Re: Lombard with new pram losing time????
Some Mac notebooks have a rechargeable PRAM battery. At least some of the ones that look like a bunch of coin cells are rechargeable. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lombard with new pram losing time????
On 29-11-2008 21:32, jonas ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: I have a powerbook lombard 333MHZ. I put a new pram in it because it was losing time. It seemed to hold the time fine until recently it no longer holds the correct time. It has a bad main battery could this cause any problems? No. With a bad main battery or without a m.b. at all, A GOOD PRAM battery must hold date and time. Perhaps you have got a too old new one which will be already dead now. I saw this very often. When buying batteries, ALWAYS check the production-date and never accept any being older then 1 yr., preferably 6 months. Another possibility can be: Battery does not sit properly or battery and/or seat are dirty. HTH, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lombard with new pram losing time????
Thanks but i think i solved it. According to apple the pram will only hold a 3-5 hour charge without being plugged in and without a main battery preset. On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 1:42 PM, J.M.P.Hissel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29-11-2008 21:32, jonas ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: I have a powerbook lombard 333MHZ. I put a new pram in it because it was losing time. It seemed to hold the time fine until recently it no longer holds the correct time. It has a bad main battery could this cause any problems? No. With a bad main battery or without a m.b. at all, A GOOD PRAM battery must hold date and time. Perhaps you have got a too old new one which will be already dead now. I saw this very often. When buying batteries, ALWAYS check the production-date and never accept any being older then 1 yr., preferably 6 months. Another possibility can be: Battery does not sit properly or battery and/or seat are dirty. HTH, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lombard with new pram losing time????
On Nov 29, 2008, at 3:55 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: Thanks but i think i solved it. According to apple the pram will only hold a 3-5 hour charge without being plugged in and without a main battery present. Does this mean you drained your new PRAM battery dead in 3-5 hours since you didn't have a good main battery? If so, I see why the next generation did away with the PRAM battery completely and just used the main battery for PRAM. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lombard with new pram losing time????
On 29-11-2008 22:55, jonas ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 1:42 PM, J.M.P.Hissel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29-11-2008 21:32, jonas ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: I have a powerbook lombard 333MHZ. I put a new pram in it because it was losing time. It seemed to hold the time fine until recently it no longer holds the correct time. It has a bad main battery could this cause any problems? No. With a bad main battery or without a m.b. at all, A GOOD PRAM battery must hold date and time. Perhaps you have got a too old new one which will be already dead now. I saw this very often. When buying batteries, ALWAYS check the production-date and never accept any being older then 1 yr., preferably 6 months. Another possibility can be: Battery does not sit properly or battery and/or seat are dirty. Thanks but i think i solved it. According to apple the pram will only hold a 3-5 hour charge without being plugged in and without a main battery preset. Sorry, but I don't believe that for I no-where can find an Apple document saying that. And my 18 yrs of exp. with Apple Notebooks is different. F.e. I have a Kanga (first PB G3) in my kitchen. Has a dead main battery and is only connected to the wall when in use. Yesterday I used the Kanga after being unplugged and without a main battery for 8 days!! Date and time showed up correctly!! So I strongly believe you are mixing up the (unplugged) lifetime of the main battery (3-5 hours is normal) and the lifetime of the PRAM battery (normally several years)! For the rest: Switching down the PRAM battery after 3-5 hours would be a redicoulus construction! And besides that, it would include a time-switch and I never have heard of or seen such in any personal computer! So I would say read my answer before again and give it a try. In case of doubt use a battery-tester (under US$ 15) or let it it test by a prof. techn. Using a voltmeter only is useless! Otherwise I woukd say, please tell us where you got that Apple wisdom saying: the pram will only hold a 3-5 hour charge without being plugged in and without a main battery preset. Again, HTH, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lombard with new pram losing time????
On 29-11-2008 23:07, Kris Tilford, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: On Nov 29, 2008, at 3:55 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: Thanks but i think i solved it. According to apple the pram will only hold a 3-5 hour charge without being plugged in and without a main battery present. Does this mean you drained your new PRAM battery dead in 3-5 hours since you didn't have a good main battery? If so, I see why the next generation did away with the PRAM battery completely and just used the main battery for PRAM. Well Kris, read my answers to Jonas, will say enough. And an easy list about Apple Notebooks (IIRC, being 65): No PRAM battery: All iBooks All Intels The PowerBooks up to and including the 1400's The PowerBooks G4 from January 2005 With PRAM battery: All PowerBooks G3 The PowerBooks 2400c, 3400c and 5300 Series The PowerBooks G4 up to and including the Q41A (17 1.5GHz) Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lombard with new pram losing time????
My Reply follows quote. On 29/11/2008 15:45 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 29-11-2008 23:07, Kris Tilford, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: On Nov 29, 2008, at 3:55 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: Thanks but i think i solved it. According to apple the pram will only hold a 3-5 hour charge without being plugged in and without a main battery present. Does this mean you drained your new PRAM battery dead in 3-5 hours since you didn't have a good main battery? If so, I see why the next generation did away with the PRAM battery completely and just used the main battery for PRAM. Well Kris, read my answers to Jonas, will say enough. And an easy list about Apple Notebooks (IIRC, being 65): No PRAM battery: All iBooks All Intels The PowerBooks up to and including the 1400's The PowerBooks G4 from January 2005 With PRAM battery: All PowerBooks G3 The PowerBooks 2400c, 3400c and 5300 Series The PowerBooks G4 up to and including the Q41A (17 1.5GHz) Jo Hissel Hmm. I don't believe this isall correct. When I took apart my Wallstreet (G3 series) it has a PRAM battery under the palm rest area. Looks sort of like large button cells in a shrink wrap. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lombard with new pram losing time????
On 30-11-2008 00:53, Ken, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: My Reply follows quote. On 29/11/2008 15:45 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well Kris, read my answers to Jonas, will say enough. And an easy list about Apple Notebooks (IIRC, being 65): No PRAM battery: All iBooks All Intels The PowerBooks up to and including the 1400's The PowerBooks G4 from January 2005 With PRAM battery: All PowerBooks G3 The PowerBooks 2400c, 3400c and 5300 Series The PowerBooks G4 up to and including the Q41A (17 1.5GHz) Jo Hissel Hmm. I don't believe this isall correct. When I took apart my Wallstreet (G3 series) it has a PRAM battery under the palm rest area. Looks sort of like large button cells in a shrink wrap. Please Ken, will you read my answer completely, haha! I included your Wallstreet, having a PRAM battery. See again above: With PRAM battery: All PowerBooks G3 And indeed that's a button cell. Kind regards, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
