Using SATA and IDE drives in same G4 Macintosh

[William Tomcanin]

Does anyone have experience with having both and IDE and SATA (via
SATA-to-IDE adapter) installed in the same G4 Macintosh?

I currently have two rotational drives, one with Tiger installed, the other
with Leopard on my G4  2002 Quicksilver.  The Leopard drive is beginning to
should "yellow" SMART indicators, and I'd like to replace it with an SSD.

Is this possible to have an IDE and SATA drives on the same cable (with
adapter, of course)?  If so, does it matter which is set to master/slave?

Thanks in advance,
Bill

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Re: Quicksilver 2002 Optical Drive Replacement

[William Tomcanin]

Just a brief update...  I gave up on trying to get the the Pioneer optical
drive to work again -- I got it to work for about 1 day, then the same
problem.  I won't recognized discs (CDs or DVDs) that it played immediately
after cleaning the previous day.

The LG unit works well, although the ADDONICS IDE/SATA adapter that shipped
with it doesn't allow the unit to write CDs or DVDs.

Overall, I'm pleased with the replacement.  I don't know if it's worth it
to try and find an adapter that would restore the ability to burn discs.

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>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> My 15-year old original Pioneer optical drive has failed completely.  I
>> removed it took it apart, cleaned it which brought it back to life for
>> about one day.  Today it refuses to read anything!
>>
>> Time to replace it and I am wondering what folks are using these days.
>>
>> I've been to the OWC site and see some options for newer drives, but they
>> only function as CD/DVD-rom when connected internally with appropriate
>> adapters.  I can live with that, but would appreciate any recommendations
>> from the group.
>>
>> thanks in advance,
>> Bill
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Re: Quicksilver 2002 Optical Drive Replacement

[William Tomcanin]

Thanks, Bruce.

I am about to purchase an LG drive from OWC (with an SATA-IDE/ATAPI
converter).  I realize that I will likely loose write capability, but I
think that is a function of the adapter that is coming with the product.

 I'm in the process of researching other adapters that might allow me to
write with the appropriate S/W.

Bill

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Quicksilver 2002 Optical Drive Replacement

[William Tomcanin]

Hello everyone,

My 15-year old original Pioneer optical drive has failed completely.  I
removed it took it apart, cleaned it which brought it back to life for
about one day.  Today it refuses to read anything!

Time to replace it and I am wondering what folks are using these days.

I've been to the OWC site and see some options for newer drives, but they
only function as CD/DVD-rom when connected internally with appropriate
adapters.  I can live with that, but would appreciate any recommendations
from the group.

thanks in advance,
Bill

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Re: HD recommendations for 2002 Quicksilver G4

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I currently use the G4 to run legacy S/W -- I guess it's more of a hobby
machine and not my primary H/W.

I do have a lot of audio and photo files on it, as well as some legacy PPC
S/W that I do not want to loose.

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> Is this a hobby computer or a machine that has been a DAW or other
> workstation?
> That would mean a great difference.
> Or is it the only dire option between you and being cut off from the
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>> Personally I would get a sata to ide adapter and get any modern small
>> reputable ssd. Clone it with ccc or similar.
>>
>> You won't have trim but with garbage collection on the drive and the
>> bottleneck of the ide bus it should still be way faster and outlast the
>> rest of the G4.
>>
>> Last time i researched this all the actual IDE ssd drives had crappy
>> controllers.
>> -James
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>> On Jan 29, 2017, at 15:09, William Tomcanin <wt8091...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I'm sure that this question has been asked before, but I would appreciate
>> receiving any information regarding replacement / upgrades for my "old"
>> (original) hard drive.
>>
>> I'm concerned that it has been with me for over 15 years.  How should I
>> replace and/or upgrade it?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
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HD recommendations for 2002 Quicksilver G4

[William Tomcanin]

Hello everyone,

I'm sure that this question has been asked before, but I would appreciate
receiving any information regarding replacement / upgrades for my "old"
(original) hard drive.

I'm concerned that it has been with me for over 15 years.  How should I
replace and/or upgrade it?

Thanks in advance!

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SSD for 2002 Quicksilver G4

[William Tomcanin]

Hello everyone,

As the subject line says, I'm wondering if anyone has installed an SSD in their 
G4?  If so, would you please offer recommendations and comments on how it 
performs?

Thanks,
Bill

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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[William Tomcanin]

Has anyone manually cleaned the laser lens on their DVD drive?  I'm tempted
at this point to remove the drive, take it apart and attempt to clean it
manually until a replacement arrives.

I understand that the lenses on the original Pioneer 103 DVR drives must be
immaculate in order for them to work properly.

Bill

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 On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 10:55:31 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:

 Hello all,

 As the subject line implies, the Superdrive in my trusty Quicksilver will
 no longer read DVDs.  CDs appear to read ok, although burning is becoming
 problematic (50-50 chance of success).

 Can anyone suggest a replacement?


 The difficulty is that PATA drives are no longer manufactured and the old
 stock of half-height (normal optical drive sized) PATA optical drives ran
 out a long time ago.

 SATA optical drives are still available.  Newegg regularly has them for
 less than $20, so, if there is room, you might install a SATA optical drive
 with a PATA to SATA adapter (some of the adapters will work in both
 directions).

 Another alternative is to get this slim PATA optical drive:
 http://amzn.com/B001B7XYZO

 This or similar slimline PATA to normal PATA adapter:
 http://r.ebay.com/Yy4C5d

 And you may need this slim-line optical drive to full-size optical drive
 physical adapter:   http://amzn.com/B007C1KPQY

 The drive is slot-load, so it may not work well if you G4 has doors that
 need to be pushed open by a tray.

 Jeff Walther


 I use an external firewire DVD drive with my Macs.  It solved every
 problem I ever had burning discs on Apple hardware.  USB is cheaper but
 sucks on PPC macs.

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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[William Tomcanin]

Thanks, Pete.

I'll look into the adjustment as well.  Hopefully I'll be able to attempt
the cleaning within the next day or two as time permits.

Thanks for the prompt response!

Regards,
Bill

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 On 20/04/2015 11:39, William Tomcanin wt8091...@gmail.com wrote:

  Has anyone manually cleaned the laser lens on their DVD drive?  I'm
 tempted at
  this point to remove the drive, take it apart and attempt to clean it
 manually
  until a replacement arrives.
 
  I understand that the lenses on the original Pioneer 103 DVR drives must
 be
  immaculate in order for them to work properly.
 
  Bill

 Hi,
 Yes I've done that with many of the optical drives I've had over the
 years - alcohol on a cotton bud will usually do the trick for just cleaning
 the lens. An associated problem with age is focus drift errors on the lens
 -
 I had this problem with an Xbox dvd player - fortunately there are screw
 adjustments available for the laser lens focus and a fiddle with these
 fixed
 my problem. I would recommend googling for some kind of tutorial first
 though as you need to be able to reverse your chosen adjustment back to
 it's
 original position if it's the wrong one and before you attempt another.

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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[William Tomcanin]

Thanks, Bruce!

Bill

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  On Apr 12, 2015, at 8:55 AM, William Tomcanin wt8091...@gmail.com
 wrote:

Hello all,

  As the subject line implies, the Superdrive in my trusty Quicksilver will
 no longer read DVDs.  CDs appear to read ok, although burning is becoming
 problematic (50-50 chance of success).

  Can anyone suggest a replacement?

  Thanks in advance,
  Bill


  Pretty much any ATA DVD +/- R/RW drive will work, if you’re using 10.5.
 For previous versions of OS X you need to get Patchburn: 
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Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

[William Tomcanin]

Hello all,

As the subject line implies, the Superdrive in my trusty Quicksilver will
no longer read DVDs.  CDs appear to read ok, although burning is becoming
problematic (50-50 chance of success).

Can anyone suggest a replacement?

Thanks in advance,
Bill

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Re: ios7 growing pains

[William Tomcanin]

Jeff,

Have you encountered any problems with iTunes 11 or WiFi with your setup?

I am seriously considering doing the same thing.  Recently I lost the use of my 
G4 iMac due to a blown power supply, and my G3 PowerBook (CPU).

I'm looking for something that can support my two iPhones running iOS 7.

Bill

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 On 9/25/13 4:19 PM, Charles Lenington wrote: 
  
  --You could always try a hack. 
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hq-a/ 
 
 Seriuously. This is the way to go. You can easily get Mac Pro level 
 performance for a third the cost. 
 
 I went Hack over 4 years ago and can't see myself ever buying another 
 Apple desktop. Their laptops, on the other hand, are worth every penny. 
 
 Oh, and another great resource for this is tonymacx86.com. Great 
 community there.
 
 I'm running 10.6 on my Dell Latitude D430.
 
 http://www.osxlatitude.com
 
 Jeff Walther
  
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Re: Importing Bookmarks/Passwords to TenFourFox

[William Tomcanin]

Thanks, Michael.


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Michael McMurtrey
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 On Aug 18, 2013, at 5:46 AM, William Tomcanin wrote:


I just installed TenFourFox on my 2002 Quicksilver, and I have the same
question regarding importing bookmarks, etc., from Safari. I can't
seem to
get them imported. How did you do it?

 Open TenFourFox. In the Bookmarks menu, click on Show All Bookmarks.  A
 new window will open with five buttons. Click the one at the far right (the
 star cycle icon) and select Import Data From Another Browser, then select
 Safari.

 This apparently only work for Bookmarks. i have had to re-enter passwords
 manually, but fortunately had a master list kept elsewhere. You can find
 your user names for the sites you visit by opening Safari and going to
 PreferencesAutofill and clicking on the Edit button next to User names
 and passwords.

 Michael McMurtrey
 Carrollton, TX

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Re: Importing Bookmarks/Passwords to TenFourFox

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Michael,

I just installed TenFourFox on my 2002 Quicksilver, and I have the same
question regarding importing bookmarks, etc., from Safari.  I can't seem to
get them imported.  How did you do it?

Thanks in advance,
Bill


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 Is there an easy way to import bookmarks and passwords from Safari into
 TenFourFox? Neither browser's Help offers much advice about this topic.

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

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Thanks for the responses everyone.

I confirmed that the noise was coming from the CPU cooling fan.

I removed it, removed the label, applied about 5 small drops of 3-in-1 oil
to the bearing and worked it in until the fan blades were able to move
freely.

I replaced the unit, and it is much, much quieter now (it sounded like a
field of crickets before).

I'll go ahead and purchase a replacement.

--Bill

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 Could very well be although this was about seven years ago so I was
 certain the fan was original. However the plug connection made for an easy
 exchange.  No soldering! Got the fan side plug from a power supply for a
 severely damaged model aircraft I just happened to have saved.
 FWIW

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

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Hello G4 users,

My 2002 Quicksilver is starting to make some noise associated with the CPU
cooling fan (as far as I can isolate it).

Can anyone share experiences re:  replacing this fan?

Is it fairly easy to remove, replace and/or repair (i.e., lube?)

Thanks,
Bill

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 Hello G4 users,

 I have a Quicksilver G4 2002 running OSX 10.5.8 with 1.5 GB of RAM and two
 internal Harddisks ( 320 GB and 160 GB) installed
 and I use it every day. It still looks as if it came right out of the box.
 Last week I put in a new pram battery after 10 years !
 As long as I will be able to run most of my software for surfing (using
 TenFourFox7450) and word processing (open office)  I will continue to use
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Re: Excessive fan noise - Quicksilver 2002

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... an update.

My replacement fan is in transit, but in the interim I disassembled the
power supply and removed the old fan - a bit of a challenge due to the
tight fit and various items glued to its case.

I removed the label carefully drilled a small hole (1/16) into the hub
(there was no removable cap under the label), and fed several small drops
of 3-in-1 machine oil into the hole.

After manually rotating the fan for several minutes, the fins rotated
easily.  I sealed the hole with black electrical tape, replaced the hub
sticker, and reassembled the power supply.

The fan started up, is much quieter, and is really pumping out the air.

I hope that this will keep me in business until I can replace the fan with
the new one.

Thanks to everyone for your advice and comments.

--Bill

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:11 AM, William Tomcanin wt8091...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks, everyone.

 I've bought a StarTech.com 80x25mm Dual Ball Bearing Computer Case Fan
 (rated at 32 cfm) that I'm going to use to replace the PSU fan.  Hopefully
 the ball bearing will last longer than the sleeve bearings that I think are
 used the existing fan.

 Incidentally, since I last gave the existing fan a good flip to get it
 started, it has continued to spin, although I think at lower rpm.

 In any event, it's coming out soon.

 Bill

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 On Jun 30, 2012, at 9:39 AM, William Tomcanin wrote:




 Can anyone recommend a course of action?  lubrication?  replacement?

 Thanks,
 Bill


 Hello Bill,

  My QS 2002 came down with kernel panics etc. and after a lot of
 searching discovered it was caused by over-heating due to the fact the MB
 heat sink cooling fan was not working. I ordered a new fan and while I was
 waiting for delivery cooled the heat sink by running with the side door
 open and a small electric fan blowing on the heat sink. Worked fine and I
 kept track of operating temperatures with a down loaded temp. read out.
 After receiving the fan I removed and reseated the heat sink then installed
 the new fan. New fan came with out a plug on it so save the old fan. As I
 recall the new fan cost about $15.00. This was several years ago and the QS
 is still working fine. A wonderful machine.
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Re: Excessive fan noise - Quicksilver 2002

[William Tomcanin]

Thanks everyone!

After some cleaning and further investigation, I discovered that the power
supply fan is binding.  I had to flip it a few times with a toothpick in
order to get it moving, albeit rather slowly.

I suspect that this is driving the internal temperature too high, and is
resulting in the other fans running at higher speed.

It looks as if I will need to either replace the fan or power supply soon.

I know that you replaced your fan, Peter, has anyone replaced the full PSU?
 If so, how difficult is it?

Thanks,
Bill

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:24 AM, William Tomcanin wt8091...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Recently I've noticed he fan on my Quicksilver G4 has been making much
 more noise than usual.

 I periodically clean the dust out of the interior and the ventilation
 ports, but the noise persists..

 Can anyone recommend a course of action?  lubrication?  replacement?

 Thanks,
 Bill


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Re: Excessive fan noise - Quicksilver 2002

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Thanks again for the responses ..  I assume the PSU fan is 80 x 80 x 25 mm,
at least 32 cfm?   Any restrictions on current draw at 12 v?

--Bill

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 9:39 AM, William Tomcanin wt8091...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks everyone!

 After some cleaning and further investigation, I discovered that the power
 supply fan is binding.  I had to flip it a few times with a toothpick in
 order to get it moving, albeit rather slowly.

 I suspect that this is driving the internal temperature too high, and is
 resulting in the other fans running at higher speed.

 It looks as if I will need to either replace the fan or power supply soon.

 I know that you replaced your fan, Peter, has anyone replaced the full
 PSU?  If so, how difficult is it?

 Thanks,
 Bill


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 Hi everyone,

 Recently I've noticed he fan on my Quicksilver G4 has been making much
 more noise than usual.

 I periodically clean the dust out of the interior and the ventilation
 ports, but the noise persists..

 Can anyone recommend a course of action?  lubrication?  replacement?

 Thanks,
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Excessive fan noise - Quicksilver 2002

[William Tomcanin]

Hi everyone,

Recently I've noticed he fan on my Quicksilver G4 has been making much more
noise than usual.

I periodically clean the dust out of the interior and the ventilation
ports, but the noise persists..

Can anyone recommend a course of action?  lubrication?  replacement?

Thanks,
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Re: Excessive fan noise - Quicksilver 2002

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Thanks, peter.

The one thing I didn't do was to clean the actual fan blades.  I will do
that immediately.

The noise doesn't appear to be a whine that I normally associate with
bearing wear, but seems to be more of a noticeable whirring.

If additional cleaning doesn't improve the situation, I'll start looking
for a replacement fan.

Thanks again,
Bill

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 On 27/06/2012 11:24, William Tomcanin wt8091...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi everyone,
 
  Recently I've noticed he fan on my Quicksilver G4 has been making much
 more
  noise than usual.
 
  I periodically clean the dust out of the interior and the ventilation
 ports,
  but the noise persists..
 
  Can anyone recommend a course of action?  lubrication?  replacement?
 
  Thanks,
  Bill

 I had problems with fan noise and overheating with my MDD dual 1.25 -
 resulted in me stripping it bare and performing certain 'modifications' -
 some of them to the fan and airflow. The fan had metal spider web grilles
 either side - I ditched the one which was screwed on and dremelled the
 other
 away to  improve airflow - I also ditched the metal pci blanks. As for the
 fan I scrubbed it all mercilessly with a toothbrush and washing up liquid -
 taking care to avoid the electrical bits in the hub - and then gave the
 inner housing and blades several coats of heavy furniture wax polished to
 the best shine I could get - seemed like a good idea at the time though I
 would have preferred to treat it with the silicon spray I used to use in my
 printing days to reduce friction whilst sliding large reams of paper around
 on benches and loading tables.
The 'modifications' reduced the noise and improved the airflow - but if
 the noise is wear and tear to the fan bearings only a new or replacement
 120cm fan will cure that.

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Source of spare parts for G3 / G4?

[William Tomcanin]

Hello all,

I'm wondering where I can find spare / replacement parts for my aging G3's
and G4.

I am searching for a replacement power supply for my G3 gooseneck iMac.
 I also need some replacement parts for my G3 Lombard powerbook.

Can anyone recommend some sources?

Thanks!

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G4 Quicksilver Sleep Settings - Mac OS X 10.5.8

[William Tomcanin]

Hi all,

I'm curious as to what folks are using for the following system preferences:

System Sleep
Disk Sleep
Display Sleep

I'm currently putting my display to sleep after 30 min., but never allowing
the computer nor hard drives to sleep.

Since I leave my computer running 24 x 7, I'm wondering if I should be also
putting the system and disks to sleep as well.

Thanks!

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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[William Tomcanin]

I have used my 2002 Quicksilver G4 (867 MHz, Mac OS X 10.5.8) everyday for
about the past 9 years.

It does everything I need -- e-mail, web browsing, music, video and
photography.

I use NeoOffice as my document processor, presentation maker, and for
spreadsheets.

I am quite happy with it!

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:40 PM, gira93 diskce...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone!

 Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4,

 I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and
 love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works
 very well with 10.4.11.

 I'm writing this because a friend said i was crazy just beacuse i
 use such an old mac for the everyday use.

 So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4?

 PS: Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian.

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