a Mac. Claiming it is a dual-band 802.11n client strikes as a bit of marketing hype. Technically I believe my Early 2008 white Intel MacBook 4,1 (MB403LL/A) could also be claimed to be dual band since it can use either the 2.4GHz or the 5GHz band. (It's either one or the other at a time, of course. I don't know of *any* client that supports simultaneous dual-band. Given how few people would have any use for that capability, it's probably cheaper just to buy two dongle's (or whatever) than to try to build that sort of thing into a single piece of client hardware.) An indirect way of determining whether or not an 802.11n wireless client is dual band is to look at the specs and find out which protocols it supports in addition to 80211.n. If it also supports 802.11a then the client can work in the 5GHz band as well as 2.4GHz and so could be referred to as dual-band. I don't think this terminology is commonly used with clients, but then WTHDIK? At least that's how I understand it ... -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fantom Drives
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Michael G.M. michaelgm717...@gmail.com wrote: IDE drives are getting a little more hard to find but not impossible to find by a long shot. I'm confused. Why would you even *want* to seek out an IDE/PATA drive for use in an external enclosure? When attaching via USB or Firewire it doesn't matter what interface is used to connect to the drive itself. At this point purchasing a SATA enclosure and drives makes more sense, at least to me. Heck, if it were me, I'd even consider using a SATA drive in a PATA only machine if (a) I were still using one and (b) I wasn't limited by a lack of 48-bit LBA addressing. I'd use one of the newer (to me) all-in-one SATA-to-PATA converters. Some links to what I've seen on-line but haven't tried for myself yet ... http://www.cooldrives.com/sahadradtoid.html http://www.satacables.com/html/sata_to_ide_adapter.html I've also been debating trying something like the above to allow me to extend the useful life of my PATA drive enclosures ... The ones above are unfortunately a bit too pricey IMO, but that could change. My apologies for the digression from the OP, -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fantom Drives
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Michael G.M. michaelgm717...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the SATA drives support SMART do they? Yes, they do. Or I suppose to be more precise I should say all the SATA drives which I am familiar with support SMART. On a more general note, there seems to be some confusion about the relationship of SATA to PATA drives. It's become common for people to refer to an IDE drive when they actually mean a PATA drive. Technically, both SATA and PATA drives are still ATA and thus (informally) IDE. According to WIkipedia (so it MUST be correct ;-), IDE just stands for Integrated Drive Electronics (IDE) interface. It's a very, very old term (in computer years) and originated back when the device controllers were first integrated onto the actual hard disk. ATA is just the meaningless techno-babble of AT Attachment. (Advanced Technology Attachment?) ATA refers (I think) to the underlying commands used to tell a hard drive what to do. Things like Write to block 10256 and Read from block 810563. My understanding is that in order to simplify the transition from PATA to SATA, the SATA drives still can support all the commands the previous PATA drives did. In other words, the way in which an operating system usually talks to a hard drive was preserved and required no software changes just to use the newer drive. What changed was the way commands and data was moved to/from the hard drive. SATA does it one bit at a time or serially. PATA moves bits in parallel. But the actual bits being moved didn't require changing. (SATA added new capabilities, sure. But that just means SATA drives support more commands than the PATA. They also still support anything a PATA drive could reasonably be expected to do). My G-Drive Q is a SATA drive and it doesn't show up in disk utility as SMART supported. That's one thing that concerns me about switching to SATA. How is the device attached? If it's via USB/Firewire then you'll never see SMART since there is no support in either attachment protocol (at the moment) for working with the SMART support on a drive. If the hard drive is directly attached via a PATA cable to your motherboard, then I'm not sure what is up. Have you got a make model number for the drive? I'd love to see the speed boost in my G3 with SATA though especially with PS and Snapz pro2. Don't know whether or not you'd see a speed boost with your current hardware. Probably would. It certainly shouldn't be any slower. ;-) And of course you'd want to make sure you don't have problems on your hardware with the 128GB size limit restrictions. (I know that has been discussed in depth here in the past. Unfortunately I can't keep straight in my head which older Mac models can do what). -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: But I'm going to keep those five year warranty papers handy I've never replaced a drive under warranty so I may have this wrong. But the impression I got from poking around drive manufacturer web sites is that they all base the warranty period not on your purchase date, as you might expect, but rather on the drive's date of manufacturer. This is determined from the drive's serial number. If you're curious you can visit Hitachi Global Storage Technologies support at http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/support/warranty , plug in the serial numbers of your new drives, and find out when there warranty period ends for them. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Tomtba...@nmia.com wrote: And since I've decided to replace the other drive too, as a precaution (they're both 5 years old), I guess I'll do that twice, once with each drive. There are always lot of unknowns in trying to predict drive failure. If the drive has been heavily used constantly throughout those 5 years then it's probably a good idea. But if it were me, I wouldn't necessarily rush right out to a big box store and pay whatever the going rate was for a replacement drive. Especially if you're already routinely backing up this drive. You can save some money by looking around and waiting for a good buying opportunity. Of course, none of that matters if the potential price saving doesn't matter to you. Tastes vary on this. I was just guessing that if you're maintaining an older Mac then perhaps you might also be price sensitive. Either way, you'll potentially be surprised at the improvement in performance using a drive with the latest technology might buy you. Things have changed noticeably even within the last 2 years. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about how Time Machine works
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Tomtba...@nmia.com wrote: ... OWC has always been a reliable company, so I just up and ordered up two of these 1-TB ones from them: http://tinyurl.com/dec2kl. There is a cheaper version of the same drive offered there ($87 vs. $139, see http://tinyurl.com/ mjm49f), but ç and this model has a 5 year warranty and they brag about a million hours and more before it croaks. The Hitachi Deskstar E7K1000 looks like it is an enterprise version of their mainstream 7K1000.B. I'm not well informed on all the potential differences so perhaps others will jump in here. But the main differences I could see were: - a 32MB cache instead of 16MB - a failure rate of 1 in 10**15 versus 1 in 10**14 - the 5 year warranty versus just the 3 year for the 7K1000.B I think the drives you bought are claimed to be better for use in a RAID array. As I say, I have no idea how much of a difference they may make versus the lower cost more general purpose 7K1000.B. I have two of the 7K1000.B 1TB drives. The last one I got for $65 from newegg.com as an OEM drive (seems the most frequent way drives are sold these days). There's also a $10 rebate for it so if I can get off my butt and submit it the net price would be closer to $56. IMO you get what you pay for is often as much a hopeful prayer for the future as a reliable rule of thumb. I also think that part of what you are paying extra for are intangibles such as confidence in a particular retailer. Only the buyer can judge how important that is to them. In the end, the important thing is that you be happy with your purchase and it sounds as though you are, so 'nuff said. What do you plan to do with the nominally still working 5 year old drive you'll be replacing with one of the new E7K1000s? If it were me, I'd find some other way to try to continue to get some use out of it. (Of course, I'd also want to run the manufacturer's diagnostic software on it to get an idea of how failure prone it might be.) BTW, as long as that drive is still functioning you could also just copy/clone it directly to the replacement drive rather than restore it from Time Machine. Since your Mac is running Leopard you should just be able to use Disk Utility to copy/clone the non-failed drive to one of the new Hitachi's provided you can have all three drives mounted at the same time. That is, if you can temporarily mount 3 drives internally in your G5 or temporarily attach the new one via an external USB/Firewire enclosure. Just because you have a Time Machine backup doesn't mean you must use it ... unless that's what you really want to do. :-) -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rumor: Snow Leopard to support PPC !!
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Vicvma...@gmail.com wrote: Don't step on that dwarf! Crush. Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers. Which stays in my mind primarily because of that timeless political soundbite from George Leroy Tirebyter: ... and you can believe me! Because I never lie. And I'm *always* right. But I digress ... -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rumor: Snow Leopard to support PPC !!
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:49 AM, ah...clemboneheads...@gmail.com wrote: so call me stoopid if you like ... You know, I actually think that we're all bozos on this bus ... -irrational john ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: a FW box with a HDD, and a DVD ROM/RW?
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Mullin9ddavidmul...@inbox.com wrote: Do anyone make FireWire Enclosure that holds a HDD, and a DVD ROM/RW I'm not clear on what you are asking. Did you mean an enclosure that holds both a HDD and a DVD burner simultaneously? If so, no, I've never heard of anything like that. Other than a computer, of course ... Or did you just mean an enclosure that could house either a HDD *or* a DVD burner. In that case, yes, pretty much any 5.25 FW enclosure should be able to handle that. Of course, both the HDD and the DVD burner would have to use the same interface. Either both need to be PATA with a PATA enclosure or (probably more useful in the future) everything would need to use SATA. Is that what you're asking about? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mkehoemirake...@gmail.com wrote: Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867? If you are using Leopard you can simply use the Disk Utility to copy/clone your parititon(s). That's what I did when I moved my MacBook to a larger hard drive. Of course, the feature you use isn't called for copy but restore. But if you specify your old drive as the source and your new one as the destination you'll get the desired result. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport N + dialup?
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: Also, you may get different results depending on whether you are using the 2.4GHz or the 5GHz band. Shouldn't the 5GHz be faster? My understanding from the little I've read about this over at www.smallnetbuilder.com is that 5GHz can be better if there are sources of interference in the 2.4GHz band. (Typical examples are cordless phones or a microwave or a baby monitor.) It's also potentially better in the sense of not interfering if you want to use 802.11g and 802.11n simultaneously. If your 802.11n is in the 5 GHz band it can't interfere with 802.11g. 5 GHz is potentially worse in that you apparently won't get as much range using it, at least with current radios. The throughput using either band should be roughly equivalent. You can potentially get a slight throughput improvement by using 40 MHz bandwidth (channel bonding?) versus the standard specified default of 20 MHz. But that comes at the cost, at least in the 2.4 GHz band, of greater interference with existing protocols. (The WI-Fi standard default of using 20 MHz is sometimes referred to informally as a good neighbor policy.) There are two other problems with using 40 MHz. First, it appears to only work well close in. As the distance of the client increases, the throughput relationship can flip and 40 MHz can perform *worse* than with 20 MHz. The other problem is that your wireless client just may not support it. If this is the case then there is clearly no reason to enable it since it could only make things worse, not better. Apparently my early 2008 white MacBook does *not* support 40 MHz bandwidth, only the default of 20 MHz. This surprised me. And with the early 2009 AE, would this be the automatic default band selected by the box? Who knows? That's at least one of the reasons I'd like to read a review of the latest AE by a more comprehensive testing site like smallnetbuilder. I believe they have requested test hardware from Apple but have not heard anything back. I find this strange because Apple has supplied them with test equipment in the past. I found at least the following (historical) reviews. October 15, 2007 AirPort Extreme dual-band/single radio 11n http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30188/96/ July 16, 2007 Apple TV http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30095/80/ December 17, 2004 Apple AirPort Express 802.11g http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/24714/80/ If you know of a review of the new early 2009 dual radio AE that goes into more technical details than the usual online review, I'd really appreciate being pointed towards it. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport N + dialup?
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Bruce Johnsonjohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: That may need the $1.99 update you had to buy. I don't think so. Mostly because as far I know 802.11n support for this version of the MacBook was baked in when it was released. It was released at the beginning of 2008 and support for 802.11n was already present in a number of Apple (and other company's) products by that time. No? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport N + dialup?
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Bruce Johnsonjohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Does anyone know if a usb modem would work in the usb port of the Airport Extreme n? No it wouldn't. The USB modem is a 'softmodem', like a Winmodem; it relies on the computer host's CPU to do the work. In addition to that rather fundamental problem, I would be concerned that the Airport Extreme ... either g or n ... may not support this use. I believe the USB port on the AE is intended only to support either a printer or a USB external storage device. Out of curiosity, what about the suggestions in the previous posts did you find off putting? What is actually being suggested is essentially quite a simple change. It may not have sounded that way, but as network setup goes, this really is not that complicated. You already use the modem in the AEg to connect to the Internet, correct? All that was suggested was a way to also use/add the AEn wireless to what I believe is your existing local LAN managed by the AEg. Is that not what you were asking to do? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport N + dialup?
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Al Poulinalfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: And here is Apple's Setup Guide: http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/AirPortExtreme_802.11n_UserGuide.pdf and Apple's Design pub for the latest model: http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/Apple_AirPort_Networks_Early2009.pdf plus the earlier 2008 models: http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/Designing_AirPort_Networks_10.5-Windows.pdf I tried (briefly) to locate the manual for the AirPort Extreme Base Station with Modem M8799LL/A which is what I think the OP said he is using to connect to the Internet. However, I didn't have much luck. All I could find was this Technical Specifications doc: http://support.apple.com/kb/SP55 If it's the same device it sounds as though it can handle some heavy lifting. Supposedly able to handle up to 50 802.11g clients simultaneously? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport N + dialup?
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Chance Reechercnrtechh...@gmail.com wrote: You can simply plug your older AirPort into the N AirPort's WAN port, and set the N AirPort to get it's internet connection through DHCP. While I am not hands on familiar with either of these AirPort routers, the suggested procedure of using the WAN point to connect the routers seems a little off to me. Even if it works, you'd still be using NAT (and DHCP?) in both routers. That would frankly confuse the heck of me, if not also the routers. You could also try looking at this article for suggestions on how to setup additional routers as Access Points added to an existing DHCP/NAT router. The article is targeted at non-Apple products so I don't know how well it will translate for you to Apple's approach at configuring wireless aka AirPort. I would expect the concepts to also apply to the Apple devices even if the terminology is different. How To Convert a Wireless Router into an Access Point http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30338/228/ By the way, anyone know why on earth Apple insists on referring to wireless as AirPort? Is this just plain heels dug in stubbornness à la Steve Jobs or does some useful corporate (legal?) advantage follow from this? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: agp graphics vs. gigabit ethernet
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Bill Connellybillycarm...@verizon.net wrote: The Netgear cg814gcmr has 10/100 Mbit/s hardwire ethernet capability, but only 54 Mbit/s wireless. Are you using wireless networking? You could get 100Mbs using hardwired networking off your onboard ethernet connection, if you're connected via a ethernet network wire. 54 Mbps and 100 Mbps are optimistic marketing numbers. Granted with wired ethernet you may get within shouting distance of the spec max. With wireless that's a LOT less likely to happen. See Rule #1: It never goes as fast as they say it does (link below). www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/24861/228/1/1/ All of which is not really that relevant if you are talking about LAN-to-Internet throughput. As (I think) Bruce pointed out, even the typical real-world throughput for 802.11g is often sufficient to cover the 7 or 8 Mbps (or *less*) downstream which is what you're likely to get from a cable modem ISP. Unless something is seriously wrong with a local network, it is unlikely to be the bottleneck for Internet transfers. Easiest way to rule it out is probably to do some file transfers on the local network and see what sort of throughput you get. If you're wondering what the bottleneck might be on LAN-to-LAN transfers, then a reasonably good ... perhaps dumbed down tedious for some ... look at possible bottlenecks is covered in the Tom's article Gigabit Ethernet: Dude, Where's My Bandwidth? (link below). www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gigabit-ethernet-bandwidth,2321.html -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Liam Provenlpro...@gmail.com wrote: AMD are really struggling now. The Sledgehammer µarch was stunning and killed Itanium; it moved the x86 world onto 64-bit, although 99% of machines still run 32-bit S/W, just like for a decade, 99% of the 32-bit 386 machines ran 16-bit S/W. I assume you're using 99% in a wave your hands sort of way. I very much doubt that only 1% or less of the market is Apple Intel systems which I would consider to be essentially 64-bit in many respects now. And when a majority of those system move to Snow Leopard which seems likely given Apple's aggressive pricing ... they will probably be as 64-bit as you're going to get a system with an x86-64 processor to be. I'm not sure what the thinking is over at Microsoft, but it looks as though they're also moving in that direction. The Windows 7 install media will apparently contain *both* the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows. They won't be sold separately any longer. None of this will immediately change the fact that a majority of the x86-64 systems out there will *still* be running in 32-bit mode. I'm just saying that a lot more than 1% of them will move to 64-bit mode. It took a long time to build up momentum, but I think from this point on the switch over is only going to move faster. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VideoLan has finally reached version 1.0.0
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Len Gerstellgers...@gmail.com wrote: VideoLan has released version 1.0.0 of its software, one of the more robust and format inclusive video players for OS X. http://www.videolan.org Thanks. Downloading now. VideoLan is somewhat amazing to me. Given all the (video) players out there from all the different companies, the only one I have had a consistently good experience with is VideoLan. To fall back on a perhaps over used phrase, it just works. At least for me. I can't say that about the players that come with either Windows or OS X. (Though the WMP in Windows 7 seems to suck a bit less than previous versions of WMP ... that's about as generous as I can be with the faint praise). -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Peterpeter1...@gmail.com wrote: 6GB pretty much is the low end for running OSX. Get a bigger HD and copy the content from the 6GB with CCC to the new HD. My sentiments exactly! Although ... before leaping into getting a bigger drive it might be wise to walk through what your options are. I say this because I'm just a lurker here. I have no direct experience with the hard drives used in older Macs. While it has been my experience that (especially in recent years) the hard drive has become one of the *most* standardized commodity components used in a computer, it's always better to take the measure twice, cut once route, no? Another question to consider is how much money are you willing to throw at this machine to get it to work better? $0? $10? $20? $30? ... et cetera ... FWIW, -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: Hackintosh help needed!!!!!!!!
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Jonas Ulrichjonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I realize that this has nothing to do with this list, but I was hoping that someone would know something about building a Hackintosh. Yes, it has nothing to do with this list. And while I personally don't mind you asking, from past experience I expect others might feel differently. It's usually better to pursue questions like yours with a group of people who share your interest. While it can be a tad tedious to try to track down Hackintosh interest groups using a search engine, it is definitely *NOT* hard. http://www.google.com/search?q=hackintosh+OR+hackint0sh Below are a few links for alternate discussion groups I suggest you relocate your question to. And if you take a little time to skim these lists then I expect you'll find even more places you can look for help. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/ FWIW, -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Ralph Greensfrea...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As Peter said, the connectors for 2.5 and 3.5 SATA drives are the same. But, the power draw is almost always a lot more on the 3.5 drives. A single USB port can supply 2.5 watts(.5 amps at 5V). My understanding when I read Jeff's note was that his enclosure was powered from an external 5v 12v AC-DC power supply, not from the USB port. What was confusing to me about Jeff's situation is that apparently the 2.5 drive worked with USB (and I assumed also with eSATA ... though he may not have checked this). However, when he put the 3.5 drive into the enclosure it did not work with USB but it *did* work via eSATA. If it was strictly an enclosure power supply issue then I would expect the 3.5 drive to never work in the enclosure. Or USB to not work for either drive. I can't come up with a good rational for why the 3.5 drive would work with eSATA but *not* work with USB, other than possibly the 3.5 drive exceeded some GB capacity limit of the SATA-USB adapter/converter?? Oh, well. Maybe it's gremlins? Makes as much sense to me as anything else at this point. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, MacGuymacgu...@gmail.com wrote: ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure... question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for this 2.5 drive? I've always gone by the rule that if they have exactly the same connectors then they are/should be getting exactly the same power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#Power_supply If the 2.5 drives have different power requirements than the 3.5 then I would think that is something which is handled internal to the drive. But as always I am curious to see what other have to say. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruce Johnsonjohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5 and 3.5 drives require the same voltages) things should work out fine. I don't know how pertinent to this thread this is, but I'm not positive they use the same voltages. I agree that since both 2.5 3.5 drives use the same connector then the same voltages should be *supplied* to the drive. However, I don't know how they could pull off the trick of powering a 2.5 drive from a USB connector unless the 2.5 drives required anything other than 5v. I've always assumed that the 2.5 drives simply ignored the 12v power line in the connector (and probably also the 3.3v ... as apparently most (all?) of the 3.5 drives do in order to allow them to be powered via a 5v 12v 4-pin molex connector plugged into a SATA power connector adapter). I hate it when manufacturers take shortcuts and don't fully implement a spec. But it's a fact of life that they do this when everbody knows it will work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the 12v (and 3.3v) pins on most laptop supplies were open. Sorry to view off point so far. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:34 PM, MacGuymacgu...@gmail.com wrote: This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff Which ICY DOCK enclosure? Just curious ... I occasionally look at the ICY DOCK MB881US-1S-1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198029 and go Hmm but (1) it costs more than I'd want to pay and (2) the *last* thing I need is yet another enclosure. You say it has given you grief when used via USB. Does it have another mode (eSATA perhaps?) where it works reliably? If that's the case then I'd suspect the SATA-USB logic board rather than the power supply. (I expect there's not much if any logic required to convert SATA -eSATA.) No chance the enclosure is still under warranty? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Clark Martincm...@sonic.net wrote: The standard 3.5 5.25 drive power connector supplies +12V and +5V. 2.5 drives only need 5V so they would just use that power line. There is no 3.3V line on drive power cables. I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Yes, I think all the external power supplies I've seen have only supplied at most +12v and +5v. But the SATA spec apparently specifies that pins 1 to 3 of a standard 15 pin SATA power connector should supply 3.3 volts. I doubt any of the current 3.5 drives actually depend on this, but it's apparently part of the spec. I don't know about 2.5 drives, but I suspect they only need 5 volts as you said. I've seen speculation that some of the solid state memory drives might require the 3.3v supply, but it was just speculation. I really have no idea why the SATA power connector is supposed to provide 3.3 volts to some pins. But apparently that's what the spec says. (I thought about ... and immediately rejected ... poking around with a volt meter in my SATA external enclosure's power connector to see what it supplies to pins 1 to 3. Knowing me, I would be sure to short some pins to ground and destroy a perfectly good enclosure. A geek's gotta know his limitations ...) -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
As for the one I'm having troubles with: http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the obvious explanation which is escaping me. If the 2.5 drive works with USB, then I would think there is no problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA-USB logic to either work or not work. But if the 3.5 drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the drive. So why wouldn't the 3.5 drive *also* work with USB? Is there a big difference between the capacities of the two drives? (Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5 drive partitioned formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-( -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Orig. Airport card vs. PCI wireless card
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com wrote: I am using the latest Airport Extreme base station. In that case if you are planning are including other (existing) 802.11b or g clients in your wireless network you might want to take the trouble to going with an 802.11n wireless adapter which includes support for using the 5GHz band. By having your n clients use the 5GHz band they'd avoid whatever throughput reductions you'd get by mixing protocols. Using 5GHz also side steps possible interference problems. Range is not as good in the 5GHz band, but that's only a problem if it's a problem ... Of course, the above only is helpful if you're going to be mixing 802.11n with 802.11g or b. If all the clients in wireless network will be 802.11n then it matters less what band you use. (Assuming you have no interference problems ...) -irrational john P.S. If you want to know if a wireless (client) adapter supports 5GHz as well as the more common 2.4GHz, look to see if it supports 802.11a. At least that's the advice I was given. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Orig. Airport card vs. PCI wireless card
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kris Tilfordktilfo...@cox.net wrote: You're saying I can have 802.11n clients using only the 5GHz band, and simultaneously use 802.11b/g clients on the 2.4GHz band? That's my understanding of what it means when the specs for the AirPort Extreme (Early 2009) say it supports 2.4GHz and 5GHz simultaneously. You should be able to set it up to use different protocols on the different bands. (That *is* the version of the AirPort Extreme you have, correct?) How do I set this up with Apple Airport 802.11n router? Wouldn't this require the router to appears as two separate networks on different channels? Unfortunately, since I don't own one of the new dual band AirPort Extremes, I haven't a clue. I tried going to the Apple support section to see what I could find there, but I came up empty. (Perhaps I just don't know where to look?) What I kept running into were instructions in the manuals along the lines of Open AirPort Utility, select your base station, and follow the onscreen instructions to create your new network. I know almost everyone else apparently *loves* it when Apple shields its customers from details. But for me I often find them a bit *too* much like an appliance for my tastes. Sometimes I *want* to work with the details. Oh, well. I expect you would set this up it by specifying a different SSID and protocol for each band. The SSID is often referred to as the wireless network name but in this context that's misleading. You'd only have one wireless (and wired) local network that all the connected devices would be part of. The SSID in this case is more of a name for the method used to connect to that network. Since I could not find anything on the Apple site, the best I could do was a link to a screen shot from a review of a LinkSys WRT600N dual band router over at smallnetbuilder.com. All the screen shot shows you is that you can configure both the 2.4 and the 5GHz band separately. I expect the AirPort Extreme also provides this capability ... somehow. http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/myincludes/image_page.php?/images/stories/wireless/linksys_wrt600n/linksys_wrt600n_wireless_basic.png Of course, all the above assumes that your wireless (client) PCI adapter also supports using the 5GHz band. Not all of them do. Adding support for the extra band adds to the cost of the adapter so it's often left out to reduce the manufacturing cost of an adapter. If the 802.11n adapter you're thinking of getting says it supports 802.11b, 802.11g, and 802.11n but leaves out 802.11a then it would not be able to talk to your airport on the 5GHz band. It would only support 802.11n in the 2.4GHz band. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Ted Treented.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: A dead PRAM battery stopped my G4/400 booting, and the same thing happened to a G4/867 at work. IT (PC boys) diagnosed a dead mobo. Well, in their defense, they *were* right weren't they? The motherboard was essentially dead ... until you replaced the battery. And if you think about it, you both came up with the same solution. Replacing the motherboard would have merely been their somewhat indirect approach to replacing the battery ... Almost any problem can always be solved with enough levels of indirection, no? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Orig. Airport card vs. PCI wireless card
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Arnel Tuazona.tua...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question: Which is better (more stable) an original Airport card (802.11b) or a PCI wireless card that is 802.11n ? IMO that's a question that can't really be answered as asked. I don't believe the stability of a connection has much to do with whether the protocol used is 802.11b or n. I wouldn't approach the question of what adapter to use this way. In no particular order some of the questions I'd ask are ... * How many devices would be using your wireless network initially? Would they all be capable of using 802.11n or only some of them? If only some, what protocols could the other devices use? * What's your best guess as to how your wireless network will change with time? That is, what new stuff do you think you might get that you'd want to also include in your network? * What sort of distances and what sort of signal barriers are you expecting your wireless network to work over. Would there be interference from other devices such as cordless phones, other people's wireless nets, et cetera? * What would you use the network for? It can range from just surfing the net via a web browser to trying to streaming 1080p HD video to trying to move large files routinely via wireless. I know the n is WAY faster, but I'm thinking of stability in terms of dropped connections, problems re-connecting, etc. 802.11n can be noticeably faster than 802.11b. But if you don't think things through ahead of time you might not realize the potential the marketeering types allege in their cryptic ad bites. That said, 802.11b is pretty well dead at this point in time and I wouldn't advise anyone to go that route unless they had very compelling reasons to do so. Or equivalently, compelling reasons why they would NOT want to go with 802.11n. The fact that you would be using an 802.11n capable router makes me wonder why on earth you'd stick with b. But I really don't know your context and doing so may very well make sense for you. Which flavor of Airport Extreme base station would you be using? The original version which I believe can only use either 2.4GHz or the 5GHz band, but not both bands simultaneously? Or the newer, Early 2009 flavor which apparently can use both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously? (Not sure just what simultaneously means in this context, but it sure sounds neat, doesn't it? I wonder if it actually is neat or just more marketeer-speak. ;-) -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Dante Armok dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Also, GMail's reply function makes top posting, however annoying it may be to some people, but it is the default action, and I have not been able to figure out how to make it run otherwise. I'm in GMail's web interface right now. It's working exactly as expected. One of the few constructive thing's I'm getting from this thread is to learn a few additional gmail tricks ... First, as to the top vs bottom aspect of gmail, yes, gmail *does* start you out with the cursor above the quoted text. If I want to add text below the quoted text I press ctrl-End in Windows or some other (annoying to me) key combination for my MacBook. OK, this may be too much work for some people, but it's an option. Second, should you wish to, it is possible to selectively quote text in gmail. Go to the Labs tab on the Settings page and scroll to about the halfway point on that entire page to find an option called *Quote selected text* by a Ryan A. If you enable it then the text you select in a message is what is quoted when you reply to that message. Granted, I keep forgetting to use this now that I've enabled it. But if I do it's easy enough to discard the reply, go back and select text, and then reply again. Also, it's an experimental feature so I suppose you can't rely on it. Doesn't matter that much to me. If it stops working then I'll find a way to cope with the loss. Again, others may not have the necessary emotional resilience. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
