Re: Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of computer looks like AGP Graphics set up
You need to flash the ROM and tape pins 3 11. Once that's done the card will work in 10.4.5 or later versions of Tiger, all versions of Leopard, and it will boot into 9.2.2 as well. At least mine does. On Sep 16, 11:19 am, Aerendel jimwelling...@gmail.com wrote: Will a EVGA (brand) nVidia GeForce 6200 LE (8x AGP card work with a M5183 (digital Audio?) (the back panel looks like AGP Graphics set up) Most problems are weird, but, Somebody donated an older Mac G4 to the local museum here. I'm on the Museum Board of Directors and people think I'm a mac genius because I kept their beige G3 alive and running their slide show for years. The donated Mac 4 has a toasted video card (It's at the museum and I'm not, so I can't find the model number, but...) I put the AGP Rage 16MB VRAM card from my work horse M5183 (with a 1.4 GHz processor) into that computer and *it* works fine. But when I tried to use the PCI card that is still inside the M5183 and connect to the internet, it lasted about 5 minutes and shot half a zillion error messages across the screen I rebooted tiwce, and this happened again, both times. I took a photo of the error message filled screen on the final crash, but the camera's flash went off and it's really tough reading that, I could probably spend some time copying all the numbers for you and post them here if that would do any good. But I think the bottom line is it crashed due to a memory conflict with the ethernet card. (that's my best guess) So I decided to try to get a new AGP Video card for the M5183. There is a store on eBay that has 8 GeForce4 TI 4600 128 MB VRAM cards left for 89.50 U$ plus shipping each. I went into my friendly neighbourhood computer store and the guy there can get me the 6200 LE card for $69.00 (and no shipping charges) but it is an 8x card and further research says it should work as long as I don't boot into OS9.2.2 which I need to do every now and then, but I can probably run a VGA monitor off the other card, as long as I'm not connected to the ethernet/internet. But does anybody know if the 6200 LE is one of those magic cards that is backward compatible with 2x/4x AGP slots (it has the three part insertion connectors, so it will fit in place, but---) Thanks, -Jim (Aerendel) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of computer looks like AGP Graphics set up
On 16/9/10 19:46, Aerendel jimwelling...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Pete, I had gone to that page and it looked doable, but I wondered if there were any motherboard problems with the M5183 that would still cause problems. taping the pins looked like you'd better have a steady hand and plenty of patience, when they mentioned crazy glue I wondered if the article was not meant to be taken seriously. I think I'll give this a try and let you know if it works. I'm also wondering if this explains the problem the poster had last week. -Jim Truth be told it's not that difficult to do the tape method although the method shown on mac elite is probably not the easiest - I find it much easier to first stick a length of tape to a flat surface and cut a sliver off lengthways about 12th inch wide (I just guess) - then apply it to mask the pins and trim leaving enough extra just to curl under the bottom of the connector to make it more secure. Two minute job reallyyou will know if it's not correct as the mac will not boot but no damage is done to the mac or the card. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of computer looks like AGP Graphics set up
Will a EVGA (brand) nVidia GeForce 6200 LE (8x AGP card work with a M5183 (digital Audio?) (the back panel looks like AGP Graphics set up) Most problems are weird, but, Somebody donated an older Mac G4 to the local museum here. I'm on the Museum Board of Directors and people think I'm a mac genius because I kept their beige G3 alive and running their slide show for years. The donated Mac 4 has a toasted video card (It's at the museum and I'm not, so I can't find the model number, but...) I put the AGP Rage 16MB VRAM card from my work horse M5183 (with a 1.4 GHz processor) into that computer and *it* works fine. But when I tried to use the PCI card that is still inside the M5183 and connect to the internet, it lasted about 5 minutes and shot half a zillion error messages across the screen I rebooted tiwce, and this happened again, both times. I took a photo of the error message filled screen on the final crash, but the camera's flash went off and it's really tough reading that, I could probably spend some time copying all the numbers for you and post them here if that would do any good. But I think the bottom line is it crashed due to a memory conflict with the ethernet card. (that's my best guess) So I decided to try to get a new AGP Video card for the M5183. There is a store on eBay that has 8 GeForce4 TI 4600 128 MB VRAM cards left for 89.50 U$ plus shipping each. I went into my friendly neighbourhood computer store and the guy there can get me the 6200 LE card for $69.00 (and no shipping charges) but it is an 8x card and further research says it should work as long as I don't boot into OS9.2.2 which I need to do every now and then, but I can probably run a VGA monitor off the other card, as long as I'm not connected to the ethernet/internet. But does anybody know if the 6200 LE is one of those magic cards that is backward compatible with 2x/4x AGP slots (it has the three part insertion connectors, so it will fit in place, but---) Thanks, -Jim (Aerendel) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of computer looks like AGP Graphics set up
On 16/9/10 16:19, Aerendel jimwelling...@gmail.com wrote: Will a EVGA (brand) nVidia GeForce 6200 LE (8x AGP card work with a M5183 (digital Audio?) (the back panel looks like AGP Graphics set up) Most problems are weird, but, Somebody donated an older Mac G4 to the local museum here. I'm on the Museum Board of Directors and people think I'm a mac genius because I kept their beige G3 alive and running their slide show for years. The donated Mac 4 has a toasted video card (It's at the museum and I'm not, so I can't find the model number, but...) I put the AGP Rage 16MB VRAM card from my work horse M5183 (with a 1.4 GHz processor) into that computer and *it* works fine. But when I tried to use the PCI card that is still inside the M5183 and connect to the internet, it lasted about 5 minutes and shot half a zillion error messages across the screen I rebooted tiwce, and this happened again, both times. I took a photo of the error message filled screen on the final crash, but the camera's flash went off and it's really tough reading that, I could probably spend some time copying all the numbers for you and post them here if that would do any good. But I think the bottom line is it crashed due to a memory conflict with the ethernet card. (that's my best guess) So I decided to try to get a new AGP Video card for the M5183. There is a store on eBay that has 8 GeForce4 TI 4600 128 MB VRAM cards left for 89.50 U$ plus shipping each. I went into my friendly neighbourhood computer store and the guy there can get me the 6200 LE card for $69.00 (and no shipping charges) but it is an 8x card and further research says it should work as long as I don't boot into OS9.2.2 which I need to do every now and then, but I can probably run a VGA monitor off the other card, as long as I'm not connected to the ethernet/internet. But does anybody know if the 6200 LE is one of those magic cards that is backward compatible with 2x/4x AGP slots (it has the three part insertion connectors, so it will fit in place, but---) Thanks, -Jim (Aerendel) If it has the three part agp connector (known as universal) it is 2x/4x/8x compatible - if it has only two parts it is 4x/8x compatible but will not physically fit in a 2x slot. BUT! - and a major but - all G4 models with ADC connection will not take an 8x card as Apple used the unused pins in the 4x spec to enable power to the ADC monitor. Some early G4 models like the Sawtooth were without ADC and are unaffected but the Digital Audio was affected and an 8x capable card will need to have pins three and eleven on the rear of the agp connector of the card isolated to emulate the 4x spec in order for the G4 to boot successfully. This can be done temporarily with tape or permanently by cutting the traces to the pins - a semi permanent fix can be achieved by removing the resistors controlling the pins which can be resoldered to restore the card to 8x capability. For more info see here.. http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11 Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of computer looks like AGP Graphics set up
Thanks, Pete, I had gone to that page and it looked doable, but I wondered if there were any motherboard problems with the M5183 that would still cause problems. taping the pins looked like you'd better have a steady hand and plenty of patience, when they mentioned crazy glue I wondered if the article was not meant to be taken seriously. I think I'll give this a try and let you know if it works. I'm also wondering if this explains the problem the poster had last week. -Jim = On Sep 16, 2:27 pm, pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: On 16/9/10 16:19, Aerendel jimwelling...@gmail.com wrote: Will a EVGA (brand) nVidia GeForce 6200 LE (8x AGP card work with a M5183 (digital Audio?) (the back panel looks like AGP Graphics set up) Most problems are weird, but, Somebody donated an older Mac G4 to the local museum here. I'm on the Museum Board of Directors and people think I'm a mac genius because I kept their beige G3 alive and running their slide show for years. The donated Mac 4 has a toasted video card (It's at the museum and I'm not, so I can't find the model number, but...) I put the AGP Rage 16MB VRAM card from my work horse M5183 (with a 1.4 GHz processor) into that computer and *it* works fine. But when I tried to use the PCI card that is still inside the M5183 and connect to the internet, it lasted about 5 minutes and shot half a zillion error messages across the screen I rebooted tiwce, and this happened again, both times. I took a photo of the error message filled screen on the final crash, but the camera's flash went off and it's really tough reading that, I could probably spend some time copying all the numbers for you and post them here if that would do any good. But I think the bottom line is it crashed due to a memory conflict with the ethernet card. (that's my best guess) So I decided to try to get a new AGP Video card for the M5183. There is a store on eBay that has 8 GeForce4 TI 4600 128 MB VRAM cards left for 89.50 U$ plus shipping each. I went into my friendly neighbourhood computer store and the guy there can get me the 6200 LE card for $69.00 (and no shipping charges) but it is an 8x card and further research says it should work as long as I don't boot into OS9.2.2 which I need to do every now and then, but I can probably run a VGA monitor off the other card, as long as I'm not connected to the ethernet/internet. But does anybody know if the 6200 LE is one of those magic cards that is backward compatible with 2x/4x AGP slots (it has the three part insertion connectors, so it will fit in place, but---) Thanks, -Jim (Aerendel) If it has the three part agp connector (known as universal) it is 2x/4x/8x compatible - if it has only two parts it is 4x/8x compatible but will not physically fit in a 2x slot. BUT! - and a major but - all G4 models with ADC connection will not take an 8x card as Apple used the unused pins in the 4x spec to enable power to the ADC monitor. Some early G4 models like the Sawtooth were without ADC and are unaffected but the Digital Audio was affected and an 8x capable card will need to have pins three and eleven on the rear of the agp connector of the card isolated to emulate the 4x spec in order for the G4 to boot successfully. This can be done temporarily with tape or permanently by cutting the traces to the pins - a semi permanent fix can be achieved by removing the resistors controlling the pins which can be resoldered to restore the card to 8x capability. For more info see here.. http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11 Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of computer looks like AGP Graphics set up
I got one of those video cards but mine is the 5200 and it won't work it has to be flashed on a PC... I have the same machine too a Power Mac G4 M5183... Did the one you have come out of a Mac??? If so it probably already was flashed so I would say it would work... -Original Message- From: Aerendel jimwelling...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 16, 2010 11:19 AM To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of computer looks like AGP Graphics set up Will a EVGA (brand) nVidia GeForce 6200 LE (8x AGP card work with a M5183 (digital Audio?) (the back panel looks like AGP Graphics set up) Most problems are weird, but, Somebody donated an older Mac G4 to the local museum here. I'm on the Museum Board of Directors and people think I'm a mac genius because I kept their beige G3 alive and running their slide show for years. The donated Mac 4 has a toasted video card (It's at the museum and I'm not, so I can't find the model number, but...) I put the AGP Rage 16MB VRAM card from my work horse M5183 (with a 1.4 GHz processor) into that computer and *it* works fine. But when I tried to use the PCI card that is still inside the M5183 and connect to the internet, it lasted about 5 minutes and shot half a zillion error messages across the screen I rebooted tiwce, and this happened again, both times. I took a photo of the error message filled screen on the final crash, but the camera's flash went off and it's really tough reading that, I could probably spend some time copying all the numbers for you and post them here if that would do any good. But I think the bottom line is it crashed due to a memory conflict with the ethernet card. (that's my best guess) So I decided to try to get a new AGP Video card for the M5183. There is a store on eBay that has 8 GeForce4 TI 4600 128 MB VRAM cards left for 89.50 U$ plus shipping each. I went into my friendly neighbourhood computer store and the guy there can get me the 6200 LE card for $69.00 (and no shipping charges) but it is an 8x card and further research says it should work as long as I don't boot into OS9.2.2 which I need to do every now and then, but I can probably run a VGA monitor off the other card, as long as I'm not connected to the ethernet/internet. But does anybody know if the 6200 LE is one of those magic cards that is backward compatible with 2x/4x AGP slots (it has the three part insertion connectors, so it will fit in place, but---) Thanks, -Jim (Aerendel) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
