Has this ever happened to you?
I was playing my favorite game, Master of Orion II. Then I quit the game and ejected the CD and noticed there was a crack in the inner ring. So I decided it might be a good time to make a backup copy of this CD, if it were possible. I tried Disk Utility first and thought it might be better to use Toast 9.0. I started running the program and suddenly the plastic CD button goober shot out of the mirror door. I got a cryptic "disc has read errors" message. I tried ejecting the disc both using eject button on the keyboard and the eject button on the front of the drive, which by the way is a Samsung from other world. None of this worked. The drive wouldn't open. I tried a paper clip and that wouldn't work. I tried rebooting the machine and that didn't help. I gave up and shut the machine down and pried the drive open. The CD was in chunks. It literally exploded in the the drive. I have probably 40% of it out of the drive in six pieces. I've never heard of this happening. I loved that game. This sucks. Now I don't have any excuses to switch over to my G5, no even lame ones. Mark Murphy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Has this ever happened to you?
On Aug 27, 2012, at 7:29 PM, smac0031 wrote: > None of this worked. The drive wouldn't open. I tried a paper clip and > that wouldn't work. I tried rebooting the machine and that didn't > help. I gave up and shut the machine down and pried the drive open. > > The CD was in chunks. It literally exploded in the the drive. I have > probably 40% of it out of the drive in six pieces. > > I've never heard of this happening. I loved that game. This sucks. > > Now I don't have any excuses to switch over to my G5, no even lame > ones. You should check out the Myth Busters episode about exploding optical drives. It was one of their first episodes. Short story is that with normal discs no drive they tried could destroy a disc. I think they did have some failure after abusing the discs (Microwaving was one method). They finally got a normal disc to fail by mounting it on a die grinder and, IIRC, running the die grinder off of 220V, twice it's rated voltage. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Has this ever happened to you?
There is probably only 2 things that could have caused this: 1st the CD broke going in when the thing comes down to grab the disc by the hole because of a miss alignment or 2nd It spun up to over 10,000rpm maybe it was 20,000 (Just like Clark said about Myth Busters figured out how much rpm would cause it to explode)... Now what I think happened was the first thing? Once they crack it will weaken them and the spinning of the drive would cause them to explode..? -Original Message- >From: smac0031 >Sent: Aug 27, 2012 10:29 PM >To: G-Group >Subject: Has this ever happened to you? > >I was playing my favorite game, Master of Orion II. Then I quit the >game and ejected the CD and noticed there was a crack in the inner >ring. So I decided it might be a good time to make a backup copy of >this CD, if it were possible. I tried Disk Utility first and thought >it might be better to use Toast 9.0. I started running the program and >suddenly the plastic CD button goober shot out of the mirror door. I >got a cryptic "disc has read errors" message. I tried ejecting the >disc both using eject button on the keyboard and the eject button on >the front of the drive, which by the way is a Samsung from other >world. > >None of this worked. The drive wouldn't open. I tried a paper clip and >that wouldn't work. I tried rebooting the machine and that didn't >help. I gave up and shut the machine down and pried the drive open. > >The CD was in chunks. It literally exploded in the the drive. I have >probably 40% of it out of the drive in six pieces. > >I've never heard of this happening. I loved that game. This sucks. > >Now I don't have any excuses to switch over to my G5, no even lame >ones. > >Mark Murphy > >-- >You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for >those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power >Macs. >The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette >guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... “Choose love and peace above all other options. Commit to the goal of unconditional love and compassion for all life, in all its expressions, and surrender all judgment to God. --- Dr. David R. Hawkins -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Has this ever happened to you?
At 7:47 PM -0700 8/27/2012, Clark Martin wrote: You should check out the Myth Busters episode about exploding optical drives. It was one of their first episodes. Short story is that with normal discs no drive they tried could destroy a disc. I think they did have some failure after abusing the discs (Microwaving was one method). They finally got a normal disc to fail by mounting it on a die grinder and, IIRC, running the die grinder off of 220V, twice it's rated voltage. Loved that ep! Older discs can become rather brittle, especially if damaged in any way. I've had two ancient discs break apart in the drive. That ramp-up after a read error is killer, crack-crunch-screch... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Has this ever happened to you?
Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose. On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Richard Gerome wrote: >There is probably only 2 things that could have caused this: 1st the CD > broke going in when the thing comes down to grab the disc by the hole because > of a miss alignment or 2nd It spun up to over 10,000rpm maybe it was 20,000 The OP stated there was a crack in the disc. The disc could have failed because of the crack and being spun up to high speed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Has this ever happened to you?
I got the DVD drive out of my computer. I gave up holding the whole computer at various angles and shaking it to get the cd-rom out of it. Roughly, a little over half of the cd-rom has fallen out of it. The mechanism in the DVD drive seems to be jammed and only little bits fall out now. I am seriously considering using my ship vac next, although the last time I used my shop vac on my computer I had to buy a new keyboard. I think this drive is most likely destroyed. The thing that impressed me the most is when it came apart the clip on drive door popped open and shot out the the center button bar and it flew half way across the room If you will recall, G4's have a door covering their optical drives and the button is in the center of the door and there is a plastic bar that extends over to the right where the actual button is on a CD drive to open it. It might look nice, but it's lame, if you ask me. This bar shot out of my computer. Disk read error. Maybe Apple's later system software has a very high level of copy protection that results the disk blowing up and jamming up your optical drive. That was my most favorite game ever. I guess I should quit screwing around. Mark Murphy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Has this ever happened to you?
I am certain the crack in the inner ring would effect the disk's structural integrity but at normal speeds it would be fine. When you tried to backup the disk Toast spun the drive up to maximum speed (something like 52x) and the disk exploded because it wasn't strong enough to spin at that speed any more. In future I would recommend backing up cracked disks at 1x or as slow as you're willing to wait. Tom On 28/08/12 12:29 PM, smac0031 wrote: I was playing my favorite game, Master of Orion II. Then I quit the game and ejected the CD and noticed there was a crack in the inner ring. So I decided it might be a good time to make a backup copy of this CD, if it were possible. I tried Disk Utility first and thought it might be better to use Toast 9.0. I started running the program and suddenly the plastic CD button goober shot out of the mirror door. I got a cryptic "disc has read errors" message. I tried ejecting the disc both using eject button on the keyboard and the eject button on the front of the drive, which by the way is a Samsung from other world. None of this worked. The drive wouldn't open. I tried a paper clip and that wouldn't work. I tried rebooting the machine and that didn't help. I gave up and shut the machine down and pried the drive open. The CD was in chunks. It literally exploded in the the drive. I have probably 40% of it out of the drive in six pieces. I've never heard of this happening. I loved that game. This sucks. Now I don't have any excuses to switch over to my G5, no even lame ones. Mark Murphy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Has this ever happened to you?
Just a suggestion: buy the best quality CDs or DVDs you can afford and then back up the disk. For games or other optical media used often, === Use The Backup! === Store the original away where it´s dark. Read up on the lifetime expectancy (mtbf) of CDs and DVDs. Defend yourself against crap sales and manufacturing. Become the real-world tech-warrior equivalent of your game avatar. BTW, with a little research online, you can replace and even upgrade an optical drive for an economical price. If you are mechanically inclined. The only disadvantage is they´re a little noisey when pushing open a G5 door. No Fear. Jon On 08/28/2012 09:00 PM, smac0031 wrote: I got the DVD drive out of my computer. I gave up holding the whole computer at various angles and shaking it to get the cd-rom out of it. Roughly, a little over half of the cd-rom has fallen out of it. The mechanism in the DVD drive seems to be jammed and only little bits fall out now. I am seriously considering using my ship vac next, although the last time I used my shop vac on my computer I had to buy a new keyboard. I think this drive is most likely destroyed. The thing that impressed me the most is when it came apart the clip on drive door popped open and shot out the the center button bar and it flew half way across the room If you will recall, G4's have a door covering their optical drives and the button is in the center of the door and there is a plastic bar that extends over to the right where the actual button is on a CD drive to open it. It might look nice, but it's lame, if you ask me. This bar shot out of my computer. Disk read error. Maybe Apple's later system software has a very high level of copy protection that results the disk blowing up and jamming up your optical drive. That was my most favorite game ever. I guess I should quit screwing around. Mark Murphy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
