Re: What it's like to own an Apple product...

[Lana Litwin]

Try being retired when you discover Apple products. It's worse.

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> ROFLMAO
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Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?

[lana]

    I am leary of even taking the back off of the computer. The last time I 
tried it was a disaster. I would rather pay $25 for ensured success.





From: Dana Collins 
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Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 12:35:22 PM
Subject: Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?

On 6/1/10 11:02 AM, "lana"  wrote:

> I too love the Quick Silver but have one caveat.We lost power three times in
> one hour. I am told the power supply went. I found one for $20 on ebay  but
> now have to pay $25 to put it in.This is apparently a problem with some
> quicksilvers? I really like the machine and so think the repair is worth it.

Am curious as to why the charge, outside of labor for hire. Power supplies
on these units (the QS) are no harder than earlier models; in fact the QS is
the last model where the PSU (power supply) is fairly easy to replace
(unlike the MDDs and beyond). Instructions are easy to find online
(try this: 
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Repairing-Power-Mac-G4-Quicksilver-Power-
Supply/2053/1  )

If you've never done this, and are simply more comfortable having an
experienced other performing the task for assurance sake, then that's
understandable - Quicksilvers are worth it!
Best regards,
Dana


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Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?

[lana]

I too love the Quick Silver but have one caveat.We lost power three times in 
one hour. I am told the power supply went. I found one for $20 on ebay  but now 
have to pay $25 to put it in.This is apparently a problem with some 
quicksilvers? I really like the machine and so think the repair is worth it.




From: Larry Stotler 
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Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 8:59:44 AM
Subject: Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?

On May 30, 7:03 pm, Scotty  wrote:
> I have a used G4 Quicksilver w/1.25 GB RAM that I love and well it
> came with 10.5 installed but I have to re-install an OS on it.  I
> don't have a copy of 10.5 , but I do have the Original OS 10.2 disk
> that came with the Quicksilver, A copy of 10.4 from my old "Lampshade"
> iMac G4 that I am not sure if it will work with the Power Mac or I
> could look into a PPC Linux or BSD distro and I was wondering if
> anyone had any suggestions in terms of what I would get the best
> performance out of my hardware.

If you have used Linux and are comfortable with it, then it's a good
choice.  However, mainstream PPC support is falling off.  BSD's are a
pain to work with since  they are so stripped down.

I have Tiger on my iBook so it's still a viable system.  I have Linux
on my Thinkpads.

Good luck.

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Re: quicksilver 933 fried by power loss

[lana]

 I am a newbie . What description should I be looking for  the power 
supply. I see some on ebay but the descriptions are confusing and I'd rather 
not buy the wrong one.
I have a guy who will do cheap labor for me on fixing computers if I buy the 
parts.  




From: Bruce Johnson 
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Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 11:23:06 AM
Subject: Re: quicksilver 933 fried by power loss


On May 12, 2010, at 7:13 PM, ll wrote:

> We  lost power yesterday. My quicksilver has been on a really
> good surge protector for two years. It wasn't enough this time
> however. If I push the on button,a light shows,flickers and dies. The
> machine never turns on. I am assuming my hardrive is fried.

Nope. This is a power supply issue, and seems to be pretty common with 
Quicksilvers. A new replacement ps is about $230 or so, we replaced on in a 
professors system not too long ago. 

You could try to find another QS or later Mac and drop your hdd into it; more 
than likely your drive (and the rest of the system) is just fine, or look for a 
replacement PS on fleabay or such.



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Re: quicksilver 933 fried by power loss

[lana]

 I'm a bit of a newbie. Is power supply a mother board?




From: Nikki Wraith 
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Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 10:18:53 PM
Subject: Re: quicksilver 933 fried by power loss

More likely to be the power supply. Other parts may be affected, but the PS is 
the mostly dead part.

Mikeal Palulis
Kallisti Medias

On May 12, 2010, at 10:17 PM, ll  wrote:

> I meant that it had 1.3  gig ram.
> 
> On May 12, 9:13 pm, ll  wrote:
>>  We  lost power yesterday. My quicksilver has been on a really
>> good surge protector for two years. It wasn't enough this time
>> however. If I push the on button,a light shows,flickers and dies. The
>> machine never turns on. I am assuming my hardrive is fried.Am I right
>> in assuming that I would have to replace the harddrive  and re-install
>> the os? The problem is thta It had Leopard on it. The cost of the new
>> harddrive ,paying someone to install it and buying Leopard would be
>> more than the $65 I oroginally paid for the computer.
>>  The question is ,am I right in having to relace the harddrive? It
>> might be worth it if that is all that is necessary.It is a 1 gig
>> computer and has a 933 processor.Would I have to do more?
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Re: what can i do with my old G5?

[lana]

 I am a newbie myself but have a question. What specifically do you want to 
do with this G5, email,internet,graphic art,operate your ipod,write 
letters,store documents? I have  a G4 that does all kinds of things. I would 
imagine a G5 would do more. You might be able to install leopard ppc. My G4 has 
that and is a lesser machne.
 How much ram? How big is your hard drive?To find out,click on the apple 
icon in the left hand corner of the screen. What kind of processor do you 
have?Then click on "'about this mac". ram is memory.
 I had a friend who said her g5 was too loud but somehow she got that fixed.
 Another way of exploring the G5 is to click on system preferences to see 
what is there.





From: Amanda Ward 
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Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 7:16:03 AM
Subject: Re: what can i do with my old G5?

On 5/10/10 10:08 PM, "GT"  wrote:

> hey all!
> this is my first post as i am new here.
> basically this is what's up, i have a G5 that i use ocasionally
> (mostly just my nephew uses to watch youtube).
> my main computer is a macbook, but i would like get some kind of use
> out of the G5. I haven't done anything with it in a while, i once
> tried to install tiger (running panther right now) but i could't, it
> gave me some message about it not being able to install Mail. that was
> my last attempt of doing anything with it.
> one thing i have noticed looking into this topic, that i have
> experienced is the comp. not turning on but the fans go full blast. i
> just push the power botton till its stops i guess you all have
> figured out by now that i am no computer wizz!
> hahahahaha
> well any help or suggestions would be appreciated! thanks in advance!

I have an iMac G5 that, mostly, crunches s...@home work-units and serves as
as a media center. 

Amanda


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Re: I have an idea...

[lana]

A few questions from a newbie-Are you saying I could run Snow Leopard on my 
Quicksilver 933 which runs Snow now,if I had your os?It sounds as if it is a 
good idea if Apple doesn't shut you down.

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, Dennis Myhand  wrote:


From: Dennis Myhand 
Subject: Re: I have an idea...
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Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 2:43 AM


Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
> I perfectly understand that Snow Leopard is not supported at all under the 
> PowerPC architecture, but what if i modified the code in the system? I do see 
> a way that I can take the code from Leopard and put it in snow leopard. Then 
> integrate Rosetta into the system to run the intel programs. It's a longshot, 
> but it just might work. Would that be illegal?
> 

I think what you are thinking of doing is a LOT more work than you ever dreamed 
it would be.  Are you a coder?  Do you have a cross-platform compiler?  Though 
not absolutely necessary, the source development kits (SDKs) would be nice to 
have.  And, if any of the software you are talking about is copyrighted, yes, 
it is very illegal.  Sorry to be the prick that bursts the bubble, but every 
brilliant ideal faces the possibility of being dashed on the cold, hard, 
jagged, rocks of reality.  Peace, Dennis in Victoria

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[lana]

 Speaking as a retired person,the cost of an ipad is more than that of a 
basic mac mini,a computer. If what you say it doesn't do ,is true,my nieces and 
nephews for whom this was created will buy it because it's new but not be 
totally happy with it. There will be new models soon to adjust for what they 
want. Remember the history of the first ipad.

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From: Mark Sokolovsky 
Subject: So what do you think about the iPad?
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Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 12:02 AM


Guys and gals, I just want to survey some of you who respond to me by replying 
to me. Tell me, what do you think about the iPad? I am curious about your 
opinions, because i really want to get some rumors that run about my head out 
of the way. 


Personally, the iPad is great in all, but I would much rather have Mac OS X 
Snow leopard on it. I would also consider having built-in bluetooth so i can 
connect to wireless printers, and also i would suggest firewire ports, USB 
ports, a mini-VGA port, a DVI port, and a smart card reader hidden behind a 
removable cover.
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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[lana]

 I checked it out at the crowded Apple store. I am a 63 year old woman. My 
mind is better than ever but I have moderate  arthritis in my hands and 
glasses. I'll leave this ipad for others to buy. I am also retired and the 
price is too high.

--- On Mon, 4/19/10, Bequette Jeff  wrote:


From: Bequette Jeff 
Subject: Re: So what do you think about the iPad?
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Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 7:03 AM


I think it is perfect for my semi-luddite wife whose idea of using a computer 
is that it should adapt to her- her preferred location in the living room, not 
seated in front of a computer..  


On Apr 18, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

Guys and gals, I just want to survey some of you who respond to me by replying 
to me. 





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Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?

[lana]

Any browser has it's strengths and weaknesses.Fire fox is ok if you tweak it 
enough. I've never tried Camino .Thank you for everyone who responded. 

--- On Sat, 4/17/10, John Carmonne  wrote:

From: John Carmonne 
Subject: Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 2:15 PM


On Apr 17, 2010, at 11:06 AM, lana wrote:

>      I checked display in my system preferences. There was an automatic 
>change by the os and I then couldn't see all of Safari. I fiddled with it a 
>little more and then downloaded Firefox which displays beautifully in wide 
>screen..Firefox is ok.
> 


Just switch to Camino and be done with it Safari and Firefox suck. but that's 
just me.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?

[lana]

 I did that again. This time it  still didn't display all of Safari at one 
glance but let me scroll to the parts I couldn't see.It wouldn't let me do that 
before. Now I have both Firefox and Safari but they both have their strengths.

--- On Sat, 4/17/10, Al boone  wrote:

From: Al boone 
Subject: Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:21 PM

on my wide screen all I do is hit the enlargement button again and it expands 
to fill my screen without any problems. Have you tried going to the preferances 
panel and choosing display then calibrating your new screen? Perhaps even 
trying out the different screen sizes will  work. You should be able to get a 
full wide screen.


On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:16 PM, lana  wrote:

     The window didn't drag to the left. The third time I reopened 
Safari,safari expanded to 3/4 of the screen. I guess that will do. 


--- On Sat, 4/17/10, Mark Sokolovsky  wrote:


From: Mark Sokolovsky 
Subject: Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?
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Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 8:50 AM

Try this. Drag the window to the left until the left side of the window touches 
the left border of the screen. Then, look at the bottom right corner of the 
window, and you will see a small tab. press and hold on it using the let button 
on your mouse, and then drag it to resize it. That should
 resize the window to full screen based on your preference.



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Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?

[lana]

 I checked display in my system preferences. There was an automatic change 
by the os and I then couldn't see all of Safari. I fiddled with it a little 
more and then downloaded Firefox which displays beautifully in wide 
screen..Firefox is ok.

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From: Richard Gerome 
Subject: Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?
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Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 10:20 PM

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   Are there any controls (buttons to adjust and center it etc etc etc) on the 
monitor???  This might be your problem???




-Original Message-

From: lana 

Sent: Apr 16, 2010 6:52 PM

To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?



It only goes 2/3 of the way across the screen when I hit full screen.Since the 
monitor is a wide screen,I thought that was the reason.

--- On Fri, 4/16/10, Kasey Smith  wrote:


From: Kasey Smith 
Subject: Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 12:50 PM


On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:30:03 -0500, ll  wrote:

>      I just replaced the 19 inch lcd monitor I used for my windows
> with a 25 incher. I switched the 19 inch monitor to my Quicksilver 933
> with Leopard. Safari won't display in a full screen for me but I'm
> sure the fix must be simple. What is it? I've checked preferences and
> display.
> 

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Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?

[lana]

     The window didn't drag to the left. The third time I reopened 
Safari,safari expanded to 3/4 of the screen. I guess that will do. 

--- On Sat, 4/17/10, Mark Sokolovsky  wrote:

From: Mark Sokolovsky 
Subject: Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 8:50 AM

Try this. Drag the window to the left until the left side of the window touches 
the left border of the screen. Then, look at the bottom right corner of the 
window, and you will see a small tab. press and hold on it using the let button 
on your mouse, and then drag it to resize it. That should resize the window to 
full screen based on your preference.



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Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?

[lana]

It only goes 2/3 of the way across the screen when I hit full screen.Since the 
monitor is a wide screen,I thought that was the reason.

--- On Fri, 4/16/10, Kasey Smith  wrote:


From: Kasey Smith 
Subject: Re: How do I get Safari to display in wide screen?
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 12:50 PM


On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:30:03 -0500, ll  wrote:

>      I just replaced the 19 inch lcd monitor I used for my windows
> with a 25 incher. I switched the 19 inch monitor to my Quicksilver 933
> with Leopard. Safari won't display in a full screen for me but I'm
> sure the fix must be simple. What is it? I've checked preferences and
> display.
> 

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Lana]

Please take me off this list.
- Original Message - 
From: "Steve R" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Top Posting (read up)


>
> Please, sir, where does Dan Knight, List Mom, on his updated
> 2008.02.15 webpage, continue to insist that bottom posting is the
> only way to post? See content of that page below the link you posted.
>
> Kyle, I wish you no ill -- perhaps it was when you resigned from
> being List Nanny that Dan Knight, List Mom, posted to all lists
> saying that the 'banned for top posting' rule was no longer being
> enforced because Apple Mail even had its default for top posting.
> Just in the past week, someone reposted Dan Knight's email complete
> with headers to verify validity of the email. Dan Knight's email said
> bottom posting was preferred however it was up to the individual
> poster to determine how best to reply.
>
> Surely, Dan Knight's email can be found in the archive.
>
> Steve R
>
> At 10:54 PM -0700 6/12/09, Kyle Hansen posted:
>
>>  http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
>>
>
> Netiquette for Email Lists
> updated 2008.02.15
>
>
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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

[Lana]

  I hate to stir up a tempest but another way Apple upsets people is 
price control and high prices. I am retired. I recently wanted to buy a new 
computer and very badly wanted a new Apple. I couldn't afford the one I 
wanted and the one I could,a Mac mini,offered much less in technology and 
price. I didn't want  buy  a used or refurbished computer. I couldn't find 
any End Of Life's in my area.For $599,I bought a Dell desktop,4 gig ram,5oo 
gig hard drive,intel core duo with Windows Home  Vista Premium ,64 bit.It 
came with new speakers,keyboard,mouse,printer and 19 inch monitor.Admittedly 
the monitor,mouse,keyboard and printer might have been last year's model but 
they all work with 64 bit.When you have been waiting 10 years to buy a new 
computer and are retired,a good deal has to be part of the decision. Apple 
has to work on this area.
 I am now looking for a G5  desktop with Leopard at a local computer 
show at Gibralter Trade Center or on Craig's List.I still want another Apple 
with Leopard on it but will have to wait. I prefer Apple. Apples prices are 
no higher than Windows in somethings but the price controls make the 
difference.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: It is official, we are orphans.


>
> At 3:19 PM -0400 6/8/2009, John Musbach wrote:
>>On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Stephen Weber 
>>wrote:
>>>  Apple does really know how to make people upset, obviously you wonder 
>>> why
>>>  real businesses don't use Macs.  It's because Apple does stuff like 
>>> this.  I
>>>  mean look at Microsoft and how they keep supporting older hardware.
>>
>>But you also gotta realize that unlike Microsoft, Apple's source code
>>is not bloated with backwards compatibility hacks like Windows is.
>
> Sure it is.  They just go on a rip-it-out frenzy per orders from Above.
>
> This isn't about technological feasability.  This is about MARKETING.
>
> There is a point where THINK DIFFERENT runs amok.
>
> - Dan.
> -- 
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>
> > 


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Re: Mail, Eudora T-bird

[lana]

 Does Eudora have any extra stationeries?How safe is it?





From: Dan 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:16:20 PM
Subject: Re: Mail, Eudora T-bird


At 6:57 PM -0600 5/5/2009, Nesta wrote:
>Can I get some opinions here please. I'm making a move and would like
>to know what others use and why.

I use Eudora because reliably handles all my accounts and filters, 
and does everything faster than any other mail client I've tried.

For new users, I often recommend Apple Mail.  It works well for most 
folx, and is well supported by Apple.

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Re: Death of an iMate

[lana]

 There is nothing deader than a dead Mac. I should know. I started with 
vintage  and older Macs that would work one day and be dead the next morning.I 
tried all kinds of rescues at the suggestions of some of these people in this 
group to avail.I finally decided,for my skill level,to get no earlier than a G3 
desktop.I now have a G3,G4 and am about to get a new Mac Mini.There is 
something sad about a dead Mac. You almost feel you should bury it.
 I have been told the tube died or current electrical power was too 
strong.I have also been told there wasn't enough memory. In the end no one 
really seems to know.if I were more experienced and had more money I would 
resurrect them.

--- On Mon, 5/4/09, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
From: Bruce Johnson 
Subject: Re: Death of an iMate
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:23 AM


On May 2, 2009, at 6:27 PM, James Fraser wrote:

> Since the iMate I was using seems to have bit the dust, I find myself
> wondering if a) a user can do something to kill one and b) if these
> units have a finite lifespan.  Of course, this assumes that there are
> some folks on the list who are still using ADB devices with their G3-5
> machines (there are, aren't there?)
>
> Somehow, I can't, for the life of me, imagine one of these units ever
> wearing out or blowing up.  Can someone please tell me what painfully
> obvious failure point I'm overlooking here?

This is a non-trivial physical device in the physical world and all of  
those will break, eventually. Even solid state electronics have a  
finite lifespan, even if we have no idea when they're going to die.  
The Law of Thermodynamics is a harsh mistress, and she always gets her  
way.

As to what caused it? Some flaw in the material or design eventually  
gave way under the right circumstances and shorted something out or  
broke, so your signals no longer flow. This isn't just a bunch of  
wires, there is actual signal conversion circuitry in there that can  
fry eventually. There are wires that can corrode and break over time.  
Hope you can find another one, or replace that ADB device with a USB  
one.

-- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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Re: the pictures I upload show on my desktop.

[lana]

thanks.

--- On Wed, 4/29/09, Bequette Jeff  wrote:
From: Bequette Jeff 
Subject: Re: the pictures I upload show on my desktop.
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 10:28 PM


On Apr 29, 2009, at 8:54 PM, ll wrote:

>
> I would like to have them added to desktop or screen saver and be
> switched randomly or added to my screen saver. How to I do that?I'm
> sure there is a simple solution. I have a g4 with 10.4.

System prefs, desktop and screen saver, choose whatever  folder you  
have the pic's in, or the iphoto album.  should let you set the  
rotation time
>

Bequette Jeff
jbeque...@tconl.com






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Re: end of life Apple computers

[lana]

 I'd like to thank everyone who responded so quickly. I havea lot of 
research to do.

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dale Hoffman  wrote:
From: Dale Hoffman 
Subject: Re: end of life Apple computers
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 1:12 PM

I've bought a couple of computers from Mac of All Trades:

http://www.macofalltrades.com/

They currently have a coupld of iMac Intel 20" modesl for under $700.

Good luck,
Dale Hoffman



On Apr 3, 2009, at 12:34 PM, ll wrote:

>
> I have a G3 and G4 Apple desktop. My birthday is approaching and
> I would like to buy a newer apple computer. I have enquired about end
> of life desktops at Apple stores and am told they don't have any. Is
> this just a stock answer so you will buy a newer one? Where can I find
> an end of life computer?
> The new Mac Mini is promising but I would prefer the 20 inch Imac if
> possible. I am retired and so is my husband. I do not have unlimited
> funds.I also prefer to see the computer up close before I purchase
> it.I don't really trust computers sent through the mail.
> 

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Re: Steve Jobs Oh My

[lana]

 I should preface this by saying that most women think differently than 
some men.They have to to ride the waves of day to day life.
  I am very fond of Apple computers as I have just discovered them. I 
hope they survive. I don't know if Mr Jobs has noticed but the younger 
generation has been doing computers since they were tots and are quite good. 
The best computer person I ever met had been using computers since he was four 
and started building them at 12. He was 17 when I met him and earning as much 
as me,an adult, at a part time job fixing computers. He was a trouble shooter 
for Gateway. He was going to college in the fall. 
 For his own sanity Mr Jobs has to realize that we are all dispensable. The 
next morning after he quits,someone will be doing his job.  It may take them a 
while to be as good as he is as experience does matter but we are all 
dispensable. If we are lucky we have balanced our job and home life to ease the 
transition from work to retirement. I hope Mr Jobs '  health improves so he can 
stay on. He is obviously not ready to retire.


--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Kyle Parish  wrote:

> From: Kyle Parish 
> Subject: Re: Steve Jobs Oh My
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 4:21 AM
> I agree that Apple will most likely succeed when Jobs is
> gone and that
> Apple is 10,000 people.  However: in 94-97 (Or whenever he
> was not
> ther), Apple lost focus on who it was and was in serious
> trouble (from
> Jobs himself), which is what is striking fear into a lot of
> people
> about Jobs leaving now.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Stephen Conrad
>  wrote:
> >
> > Part of the problem is that way too many people
> associate everything
> > about Apple (from Day 1 of the company) with Steve
> Jobs. They don't
> > give credit to others who have been part of all that
> is Apple,
> > preferring to think its all coming from the mind of
> Steve Jobs.
> > Who invented the various iPods? In the eyes of  the
> masses Steve Jobs did.
> > iMac? Again, they feel it was Steve Jobs
> > iBook? Why, Steve Jobs of course!
> > MacBook/MacBook Pro? Steve Jobs did!
> > iPhone? That was Steve Jobs again!
> > I know of people who, when I say Steve Wozniak (of
> even just Woz) when
> > referring to my older Apples (][e's and a //c) say
> "Who?" and its only
> > when I say he and Steve Jobs started Apple that they
> know what I am
> > talking about. They admit that they only associate
> Steve Jobs with
> > Apple because thats all we hear about these days.
> > The news the other night mentioned he was a founder of
> Apple Computer
> > and the photo they showed was not the familiar one of
> him and Woz with
> > the original Apple but one of just Steve Jobs with an
> early computer.
> > This will just further the belief for some people that
> Steve Jobs =
> > Apple
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Jonas Lopez
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> You are exactly right - it is the same problem the
> wonderful beach band known as the "Beach Boys" has
> had by failing to allow new, younger members to gradually
> overtake the band, replacing the older members and
> continuing with the band; sure the sound will change a
> little, but by and large, it will live on, just as Apple
> will change a little with new leadership. We hope, with new
> leadership, they will stop shooting their foot over and over
> again, but that will be told in time.
> >>
> >> It is timely that number 44 is about to lead us,
> thank God we move on to new leadership and survive; change
> is good!
> >>
> >> JML
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Kyle Parish
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Kyle Parish
> 
> >>> Subject: Re: Steve Jobs Oh My
> >>> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:46 AM
> >>> This may be good fortune for Apple.  Hear me
> out before you
> >>> want to
> >>> lynch-mob me. This situation actually may help
> Apple out by
> >>> giving
> >>> another person the chance to step up and
> become recognized
> >>> before Jobs
> >>> does retire. This probably will get Apple
> consumers and
> >>> investors used
> >>> to the Idea of another CEO before Jobs
> suddenly retires.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Wallace
> Adrian
> >>> D'Alessio
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Anne
> Keller-Smith
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I hope he gets better soon, such a
> unique
> >>> individual.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Just needed to vent. I also have some
> Apple stock
> >>> - groan.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>>
> __
> >>> >
> >>> > Perhaps of interest;
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> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=11498&tag=nl.e539
> >>> >
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> > --
> > Steve Conrad
> > Henrietta, MO 64036
> >
> > "The time has come for mankind to grow up and
> leave its cradle behind;
> > to go forth and claim our place in outer space."
> >

Re: My Power G3 b...@w is in panic mode.-new to Apple

[Lana Litwin]

Thanks for replying. I amy try getting 9 on again in a while but now I  
am just happy to have 10.3.9 installed. I'll save your email.
On Dec 3, 2008, at 3:48 PM, xenonart wrote:

>
> Many things are already said,
> but if you want to, take a look at this discussion
>   
> http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/ 
> c5b393fa5a209f1e/
> a few weeks before, I wrote my experiences with dual-booting OS 9.x
> and OS X. The only way which works without further problems for me and
> other posters was to install OS 9.x on a clean partition - then use
> XPostfacto to install OSX (YES, i know that XPostfacto theoretically
> isn''t necessary on the B/W) - after completing OSX installation all
> the XPF extensions can be deleted - but changing the Startup Disk
> changing has to be done over XPF to avoid all the problems mentioned
> in the discussion above.
>
> I hope, this will help you,
> Greets xenonart
>
> (maybey you also speak German, then explaining the procedure in detail
> would be much easier for me if you have any further questions)
>
> On 2 Dez., 18:05, mlitwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>      My G3 had 9.0 on it when I got it. I did gradual upgrades on it  
>> up to 10.3. To install os x I had to erase 9 . When I got a G4 I  
>> decided to try getting 9 back on the G3. To get 9 back I had to erase  
>>  
>> 10. 9 was installed successfully. Then I made the mistake of trying  
>> to install  10 again without installing 9.1. Now "we are hanging" due  
>>  
>> to unresolved data.
>>       My ultimate goal is to have classic and X on the machine. My  
>> immediate goal is to erase the drive and start all over or just  
>> delete the partially installed X.
>>   I have cds for 9,9.1,9.2 ,10,10.03,10.1 ,10.2 and 10.3.
>>       I have tried pushing the buttons to reset with no results.
>> Any suggestions?
> >


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Re: My Power G3 b...@w is in panic mode.-new to Apple

[Lana Litwin]

It wasn't easy. I had to push restart and quickly place my fingers on 
three keys simultaneously. Luckily I have long fingers.
On Dec 3, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Dec 3, 2008, at 4:17 PM, mlitwin wrote:
>
>>
>>  My computer is now out of panic mode. The article I read did
>> not tell me to push c if I wanted to install  by cd. It said push h
>> to reset pram if I got that  panic error.
>
> That was a bad, bad article. pressing 'h' does nothing; to rest the
> pram you must boot while simultaneously holding down the command-
> option-p-r keys, which always required me to use a pencil in my mouth
> to either press the power switch or hold down the 'p' key ;-)
>
> -- 
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
>
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>
>
>
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