Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Al Poulin wrote:
>
> On Jul 28, 6:19 am, Bill Connelly wrote:
>>
>> I would suggest not using the Block Level Copy, but use the File Level
>> one.
>
> I agree.
>>
>> If you Block Level Copy a 60GB to a 750GB, the 750GB will look like a
>> 60GB hard drive.
>
> So much so, that it will copy any bad blocks that are on the old
> drive, which you do not want to do.
>>
>> I think I have the terminology correct ... read up on it ... the CCC
>> documentation is pretty good.
>
> You invoke File Level by selecting Incremental Backup. For this drill
> there is no need for the options to "Delete items that don't exist on
> the source" and "Archive modified and deleted items". But you may
> want to use these options later if you decide to continue using CCC
> for your backups instead of your Prosoft.
>
> Al Poulin
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Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Jul 28, 6:19 am, Bill Connelly wrote: > > I would suggest not using the Block Level Copy, but use the File Level > one. I agree. > > If you Block Level Copy a 60GB to a 750GB, the 750GB will look like a > 60GB hard drive. So much so, that it will copy any bad blocks that are on the old drive, which you do not want to do. > > I think I have the terminology correct ... read up on it ... the CCC > documentation is pretty good. You invoke File Level by selecting Incremental Backup. For this drill there is no need for the options to "Delete items that don't exist on the source" and "Archive modified and deleted items". But you may want to use these options later if you decide to continue using CCC for your backups instead of your Prosoft. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Jul 28, 4:45 am, mkehoe wrote: > Thanks for all the responses .. I have Prosoft Data Backup software on > my computer ... is this comparable to Carbon Copy Cloner for cloning, No, but a comparable product is SuperDuper which you buy. CCC is donation ware, and I was very happy to send in the bucks comparable to the cost of SuperDuper. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:45 AM, mkehoe wrote: > > Thanks for all the responses .. I have Prosoft Data Backup software on > my computer ... is this comparable to Carbon Copy Cloner for cloning, > or should I use CCC? I have 10.4.11 OS (Tiger) on my Power Mac G4. > > On Jul 27, 3:09 pm, McGrude wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, mkehoe wrote: >> >>> Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G >>> (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867? I would like >>> to >>> create a clone on a larger drive, maybe 750G. Would it work to >>> clone >>> the 60G to an 750 internal drive temporarily enclosed in a case, >>> then >>> take out the 60G, replace it with the 750G clone, and boot up using >>> this drive? >> >> Take a look at Carbon Copy Cloner. If it works correctly you should >> be able to easily make the copy and swap the drives. >> >> http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html I've successfully used CCC 3.2.1 many times under Tiger and Leopard. I would suggest not using the Block Level Copy, but use the File Level one. If you Block Level Copy a 60GB to a 750GB, the 750GB will look like a 60GB hard drive. Don't know why this is, or where the remaining space "goes", but a File Level copy ends up with the 750GB drive with the 60GB's contents. I assume you only have one partition on the 60GB one? I think I have the terminology correct ... read up on it ... the CCC documentation is pretty good. If you have more than one partition on the 60GB Source, I would suggest a file level copy of each partition, to larger partitions on the 750GB one, since you're expanding. I went from a 500GB one to a 750GB. And later from the 500GB to a 1TB SATA, and have 5 partitions on the Source and Targets: OS X Leopard, OS X Tiger, Classic 9.2.2, Apps, Docs. All successfully being used now. Good luck. Experiment. As long as you don't erase the 60GB Source drive, you can always try again, zeroing out the Target with Disk Utility. Make sure you don't have "Ignore Ownership on this volume" checked on any of the Source partitions prior to cloning ... it will ignore the Ownership and Permissions and not copy them to the Target. You see this at the bottom of the "Get Info" window on a partition, I think its only on partitions (volumes) that are non-OS X ones. I think this is correct ... please read the documentation ... my memory isn't 100%. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
Thanks for all the responses .. I have Prosoft Data Backup software on my computer ... is this comparable to Carbon Copy Cloner for cloning, or should I use CCC? I have 10.4.11 OS (Tiger) on my Power Mac G4. On Jul 27, 3:09 pm, McGrude wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, mkehoe wrote: > > > Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G > > (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867? I would like to > > create a clone on a larger drive, maybe 750G. Would it work to clone > > the 60G to an 750 internal drive temporarily enclosed in a case, then > > take out the 60G, replace it with the 750G clone, and boot up using > > this drive? > > Take a look at Carbon Copy Cloner. If it works correctly you should > be able to easily make the copy and swap the drives. > > http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Jul 27, 2009, at 7:03 PM, John Martz wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mkehoe wrote: >> Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G >> (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867? > > If you are using Leopard you can simply use the Disk Utility to > copy/clone your parititon(s). That's what I did when I moved my > MacBook to a larger hard drive. > > Of course, the feature you use isn't called for "copy" but "restore". > But if you specify your old drive as the source and your new one as > the destination you'll get the desired result. > > -irrational john CCC is much more reliable. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:09 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: > CCC is much more reliable. I can't refute or confirm that because I only have experience using the Leopard Disk Utility on an Intel MacBook. In my case, I connected the drives, did the copy, then booted from the destination drive. It seems reliable ... and painless ... enough to me. In what way is the Leopard Disk Utility less reliable? Are there are issues using Leopard's Disk Utility on the older PPC Macs that I'm not aware of ... ??? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
>>From: John Martz On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mkehoe wrote: > Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G > (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867? If you are using Leopard you can simply use the Disk Utility to copy/clone your parititon(s). That's what I did when I moved my MacBook to a larger hard drive. Of course, the feature you use isn't called for "copy" but "restore". But if you specify your old drive as the source and your new one as the destination you'll get the desired result. << I don't know if this is different on OSX 10.5, but I just did _exactly_ this on 10.4 and the copy ended up as a non-bootable disk, rife with permissions errors. Many hours spent with Disk Doctor and Disk Utility on the 10.4 install DVD got things back to a workable state. I'd use CCC or similar (Ghost?) instead. -Jim G -- jimg at yojimg dot net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mkehoe wrote: > Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G > (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867? If you are using Leopard you can simply use the Disk Utility to copy/clone your parititon(s). That's what I did when I moved my MacBook to a larger hard drive. Of course, the feature you use isn't called for "copy" but "restore". But if you specify your old drive as the source and your new one as the destination you'll get the desired result. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Jul 27, 2009, at 12:42 PM, mkehoe wrote: > Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G > (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867? I would like to > create a clone on a larger drive, maybe 750G. Use CCC, and you should be good to go. The MDD has no issues with LBA48, and CCC can clone to a larger drive. If you get the CCC message with the green dot which says "target will be made bootable" you should get an exact clone of your source, and you should be able to physically exchange the drives and reboot back into what you had before. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, mkehoe wrote: > > Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G > (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867? I would like to > create a clone on a larger drive, maybe 750G. Would it work to clone > the 60G to an 750 internal drive temporarily enclosed in a case, then > take out the 60G, replace it with the 750G clone, and boot up using > this drive? Take a look at Carbon Copy Cloner. If it works correctly you should be able to easily make the copy and swap the drives. http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867? I would like to create a clone on a larger drive, maybe 750G. Would it work to clone the 60G to an 750 internal drive temporarily enclosed in a case, then take out the 60G, replace it with the 750G clone, and boot up using this drive? Any concerns or things to be aware of? Will the new 750G clone automatically be named Macintosh HD? Will this new drive be able to connect to the( iTunes drive) without losing the playlists, etc.? My large iTunes library is on another internal drive (iTunes drive), and this new boot-up drive would have the iTunes application. Do you foresee any problem with the communication between the two? The path has worked fine with the current set-up on the 60G drive communicating with the iTunes drive. Thanks for any advice. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
