Re: Problems with MDD Freezing Up
Greetings, There should be some kind of indication as to why your platform is freezing in the Console Log You'll find the Console log in your Utilities folder. When you restart after a freeze open the console log and perhaps you'll find out what was happening just prior to the freeze. Cheers Harry Free,am San Jose, Ca On Nov 18, 8:40 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Maccountant wrote: I have no problem starting in Safe Boot mode, even when it cannot start - due to freezing - in normal mode. Any suggestions? You've booted a CD or DVD and run Disk Utility on the HDs? If the CD or DVD freezes, it's likely hardware, but I don't think it will freeze. This sounds like a software issue. You've changed CPUs, video cards, HDs, and RAM, and STILL have this problem that only occurs in normal boots and not in safe boots. This would indicate the problem is software, and some 3rd-party software most likely. You might be able to systematically troubleshoot the problem by creating a list of which processes are running during a Safe Boot, and then compare that to which are running during a normal boot. You can see the individual processes in ApplicationsUtilitiesActivity Monitor. You can Quit processes manually from Activity Monitor, and perhaps isolate which process is causing the freeze. If I were to guess, I'd guess printer software. I know HP printer software was known to have daemons that caused problems sometimes, and I imagine other printer software may be nearly as bad. I think it's more of a USB issue, but printer software is polling the USB bus, and I suspect that's where the problem lies. If not printer software, if you have any other 3rd-party USB software, start there. I could possibly take longer than it's worth to isolate the issue compared to doing a fresh, clean installation of 10.4.11 and transferring your stuff across to a pristine System. I assume a pristine System will work normally. I'd reinstall your better CPU and video card also, assuming this is a software issue. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Problems with MDD Freezing Up
I have random freezing on my G4 PowerBook, model 1139 w/1.67GHz G4, so I will check out the Console Log that you mentioned below and see if I can find the reason for this Freezing that happens about once a day. Are you suggesting to leave the Console Log up and running all the time, so that when the computer Freezes I will be able to see in the Console Log what happened right before the Freeze? I would need to make sure what ever I am doing on the computer did not cover that window, or I would not be able to see it after the freeze occurred. On Nov 19, 2011, at 10:27 AM, gifutiger wrote: Greetings, There should be some kind of indication as to why your platform is freezing in the Console Log You'll find the Console log in your Utilities folder. When you restart after a freeze open the console log and perhaps you'll find out what was happening just prior to the freeze. Cheers Harry Free,am San Jose, Ca -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Problems with MDD Freezing Up
This is a little convoluted so please bear with me as I relay some history: I have a 2003 G4 MDD single 1.25 running 10.4.11 with 2G RAM. Up till last year was very stable. I routinely had it running for months at a time. Last year I was looking for ways to speed it up. I replaced the video card with a Radeon 9600. Some improvement. About a year ago I started hearing sounds coming from my second internal drive, so I cloned it and swapped it for a larger one I had laying around for a year or 2. Early this year I purchased and installed a Sonnet Encore MDX 1.6gz dual processor card (along with updating the firmware). It caused the fans to start working overtime and being very loud. I had to turn the computer off at nights to be able to sleep. Eventually I learned about NAP mode in CHUD tools, which took some finding to get the right version, but it seemed to work perfectly. However, soon I noticed that the computer would freeze occasionally on sleep. Never did that before. I changed the settings so it would not go to sleep, but it would still freeze on idle, usually overnight. Then, sometimes while using it! Then while rebooting, around the end of April, my new secondary drive refused to mount. long story short-it had died. I bought a new one, and eventually removed the Sonnet processor card and reinstalled the original processor. I turned off NAP mode. The computer still freezes! Recently, it has started to also freeze on startup. I removed the updated Sonnet firmware and the CHUD tools. I even swapped the video card for the old one temporarily, but the freezing continues. I moved around the RAM to different slots and tried to start with only one stick, but nothing helps. One thing - I have no problem starting in Safe Boot mode, even when it cannot start - due to freezing - in normal mode. I have not idled the computer in Safe Boot mode overnight yet to see if it will be OK. Any suggestions? Does it sound like software or hardware? Is there a good way to diagnose what to do? I'm tempted to throw out the whole thing and buy a Mini G4 (I use a bunch of Classic programs, otherwise I'd get a new Mini with Lion). Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Problems with MDD Freezing Up
On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Maccountant wrote: I have no problem starting in Safe Boot mode, even when it cannot start - due to freezing - in normal mode. Any suggestions? You've booted a CD or DVD and run Disk Utility on the HDs? If the CD or DVD freezes, it's likely hardware, but I don't think it will freeze. This sounds like a software issue. You've changed CPUs, video cards, HDs, and RAM, and STILL have this problem that only occurs in normal boots and not in safe boots. This would indicate the problem is software, and some 3rd-party software most likely. You might be able to systematically troubleshoot the problem by creating a list of which processes are running during a Safe Boot, and then compare that to which are running during a normal boot. You can see the individual processes in ApplicationsUtilitiesActivity Monitor. You can Quit processes manually from Activity Monitor, and perhaps isolate which process is causing the freeze. If I were to guess, I'd guess printer software. I know HP printer software was known to have daemons that caused problems sometimes, and I imagine other printer software may be nearly as bad. I think it's more of a USB issue, but printer software is polling the USB bus, and I suspect that's where the problem lies. If not printer software, if you have any other 3rd-party USB software, start there. I could possibly take longer than it's worth to isolate the issue compared to doing a fresh, clean installation of 10.4.11 and transferring your stuff across to a pristine System. I assume a pristine System will work normally. I'd reinstall your better CPU and video card also, assuming this is a software issue. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
