Re: So what do you think about the iPad?
I certainly wouldn't buy one without a usb port, and I don't think I'd buy anything with a store lock-in either. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On the subject of security, how likely do you think it is that someone will bother to take the time to write malware to attack G3's and G4's running Tiger? It's hard to believe that someone would pay the big bucks for a new mac laptop, wipe the HD, and install Ubuntu! Buying a new PC laptop, dumping windows, and installing some version of linux, yes. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
I've got one of those dual 1.42 G4's, with the maximum memory as well. It's a very nice, fast computer. I was somewhat put off by some reliability reports on the G5, and they were over my price range as well. The big issue for you is if you really need a laptop. If you don't, a desktop will get you a lot more performance at a lot lower price. But if you must haul it to school, the coffee shop, or the library then that's your decision. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Wayne E wlka...@gmail.com wrote: My choice is a Mac MDD G4 800 in a dual 1.42Gz and it is great. I got it on ebay for only $255 plus shipping. Also bought an Airport Extreme card for it on ebay. I use a 21.6 LCD Samsung monitor I got from an online source at a discount. I also have a 15.2 Mac Titanium G4 laptop that is great for travel. I have been a Mac nut since they first introduced the Mac in 1984. I also have a Dell 9200 tower with a 22 Dell LCD monitor that my wife wanted and a Dell 15 laptop for her. I am an inventor and spend many hours every day on the computer while listening to my stereo in my office at home. Wayne E On Jan 3, 2:18 am, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: That iMac sounds like a great deal! Hope you enjoy. -JonasOn Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:39 PM, kimtoufectis kimtoufec...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 1, 11:59 pm, kimtoufectis kimtoufec...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like help in choosing an older Mac... Wow. What a day and a posting can teach...your responses were exactly what I needed. You made me recognize many things, including: (1) A tower model will often outperform a laptop or an all-in-one desktop model, or said the other way the same money will buy more tower compared with these other choices; (2) While there are many fans of the G processors (me and my clamshell iBook G3 included), Apple has moved on those who write software are increasingly doing likewise; (3) Linux can extend a useful Mac lifespan for those technically oriented and willing to get some of the computational equivalent of axle grease under our fingers. At the end of this day I am clearer about what elegant low-cost sustainable computing means for me: (1) Elegant: compact, ideally with only a power cord leading away from my glass tabletop (thus wifi); (2) Low cost: usable without further expense for a great while, perhaps for the life of the computer; (3) Sustainable: maximizing the time I can keep up with software (mainly browser) advances and security fixes. I want to thank the impressive number of you who responded to my query, from here's my quick opinion to item-by-item responses. It was great to get several recommendations for additional places online to go for information, support, and purchase. So what to do? Since virtually all my computer usage is web browsing, future-proofing means staying as close to the current standards. An all-in-one with wifi seems to fit my elegant standard best. I was pleased to find a 20 (early '06) polycarbonate 2.0GHz Intel iMac seems a good craigslist deal at $575 in good shape, running OS X 10.6. [17 and 10.5 would have served; this was what was available locally.] I offered the full price (over my $500 plan, but avoiding shipping softens that); hopefully it is still available and lives up to its billing... Gratefully-- --Kim -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Dual Boot Question
I wonder if yaboot http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/ or grub would do what you want? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MDD Dual Boot Question
Here's the manual for yaboot. http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/index.en.shtml#contents On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Paul Kemner zkem...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if yaboot http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/ or grub would do what you want? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
Keyboard and mouse are probably the slowest. A printer is also pretty slow, but a faster transfer will speed things up if it has a memory buffer and you're printing multi-page documents and/or graphics. Midi would be faster. If you've got a usb drive you will want data transfers as fast as possible. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Was there a main computer in 'Silent Running' ?
There were actually paraplegics inside them, no remote controls. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Was there a main computer in 'Silent Running' ?
I remember him pouring over a manual, I think to program the bots to work on his leg. Didn't he also do something so they could act independently? I also seem to remember a computer that handled navigation and the engines that he used to head for Saturn. Nothing with a personality, though. There are card models of the three little guyshttp://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/%7Esf-papercraft/Gallery/Silent/Silent.htmlavailable online, as well as the stacking cargo containers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Linux on PPC- which distro? ... and G3 project.
I had not heard of Classilla. I used iCab before I upgraded the G3, but nagware wouldn't be appropriate for kids. Is there a big collection of kids games and edu-games similar to gCompris? Or does one need to troll shareware/freeware sites? Classilla could use a a listing on wikipedia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Linux on PPC- which distro? ... and G3 project.
Ubuntu (and I would guess Edubuntu) aren't very slim, and I'd expect they'd gobble a lot of resources on an older computer. We've used Xubuntu on some older pcs, but still... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC? (Sorry, VERY long post)
Distro-hopping is probably the biggest reason people spend a lot of time working on their computer with linux. There are new distros coming out every week, and if you have a fast internet connection it's easy to download the ones that sound appealing and burn a live cd. If you decide to install it, then you spend time setting everything up the way you want it. You'd only do that once every few years with Windows or OS X. The number of specialty distros is getting crazy. I'm waiting for one geared to ophicleide and serpent players, but when it comes out it will probably be for left-handed green-eyed ophicleide and serpent players! everything just works, hunh? Here's a challenge for you: Get a handspring visor pda, and get it to sync with OS X Tiger. Go ahead, I double dog dare you. (then tell me everything you did in detail that you did so I can reproduce it) I've just had it with commercial software. I'm making 1/10 the dough I was in pre-crash days, so I can't just go out and plunk down more money to keep software I've already bought. As an example from the PC side- I had spent serious money buying Finale and Gigastudio- two music applications that I could use to type in musical accompaniments and play them with samples of 17th-century harpsichords and organs and 18th-century fortepiano. Two years later, my antivirus program said I had to upgrade to XP, and all the music software croaked. I could have spent several hundred dollars to upgrade to the newest version, but how long would it be before it happened again? I like the old mac hardware ( 450 DV iMac and dual 1.42 MDD G4 ) and Tiger, but I'm not running ANY commercial applications on any computer I own. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Linux on PPC- which distro? ... and G3 project.
For the people who are using linux on a PPC computer, which distro do you use? Yellowdog? Fedora? What? Why? Any experience with Crux-PPC http://www.cruxppc.org/ ?? Here's why: I'm involved with a nonprofit that takes donations of (mostly pc) computers, refurbishes them, and gives them to people who can't afford one, and to nonprofits. Mostly we get PC's, wipe the drives and install some version of linux. But... Sometimes we get old G3 iMacs. Sometimes the HD is gone, but we've got spare drives sitting around. I'm not sure of the legality of installing OS X or 9 willy-nilly on these boxes, and some of them are a bit problematical for general-use due to a lack of a modern browser. With some pc's, we install Quimo http://www.qimo4kids.com/ , an operating system designed for kids to use. I'd like to come up with a good kids system for the G3, and CruxPPC sounds like it's still active and lightweight. The gComprishttp://gcompris.net/-en-games would be a good starting point. Is there anyone around that can help? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
One solution to that, if you have access to a later iMac with a DVD drive is to put the disk in that computer and install 10.4, then put the drive back in your older G4. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.netwrote: A question for the List Mavens, I have an iMac at one of my schools. It is an early model and does not have a DVD drive. I have 10.3.9 installed and want to upgrade to 10.4x. I have Apple's 10.4 update disc, but it is a DVD. Is there another way to upgrade my iMacor must I purchase a DVD drive? Thanks, Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
older G3 I meant. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migrating from Eudora ?
Has anyone tried MailForge? It was supposed to work like Eudora, but I haven't seen anything about it lately. Is it working? We've tried Evolution, but don't like it too much. We didn't like Tbird either, but that was a year or more ago. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Listers take Notice ==Important notice: GeoCities is closing
I wonder if you will be able to access old geocities sites with the internet wayback machine? Internet Archive http://www.archive.org/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Photo App. suggestion
Gimp on OS X http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Overview.html is worth a try. And it's free. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB Need
If you have Big Lots stores in your area, they usually have various usb items cheap. I remember seeing one that included a pile of different adapters, and it didn't come with software. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 Triple boot question
I recently got a G4 Dual 1.42, with Tiger on the 80g drive.I'd like to install Yellow Dog Linux, and possibly Leopard on a 2nd 80g drive, so I'd be setting up 2 or possibly 3 partitions on this 2nd drive. Any thoughts on which OS to install first, and which should be in the first partition on the extra drive? At some point in the future, I might decide to replace YDL with another distro, and it's also possible that I might dump Leopard later if I decide I don't need it. I noticed that YDL suggests that it be on the master drive, with Tiger on the slave, so the boot loader will run correctly. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The powerpc now and in the future....
Yellowdog linux is up to 6.1 and supports G4 G5. They seem to be heavily involved with the game console market as well. I haven't tried it yet, but I will as soon as my 2nd hard drive arrives. I use kubuntu on an old PC, so I'm somewhat used to linux. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Dual Monitor - spanning behavior
HiI recently got a g4 FW800. I'm currently using a VGA monitor on the DVI port, and I'm thinking of getting a 17 Studio LCD to plug into the ADC port. I'm planning on using the LCD monitor alone most of the time, but using the VGA monitor in spanning mode occasionally for graphics/drafting. If I do this, I will probably have the VGA monitor on a KVM switch, and the VGA will also be connected to a linux PC (I just won't bother to plug the keyboard into the switch). My question: If the VGA monitor is switched off (and it would probably look like it's unplugged due to the KVM switch), will my G4 boot in single screen mode, or will I just see half my desktop? Will I have to change the configuration every time I switch from one to two monitors? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual Monitor - spanning behavior
Cool! Thanks for the info! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
