500 MHz G4 with PCI-ATA card for large drives - drives have disappeared
I was hoping someone could help me troubleshoot my 500 MHz G4 running OS 10.3 (not sure if it's a Sawtooth, Gigabit Ethernet, or Digital Audio). It normally boots off of a 8 GB HD and has 2 500 GB HDs connected by way of a PCI-slot ATA card. I think the card is the Sonnet Tempo but it might be a SIIG card. I bought it years ago and unfortunately cannot find any documentation on what it is! The problem is that several days ago I could no longer access the 500 GB drives from the network, and when I went to the G4 to check, the drive icons for all partitions of these drives were missing. Disk Utility can't see them either. I even went so far as to install a bootable OS 10.3 on a partition less than 128GB when I set up the system, and I can't get the bootloader to realize it has this option. The computer boots up fine from the original 8GB drive, although it now seems to become unstable and freeze within 2-16 hours after startup. These two 500 GB drives are important to me as they are backup for the rest of my computers. I can always take them out and rescue the data, but I'd really like to get the backup system (network backups with SuperDuper) working again. I think it unlikely that the HDs failed at the same time, so I first suspect the card, the PCI slot, and then the motherboard. I've jiggled all the connections on the card and no dice. I'd like to try it in a different PCI slot (since there are 3 others) but I don't remember where to grab and how much it's ok to pull to get the card back out. Any advice? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 500 MHz G4 with PCI-ATA card for large drives - drives have disappeared
On 1/22/10 11:10 AM, sharonopolis wrote: I was hoping someone could help me troubleshoot my 500 MHz G4 running OS 10.3 (not sure if it's a Sawtooth, Gigabit Ethernet, or Digital Audio). It normally boots off of a 8 GB HD and has 2 500 GB HDs connected by way of a PCI-slot ATA card. I think the card is the Sonnet Tempo but it might be a SIIG card. I bought it years ago and unfortunately cannot find any documentation on what it is! The problem is that several days ago I could no longer access the 500 GB drives from the network, and when I went to the G4 to check, the drive icons for all partitions of these drives were missing. Disk Utility can't see them either. I even went so far as to install a bootable OS 10.3 on a partition less than 128GB when I set up the system, and I can't get the bootloader to realize it has this option. The computer boots up fine from the original 8GB drive, although it now seems to become unstable and freeze within 2-16 hours after startup. These two 500 GB drives are important to me as they are backup for the rest of my computers. I can always take them out and rescue the data, but I'd really like to get the backup system (network backups with SuperDuper) working again. I think it unlikely that the HDs failed at the same time, so I first suspect the card, the PCI slot, and then the motherboard. I've jiggled all the connections on the card and no dice. I'd like to try it in a different PCI slot (since there are 3 others) but I don't remember where to grab and how much it's ok to pull to get the card back out. Any advice? For starters run System Profiler (Apple Menu - About This Mac - More Info...) and check under PCI Cards. If the card isn't showing up then there is something wrong with it. Also try disconnecting one drive at a time (with the power off) and see if the other shows up. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Large Drives
Average user + family(2teenager with own Itunes iphoto)= 80gb original 65gb used 160gb external 120 used 300gb internal about 200gb used I am looking hard at the terabyte to replace the original 80. Jeff Bequette [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 11, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:39 PM +0100 10/11/2008, Simon Royal wrote: What does the average user do with all that space? Data is like GAS. It expands to fill all available space! Who actually uses 1000GB? Then you have the question of backing up. The larger the storage the larger the back up needed. Backup volumes, movies, music, photo video editing, databases, starcharts, Mach5 plans... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Large Drives
Hi. I've never been a subscriber to massive hard drives. What does the average user do with all that space? Who actually uses 1000GB? Then you have the question of backing up. The larger the storage the larger the back up needed. The largest drive I have had is 160GB which came in my Intel iMac. At the moment I have 100GB of music stored on a 120GB hard drive, which I bought merely to keep all my music in one place. I have a 20GB boot drive for crying out loud. My PowerBook G3 Pismo came with a 40GB hard drive which I think is a little bit of overkill as I have only used 10GB. It is not that I don't do heavy work. I am a graphic designer who works in Quark, Photoshop and Illustrator. I use iMovie for video editing and make a lot of backup disc images. I just think massive drives are bought for the 'ive got 500GB' wow factor rather than if you actually need or use it. A PC friend of mine has a 500GB Western Digital external drive and never goes over 200GB of it. What a waste of money. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Large Drives
On Oct 11, 2008, at 2:39 PM, Simon Royal wrote: I've never been a subscriber to massive hard drives. What does the average user do with all that space? Who actually uses 1000GB? Then you have the question of backing up. The larger the storage the larger the back up needed. Try doing any professional CD or DVD authoring or duplication without having huge hard drives for works in progress storage. Backup strategies are very much an individual preference. Some three decades ago, it took three magnetic tapes (1600 bpi) to backup a disk volume (mainframe-speak for a hard drive). Some two decades ago, it took about the same number of tapes (but 6250 bpi) to backup a disk volume. Backups on such linear media is now darn near impossible, and more intelligent methods are now required. I backup to a drive which is identical in size to the drive being backed up: 1 TB to 1 TB. Works for me ... possibly wouldn't work for others. The data contained on my drives is considerably more valuable than the cost of the drive itself. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Large Drives
On Sat, October 11, 2008 5:39 pm, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I've never been a subscriber to massive hard drives. What does the average user do with all that space? Who actually uses 1000GB? Then you have the question of backing up. The larger the storage the larger the back up needed. Hi Simon! My first hard drive was a HardCard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcard). It was 10 MEGS and I paid probably close to $800 for it with an employee discount (I am showing my age LOL) 3 or so years ago I had purchased an external 160gb to be used as a backup and emergency boot drive for my G4 FW800. Enter my 30gb iBook, which also needed to be backed up. I added a 320gb external so it could backup both machines. Then my digital pix took over about a year ago. Hubby got a digital SLR which didn't help! They moved over to the 160gb (and were also backed up onto the 320) I just purchased 2 500gb drives for my G4 FW800 (one is a bootable backup). It came with a 120gb. I've been at the 10gb free mark for quite some time, which is way too low for comfort. So, will I ever use all that space? I am not sure. But I also never thought I'd fill 10 megabytes either. I will say it took quite awhile to get close to the 120gb. I probably had 40-60 in my Yikes! over a few drives. But with operating systems and applications getting bigger all the time, I am guessing it will happen sooner rather than later. Diane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Large Drives
At 10:39 PM +0100 10/11/2008, Simon Royal wrote: What does the average user do with all that space? Data is like GAS. It expands to fill all available space! Who actually uses 1000GB? Then you have the question of backing up. The larger the storage the larger the back up needed. Backup volumes, movies, music, photo video editing, databases, starcharts, Mach5 plans... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
