Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
On Dec 29, 2008, at 1:45 AM, Dan wrote: > > At 12:45 AM -0500 12/29/2008, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: >> G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower >> 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 >> >> Just got and installed a RAM stick from OWC and it makes the Mac run >> like a Dream. However, > > After installing the stick, did you run any diagnostics - AHT or > Memtest? > >> Firefox and Dreamweaver keep quitting unexpectedly, behavior unknown >> before the install. > > What is the exact error message? > > When the app crashes, what does it say about it in system log? in > console log? in the app's crash log? > > ...IOW, typical memory related failures don't just happen quietly. > When the system detects the errors, it spews all over the logs... > > If you're worried about the stick, run Memtest overnight. > > Memtest is included with AppleJack, as an install option... Thanks Dan, Wallace, McGrude ~ Yanked the stick, put old one back in, Mac worked fine for several days. Just reinstalled the stick, made sure well seated, made sure no dust with newly purchased air can. In two minutes, Firefox crashed yet again. D/l and ran Applejack Memtest, it said FAILURE many times, but I can't find the Applejack.log. Would like to read the specifics. Where is it? Also found ye olde Apple Hardware Test and that said Error Code mem_/ 2/4. Did not yet zap the pram, etc. because things be fine with the old chip. Did not do the Qtip with Isopropyl Alcohol yet (what is this, a Ninendo64?) but if you guys think I should do it, okay. Somehow I think it is contacting all right, or the Tests would have remarked absence, but what do I know. Is it time to contact OWC for a replacement or is there something else to do? Oh, right, look in System logs. But are the two failures in the memory hardware tests definitive? Thanks and Happy New Year, Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
On Jan 1, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: > > > Thanks Dan, Wallace, McGrude ~ > > Yanked the stick, put old one back in, Mac worked fine for several > days. Just reinstalled the stick, made sure well seated, made sure no > dust with newly purchased air can. > > In two minutes, Firefox crashed yet again. > > D/l and ran Applejack Memtest, it said FAILURE many times, but I > can't find the Applejack.log. Would like to read the specifics. Where > is it? > > Also found ye olde Apple Hardware Test and that said Error Code mem_/ > 2/4. > > Did not yet zap the pram, etc. because things be fine with the old > chip. I believe every time your replace a RAM stick, you need to zap the PRAM. > > Did not do the Qtip with Isopropyl Alcohol yet (what is this, a > Ninendo64?) but if you guys think I should do it, okay. > > Somehow I think it is contacting all right, or the Tests would have > remarked absence, but what do I know. > > Is it time to contact OWC for a replacement or is there something > else to do? Oh, right, look in System logs. > > But are the two failures in the memory hardware tests definitive? > > Thanks and Happy New Year, IMO, If you replaced the suspected bad stick, with one that works for awhile (in the same RAM slot & tested with Memtest), then put the suspected bad one back in the same RAM slot, and Memtest fails, I'd say it was a bad stick. OWC might test it again ... but get them to replace it, as long as you have its serial number, you're good for replacement, AFAIK. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:28 PM, insightinmind wrote: > I believe every time your replace a RAM stick, you need to zap the > PRAM. I just upgraded my RAM on my Macbook- and have done it before. I've never zapped the PRAM and my computer is totally stable and SO rockin' fast! I'm not sure that you always have to zap the PRAM? Do you mean just for the pre-Intel processors on this list? I still have changed G4 iBook RAM many times before without needing to zap the PRAM. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
On Jan 1, 2009, at 5:28 PM, insightinmind wrote: > IMO, If you replaced the suspected bad stick, with one that works for > awhile (in the same RAM slot & tested with Memtest), then put the > suspected bad one back in the same RAM slot, and Memtest fails, I'd > say it was a bad stick. Hey, there - I didn't test the good old 256 stick yet - just the suspect 512. It seems better at the moment, no crashes yet (about 15 mins and several programs open). Sometimes fooling around with things gets them to work. I'll check out the PRAM. I thought the PPCs didn't need to do that anymore, that was just the older machines. Guess I stand corrected. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: > > On Jan 1, 2009, at 5:28 PM, insightinmind wrote: >> IMO, If you replaced the suspected bad stick, with one that works for >> awhile (in the same RAM slot & tested with Memtest), then put the >> suspected bad one back in the same RAM slot, and Memtest fails, I'd >> say it was a bad stick. > > Hey, there - I didn't test the good old 256 stick yet - just the > suspect > 512. It seems better at the moment, no crashes yet (about 15 mins > and several programs open). Better to test by pulling the 256 out too. When you change where memory is you change if and what might cause problems. The problem could be in the 256 but having the 512 in makes it noticeable. Simply put if the memory error is a single bit or byte and you change things around that byte may end up holding information that is rarely used or won't cause noticeable problems. I've had it happen before. It really helps to have several several sticks of each side so you can swap say one 512 Mb for another. Then when one causes failure and the other doesn't you can at least be sure the one that causes failure is bad. You can't be certain the other one is good, it may just not cause noticeable problems. > > Sometimes fooling around with things gets them to work. > > I'll check out the PRAM. I thought the PPCs didn't need to do that > anymore, that was just the older machines. Guess I stand > corrected. > There is precious little used in the PRAM anymore. What you do need to do when changing memory is push the button to reset the CUDA button on those machines that have it. I don't know off hand which do and don't. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
On Jan 1, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Clark Martin wrote: > > > > What you do need to do when changing memory is push the button to > reset the CUDA button on those machines that have it. I don't know > off hand which do and don't. Could also just remove battery for a few minutes (Apple suggested 10). Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
On Jan 1, 2009, at 4:35 PM, g3-5-list group wrote: > == 1 of 1 == > Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 1:33 pm > From: Anne Keller-Smith > > Is it time to contact OWC for a replacement or is there something > else to do? Oh, right, look in System logs. Hi Anne: I would call OWC, describe what you've done, run through any additional protocol they may have, and they will likely exchange with little or no quibble. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
> From: Anne Keller-Smith > > Yanked the stick, put old one back in, Mac worked fine for several > days. Just reinstalled the stick, made sure well seated, made sure no > dust with newly purchased air can. > > In two minutes, Firefox crashed yet again. That would be enough for me to conclude it is the stick. -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
On Jan 1, 2009, at 10:07 PM, g3-5-list group wrote: > > > == 12 of 17 == > Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 5:09 pm > From: Anne Keller-Smith > > > > On Jan 1, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Al Poulin wrote: >> Hi Anne: >> >> I would call OWC, describe what you've done, run through any >> additional protocol they may have, and they will likely exchange with >> little or no quibble. >> >> Al Poulin > > Happy New Year Al! > > Since I guess I won't call OWC until tomorrow (you suggest using > the telephone as opposed to email?) do you think I should look for > the CUDA button or yank the battery? Or leave well enough alone? Anne: You might go the extra round with the CUDA, battery trick, and PRAM reset and then call with a bit of exasperation in your voice. Or, just call and ask "What else do you want me to do?" Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
I reset the PRAM, no change, just more flaky behavior. While putting the old stick back in, I removed the battery for about 5 minutes, then stuck it back in. CUDA is a mystery to me. Guess off to the Apple site. On Jan 1, 2009, at 10:24 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > > > On Jan 1, 2009, at 10:07 PM, g3-5-list group wrote: >> >> >> == 12 of 17 == >> Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 5:09 pm >> From: Anne Keller-Smith >> >> >> >> On Jan 1, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Al Poulin wrote: >>> Hi Anne: >>> >>> I would call OWC, describe what you've done, run through any >>> additional protocol they may have, and they will likely exchange >>> with >>> little or no quibble. >>> >>> Al Poulin >> >> Happy New Year Al! >> >> Since I guess I won't call OWC until tomorrow (you suggest using >> the telephone as opposed to email?) do you think I should look for >> the CUDA button or yank the battery? Or leave well enough alone? > > Anne: > > You might go the extra round with the CUDA, battery trick, and PRAM > reset and then call with a bit of exasperation in your voice. Or, > just call and ask "What else do you want me to do?" > > Al Poulin > > > > > Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:28 PM, insightinmind wrote: >> >> Did not yet zap the pram, etc. because things be fine with the old >> chip. > > I believe every time your replace a RAM stick, you need to zap the > PRAM. No you don't. -- Bruce Johnson "No matter where you go, there you are", B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...
On Jan 2, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:28 PM, insightinmind wrote: > >>> >>> Did not yet zap the pram, etc. because things be fine with the old >>> chip. >> >> I believe every time your replace a RAM stick, you need to zap the >> PRAM. > > No you don't. That's good to know. Nevertheless, doesn't that force a RAM Check at Startup in PPCs if you do? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bad RAM Stick? Done them tests ...- addendum PRAM ZAP post RAM upgrade?
On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: > I'll check out the PRAM. I thought the PPCs didn't need to do that > anymore, that was just the older machines. Guess I stand > corrected. The PRAM point appears debatable (and my personal experience shows no need in a Macbook but that's not this list): http://forums.cnet.com/5208-4_102-0.html?threadID=54735 http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1051823&tstart=855 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=89736&page=4 There's a lot less stored in PRAM in OS X: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1242 The old Apple support document lists virtual RAM and RAM disk and disk cache and 32-bit addressing as being stored in PRAM which hints at the connection to newly installed RAM but the connection to the hardware itself is not clearly stated: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379?viewlocale=en_US --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
