subject:"Firewire hard drives not mounting"



Joe, I ran DiskWarrior and it didn't see the FireWire disks either. I
then used it to rebuild the disk directory of my own hard disk (no big
problems noted), and afterward my own computer still didn't see the
FireWire drive.

I also downloaded the LaCie firmware updater. It didn't see the
FireWire drive, and reported there were 0 devices available to update.

FYI, this is the exact identity of my FireWire drive (with a 320GB
Seagate now stuffed into it). It was originally a 120 GB until the
original HD (a Western Digital, if I recall) died.

http://www.buy.com/prod/lacie-300511-d2-firewire-hard-drive-120-gb-7200-rpm-2-mb/q/loc/101/10328113.html

   --Tony

 You said you ran DiskWarrior and nothing.  What do you mean? Did it
 rebuild the disk directory or did it report a problem preventing you
 from doing that?


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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting



Joe, I ran DiskWarrior and it didn't see the FireWire disks either. I
then used it to rebuild the disk directory of my own hard disk (no big
problems noted), and afterward my own computer still didn't see the
FireWire drive.

I also downloaded the LaCie firmware updater. It didn't see the
FireWire drive, and reported there were 0 devices available to update.

FYI, this is the exact identity of my FireWire drive (with a 320GB
Seagate now stuffed into it). It was originally a 120 GB until the
original HD (a Western Digital, if I recall) died.

http://www.buy.com/prod/lacie-300511-d2-firewire-hard-drive-120-gb-7200-rpm-2-mb/q/loc/101/10328113.html

   --Tony

 You said you ran DiskWarrior and nothing.  What do you mean? Did it
 rebuild the disk directory or did it report a problem preventing you
 from doing that?


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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-02 Thread Clark Martin

tonycd wrote:

Joe, I ran DiskWarrior and it didn't see the FireWire disks either. I
then used it to rebuild the disk directory of my own hard disk (no big
problems noted), and afterward my own computer still didn't see the
FireWire drive.

I also downloaded the LaCie firmware updater. It didn't see the
FireWire drive, and reported there were 0 devices available to update.

FYI, this is the exact identity of my FireWire drive (with a 320GB
Seagate now stuffed into it). It was originally a 120 GB until the
original HD (a Western Digital, if I recall) died.

Try running System Profiler and look under FireWire. If it shows up the
FW interface but not the drive it sounds like a problem with the drive.

If it doesn't show up the interface then that or your FW connections are
the problem.

http://www.buy.com/prod/lacie-300511-d2-firewire-hard-drive-120-gb-7200-rpm-2-mb/q/loc/101/10328113.html

--Tony

You said you ran DiskWarrior and nothing. What do you mean? Did it
rebuild the disk directory or did it report a problem preventing you
from doing that?

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting



  Joe, I ran DiskWarrior and it didn't see the FireWire disks either. I
  then used it to rebuild the disk directory of my own hard disk (no big
  problems noted), and afterward my own computer still didn't see the
  FireWire drive.


 Try running System Profiler and look under FireWire.  If it shows up the
   FW interface but not the drive it sounds like a problem with the drive.

 If it doesn't show up the interface then that or your FW connections are
 the problem.



Clark, my System Profiler does not show the presence of the FireWire
drive.
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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-02 Thread Clark Martin


tonycd wrote:
 
 Joe, I ran DiskWarrior and it didn't see the FireWire disks either. I
 then used it to rebuild the disk directory of my own hard disk (no big
 problems noted), and afterward my own computer still didn't see the
 FireWire drive.

 Try running System Profiler and look under FireWire.  If it shows up the
   FW interface but not the drive it sounds like a problem with the drive.

 If it doesn't show up the interface then that or your FW connections are
 the problem.


 
 Clark, my System Profiler does not show the presence of the FireWire
 drive.

Then you need to check your computer's FW port, the cable and the drive 
by swapping out each element with other devices.


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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting





 Then you need to check your computer's FW port, the cable and the drive
 by swapping out each element with other devices.


The cable and the port are both known good. Is the enclosure
automatically irreparable?
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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-02 Thread Yersinia


Wallace Adrian D'Alessio writes,

Probably an unlikely cause but did you try cleaning your FW ports with an
old toothbrush and alcohol?

No, but next time my BF talks about coming down for a visit I'll ask him 
to bring a working FW cable with him and do it, then try again.

Also did you try connecting the drive to your BF computer?

U, no. His Mac (dual 1 GHz G4 Quicksilver) is 300 miles away. But I 
WAS totally stupid not to even THINK to try with my iBook, which lives in 
the next room so is easy to carry in here! 

:blush:

But no matter what the result of trying it again after cleaning the FW 
ports, this time I'll also remember to bring in the iBook!

Mel writes,

The answer might be contained in this:

so he could put the original NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video 
card back in and hook up a second monitor on it (not to mention a major 
area cleanup-desk reorganization and reworking the spaghetti).

Try removing the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video card and re-booting.

This is (a) not physically possible for me to do myself (my BF installs 
all my upgrades for me because my left hand is partly paralyzed and I'm 
mechanically inept), and even if he was here right now, (b) it's not even 
an option anymore. Removing the NVIDIA would mean not being able to use 
the second monitor anymore! I had originally asked him to remove the 
NVIDIA last year (Feb 2008) because I had bought a Radeon 9200 which I 
thought would be better, so he took the NVIDIA out and installed the 
Radeonit only made a marginal difference, but I kept it in there 
anyway, didn't bother him to switch back. Later on in the year I realized 
I actually had a good reason to have 2 monitors on the G4 (an idea I 
actually got from him -- when I visited him in the summer, I saw he had 
*3* monitors on HIS G4, but it took me awhile to figure out why I'D want 
more than the one I had!). But, for me to have 2 monitors, I had to have 
2 video cards -- so I kept the Radeon where it was and asked him to put 
the NVIDIA in another slot and hook the second monitor up. He did, and I 
love having the two monitors. And what do video cards and monitors have 
to do with external Firewire anyway? 

Nestamicky writes,

Let me please add, suggests, etc the following.

Firewire is perhaps so named because there is fire on that cable. So 
knowing this, here is how I have always shut mine down.
1. Eject the HD
2. Walk over to the external case and turn it's switch off.
3. Turn the computer off.
I never ever shut the machine down while the external case is running 
with the HD in it. Never. I have always simply thought something can go 
wrong. I don't do this as much with USBs but with Firewire.

Bruce writes,

Firewire is actually very robust...robust enough that you can start a  
file transfer, unplug the cable, count to five, plug it back in and  
the transfer will continue, in many cases, unless the OS determines  
that the volume is gone. I remember the reviewers at MAcWorld doing  
this at the beginning of the FW era (this was in OS 9).

I'm thinking that flaky disks in flaky external FW cases are largely  
to blame, there's a lot of cheap corner-cut gear out there.

I've never had an issue with FW drives being on when the computer is  
shut off...other than my wife yells at me You left something on! I  
can hear something humming under that pile of stuff on your desk! 8-)

H.yeah, we shut my FW drive off too when we shut down for the 
NVIDIA reinstallation. I never used to shut it off otherwise though (and 
it never kept my BF up at night when he's here hahaha!), and shutting 
down the G4 is something I only do infrequently, when it's necessary -- 
like trying to reboot it in OS 9 when I'm in THAT wrestling match, which 
I'll actually be doing soon, iBook Rebuild gave me an idea for another 
experiment to try when I get in the mood (probably voodoo but I'll try 
anyway since I'm still at a total loss!) -- or so my BF can install 
something for mewe don't mind a little humming around here!  ;-)

Anyway, Bruce, this would bring us back to your flaky external FW cases 
idea (I know the HD inside the case is good because I've been using it 
with USB to maintain my backups since the FW went down)...and that makes 
more sense to me than Nestamicky's suggestion (Nesta, IMO you should be 
more careful about ejecting USB stuff when you unplug it -- I've 
occasionally gotten angry dialog boxes at times even though I DID eject 
prior to pulling a flash drive out)...although Wallace's suggestion of 
cleaning the FW port sounds good too -- even if I can't operate on my G4, 
I can handle alcohol and a toothbrush. I know dirt can be bad for 
equipment, and my apartment is definitely not Martha Stewart!

Thanks all for your comments and suggestions.  :-)

~Yersinia.




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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-02 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:01 PM, tonycd tonyl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:





  Then you need to check your computer's FW port, the cable and the drive
  by swapping out each element with other devices.
 

 The cable and the port are both known good. Is the enclosure
 automatically irreparable?
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The hard drive interface card that handles to IDE / FW interpretation may
be. But eliminate all other possibilities before you toss it.

Are you sure all cables and ends are undamaged and squeaky clean?
Are the ports on the machine squeaky clean?

Is it under warranty?

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-02 Thread Clark Martin


tonycd wrote:
 
 
 
 Then you need to check your computer's FW port, the cable and the drive
 by swapping out each element with other devices.

 
 The cable and the port are both known good. Is the enclosure
 automatically irreparable?

Pretty much.  Assuming it has an external power supply, that would be 
something to check.  Otherwise the fault is in the FW / IDE interface 
board inside the enclosure and there is likely nothing there to fix.

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-02 Thread Mel

Sometimes adding or changing a PCI card screws up what was working before.  You 
did replace one video card that was working with a NVIDIA card.  I'm not 
suggesting that you give up your second monitor but I am suggesting that until  
that NVIDIA is removed and you restore the card it replaced, you won't know if 
the NVIDIA card is the cause of your problem.  Ordinarily I wouldn't suggest 
this removal but you have tried quite a few other  reasonable options all to 
know avail.  

If the NVIDIA card should be the cause of your problem and since you wish to 
use two monitors, that might require a solution which would be beyond your 
current problem and would require a solution I am not qualified to offer.

Mel

--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Yersinia yersi...@cybernex.net wrote:
From: Yersinia yersi...@cybernex.net
Subject: Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
To: G-List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 3:35 PM

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio writes,

Probably an unlikely cause but did you try cleaning your FW ports with an
old toothbrush and alcohol?

No, but next time my BF talks about coming down for a visit I'll ask him 
to bring a working FW cable with him and do it, then try again.

Also did you try connecting the drive to your BF computer?

U, no. His Mac (dual 1 GHz G4 Quicksilver) is 300 miles away. But I 
WAS totally stupid not to even THINK to try with my iBook, which lives in 
the next room so is easy to carry in here! 

:blush:

But no matter what the result of trying it again after cleaning the FW 
ports, this time I'll also remember to bring in the iBook!

Mel writes,

The answer might be contained in this:

so he could put the original NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video 
card back in and hook up a second monitor on it (not to mention a major 
area cleanup-desk reorganization and reworking the
spaghetti).

Try removing the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video card and re-booting.

This is (a) not physically possible for me to do myself (my BF installs 
all my upgrades for me because my left hand is partly paralyzed and I'm 
mechanically inept), and even if he was here right now, (b) it's not even 
an option anymore. Removing the NVIDIA would mean not being able to use 
the second monitor anymore! I had originally asked him to remove the 
NVIDIA last year (Feb 2008) because I had bought a Radeon 9200 which I 
thought would be better, so he took the NVIDIA out and installed the 
Radeonit only made a marginal difference, but I kept it in there 
anyway, didn't bother him to switch back. Later on in the year I realized 
I actually had a good reason to have 2 monitors on the G4 (an idea I 
actually got from him -- when I visited him in the summer, I saw he had 
*3* monitors on HIS G4, but it took me awhile to figure out why I'D want 
more than the one I had!). But, for me to have 2 monitors, I had to have 
2 video cards -- so I kept the Radeon where it was and asked him to put 
the NVIDIA in another slot and hook the second monitor up. He did, and I 
love having the two monitors. And what do video cards and monitors have 
to do with external Firewire anyway? 

Nestamicky writes,

Let me please add, suggests, etc the following.

Firewire is perhaps so named because there is fire on that cable. So 
knowing this, here is how I have always shut mine down.
1. Eject the HD
2. Walk over to the external case and turn it's switch off.
3. Turn the computer off.
I never ever shut the machine down while the external case is running 
with the HD in it. Never. I have always simply thought something can go 
wrong. I don't do this as much with USBs but with Firewire.

Bruce writes,

Firewire is actually very robust...robust enough that you can start a  
file transfer, unplug the cable, count to five, plug it back in and  
the transfer will continue, in many cases, unless the OS determines  
that the volume is gone. I remember the reviewers at MAcWorld doing  
this at the beginning of the FW era (this was in OS 9).

I'm thinking that flaky disks in flaky external FW cases are largely  
to blame, there's a lot of cheap corner-cut gear out there.

I've never had an issue with FW drives being on when the computer is  
shut off...other than my wife yells at me You left something on! I  
can hear something humming under that pile of stuff on your desk! 8-)

H.yeah, we shut my FW drive off too when we shut down for the 
NVIDIA reinstallation. I never used to shut it off otherwise though (and 
it never kept my BF up at night when he's here hahaha!), and shutting 
down the G4 is something I only do infrequently, when it's necessary -- 
like trying to reboot it in OS 9 when I'm in THAT wrestling match, which 
I'll actually be doing soon, iBook Rebuild gave me an idea for another 
experiment to try when I get in the mood (probably voodoo but I'll try 
anyway since I'm still at a total loss!) -- or so my BF can install 
something for mewe don't mind a little humming around here!  ;-)

Anyway, Bruce

Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-02 Thread Yersinia


Mel writes,

Sometimes adding or changing a PCI card screws up what was working 
before.  You did replace one video card that was working with a NVIDIA 
card.  I'm not suggesting that you give up your second monitor but I am 
suggesting that until  that NVIDIA is removed and you restore the card it 
replaced, you won't know if the NVIDIA card is the cause of your 
problem.  Ordinarily I wouldn't suggest this removal but you have tried 
quite a few other  reasonable options all to know avail.  

If the NVIDIA card should be the cause of your problem and since you wish 
to use two monitors, that might require a solution which would be beyond 
your current problem and would require a solution I am not qualified to 
offer.

You do make an interesting point, i.e., Sometimes adding or changing a 
PCI card screws up what was working before, because it was after I got 
the Radeon video card (and maxed the RAM then too), my G4 stopped booting 
in OS 9, where it always did previously. 

The NVIDIA card is the one that actually came in my machine, but last 
year I got it into my head that a Radeon card would solve a particular 
problem, so when I bought one, my BF took the NVIDIA out and replaced it 
with the Radeon...which didn't REALLY solve my problem, but e, 
OK...so I put the NVIDIA away  Then at the end of the year when I decided 
I wanted to hook up the second monitor, I didn't see any problems with 
putting back the card which had originally come with this same 
machine.and I since I don't have to boot in OS 9 that often, I didn't 
realize THAT problem for a long time. But yes, something screwed up 
somehow before the Firewire on my external HD but only after I asked my 
BF to help me out messing with the video cards! And yes, CUDA was pressed 
at the initial installations, and later on PRAM was zapped too.

Mmmm, then again how do we know more messing around with the video cards 
might not make the problem worse instead of fixing it?!

Well, OK...next time my BF is here -- and if cleaning out the FW ports 
with toothbrush and alcohol doesn't do it -- yes, then maybe I'll try 
this. I really do need for him to do the messing around in the computer 
innards.

Thanks,

~Yersinia.



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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Bill Christensen 
billc_li...@greenbuilder.com wrote:


 I'm guessing that something changed on your boot drive so that it no
 longer properly loads the drivers or whatever needed to see the
 Firewires.

 Try running disk utility's HD repair or DiskWarrior from the CD on
 the boot drive.  (if you can see the other drives when you boot off
 the CD, that's a good sign).


I have run Disk Utility and it sees the other drive and partition, but
they are greyed-out (because they are unmounted?).  If I tell it to mount,
it does nothing.


 As others have mentioned, you may want to try Onyx (or applejack, or
 that third one which is slipping my mind right this sec) on your boot
 drive.  They'll run the standard nightly/weekly/monthly cleanup
 routines which *won't happen* if you regularly turn your machine off
 at night.   It can make a world of difference - I recommended it to a
 friend the other day who is on off-grid solar power (therefore very
 conscious about energy use and always turns everything off) and he
 reported that it was like a new machine after that.


I will do this in the future but I don't think it will help me mount my hard
drive/ partitions?



 The other possibilities are that your Firewire ports got fried, or
 that something happened like a lightning strike in the area which
 toasted both externals simultaneously.  If the above doesn't fix the
 problem, pull one open and put the drive in the machine to see what
 happens.


I thought of this but it doesn't make sense to me because the one partition
is functioning fine.




 At 6:49 PM -0800 2/28/09, Ken W wrote:
 Hi Wallace, thank you for your help, here's the info:
 
 
 What file system were they formatted in?
 They are in Journaled HFS+
 
 Do you shut it down regularly with no similar problem?
  Yes
 
 Have you mounted them to any other machines recently?
No
 
 Have you installed any new software or updates recently that may
 have files in startup or shutdown folders?
 
 No, I started to install Flash 10, but did not get through the
 process because this requires OS X 10.4 or greater.  I hope this is
 helpful.  One other thing, when I booted up before this problem, the
 computer got stuck at the grey apple screen, sat there for over 10
 minutes so I had to hard restart it.
 
 
 
 On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ken W
 mailto:ken...@gmail.comken...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9.  I have 2
 external firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB.
 The 750 has 3 partitions.  Everything was working great, but I
 powered off my computer today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is
 unmounted, and 2 of the 3 partitions on the 750 are unmounted.  Disk
 Utility can see these unmounted drives/ partitions, but can not
 mount them.
 
 What the heck?  I am not that technical with this kind of stuff.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-01 Thread Charles Davis



On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Clark Martin wrote:


 Charles Davis wrote:

 On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:33 PM, tonycd wrote:

 Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into  
 nearly
 the same exact problem.

 Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3
 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.)

 Just to try and keep things 'understandable' -


 Your External Firewire drive has 3 partitions.

 One of which boots Panther,
 One of which boots Tiger, and
 One of which boots Leopard.

 ALL of these partitions are JUST Partitions.
 There isn't ANYTHING other than the contents to define them as
 Panther, Tiger, or Leopard.

 The question is, which format is the Hard Disk?

 HFS, HFS+, or Journaled HFS+ ???

 The harddisk isn't any format, the partitions are.  You could mix HFS,
 HFS+ and FAT 32 on the same drive if you wanted to.  The harddisk  
 has a
 certain partition scheme.

 -- 
 Clark Martin
 Redwood City, CA, USA
 Macintosh / Internet Consulting

You are right Clark --- chalk it up to trying to simplify too much.

Chuck D.

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting


 I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9.  I have 2  
 external firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB.   
 The 750 has 3 partitions.  Everything was working great, but I  
 powered off my computer today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is  
 unmounted, and 2 of the 3 partitions on the 750 are unmounted.   
 Disk Utility can see these unmounted drives/ partitions, but can  
 not mount them.


I would Take It One Drive at a Time.

Sometimes onboard FW needs to be reset, but, IIRC, this would be  
indicated if nothing was being mounted.

 From a similar thread in Apple Discussions (http:// 
discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=8649537#8649537)
Tried the Firewire self resetting fuse reset? (unhook all  
accessories, shut down, take out battery and unplug AC power to wall/ 
power strip), let sit for maybe 15 minutes, then reassemble)

I would try this in conjunction with an app that rebuilds the  
directories, but not destroying file data ... I'm guessing OnyX for  
Panther is one.

Have you tried using the drives on another Mac if one is available?

Has the 128GB limit somehow come into play on the 750GB drive  
(probably not since its an external Lacie)?

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

Another thread talked about the Lacie's power bricks. Are they  
hooked up, and working properly?
(I searched Apple's Forum for reset firewire)

Maybe one of the drive's bricks (another name: wall wart) is no  
longer working, and the FW drive is trying to draw power off the  
firewire line unsuccessfully.

Really guessing in the dark, here: 2 drives ... 2 separate issues,  
maybe ... inter-related, maybe ...

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

I doubt that we are dealing with separate issues, it is the same problem
across both drives and happened simultaneously.  I also doubt this is a
firewire or power issue because, again, one of the partitions is working
fine (read/ write/ running apps).  Aside from that, these wouldn't even
power up if they had to draw power from firewire?  I've never heard of
that.  All of the partitions show up in Disk Utility but are unmounted and
unable to mount.

I am not a hard drive guru like some of the people on here with expertise
regarding formatting and whatnot, but my guess is that a system file is
corrupted?  Is this really that rare of an issue?  Should I go drop a c-note
and buy DiskWarrior?

Thanks
Ken

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:48 AM, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.netwrote:

 Another thread talked about the Lacie's power bricks. Are they hooked up,
 and working properly?(I searched Apple's Forum for reset firewire)

 Maybe one of the drive's bricks (another name: wall wart) is no longer
 working, and the FW drive is trying to draw power off the firewire line
 unsuccessfully.

 Really guessing in the dark, here: 2 drives ... 2 separate issues, maybe
 ... inter-related, maybe ...


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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

I might wait for some more comments from others before buying any  
software ...

I'm not one of the LEM gurus, but will wait for a response from one  
of them.

I thought OnyX and AppleJack did a respectable job of fixing  
things, directory-wise, if that's what the problem is ...

Guru responses needed here ...

Sorry I could not be of any help.

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-01 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote:

 I doubt that we are dealing with separate issues, it is the same problem
 across both drives and happened simultaneously.  I also doubt this is a
 firewire or power issue because, again, one of the partitions is working
 fine (read/ write/ running apps).  Aside from that, these wouldn't even
 power up if they had to draw power from firewire?  I've never heard of
 that.  All of the partitions show up in Disk Utility but are unmounted and
 unable to mount.

 I am not a hard drive guru like some of the people on here with expertise
 regarding formatting and whatnot, but my guess is that a system file is
 corrupted?  Is this really that rare of an issue?  Should I go drop a c-note
 and buy DiskWarrior?


 


After what you have said here I agree the next place to look is a corrupted
file or block.

Why not join the swap list and ask for Disk Warrior in a want to buy WTB
subject line?
Probably save some if on a budget.

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-01 Thread Bruce Johnson



On Mar 1, 2009, at 8:05 AM, insightinmind wrote:


 I thought OnyX and AppleJack did a respectable job of fixing
 things, directory-wise, if that's what the problem is ...

Onyx and Applejack don't do anything for fixing directory structures,  
that is the province of DiskWarrior.

Ken, you said Disk Utility could see them, what happened when you  
tried to repair them?

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Bruce Johnson
john...@pharmacy.arizona.eduwrote:


 Ken, you said Disk Utility could see them, what happened when you
 tried to repair them?


I can verify or repair them, and it says that they are OK.  But I click
Mount and nothing happens.  In Disk Utility there is no information for
the unmounted partitions/ drive, only saying that they are unmounted and
what size they are...

Unless anyone thinks it would not solve the problem I am planning on buying
and running DiskWarrior.  The general consensus seems to be that this is a
worthwhile utility to own.

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

As a follow up, DiskWarrior did repair the problems.  With the 80 GB
external, it was able to go through the entire process of replacing the disk
directory, but had an error at the end clearing the journal and told me to
contact tech support.  I restarted and ran disk utility, verified and
repaired and it mounted fine.  I ran DiskWarrior again on the drive and it
had one item that it fixed and so far so good.

Thanks for your help Wallace and Joe.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Cyrus callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote:


 Yes, DiskWarrior is a very handy utility to own. I have resurrected
 many a corrupted HD that Disk Utility won't fix. It also has an OS9
 utility, which works well also. I wish I had the new version for Intel
 macs... I'd say go for it.


 -Cyrus


 On Mar 1, 10:58 am, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Bruce Johnson
  john...@pharmacy.arizona.eduwrote:
 
 
 
   Ken, you said Disk Utility could see them, what happened when you
   tried to repair them?
 
  I can verify or repair them, and it says that they are OK.  But I click
  Mount and nothing happens.  In Disk Utility there is no information for
  the unmounted partitions/ drive, only saying that they are unmounted and
  what size they are...
 
  Unless anyone thinks it would not solve the problem I am planning on
 buying
  and running DiskWarrior.  The general consensus seems to be that this is
 a
  worthwhile utility to own.
 


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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-01 Thread joe


On Mar 1, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Ken W wrote:

 As a follow up, DiskWarrior did repair the problems.  With the 80  
 GB external, it was able to go through the entire process of  
 replacing the disk directory, but had an error at the end clearing  
 the journal and told me to contact tech support.  I restarted and  
 ran disk utility, verified and repaired and it mounted fine.  I ran  
 DiskWarrior again on the drive and it had one item that it fixed  
 and so far so good.

 Thanks for your help Wallace and Joe.

DW saved my butt on more than one occasion already.

I try to keep a current backup on a firewire drive myself, but when  
everything's hunky-dory, it's really hard to realize that it is an  
important use of time, so invariably when something's gone wrong, DW  
rescued me.  I had one very scary time when it said there was  
something wrong with the hardware besides having a bad directory  
file.  It took many hours to rebuild the file, but I was able to get  
everything I needed back and safely onto a new drive.

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting



I temporarily stayed off the board until Ken's problem was solved. I'm
glad for him, but mine still isn't.

I did the daily, weekly and monthly cleanup chores (MacJanitor was my
tool of choice). I ran DiskWarrior 3.0.3 for Tiger. Nothing.

I tried the external drive on a Blue  White. It didn't recognize it
either.

I pulled the drive from the FireWire case and popped it into the Blue
 White, replacing its resident IDE drive. (I didn't want to mess with
my G4 because it has a firmware upgrade for its transplant CPU. No
sense tempting fate.) The hard drive spun up the Blue  White
perfectly, displaying two of its three partitions.

Obviously the failure to display all three is an eyebrow-raiser. The
drive is a very low-mileage, late-model Seagate 320. I know Seagates
and Maxtors (same maker) have had trouble lately, but I also know this
has been especially true on a line of much larger drives that doesn't
include this one. (The partition that wasn't recognized has Leopard on
it from a MacBook. Is it possible the partition didn't show up in a
Smurf because the machine can't run Leopard?)







On Feb 28, 9:54 pm, tonycd tonyl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Thanks, Joe. I have a Quicksilver 867 upgraded to 1.5ghz, running
 Tiger.

 I've tried booting from an OS 9 CD (wouldn't boot), and a Norton CD
 (ditto). Tech Tool Deluxe couldn't see any of the three partitions,
 either.

 My question: If I somehow failed to trash the desktop disk icons on my
 last use, which I know is the usual cause for this problem, and
 therefore fried the B Tree, which I read is the consequence of such
 misbehavior, is that damage in the FireWire case or the hard drive
 itself? (If the latter, obviously the exercise of disassembling the
 FireWire drive -- although I know how, and have done it before --
 wouldn't be worth the exertion.)

 My usual HD is running fine. I'm just trying to keep my backup tools
 working as preventive medicine. If this exercise did confirm that the
 FireWire case was the problem, would it help me in any way except to
 confirm I needed a new FireWire case?



  I'm not sure what computer you have, but if it's a Sawtooth, you
  could try opening the case and plugging the external drive into the
  internal FW port on the motherboard.

  You could also try taking the drive itself out of the FW case and
  attaching it to one of the IDE buses.

 On Feb 28, 9:29 pm, joe j...@joethejuggler.com wrote:

  On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:19 PM, tonycd wrote:

   Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly
   the same exact problem.

   Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3
   partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This
   time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in
   Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like
   it's running normally.

   Uh-oh.

  --Tony
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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting



I temporarily stayed off the board until Ken's problem was solved. I'm
glad for him, but mine still isn't.

I did the daily, weekly and monthly cleanup chores (MacJanitor was my
tool of choice). I ran DiskWarrior 3.0.3 for Tiger. Nothing.

I tried the external drive on a Blue  White. It didn't recognize it
either.

I pulled the drive from the FireWire case and popped it into the Blue
 White, replacing its resident IDE drive. (I didn't want to mess with
my G4 because it has a firmware upgrade for its transplant CPU. No
sense tempting fate.) The hard drive spun up the Blue  White
perfectly, displaying two of its three partitions.

Obviously the failure to display all three is an eyebrow-raiser. The
drive is a very low-mileage, late-model Seagate 320. I know Seagates
and Maxtors (same maker) have had trouble lately, but I also know this
has been especially true on a line of much larger drives that doesn't
include this one. (The partition that wasn't recognized has Leopard on
it from a MacBook. Is it possible the partition didn't show up in a
Smurf because the machine can't run Leopard?)







On Feb 28, 9:54 pm, tonycd tonyl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Thanks, Joe. I have a Quicksilver 867 upgraded to 1.5ghz, running
 Tiger.

 I've tried booting from an OS 9 CD (wouldn't boot), and a Norton CD
 (ditto). Tech Tool Deluxe couldn't see any of the three partitions,
 either.

 My question: If I somehow failed to trash the desktop disk icons on my
 last use, which I know is the usual cause for this problem, and
 therefore fried the B Tree, which I read is the consequence of such
 misbehavior, is that damage in the FireWire case or the hard drive
 itself? (If the latter, obviously the exercise of disassembling the
 FireWire drive -- although I know how, and have done it before --
 wouldn't be worth the exertion.)

 My usual HD is running fine. I'm just trying to keep my backup tools
 working as preventive medicine. If this exercise did confirm that the
 FireWire case was the problem, would it help me in any way except to
 confirm I needed a new FireWire case?



  I'm not sure what computer you have, but if it's a Sawtooth, you
  could try opening the case and plugging the external drive into the
  internal FW port on the motherboard.

  You could also try taking the drive itself out of the FW case and
  attaching it to one of the IDE buses.

 On Feb 28, 9:29 pm, joe j...@joethejuggler.com wrote:

  On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:19 PM, tonycd wrote:

   Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly
   the same exact problem.

   Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3
   partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This
   time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in
   Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like
   it's running normally.

   Uh-oh.

  --Tony
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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-01 Thread Kris Tilford


On Mar 1, 2009, at 4:30 PM, tonycd wrote:

 Obviously the failure to display all three is an eyebrow-raiser. The
 drive is a very low-mileage, late-model Seagate 320. I know Seagates
 and Maxtors (same maker) have had trouble lately, but I also know this
 has been especially true on a line of much larger drives that doesn't
 include this one. (The partition that wasn't recognized has Leopard on
 it from a MacBook. Is it possible the partition didn't show up in a
 Smurf because the machine can't run Leopard?)

Isn't this because of the 128GB limitation of the BW?

If one of those two partitions crosses the limit, DON'T WRITE ANYTHING  
TO IT, you may wreck both partitions. You can install Overdrive to  
safely mount and write to all partitions:

http://mac.profusehost.net/overdrive/index.html

Or alternatively there is Intech Hi-Cap extension, or use the Open  
Firmware commands here:
http://nanchatte.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/128gb-large-hdd-lba48-support-on-the-g4-cube-with-leopard/
 
 


It's starting to sound like something's wrong with the enclosure? What  
chipset does the enclosure use, and have you checked for firmware  
updates for the enclosure?


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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting


First, my apologies on a boo-boo. The partition that's invisible is
not the Leopard one--that shows. Ironically, it's the Panther one.

As for the enclosure, it's one of those gray LaCie standup models with
the blue headlight. It looks like the modern ones, but it was sold
several years ago as a 120 or 180 GB and has my replacement 320 popped
into it. It did work fine for a considerable while, though. Sorry I
don't have a model number to give you, but I had to tear off the only
ID in order to access the upper of the case screws.

On Mar 1, 4:42 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:
 On Mar 1, 2009, at 4:30 PM, tonycd wrote:

  Obviously the failure to display all three is an eyebrow-raiser. The
  drive is a very low-mileage, late-model Seagate 320. I know Seagates
  and Maxtors (same maker) have had trouble lately, but I also know this
  has been especially true on a line of much larger drives that doesn't
  include this one. (The partition that wasn't recognized has Leopard on
  it from a MacBook. Is it possible the partition didn't show up in a
  Smurf because the machine can't run Leopard?)

 Isn't this because of the 128GB limitation of the BW?

 If one of those two partitions crosses the limit, DON'T WRITE ANYTHING
 TO IT, you may wreck both partitions. You can install Overdrive to
 safely mount and write to all partitions:

 http://mac.profusehost.net/overdrive/index.html

 Or alternatively there is Intech Hi-Cap extension, or use the Open
 Firmware commands here:
 http://nanchatte.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/128gb-large-hdd-lba48-suppo...
  

 It's starting to sound like something's wrong with the enclosure? What
 chipset does the enclosure use, and have you checked for firmware
 updates for the enclosure?
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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting



LaCie posts a firmware update. But my question is, is that even
possible when I can't even make the drive show up first?

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Have you checked for firmware
 updates for the enclosure?
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On Mar 1, 2009, at 5:48 PM, tonycd wrote:


 First, my apologies on a boo-boo. The partition that's invisible is
 not the Leopard one--that shows. Ironically, it's the Panther one.

Repeating what Kris said:

 Isn't this because of the 128GB limitation of the BW?



Is the Panther partition the first one? and less than 128GB?

Beware of using your 320 in a BW ... its probably only seeing the  
first 128GB ... and if that spans a partition ...


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Wow, I hadn't even remembered that (duh!). Is it possible to make it
invisible by doing so?

As for which is first, I don't think the Panther one is #1 (I think
it's #3), but I can't be sure because now I can't see the sequence.

On Mar 1, 7:46 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:
 On Mar 1, 2009, at 5:48 PM, tonycd wrote:



  First, my apologies on a boo-boo. The partition that's invisible is
  not the Leopard one--that shows. Ironically, it's the Panther one.

 Repeating what Kris said:

  Isn't this because of the 128GB limitation of the BW?

 Is the Panther partition the first one? and less than 128GB?

 Beware of using your 320 in a BW ... its probably only seeing the
 first 128GB ... and if that spans a partition ...

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Wow, I hadn't even remembered that (duh!). Is it possible to make it
invisible by doing so?

As for which is first, I don't think the Panther one is #1 (I think
it's #3), but I can't be sure because now I can't see the sequence.

On Mar 1, 7:46 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:
 On Mar 1, 2009, at 5:48 PM, tonycd wrote:



  First, my apologies on a boo-boo. The partition that's invisible is
  not the Leopard one--that shows. Ironically, it's the Panther one.

 Repeating what Kris said:

  Isn't this because of the 128GB limitation of the BW?

 Is the Panther partition the first one? and less than 128GB?

 Beware of using your 320 in a BW ... its probably only seeing the
 first 128GB ... and if that spans a partition ...

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 As for which is first, I don't think the Panther one is #1 (I think
 it's #3), but I can't be sure because now I can't see the sequence.

 But, yes... in a masterpiece of poor planning, I think the Panther one is 
 probably the only one that's BIGGER than 128. (Double duh.)
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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-01 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote:

 As a follow up, DiskWarrior did repair the problems.  With the 80 GB
 external, it was able to go through the entire process of replacing the disk
 directory, but had an error at the end clearing the journal and told me to
 contact tech support.  I restarted and ran disk utility, verified and
 repaired and it mounted fine.  I ran DiskWarrior again on the drive and it
 had one item that it fixed and so far so good.

 Thanks for your help Wallace and Joe.


Glad it works!

you are welcome :)

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 As for which is first, I don't think the Panther one is #1 (I think
 it's #3), but I can't be sure because now I can't see the sequence.

 But, yes... in a masterpiece of poor planning, I think the Panther one is 
 probably the only one that's BIGGER than 128. (Double duh.)
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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-01 Thread joe


On Mar 1, 2009, at 4:39 PM, tonycd wrote:

 I pulled the drive from the FireWire case and popped it into the Blue
  White, replacing its resident IDE drive. (I didn't want to mess with
 my G4 because it has a firmware upgrade for its transplant CPU. No
 sense tempting fate.) The hard drive spun up the Blue  White
 perfectly, displaying two of its three partitions.

You don't have an extra IDE spot in your G4?  If so, I'd put it in  
there (not replacing the drive with your regular system on it).  That  
way you can start up on a different drive than the one that's a problem.

And yes, I'd definitely install the hi-cap kext.

Just to clear up some confusion:  a system that won't run on a given  
machine is not responsible in itself for that partition not mounting.

You said you ran DiskWarrior and nothing.  What do you mean? Did it  
rebuild the disk directory or did it report a problem preventing you  
from doing that?



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Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-02-28 Thread Ken W

Hi,

I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9.  I have 2 external
firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB.  The 750 has 3
partitions.  Everything was working great, but I powered off my computer
today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted, and 2 of the 3
partitions on the 750 are unmounted.  Disk Utility can see these unmounted
drives/ partitions, but can not mount them.

What the heck?  I am not that technical with this kind of stuff.

Thanks,
Ken

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-02-28 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9.  I have 2 external
 firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB.  The 750 has 3
 partitions.  Everything was working great, but I powered off my computer
 today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted, and 2 of the 3
 partitions on the 750 are unmounted.  Disk Utility can see these unmounted
 drives/ partitions, but can not mount them.

 What the heck?  I am not that technical with this kind of stuff.

 __


What file system were they formatted in?

Do you shut it down regularly with no similar problem?

Have you mounted them to any other machines recently?

Have you installed any new software or updates recently that may have files
in startup or shutdown folders?

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Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly
the same exact problem.

Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3
partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This
time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in
Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like
it's running normally.

Uh-oh.

   --Tony


On Feb 28, 7:55 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi,

  I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9.  I have 2 external
  firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB.  The 750 has 3
  partitions.  Everything was working great, but I powered off my computer
  today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted, and 2 of the 3
  partitions on the 750 are unmounted.  Disk Utility can see these unmounted
  drives/ partitions, but can not mount them.

  What the heck?  I am not that technical with this kind of stuff.

  __

 What file system were they formatted in?

 Do you shut it down regularly with no similar problem?

 Have you mounted them to any other machines recently?

 Have you installed any new software or updates recently that may have files
 in startup or shutdown folders?
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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-02-28 Thread Ken W

Hi Wallace, thank you for your help, here's the info:

What file system were they formatted in?
   They are in Journaled HFS+

Do you shut it down regularly with no similar problem?
Yes

Have you mounted them to any other machines recently?
  No

Have you installed any new software or updates recently that may have files
in startup or shutdown folders?

No, I started to install Flash 10, but did not get through the process
because this requires OS X 10.4 or greater.  I hope this is helpful.  One
other thing, when I booted up before this problem, the computer got stuck at
the grey apple screen, sat there for over 10 minutes so I had to hard
restart it.



 On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9.  I have 2 external
 firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB.  The 750 has 3
 partitions.  Everything was working great, but I powered off my computer
 today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted, and 2 of the 3
 partitions on the 750 are unmounted.  Disk Utility can see these unmounted
 drives/ partitions, but can not mount them.

 What the heck?  I am not that technical with this kind of stuff.




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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-02-28 Thread Kris Tilford


On Feb 28, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Ken W wrote:

 What the heck?  I am not that technical with this kind of stuff.

I used to boot from Firewire HDs all the time, and occasionally would  
run into a similar issue. The problem was somehow something switched  
the Firewire kext in OS X to some other setting. I remember I looked  
in the System.log when the Firewire was working and it always said  
something like A400 and 400Mbps somewhere. When it was broken and  
not mounting the HDs it said A100 and 100Mbps instead. I believe  
the solution was to use Onyx, Cocktail, or Applejack to clean the  
caches, etc., and reboot. Then it acted normally again. I don't know  
if this is your problem, but it worked for me when my Firewire drives  
stopped mounting.


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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-02-28 Thread James E. Therrault


I've had firewire external drive problems in the past and the cause was 
the chipsets used in the case.

JT



tonycd wrote:

 Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly
 the same exact problem.
 
 Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3
 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This
 time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in
 Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like
 it's running normally.
 
 Uh-oh.
 
--Tony
 
 
 On Feb 28, 7:55 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
 fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9.  I have 2 external
firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB.  The 750 has 3
partitions.  Everything was working great, but I powered off my computer
today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted, and 2 of the 3
partitions on the 750 are unmounted.  Disk Utility can see these unmounted
drives/ partitions, but can not mount them.

What the heck?  I am not that technical with this kind of stuff.

__

What file system were they formatted in?

Do you shut it down regularly with no similar problem?

Have you mounted them to any other machines recently?

Have you installed any new software or updates recently that may have files
in startup or shutdown folders?
 

 
 


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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-02-28 Thread Steve R


On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ken W 
mailto:ken...@gmail.comken...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9.  I have 2 
external firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB.  The 
750 has 3 partitions.  Everything was working great, but I powered 
off my computer today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted, 
and 2 of the 3 partitions on the 750 are unmounted.  Disk Utility can 
see these unmounted drives/ partitions, but can not mount them.

What the heck?  I am not that technical with this kind of stuff.


I ran into similar problems with a G3 iMac in OS X. I found that 
rebooting into OS 9 to mount the partitions worked to make them 
visible in OS X.

Steve R

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Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly
the same exact problem.

Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3
partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This
time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in
Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like
it's running normally.

Uh-oh.

   --Tony


On Feb 28, 7:55 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi,

  I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9.  I have 2 external
  firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB.  The 750 has 3
  partitions.  Everything was working great, but I powered off my computer
  today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted, and 2 of the 3
  partitions on the 750 are unmounted.  Disk Utility can see these unmounted
  drives/ partitions, but can not mount them.

  What the heck?  I am not that technical with this kind of stuff.

  __

 What file system were they formatted in?

 Do you shut it down regularly with no similar problem?

 Have you mounted them to any other machines recently?

 Have you installed any new software or updates recently that may have files
 in startup or shutdown folders?
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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-02-28 Thread joe


On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Steve R wrote:

 Hi,

 I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9.  I have 2
 external firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB.  The
 750 has 3 partitions.  Everything was working great, but I powered
 off my computer today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted,
 and 2 of the 3 partitions on the 750 are unmounted.  Disk Utility can
 see these unmounted drives/ partitions, but can not mount them.

 What the heck?  I am not that technical with this kind of stuff.


 I ran into similar problems with a G3 iMac in OS X. I found that
 rebooting into OS 9 to mount the partitions worked to make them
 visible in OS X.

 Steve R


Could be a corrupted disk directory.   Maybe try Disk Warrior?

I keep an external firewire drive to back up my internal drives.   
I've got it partitioned to mimic the internal drives.  For both  
internal and external drives, I rely on Intertech's hi-cap kext.   
That means whenever I need to run Disk Warrior, it's best if I do it  
from the FW drive (rather than the disk) so that I can see all my  
partitions.

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-02-28 Thread joe


On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:19 PM, tonycd wrote:

 Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly
 the same exact problem.

 Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3
 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This
 time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in
 Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like
 it's running normally.

 Uh-oh.

--Tony


I'm not sure what computer you have, but if it's a Sawtooth, you  
could try opening the case and plugging the external drive into the  
internal FW port on the motherboard.

You could also try taking the drive itself out of the FW case and  
attaching it to one of the IDE buses.

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting


Thanks, Joe. I have a Quicksilver 867 upgraded to 1.5ghz, running
Tiger.

I've tried booting from an OS 9 CD (wouldn't boot), and a Norton CD
(ditto). Tech Tool Deluxe couldn't see any of the three partitions,
either.

My question: If I somehow failed to trash the desktop disk icons on my
last use, which I know is the usual cause for this problem, and
therefore fried the B Tree, which I read is the consequence of such
misbehavior, is that damage in the FireWire case or the hard drive
itself? (If the latter, obviously the exercise of disassembling the
FireWire drive -- although I know how, and have done it before --
wouldn't be worth the exertion.)

My usual HD is running fine. I'm just trying to keep my backup tools
working as preventive medicine. If this exercise did confirm that the
FireWire case was the problem, would it help me in any way except to
confirm I needed a new FireWire case?



 I'm not sure what computer you have, but if it's a Sawtooth, you
 could try opening the case and plugging the external drive into the
 internal FW port on the motherboard.

 You could also try taking the drive itself out of the FW case and
 attaching it to one of the IDE buses.



On Feb 28, 9:29 pm, joe j...@joethejuggler.com wrote:
 On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:19 PM, tonycd wrote:

  Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly
  the same exact problem.

  Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3
  partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This
  time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in
  Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like
  it's running normally.

  Uh-oh.

 --Tony

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