Re: Strange Blue White G3 issues with booting 10.4 Install or 10.3.9.
On Apr 16, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Scott Holder sc...@iamscott.net wrote: At the moment, I'd just rather like it to work. My Beige G3 was pretty decent in 10.4 with its built-in graphics, so I'm sure it'd work decently in this. I may look into a Radeon if I can't get this GeForce card working. We'll see how it turns out with the Rage. I don't really understand what cause the video card could have either, especially since it works in 10.3 fully, and 10.3.3 in safe mode (but not regular mode). All I can figure if this is the problem is 10.3 has some kind of older driver that works while newer ones trip over something in the card. We'll see. 10.3 - 10.4 was a huge update; tons of stuff both above and under the hood changed. ‘Worked in 10.3’ is not a reliable guide to hardware issues in 10.4/ -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re[2]: Strange Blue White G3 issues with booting 10.4 Install or 10.3.9.
-- Original Message -- From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: 4/11/2015 1:58:58 AM Subject: Re: Strange Blue White G3 issues with booting 10.4 Install or 10.3.9. If you have access to any external HD enclosure, the easiest solution is probably to clone an installed OS X 10.4 System onto the HD and transfer the drive into the G3, remembering to hold the “Shift” key on the 1st boot to reinitialize the hardware and rebuild all the caches so that it’s bootable on the new hardware configuration. Even if your G3 10.4.11 System has XPostFacto extensions installed, it won’t matter, you can manually remove those later if you want to get back to a more pristine System. I finally got some time together to do this. Unfortunately, with both a clean-installed and working 10.4, and a 10.4 installed and updated 10.4.11 on the Beige G3 moved to the BW do the same thing. On a regular boot, it spins for a bit and shows a black rectangle. Safe mode boot sits at the gray apple and spins forever. I can only assume at this point that there's something it really doesn't like with the hardware. Since it does seem to boot Single User Mode, I'm thinking something with the hacked video card. I found a source online for the original ATI Rage 128 Pro PCI video card that it should have come with. Soon as it arrives I'll give that a shot. If your dead set on booting the installer I suggest using the CD, and NOT the entire CD set of 4, but ONLY the CD #1 bootable installer. If you get it to boot, select “Customize” and deselect EVERYTHING except the “OS X Base System” and then install. This “minimal” installation reduces chances of screw-ups and freezes during the boot process. Further, almost every application is already outdated and needs to be upgraded. If Safari isn’t installed via this minimal installation, insert the CDs until you can find under the InstallationPackages folder the Safari.pkg and double-click to install (I think it’s installed as part of the minimal, but perhaps not?). I tried all the various options for CD, DVD, etc boots and never even got to the point of installing. I just want the thing to run, so I'm not too picky on the specifics :) I don’t think the G4 firmware or G4 CPU represent any impediment to installation, so there’s no need to “go slow” with the G3 stuff. If you’ve got any bootable 10.4 System on a HD, for instance, either the original or cloned Beige G3 HD, you can place the installer DVD or CD into the BW and then navigate to the InstallationPackagesOSInstall.mpkg file and double-click it to bring up an Installer that doesn’t require being booted in the installer, but you must target this installer at ANOTHER HD, not the HD you’re currently booted from. So far, the only OS X I've gotten to boot at all is the original 10.3. Updating it to 10.3.9 or even 10.3.3 renders it unbootable. Nothing 10.4-related will boot either, whether the installer or a preinstalled-elsewhere disk. snip With a G4 CPU and an FX 5200 you should be able to enable both Quartz Extreme and Core Image on the FX 5200 over PCI. I’ve used both the FX 5200 FX 6200 PCI with QE CI on several hackintosh. If I remember correctly, you need to modify a framework by eliminating the “AGP” from a .plist file. There’s the tweak program “PCI Extreme” also, but I don’t think it enables Core Image? I know for certain I’ve had both QE CI working with PCI FX5200. This is my ultimate goal. I've been poking around in plists to make sure this video card's vendor/product ID are properly added. At the moment I need to put the card back in my PC just to verify the numbers, but haven't been motivated yet. For funsies I tried the QE hack to no success as yet. I think the BW may also support 10.5.8 with the G4 CPU and FX 5200? Just something to think about. I'm still debating what to do with 10.5. So far there doesn't seem to be any applications I want to run that require it, and reports say it sounds like it's noticeably more sluggish on it. We'll see. I have a couple spare HDs, plus partitions, so I can always give it a try without breaking too much. Best luck! Thanks! Kris Tilford - Topeka, KS Scott -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Strange Blue White G3 issues with booting 10.4 Install or 10.3.9.
On Apr 16, 2015, at 4:43 AM, Scott Holder sc...@iamscott.net wrote: On a regular boot, it spins for a bit and shows a black rectangle. Safe mode boot sits at the gray apple and spins forever. I can only assume at this point that there's something it really doesn't like with the hardware. Since it does seem to boot Single User Mode, I'm thinking something with the hacked video card. I found a source online for the original ATI Rage 128 Pro PCI video card that it should have come with. Soon as it arrives I'll give that a shot. Hold down command-V and see what is running at the console where it stalls out. This may give you a clue as to what’s happening. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Strange Blue White G3 issues with booting 10.4 Install or 10.3.9.
On Apr 16, 2015, at 6:43 AM, Scott Holder sc...@iamscott.net wrote: I finally got some time together to do this. Unfortunately, with both a clean-installed and working 10.4, and a 10.4 installed and updated 10.4.11 on the Beige G3 moved to the BW do the same thing. On a regular boot, it spins for a bit and shows a black rectangle. Safe mode boot sits at the gray apple and spins forever. I can only assume at this point that there's something it really doesn't like with the hardware. Since it does seem to boot Single User Mode, I'm thinking something with the hacked video card. I found a source online for the original ATI Rage 128 Pro PCI video card that it should have come with. Soon as it arrives I'll give that a shot. You probably should be using Verbose boot option so you can see what the problem is. You can do this by holding the Cmd-v keyboard keys at startup; or by booting into Open Firmware using the Cmd-Opt-o-f keys and then at the command prompt type the command: set-defailts Return setenv boot-args -v Return reset-all Return where Return means hit the Return key after entering the command. I don’t think the video card is likely the issue, although it’s possible. Since the Rage cards don’t support Quartz Extreme they’re pretty useless for Tiger 10.4 or Leopard 10.5. Ideally the optimal video card is a flashed nVidia GeForce FX5200 that supports both QE Core Image, but any of the Radeon PCI cards are also acceptable for enabling Quartz Extreme, and you may be able to enable Core Image by tweaking the Framework info.plist to allow Core Image over PCI. Once you enable verbose boot, the stall point in the dialog will give some idea for what the actual problem is... -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re[2]: Strange Blue White G3 issues with booting 10.4 Install or 10.3.9.
-- Original Message -- From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: 4/16/2015 1:15:03 PM Subject: Re: Strange Blue White G3 issues with booting 10.4 Install or 10.3.9. On Apr 16, 2015, at 6:43 AM, Scott Holder sc...@iamscott.net wrote: I finally got some time together to do this. Unfortunately, with both a clean-installed and working 10.4, and a 10.4 installed and updated 10.4.11 on the Beige G3 moved to the BW do the same thing. On a regular boot, it spins for a bit and shows a black rectangle. Safe mode boot sits at the gray apple and spins forever. I can only assume at this point that there's something it really doesn't like with the hardware. Since it does seem to boot Single User Mode, I'm thinking something with the hacked video card. I found a source online for the original ATI Rage 128 Pro PCI video card that it should have come with. Soon as it arrives I'll give that a shot. You probably should be using Verbose boot option so you can see what the problem is. You can do this by holding the Cmd-v keyboard keys at startup; or by booting into Open Firmware using the Cmd-Opt-o-f keys and then at the command prompt type the command: set-defailts Return setenv boot-args -v Return reset-all Return Sorry, I should have included that detail in the followup. The verbose output is the same as in the original message with the 10.4 boots. No change at all, more or less. where Return means hit the Return key after entering the command. I don’t think the video card is likely the issue, although it’s possible. Since the Rage cards don’t support Quartz Extreme they’re pretty useless for Tiger 10.4 or Leopard 10.5. Ideally the optimal video card is a flashed nVidia GeForce FX5200 that supports both QE Core Image, but any of the Radeon PCI cards are also acceptable for enabling Quartz Extreme, and you may be able to enable Core Image by tweaking the Framework info.plist to allow Core Image over PCI. At the moment, I'd just rather like it to work. My Beige G3 was pretty decent in 10.4 with its built-in graphics, so I'm sure it'd work decently in this. I may look into a Radeon if I can't get this GeForce card working. We'll see how it turns out with the Rage. I don't really understand what cause the video card could have either, especially since it works in 10.3 fully, and 10.3.3 in safe mode (but not regular mode). All I can figure if this is the problem is 10.3 has some kind of older driver that works while newer ones trip over something in the card. We'll see. Scott -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Strange Blue White G3 issues with booting 10.4 Install or 10.3.9.
If you have access to any external HD enclosure, the easiest solution is probably to clone an installed OS X 10.4 System onto the HD and transfer the drive into the G3, remembering to hold the “Shift” key on the 1st boot to reinitialize the hardware and rebuild all the caches so that it’s bootable on the new hardware configuration. Even if your G3 10.4.11 System has XPostFacto extensions installed, it won’t matter, you can manually remove those later if you want to get back to a more pristine System. If your dead set on booting the installer I suggest using the CD, and NOT the entire CD set of 4, but ONLY the CD #1 bootable installer. If you get it to boot, select “Customize” and deselect EVERYTHING except the “OS X Base System” and then install. This “minimal” installation reduces chances of screw-ups and freezes during the boot process. Further, almost every application is already outdated and needs to be upgraded. If Safari isn’t installed via this minimal installation, insert the CDs until you can find under the InstallationPackages folder the Safari.pkg and double-click to install (I think it’s installed as part of the minimal, but perhaps not?). I don’t think the G4 firmware or G4 CPU represent any impediment to installation, so there’s no need to “go slow” with the G3 stuff. If you’ve got any bootable 10.4 System on a HD, for instance, either the original or cloned Beige G3 HD, you can place the installer DVD or CD into the BW and then navigate to the InstallationPackagesOSInstall.mpkg file and double-click it to bring up an Installer that doesn’t require being booted in the installer, but you must target this installer at ANOTHER HD, not the HD you’re currently booted from. This will install a clean System on the other HD. Sometimes it gives an error message near the end, and perhaps stalls or says the installation failed, but normally the installation did NOT fail, and the HD will boot and complete the setup process normally. Then run Software Update to get to 10.4.11. With a G4 CPU and an FX 5200 you should be able to enable both Quartz Extreme and Core Image on the FX 5200 over PCI. I’ve used both the FX 5200 FX 6200 PCI with QE CI on several hackintosh. If I remember correctly, you need to modify a framework by eliminating the “AGP” from a .plist file. There’s the tweak program “PCI Extreme” also, but I don’t think it enables Core Image? I know for certain I’ve had both QE CI working with PCI FX5200. I think the BW may also support 10.5.8 with the G4 CPU and FX 5200? Just something to think about. Best luck! Kris Tilford - Topeka, KS -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
