Re: Cube speed
On May 25, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Vic wrote: Can you explain the exact method of doing this, I read a page from Operator HeadGap on this but it seems vague at best, I'll have an extra 2 450 MHz boards in a couple of days that I could try it on:-) Sure, it's best explained here:http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/ DA_CPU_in_Sawtooth/DA_CPU_mods.html Hope that helps. -Hal Don't forget to add a fan -- overclocking means extra heat. V Mabus Yeah I have a couple of fans this will be a project for me. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
> > Can you explain the exact method of doing this, I read a page from Operator > > HeadGap on this but it seems vague at best, I'll have an extra 2 450 MHz > > boards in a couple of days that I could try it on:-) > > Sure, it's best explained > here:http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/DA_CPU_in_Sawtooth/DA_CPU_mods.html > > Hope that helps. > -Hal > Don't forget to add a fan -- overclocking means extra heat. V Mabus -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
On May 24, 2010, at 1:23 PM, John Carmonne wrote: > >>> >>> The bus speed is set by the motherboard. The multiplier is set on the >>> processor card. >>> >>> In some systems, there are ways of changing the bus speed, I do not know >>> about the cube. There are also ways of changing the multiplier on some >>> stock Apple cards. HOWEVER, both these involve circuit board level >>> soldering and are not for the feint hearted. >>> >>> I am not real familiar with the cube, but because of heat issues, I would >>> not mess with these. >>> >>> IMNSHO, your best bet is to stay with either a genuine Apple processor >>> designed for the cube, or an aftermarket one designed for it. >>> >> >> This is all true, but there are some pretty simple hacks to get a little >> faster processor in the Cube. I'm running mine with a 533mHz CPU from a DA >> tower, tweaked to run at 600mHz. There is a bank of resistors on the back of >> the card that sets the multiplier. You can remove resistors with a tweezer >> and trace new connections with a circuit writer pen. It took me about 10 >> minutes to tweak my CPU to run at 600, and it's working great. I may try >> 650mhz at some point, if I get sufficiently bored. >> >> Just my $0.02. >> -Hal > > Can you explain the exact method of doing this, I read a page from Operator > HeadGap on this but it seems vague at best, I'll have an extra 2 450 MHz > boards in a couple of days that I could try it on:-) Sure, it's best explained here: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/DA_CPU_in_Sawtooth/DA_CPU_mods.html Hope that helps. -Hal -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
Be sure if you try it on a 450 MHz board that it is a 7410 series and not a 7400. The 7400 has a glitch that prevents it from running at 500 and better. Some you can hit 500 with but I wouldn't trust it due to the flaw. On May 24, 2010, at 2:23 PM, John Carmonne wrote: > > Can you explain the exact method of doing this, I read a page from Operator > HeadGap on this but it seems vague at best, I'll have an extra 2 450 MHz > boards in a couple of days that I could try it on:-) > > > John Carmonne > Yorba Linda USA > Sent from my MBP > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
>> >> The bus speed is set by the motherboard. The multiplier is set on the >> processor card. >> >> In some systems, there are ways of changing the bus speed, I do not know >> about the cube. There are also ways of changing the multiplier on some stock >> Apple cards. HOWEVER, both these involve circuit board level soldering and >> are not for the feint hearted. >> >> I am not real familiar with the cube, but because of heat issues, I would >> not mess with these. >> >> IMNSHO, your best bet is to stay with either a genuine Apple processor >> designed for the cube, or an aftermarket one designed for it. >> > > This is all true, but there are some pretty simple hacks to get a little > faster processor in the Cube. I'm running mine with a 533mHz CPU from a DA > tower, tweaked to run at 600mHz. There is a bank of resistors on the back of > the card that sets the multiplier. You can remove resistors with a tweezer > and trace new connections with a circuit writer pen. It took me about 10 > minutes to tweak my CPU to run at 600, and it's working great. I may try > 650mhz at some point, if I get sufficiently bored. > > Just my $0.02. > -Hal Can you explain the exact method of doing this, I read a page from Operator HeadGap on this but it seems vague at best, I'll have an extra 2 450 MHz boards in a couple of days that I could try it on:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
On May 23, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: > > On May 23, 2010, at 11:38 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: > >> >> On May 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: >>> John, I don't know anything about cubes, but the CPU modules get their clock speed by multiplying the bus speed so 133 x 4 = 533. If you use it with a 100MHz bus then it will operate at 400MHz! Will the cube take a dual? I have a spare dual 450MHz. >>> >> >> Where does the Bus speed come from? The logic board or the Daughter card? >> Also i have a 500 cube with a 100 Bus speed >> So your saying that 5x100= 500. What is determining the multipier in my >> Cube 500? I'm getting confused with all the things >> I'm reading, I'd hate to go to all the work to install a processor just to >> find out it's slower that the old one:-) I would think some >> of the AGP cards from the towers would work in a Cube but maybe that's why >> they get so much for the aftermarket ones. >> > > The bus speed is set by the motherboard. The multiplier is set on the > processor card. > > In some systems, there are ways of changing the bus speed, I do not know > about the cube. There are also ways of changing the multiplier on some stock > Apple cards. HOWEVER, both these involve circuit board level soldering and > are not for the feint hearted. > > I am not real familiar with the cube, but because of heat issues, I would not > mess with these. > > IMNSHO, your best bet is to stay with either a genuine Apple processor > designed for the cube, or an aftermarket one designed for it. > This is all true, but there are some pretty simple hacks to get a little faster processor in the Cube. I'm running mine with a 533mHz CPU from a DA tower, tweaked to run at 600mHz. There is a bank of resistors on the back of the card that sets the multiplier. You can remove resistors with a tweezer and trace new connections with a circuit writer pen. It took me about 10 minutes to tweak my CPU to run at 600, and it's working great. I may try 650mhz at some point, if I get sufficiently bored. Just my $0.02. -Hal -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Cube speed
> From: carmo...@aol.com > Subject: Cube speed > Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 05:58:36 -0700 > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > Hi All > Can I use a processor from a G4 Digital Audio in a G4 Cube. It looks > phisicaly the same but the speed CPU is 533 MHz and the Bus Speed is 133 MHz. > The 500 MHz Cube is 100 MHz Bus Speed. Also I have a Radeon 7200 card in the > Cube to run the Cinema displays 20" up. > > John Carmonne You can also get a dual 500MHz in there too John - some guy did it and posted his method on XLR8yrMac. Not a lot faster but handy when you have your Cube doing two things at once or using an app that is multi-CPU aware and better than the single CPU 5333 upgrade for sure. Some of the other stock Apple CPUs would probably work as well with some hardware mods but they are designed to run in a tower not a Cube so heat and power draw on the notoriously dicey VRM becomes an issue. Get a good fan in the bottom of the case before you do any other mods too - your Cube will thank you anyway by running cooler. Stewie _ New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Cube speed Date:Sonntag 23 Mai 2010N From:Len Gerstel To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > On May 23, 2010, at 11:38 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: > IMNSHO, your best bet is to stay with either a genuine Apple processor > designed for the cube, or an aftermarket one designed for it. The SG4-C1800 Sonnet Encore/ST 1.8 Ghz G4 is such an upgrade. Propably no longer available and much too expensive ($400 USD). Another example is the SG4-C1200-2M Sonnet Sonnet Encore/ST 1.2Ghz G4 wich is specifically for the Cube, whereas the SG4-1200-2M (without the “C”) is with a heatsink that is incompatible with the Cube. You can search the Web or start here: http://www.welovemacs.com/apcusepa.html SG4-1200-2M (not for Cube): http://www.welovemacs.com/en1g4wi2mb3l.html SG4-C1200-2M (specifically for Cube): http://www.welovemacs.com/sg4c12002m.html SG4-C1800 (for Cube, fastest I could find): http://www.welovemacs.com/sg4c1800.html Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
On May 23, 2010, at 11:38 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: John, I don't know anything about cubes, but the CPU modules get their clock speed by multiplying the bus speed so 133 x 4 = 533. If you use it with a 100MHz bus then it will operate at 400MHz! Will the cube take a dual? I have a spare dual 450MHz. Where does the Bus speed come from? The logic board or the Daughter card? Also i have a 500 cube with a 100 Bus speed So your saying that 5x100= 500. What is determining the multipier in my Cube 500? I'm getting confused with all the things I'm reading, I'd hate to go to all the work to install a processor just to find out it's slower that the old one:-) I would think some of the AGP cards from the towers would work in a Cube but maybe that's why they get so much for the aftermarket ones. The bus speed is set by the motherboard. The multiplier is set on the processor card. In some systems, there are ways of changing the bus speed, I do not know about the cube. There are also ways of changing the multiplier on some stock Apple cards. HOWEVER, both these involve circuit board level soldering and are not for the feint hearted. I am not real familiar with the cube, but because of heat issues, I would not mess with these. IMNSHO, your best bet is to stay with either a genuine Apple processor designed for the cube, or an aftermarket one designed for it. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
On May 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: John, I don't know anything about cubes, but the CPU modules get their clock speed by multiplying the bus speed so 133 x 4 = 533. If you use it with a 100MHz bus then it will operate at 400MHz! Will the cube take a dual? I have a spare dual 450MHz. Where does the Bus speed come from? The logic board or the Daughter card? Also i have a 500 cube with a 100 Bus speed So your saying that 5x100= 500. What is determining the multipier in my Cube 500? I'm getting confused with all the things I'm reading, I'd hate to go to all the work to install a processor just to find out it's slower that the old one:-) I would think some of the AGP cards from the towers would work in a Cube but maybe that's why they get so much for the aftermarket ones. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Cube speed Date:Sonntag 23 Mai 2010N From:John Niven To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" > John, I don't know anything about cubes, but the CPU modules get their > clock speed by multiplying the bus speed so 133 x 4 = 533. If you use it > with a 100MHz bus then it will operate at 400MHz! > > Will the cube take a dual? I have a spare dual 450MHz. I don't know much about Cubes either, but I think the problem will be the heat sink. Considering only the processor socket it should work, as they are compatbile. The bus speed and the multipliers have to be taken into account though, like you did. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
John, I don't know anything about cubes, but the CPU modules get their clock speed by multiplying the bus speed so 133 x 4 = 533. If you use it with a 100MHz bus then it will operate at 400MHz! Will the cube take a dual? I have a spare dual 450MHz. Sent from my iPad On May 23, 2010, at 7:58 AM, John Carmonne wrote: Hi All Can I use a processor from a G4 Digital Audio in a G4 Cube. It looks phisicaly the same but the speed CPU is 533 MHz and the Bus Speed is 133 MHz. The 500 MHz Cube is 100 MHz Bus Speed. Also I have a Radeon 7200 card in the Cube to run the Cinema displays 20" up. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Cube speed
Hi All Can I use a processor from a G4 Digital Audio in a G4 Cube. It looks phisicaly the same but the speed CPU is 533 MHz and the Bus Speed is 133 MHz. The 500 MHz Cube is 100 MHz Bus Speed. Also I have a Radeon 7200 card in the Cube to run the Cinema displays 20" up. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
