Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[Amanda Ward]

On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 13, 2009, at 2:28 PM, MaGioZal wrote:
>
>>
>> The problem of the "spinning beach ball" doesn't occur with 10.4
>> itself, but
>> with the applications that run over it.
>
> which are waiting for "disk i/o, paging memory, or network data."
>
> The SPOD is the Mac's way of telling you "I haven't crashed, but this
> process is taking a lot longer than I expected, and I can't do
> anything until I get what I asked for, so I'm letting you know about
> it."

Heh... started my Powerbook this morning and got the spinning pizza/ 
beachball as things got up to speed. Then... the spinning just  
stopped! Just the static whirligig in the middle of the screen.  
Thinking the worst, I tried finding my mouse pointer and some how the  
SPOD had become the NSPMP (Non Spinning Pizza Mouse Pointer). Never  
saw =that= happen before... no pointing hand, no arrow... just the  
round colored object. It worked fine as a mouse pointer, but it was  
damn odd!!!

Amanda


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Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 13, 2009, at 2:28 PM, MaGioZal wrote:

>
> The problem of the "spinning beach ball" doesn't occur with 10.4  
> itself, but
> with the applications that run over it.

which are waiting for "disk i/o, paging memory, or network data."

The SPOD is the Mac's way of telling you "I haven't crashed, but this  
process is taking a lot longer than I expected, and I can't do  
anything until I get what I asked for, so I'm letting you know about  
it."

It's the equivalent of the old Mac tumbling hourglass.

If it turns out it's waiting for something that will never happen,  
like data off of a closed network connection or you have a deadlock on  
a resource, and there's no timeout period on the request, then it's as  
good as a crash, because all you can do is force-quit the app.

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Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[Richard Gerome]

 What is a reasonable time before it loads up??? Maybe there is way to do 
this on a Tower but it doesn't work on an iBook very well, I'd rather run 
Jaguar and not be able to do as much... That's why I bought the 15in 1ghz 
Titanium G4 Pwoerbook!!!   I think it's inevitable we all will have to upgrade 
to a newer computer sooner or later...   CoolKat



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>
>
>
>On Sep 13, 2009, at 2:28 PM, MaGioZal wrote:
>
>>
>> The problem of the "spinning beach ball" doesn't occur with 10.4  
>> itself, but
>> with the applications that run over it.
>
>which are waiting for "disk i/o, paging memory, or network data."
>
>The SPOD is the Mac's way of telling you "I haven't crashed, but this  
>process is taking a lot longer than I expected, and I can't do  
>anything until I get what I asked for, so I'm letting you know about  
>it."
>
>It's the equivalent of the old Mac tumbling hourglass.
>
>If it turns out it's waiting for something that will never happen,  
>like data off of a closed network connection or you have a deadlock on  
>a resource, and there's no timeout period on the request, then it's as  
>good as a crash, because all you can do is force-quit the app.
>
>-- 
>Bruce Johnson
>University of Arizona
>College of Pharmacy
>Information Technology Group
>
>Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
>
>
>
>>


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Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[Dan]

At 6:28 PM -0300 9/13/2009, MaGioZal wrote:
>On 8/26/09 11:53 AM, Dan at  wrote:
>
>>  The SPOD mostly comes from apps needing resources, such as waiting
>>  for disk i/o, paging memory, or network data.
>
>The problem of the "spinning beach ball" doesn't occur with 10.4 itself, but
>with the applications that run over it.

Primarily the SPOD comes from the OS itself - telling the user that 
the app is waiting for OS level resources.

- Dan.
-- 
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Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[Kris Tilford]

On Sep 13, 2009, at 4:33 PM, MaGioZal wrote:

> Well, I run 10.4 here with Beige G3 without video card... It works,  
> but it
> doesn't show graphics based on more recent/powerful video  
> archicteture, like
> "coverflow view" in Safrai and iTunes.

If you get a fast video card like a Radeon 9100 (flashed PC only), you  
can enable Quartz Extreme using PC Extreme 3.1 and get coverflow to  
work, but it's a little slow still. A Radeon 7000 would be the minimum  
for QE.

I don't think any PCI cards support Core Image on "old world" Macs?  
There was a project to bring the nVidia GeForce FX5200 PCI to "old  
world" Macs, but I think it died? The FX5200 PCI and at least one ATI  
PCI card support Core Image on "new world" Macs like the B&W, Yikes,  
etc. but again, very slowly.


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Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[MaGioZal]

On 8/30/09 5:41 PM, Dan at  wrote:

> At 8:44 PM +0200 8/30/2009, Mac User #330250 wrote:
 How does Panther or even Jaguar run on your B&W?
>>> Panther and Jaguar are *slower* than Tiger.
>> 
>> Yes, but when it comes to memory requirements I bet Tiger uses more RAM then
>> Panther or Jaguar did.
> 
> According to my notes they're within 10 MB of each other.  And more
> in Tiger is pageable - so one could make the case that Tiger uses
> LESS memory.

And Tiger takes much less time to boot than previous versions of Mac OS X.
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[MaGioZal]

On 8/28/09 4:45 PM, steveoa at  wrote:

> Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram,
> 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well
> with this.  It runs ok till the "Install" section then just sits there
> with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and
> I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions?
> 
> Now I'm even more confused??


Have you tried to update the internal HD drivers? Many times installs of Mac
OS don't work properly because of older HD drivers.
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[MaGioZal]

On 8/28/09 4:13 PM, Bill Connelly at  wrote:

>> 
>> Tiger runs quite nicely on G3s.  I would recommend 512Mb RAM as a
>> minimum.  Generally speaking Tiger will be faster than Panther.
>> 
> has anyone  mentioned a good video card being necessary?

Well, I run 10.4 here with Beige G3 without video card... It works, but it
doesn't show graphics based on more recent/powerful video archicteture, like
"coverflow view" in Safrai and iTunes.
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[MaGioZal]

On 8/26/09 11:53 AM, Dan at  wrote:

> The SPOD mostly comes from apps needing resources, such as waiting
> for disk i/o, paging memory, or network data.


The problem of the "spinning beach ball" doesn't occur with 10.4 itself, but
with the applications that run over it.
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[MaGioZal]

On 8/26/09 11:38 AM, Richard Gerome at  wrote:

>  I really think you should have a processor speed over 650mhz for running
> Tiger... I have a few old clamshells and my 466 runs faster then my 366
> running Jaguar, I get the spinning color disc too on the 366 more then the
> 466... When I went from 10.1 to 10.2.8 that slowed both machines down a lot...
> I bought a 366 off ebay and it had Panther in it and that was just way too
> slow for me even running 576mb so I did a clean and reinstall with Jaguar...
> Rich


Well, my Beige G3 currently runs at... 266MHz.
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[MaGioZal]

On 8/25/09 9:47 PM, Mullin9 at  wrote:

> On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa  wrote:
>> Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram,
> 
> The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go
> for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4


I am running 10.4.11 here on a 512MB RAM Beige G3 without major problems.
But I wuld like to add an extra 256MB RAM on the last free slot.
;-)
 




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