Re: Which G?

[Peter Kim]

I've used the lampshade iMac G4 a good amount at the office, and I like it.
 It fits neatly on a desk- small footprint, no clutter (except for the
external speakers).  I would get one, but most don't have usb 2 for faster
loading of pictures from my camera.  I don't think that you'll notice too
much difference between 10.4 or 10.5 for a few years, but for 10.5 you need
a G4 that runs at 867mhz or faster.  My tiBook G4/867 runs 10.5 okay, though
it triggers the fans fairly often.  I don't know if it was youtube or the
move to 10.5, but after installing 10.5, my tiBook had more hiccups when
viewing youtube videos.

However, for $500, you are in used intel Mini land, which would be my choice
for many more years of light use.  A G4 mini should work fine for you.


On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:59 PM, kimtoufectis wrote:

> I'd like help in choosing an older Mac.  I entered Macdom six months
> ago via an original blueberry clamshell iBook G3.  Beyond an iconic
> product design, I've appreciated the simplicity and reliability of
> freedom from Micro$oft (I use a PC at work).  I've enjoyed stretching
> it about as far as a 300 MHz processor can go (maxed out RAM and
> upgraded to OS X 10.2.8) but I'd like to be able to streaming low-fi
> video and use current web browser features; seems like time for
> something more.
>
> A bit about my computer usage:  I am fairly non-tech; when my work
> Wintel machine fails an expert comes to fix it.  At home I'm on my
> own; I like simple.  My iBook serves mainly as a netbook: I use Gmail,
> Google Docs, and Google Reader for productivity and news, and Pandora,
> GrooveShark, LaLa, and Playlist to stream music.  I don't make much
> use of social media, and real-time isn't a trend I have not had much
> interest in or need for (so far).  I've tried Chrome with extensions
> on a Windows machine and think it could meet virtually all my routine
> computing needs. I even contemplate getting a netbook and migrating it
> to ChromeOS as a next step (maybe using JoliCloud and EyeOS until
> that's easy to do).
>
> Searching online showed me that for the $250-500 cost of a netbook I
> could step well forward in power with a used iMac (functioning
> MacBooks seem out of that pricerange).  The architect in me
> appreciates the compact, elegant designs of both the G4 and G5 iMacs,
> and depending on age and screen size I find both in a tolerable
> $250-500 price range.  Whatever I buy, I'd like to use it for a long,
> long time (this iBook turned 10 recently, and as a complement to a
> more capable desktop I want to continue to use it for light browsing
> for more years).
>
> With that as background:
>
> (1) What should I expect as the performance delta between the G4 and
> G5 in light usage, and does it justify the extra cost?  Is the G4
> advanced enough to serve me for several years, or will I soon need to
> step up again soon to keep up with internet trends?
>
> (2) I find OS X 10.4 on most G4s and 10.5 on more G5s; any guidance on
> which OS is most useable with each processor?
>
> (3) I'll need wifi but it isn't always installed; is it hard for a non-
> technical end user to install?  Is a USB wifi router worth considering
> instead?
>
> (4) Given that I'm mostly okay with the 12 inch iBook screen, a 17
> inch screen seems adequate; any great reason to go larger?
>
> (5) Wikipedia tells me there's variation in processor speed and
> features even within the G4 and G5 lines; faster and newer generally
> cost more.  How important are the upgrades (700 v. 800 v. 1250  v.
> 1600 v 1800 v 2000 MHz?  webcam?  ambient light sensor?  iSight?) and
> are they significant in choosing a machine I can use for the next
> several years?
>
> (6) Are there other Macs I should consider, (I don't want a CRT eMac,
> but maybe a Mini?) and if so why?
>
> I'm eager for your feedback--
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Re: ibook G3 which linux?

[Peter Kim]

You should be able to download Yellow Dog fairly easily, which is based on
Red Hat.  Unfortunately, Yellow Dog dropped mac development a few years ago
to focus on Cell processors.  I played with their latest on an old iMac, and
it seemed decent then.  Otherwise, OS X.3 would work well.


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:53 PM, deftone_75  wrote:

> I recently bought an ibook G3 clamshell 300, 576ram, 6 gb hard drive.
> I want to experiment with linux on this machine but not sure which
> version and where to get it. Any help would be great.
>
> Jason
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Re: iMac G5 2GHZ Graphics Problem

[Peter Kim]

A good way to test the screen and graphics card- connect an external
monitor.  If the image is corrupt on the external, the video card has a
problem, otherwise, it's the screen.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

> Hi all, someone gave me this iMac the other day, and it has the dreaded
> graphics issue: Anything of a light color on the screen is distorted and has
> small lines and distorted pixels. (see picture) I've determined this is not
> a screen problem because I took a screen shot and opened it on another
> machine and saw the problem still. Here is what I've tried:
>
> Zapped pram
> Reset nvram
> Reset SMU
> Reinstalled the OS
> Cleaned inside and re seated all the cables.
> Checked capacitors, there is NO swelling or leaking
>
> Is there something I can try to fix the graphics chip? What exactly is the
> problem? Thanks in advanced!
>
> P.S It is the 2nd generation imac 20" with a 2.0GHZ G5 Processor.
>
> -Jonas
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Re: Need info

[Peter Kim]

I have used Skype to call South America and Asia successfully, as well as
within the USA. Skype can be pretty demanding on a home network- I often saw
consumer level wireless routers slow to a crawl when one person logged onto
Skype. Many new routers have the ability to prioritize and better handle
voip packets, but be prepared to pay for better performance, especially with
video.

On Feb 12, 2010 8:16 PM, "Kris Tilford"  wrote:

On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:17 PM, John Callahan wrote:

 Yes. It (Skype) works fine on Mac.
>

I don't know about "fine". I've been attempting to talk with a friend who's
visiting the Middle East, and it was a very poor connection. I then called
my brother who was in Austin, Texas (I'm in Kansas), and it was equally
poor, and even dropped the connection. I think perhaps iChatAV is a better
choice for Mac-to-Mac? I believe there are other VOIP programs that are
compatible with Skype, so perhaps Skype isn't the best choice, I don't know?
>From my minimal experience I wouldn't use the words "works fine" for Skype.

Also, I was trying to troubleshoot a webcam and tried using Skype to test
the function. I placed a call from one Mac in my home to another Mac in my
home, and to my astonishment the video was perhaps twenty or thirty seconds
delayed. I've heard of latency, but this was insane. I had the computers in
different rooms and it was like a time machine, I could walk into the other
room and see the video of what happened half a minute ago. It was bizarre,
and no way any meaningful conversation could happen over this connection. I
suppose rather than scoping out the direct, lowest latency connection
between the two computers, it has to be sent to Bethesda or somewhere the
NSA can get their copy?

I diverge, but since I mentioned low latency connections, there is a company
that's going to do live multi-player video games where the games reside on a
host computer, and your computer is basically a dumb terminal. This method
has many advantages, which one of the coolest is being able to spectate at
multi-player games. There could be a crowd of a million watching two teams
play against each other, just like real life sports. The technology they use
to find the lowest latency connection should be incorporated into these
video VOIP programs. Here's a link to the demo, I thought it was
fantastically persuasive IF IT WORKS as it appears to in this demo:





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Re: PowerMac G5 PMU weirdness

[Peter Kim]

I don't know the exact numbers, but I think the power required to boot a G5
tower is pretty huge, much more than normal use.



On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Eric Volker  wrote:

>
> On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:48 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
>  On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Eric Volker wrote:
>>
>>  Is it trying to tell me my hardware clock is out of whack, or just wacky?
>>>
>>
>> I'm guessing it's telling you your PRAM battery is dead, or nearly so?
>>
> That's entirely possible, given that I've reset the PMU 3 or 4 times, which
> drains the battery, right?
>
> After further research on PMU reason code -122, it came to light that
> *external* power considerations might be causing an issue. So I unplugged
> the G5 from my power strip, and hooked it directly into the wall in a
> different outlet. I was then able to boot from whatever media I like, with
> whatever disk in the drive I like. I was also able to rip and transcode a
> DVD without any problems. So the problem seems to be either a) the circuit
> is overloaded (it has 2 other PCs on it) or b) my power strip is bad. Either
> way, it's a lot cheaper to deal with than a new PowerMac PSU.
>
> Does anyone happen to know what the power draw of a dual G5 1.8GHz is under
> full load?
>
> Eric
>
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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Peter Kim]

I have not priced Ethernet routers recently, but I paid a similar amount for
my Asante many years ago and still use it. I've seen many of my friends'
cheap Linksys routers get trashed since, so you get what you pay for. If
you're concerned about speed, run the ethernet cable, or get a wireless
bridge, like those used by console gamers. An Airport Express would work,
but some older routers can be setup as bridges.  A used one should be cheap.

On Mar 2, 2010 7:40 AM, "icanswing"  wrote:

Hi list,
I have a new imac.  Now I want to set up my G4 in another room.  My G4
doesn't have an airport card and I don't believe it would work anyway cause
the new imac has airport extreme and the G4's airport card is just an
airport.   I was told by maczones that I should use a router and they
suggested Netgear RP614NA Platinum 4port cable dsl router.

Does this sound correct?  The router is about $50.00.  Everything is so
expensive

Thanks
Paula

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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Peter Kim]

I remember trying to get 1.5 Mb/s DSL 7 years ago, through SBC, now AT&T, in
suburban Chicago.  I found out that I was too far away from the new optical
fiber install, and had to settle for 768/256Kbs- the houses across the
street could get up to 3 Mb/s.  Ugh, I can't believe we're still talking
about the same issues in this country- 7 years later.  I was eventually able
to get a 3 Mb/s line, now considered the middle package- but please, with
optical fiber that's theoretically equivalent to child's play.  Clear and
Sprint WiMax look pretty good at this point.



On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Kasey Smith  wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:54:18 -0600, Dan  wrote:
>
>  At 7:12 PM -0600 3/5/2010, Kris Tilford wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:
>>>
 we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a
 mile away can.

>>>
>>> The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when
>>> you may be eligible.
>>>
>>
>> The issue is the type of DSL service, and the length & quality of the
>> copper line.  Different DSLs work over different line lengths.  Plus, as
>> Clark mentions, your copper might not necessarily take a direct route to the
>> nearest DSLAM or CO.  Then there's the quality of the line: if your line is
>> old, it's going to be noisy - so it might not even come close to supporting
>> decent speeds.
>>
>
> The old lines thing might be our problem too, the house is nearly 100 years
> old.
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Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

[Peter Kim]

You can also setup some wireless routers as a bridge, through firmware
settings.  A used wireless router is probably cheaper, though not as compact
and neat.  Just out of speculation, 75 yards seems like a good distance to
cover, for a consistent and reliable signal.  What happens when the wind
blows?  You should use your current express to test this out.  You might
need to spend some money on a nice Cisco wireless router? Lots of signal
power- you can light up the whole neighborhood.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle  wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>
>  On 3/5/10 7:23 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 3/5/10 5:26 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

> So, here's the deal.. I'd like very much to "extend" my network. Is
> there a way to do this? I use a current Airport Extreme Base Station
> mounted high on my wall inside my 14x55 mobile home and I'd like to
> share my internet with my niece who lives in another mobile home 75
> yards give or take away... currently she gets about 2 bars on her
> macbook. Is there a way of getting her 4 bars? by mounting some kind of
> antenna on the outside of the house? if so, where would I plug it into?
> I need my wifi to be completely independent of my home computers (G5 &
> G4 mdd). TIA Jeff
>

 Can you mount the base station so it has a view out a window to the
 other mobile home. Eliminating one metal wall would certainly help.
 Frankly she is getting a pretty strong signal right now considering
 how far away she is. You might look into setting up an Airport Express
 as a WDS relay at her end. With your Extreme and her Express both
 mounted near windows so they have a good line of sight connection it
 ought to work pretty well.

  Well, for one, there is at least 2 mobile homes between us so "line of
>>> sight" is out of the question I think... It would be cool if there was
>>> something that I could attach to the outside of the house up high that
>>> would work like an airport express to extend the network I would
>>> hate to use an airport express that way simply because it would
>>> literally melt down in the summer months. thinking. Jeff
>>>
>>>  You could still try the Express.  To test it, put your Extreme in the
>> window (the window will still help, even with other homes in the line of
>> sight.  Then hold your niece's computer in the window to see how strong a
>> signal you get.  If the reception is good then putting an Express in her
>> window would relay from your Extreme to her laptop.
>>
>> Apple's Airport Express is the only WDS relay I've used or even know about
>> but there (must be) others out there.  The express uses only it's internal
>> antennas.  But some other products likely allow for an external antenna.
>>
>> Keep in mind that you want to minimize any antenna cable length, at 2.4
>> GHz a cable eats up signal strength fast.  I have a WiFi antenna that, IIRC,
>> has a gain of 9 dB but it's 4-5' cable looses about 3-4 dB.
>>
>>Great information looks like an airport express is gonna be in the
> up coming budget:-) I have one already but airtunes is pigging it. Jeff
>
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Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

[Peter Kim]

A cantenna would be a neat project, but there isn't an easy way to hook it
into a macbook's antenna. It would need to be connected to a wireless
bridge, which he would have to get, anyway.

On Mar 8, 2010 11:43 AM, "Doug McNutt"  wrote:


I can't believe that no one has mentioned the Pringle's can antenna.  It was
a big deal when 802.11 first became popular and folks were reporting a
couple of miles across a lake. one on each mobile home rooftop pointer at
each other ought to work pretty well.

It must be Googleable.  "Pringle can antenna"
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Re: Maybe Apple Cinema Display beats Dell after all

[Peter Kim]

The used 23" Cinema Display will have a matte screen, the review talks about
the current 24" LED Cinema Display.  The review is interesting, but it only
raises more questions for me.  The whole glossy vs. matte issue is a little
confusing- most digital artists, designers tend to favor matte screens,
while video work tends to favor the glossy finish.  Video tends to look
better, for a bunch of technical reasons, with the glossy screen.  One
interesting note, older Mac OS's were designed to present a screen profile
that favored digital artists and designers on a matte screen.  If you look
at 10.3 and 9 on a matte screen, they look great, but on a glossy screen,
not as attractive.  With Leopard, there's a full transition to a screen
profile that looks great on a glossy screen.  It looks annoying on a matte
screen, to me.  Great for video, but now an inconvenience for people used to
the previous profile.  That said, the OS settings are adjustable.

I've had both Apple and Dell lcd displays, and with Dell, there's usually
something a little not-so-great about it, but you don't mind so much because
it was so much cheaper, and not a big issue.  At the prices you mentioned,
the Apple looks pretty attractive.

I really like the 24" Cinema Display, but I like the new iMac screens even
more.  I wish they offered a 24" version, I hope they keep the size when
they update the Cinema Displays.

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Re: Cube Troubles

[Peter Kim]

The cube has a 128GB hard drive limit, like most early G4 powermacs.  This
does not apply to firewire drives, as far as I know.  I've also heard that
cubes can be a little sensitive to drives that draw lots of power during
startup- but I haven't had any issues with my Seagate, which is on the high
side of average for boot power requirements.

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Re: iMac G5 isight, frequent Kernal Panics, inspite reinstalled OS Tiger

[Peter Kim]

A friend's iMac G5 was cured of KPs, with a simple cleaning of the board and
case.  All the dust was blocking the vents and heat sink.


> On Mar 13, 10:37 pm, Mullin9  wrote:
> >  I have an iMac G5 iSight , 1.9 GHz CPU, Mac OS 10.4.11
> > new 500 GHz HDD as of Nov 15 2009
> > I have frequent Kernel Panics, OS freeze, and intermitted "dead "
> > keyboard and mouse, I sought to fix the KP, by re installing the
> > 10.4.2 restore OS tiger, and doing the OS update to 10.4 11
> > My OS is recently re-installed, but I still have freezes, and KPs.
> > I even have one during Bootup.
> >
> > What causes the frequent KP, despite a new HDD, and reinstalled OS.?
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Re: Hard drive failing

[Peter Kim]

Most external drive enclosures and docks do not have the ability to work
with SMART.  Most docks/enclosures don't have the firmware to allow SMART
info to pass.  This is unrelated to usb or firewire or ide or sata.  If
SMART Utility says the drive is failing, it's failing.  It can't tell you
how much time you have, it can only mention that signs of failure exist.

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Re: Utube on a Cube

[Peter Kim]

My cube and Tibook/867mhz started choking on YouTube videos (and Flash in
general) a few years ago.  I looked into upgrading the cube, but it required
a new processor and video card, and at least one fan for cooling all that
extra power.  I ended up upgrading to a used MacBook.


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:41 PM, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:

>
>
>> You can improve the video in the cube with a video card upgrade, but
>> ultimately you probably just plain need more CPU. 500MHZ is a very long time
>> ago in computer years.
>>
>>
>>
> I guess this maybe an excuse to get a faster processor for the Cube, but
> they are so expensive. Is there a way to download the videos to watch them?
> both machines play DVDs good.
>
>
> JOHN CARMONNE
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> sent from my Wally 10.4.11
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Re: Drink spilled results in blue line on screen

[Peter Kim]

You didn't specify the drink, and if was spilled on the keyboard, or on the
screen- I'll assume the liquid made it into the case and onto the board.  If
you're lucky, it's just the cable or connection that is kinked or loose- it
happens in disassembly/assembly.  Jim mentioned the worst problem with
spills on electronics, if stuff got under a chip, it'll just keep eating
away at the metal until everything corrodes.  Think of a penny soaking in a
soft drink, or exposed metal in a coastal region.  Was it a large spill?

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Re: G5 Information

[Peter Kim]

The logicboards tend to be hard to find and expensive. Unless you really
need a major powerpc system, I would put the money toward a new mini.
You'll spend less and have a faster system.

On Mar 28, 2010 5:58 PM, "John Carmonne"  wrote:


On Mar 28, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Albert Carter wrote:

> John,
>
> Where would I look up the seri...
This site should work for you.http://support.apple.com/specs/




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Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Peter Kim]

I would be wary of used hard drives.  Maybe you should just get a big
external firewire drive, and keep the current drive as the boot drive.
Either way, I would also invest in a back-up drive via firewire.


On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Richard Gerome
wrote:

>
>
>   Thanks for that info Andreas!!! I was planning on getting a new one... I
> also have another question can I keep the orig hard drive in there too (is
> there 2 plugs in the ribbon for them I didn't notice if there was)??? This
> way she can save stuff on that HD too... I don't know of any Prize Search
> Engs??? I use ask.com, google.com and yahoo.com and I come up with the
> same types of websites (ebay always comes up in everyone)... I bought 2 hard
> rives off someone from ebay for my clamshells and had very good luck with
> them and her, she had me return the first one with no questions and sent me
> a new one!!! It was my fault i didn't know it had to be formatted... I am
> planning on buying this one from her as soon as she gets back to me with the
> specs on the one for $79.95...
>   I think HD's may be going bad is because of leaving the computer running
> all the time??? With my experience in knowing how things are made and the
> way they build them to fail after x-#'s of yrs, I wouldn't expect a HD to
> last that long but I am suprised that most of them do last that long???
> After yrs of spinning and collecting dust and dirt any kind of bearing would
> ware out... The ones I replaced in my clamshells were not bad they were just
> too slow, so I cleaned them and sold them on ebay!!!
>
>
>
> -
> >>Ok I found this hard drive on ebay for $75 with the shipping: 7200rpm
> >> 250GB Maxtor HARD DRIVE Apple Power Mac iMac G4|eMac... Is this a good
> >> drive for the money and can I split it into 2 125g partitions??? I have
> >> someone else sending me all the details for a simular one for $79.95...
> I
> >> will post that info when I get it... Thanks again everyone!!!
> >
> >Isn't there a prize search engine in the U.S. available?
> >
> >Here in Germany+Austria/Europe we have a nice search site called
> geizhals.at
> >(.de and .eu respectively). Searching for the cheapest 500 GB PATA drive:
> >Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB (HDP725050GLAT80)
> >for around 60-65 EUR – that would be around 80 to 85 USD at the current
> rate.
> >
> >
> >When it comes to hard disk drives I have some rules I always follow:
> >1) *always* buy it _new_
> >2) buy it from a store where you will get a replacement if the drive
> should
> >fail (when it is returned RMA to the manufacturer)
> >3) HDDs _will fail_ after 5 to 10 years. NEVER BUY USED DRIVES!
> >
> >These are my rules, because I want to keep my files safe – and because of
> >recent personal experiences.
> >I had a couple of HDDs (IDE=PATA, 7 to 12 years old) which all failed one
> >after the other, some completely, others while I was reformating and
> >reinstalling a fresh Mac OS X. The failures ranged from sector read
> failures
> >(the least problem) to controller hardware failures to physical failures
> of
> >the drive itself (rare, but happend with one drive). This tells me that
> these
> >type of storage media only lasts 5 to 10 years and is very likely to fail
> >thereafter. From 10 disks (4 of my own) 9 failed, and only one is still
> >working. The one is 13 years old 30 GB original Apple from a G3 B&W and I
> have
> >a strange feeling every day because I expect it to fail anytime. This
> >surviving drive was used when I got it. (Exception to the rule, so it
> seems.)
> >
> >
> >On the other hand, a drive will fail within the first year or doesn't fail
> at
> >all within the already mentioned 5 to 10 years.
> >
> >
> >
> >My advice to you: why not buy a drive at a local computer store? (if the
> prize
> >is okay…)
> >
> >
> >And one other thing. For the partitions: make one, say 80 to 120 GB (I
> always
> >use 80 GB, has always been well enough for my applications) for the
> operating
> >system, and the rest for your individual files. That works well if you use
> the
> >Open Firmware patch to support LBA-48. And helps to keep things tidy. (who
> >wants to work with more than 2 paritions? seriously, who?) Just remember
> to
> >put all your files on the second partition (and not in your users
> folder!).
> >
> >http://4thcode.blogspot.com/2007/12/using-128-gib-or-larger-ata-hard-
> >drives.html
> >
> >
> >
> >Whish you good luck with your project.
> >Cheers,
> >Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250
> >
>
>
>
> Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we
> are going...
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Re: Calendar sync'ing, Mac->PC->Droid

[Peter Kim]

I would tell him to use Google Calender. The web app and phone sync with
each other over the air, it's easy and simple. No need to complicate then
things.

On Sep 25, 2010 11:03 AM, "Dan"  wrote:
> I've been googling around, and am confusing myself... So I figured
> you'all could set me right...
>
> My housemates need to do some calendar exchanging... She uses iCal
> 2, on her PowerBook G4, running Tiger. He uses peecees, a desktop
> and a laptop, both running Win7. And now he has a brand-new Droid
> from Verizon. At this time, he doesn't do calendaring on his
> computers at all.
>
> I'm getting the impression that the Droid somehow requires Google
> Calendar? Is that correct?
>
> ...I mention iCal 2 because this is perhaps a limitation; iCal 3
> (which requires Leopard) adds CalDAV support that can talk to Google
> Calendars directly. But at this time, we do NOT want to upgrade the
> OS in her PB.
>
> We want to push her iCal calendars to his PCs and his the Droid.
>
> We don't necessarily want to sync them back into her iCal, as he has
> a um tendancy to mess things up, and we don't want her "master"
> calendar farked.
>
> If she publishes her calendars to a service like iCalX.com, can he
> simply subscribe to them somehow?
>
> SpanningSync  looks like it has some
> potential, at least it has a Tiger version, but I'm not sure if we
> want a Mac->Droid solution. That would create a dependancy on her
> dealing with him updating every day or so. ...
>
> It would be ok if the solution required the internet, but it would be
> better if it didn't - as they're often on the road in their RV
> without 'net access.
>
> So what's the right way to do all this?
>
> Thanks,
> - Dan.
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Any hope for my G5 tower?

[Peter Kim]

I left for the weekend, and returned to find out that the power transformer
across the street had exploded while I was away.  My DP G5 2Ghz(early 2005),
was in sleep mode at the time.  When I pressed the power button, the tower
booted and worked fine- until the next day, when it suddenly went black.
The power supply tested okay with a voltmeter.  I've tried pulling ram,
disconnecting drives, video card, processors.  It will power most of the
time, but won't bong/post.  The one difference is when I pulled a processor,
I pressed the power button, and did not get power.  I know it is not
supposed to do this.  Any insight, suggestions appreciated.

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Re: Any hope for my G5 tower?

[Peter Kim]

Thanks for the suggestion, I think it's worth pursuing, but I've heard (but
don't know for sure) that the transformer exploded because it had a
firecracker thrown into it.  Would the power company be able to deny a claim
saying that they aren't responsible for the failure?


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> Peter Kim wrote:
> > I left for the weekend, and returned to find out that the power
> > transformer across the street had exploded while I was away.  My DP G5
> > 2Ghz(early 2005), was in sleep mode at the time.  When I pressed the
> > power button, the tower booted and worked fine- until the next day, when
> > it suddenly went black.  The power supply tested okay with a voltmeter.
> > I've tried pulling ram, disconnecting drives, video card, processors.
> > It will power most of the time, but won't bong/post.  The one difference
> > is when I pulled a processor, I pressed the power button, and did not
> > get power.  I know it is not supposed to do this.  Any insight,
> > suggestions appreciated.
>
> Get it repaired and bill the power company.  Seriously.
>
> Indeed! A friend in Florida got her computer replaced by the power company.
>
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Re: Any hope for my G5 tower?

[Peter Kim]

I mentioned firecracker loosely- I would not be surprised if something much
larger was thrown/launched at it.  For the 4th, fireworks are legal in my
town, and I've seen people take apart mortars and light the components in
the streets.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
>
> On Jul 23, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Peter Kim wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the suggestion, I think it's worth pursuing, but I've
> > heard (but
> > don't know for sure) that the transformer exploded because it had a
> > firecracker thrown into it.  Would the power company be able to deny
> > a claim
> > saying that they aren't responsible for the failure?
>
> If their transformers explode because 'a firecracker' got thrown into
> it, I'd just move, period.
>
> Either their transformers are ridiculously flimsy, or the
> 'firecrackers' they sell in your neck of the woods are made of C4. :-)
>
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Re: Dual G5 Problem

[Peter Kim]

Maybe the new ram is out of spec?  Even if it is not the ram, more likely it
is a peripheral or component, so I will second the recommendation that you
start disconnecting and pulling out components/substituting, one by one.  It
may be your keyboard, or some wireless/bluetooth device.  You get power and
the machine chimes, so power supply and motherboard seem fine.  If it is
your motherboard, there's not much you can do about it.  Start with the
cheap and more likely problem solving.



On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM,  wrote:

> I orginally changed the ram because one of the 512 was bad but just put in
> new matched pair
> 1GB sticks.  I'll try changing them around in slots.  I thought I had read
> somewhere that these
> particular models might of had logic/motherboard issues.  But not sure.
> Thanks,
> Linda
>
>
> In a message dated 7/27/09 1:08:29 PM, ktilfo...@cox.net writes:
>
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:06 AM, polkado...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hi, thanks for the advice.  I forgot to write that I had replaced
> > the memory (the kernal panics were happening prior to the memory
> > change - that's why one thought I had too) - plus I wanted to
> > upgrade to more memory so put in 2 new memory sticks (1GB each
> > matched pair) plus I ran the diagnosis test and the ram tested ok
> > but the kernal panics continued.
>
> I believe it's likely this is a RAM issue. Testing RAM issues in a G5
> seems like a real hassle. Since you indicate these problems started
> before adding the new RAM, I'd start by pulling the OLD RAM and seeing
> if the new RAM alone stops the panics.
>
> My dual G5 with 8 sticks (4 pairs) was VERY finicky about RAM and it
> took me probably 15x at least of reseating and moving the RAM around
> before I found a combination of sticks & slots whereby all the RAM was
> recognized and worked properly. I'd start checking your RAM first.
>
>
>
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Re: iMac crashes

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I have not had much success using usb wireless adapters with older iMacs.
 The mac drivers tend to be buggy, and the usb 1.1 bus on the iMac tends to
be a bottleneck.  I've seen more success with iMacs running ubuntu with
linux drivers, but it's still relatively slow because of the bus.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM, hosemonkey  wrote:

> I have an iMac slot-loader 450mhz 256mb Ram Syst. 10.4. I am trying to
> use a Belkin F5D7050 wireless adapter using Ralink driver for that
> adapter. I have used this combo sucessfully in the past. But... with
> this old girl, every time that I attempt to open the wireless utility,
> I get a screen that says that I must restart my computer(crash). I
> have updated the firmware on the iMac, installed Syst 10.4, made sure
> that I had the proper wireless utility software. I'm stumped. Any
> ideas? Any help would be appreciated. Thank in advance.
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