Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
The PPC G5 was running 10.5 (.2 I believe). I tried again. It will boot from the cloned G5 drive on the external hard drive, but the mouse still fails to work after boot-up, regardless of which USB port I try. -- Original message from John Martz : -- > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:16 PM, wrote: > > 10.5.7 for the OS > > I assume that's what the mini is using ... how about the PPC G5 whose > recovered install drive you were trying to boot from? What OS was it > using? (Just wondering if that external drive contained the version of > Tiger (or later) which supports Intel or an earlier Mac OS. > > -irrational john > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on > Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en > Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml > -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- >
Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:16 PM, wrote: > 10.5.7 for the OS I assume that's what the mini is using ... how about the PPC G5 whose recovered install drive you were trying to boot from? What OS was it using? (Just wondering if that external drive contained the version of Tiger (or later) which supports Intel or an earlier Mac OS. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
10.5.7 for the OS -> > What flavor of Mac Mini do you have? And what version of OS X is it using? > > -irrational john > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a > group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on > Power Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en > Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml > -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- >
Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
Macmini2,1 Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor Speed: 2 GHz Number Of Processors: 1 Total Number Of Cores: 2 L2 Cache: 4 MB Memory: 3 GBI'll try the archive and install migration this weekend since the brute force drag and drop wasn't successful.> > What flavor of Mac Mini do you have? And what version of OS X is it using? > > -irrational john > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a > group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on > Power Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en > Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml > -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- >
Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM, McGrude wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:32 PM, iJohn wrote: >> Yet another reason to move to Snow Leopard this fall ... > > No need to wait. Download monolingual... Thanks for the suggestion, but I'll wait. I'm still too new to the Mac & to OS X and thus (obviously) too naive about the basics. I'm not particularly squeezed for space at the moment so I'll stay with what Apple has blessed rather than go out on a limb. I'm just surprised that the universal binaries were used for OS X. It appears that during the migration to the Intel Macs back circa 2006 that Apple essentially "bloated up" OS X by including binaries for both CPUs. Now with the advent of Snow Leopard only the Intel binaries will be installed and ... surprise!! ... the size of OS X suddenly shrinks. Such technical genius! The situation reminds me of those wonderful department store jewelry sales offering you 30% off! What is not mentioned is that they increased the list price by 80% before putting it on sale. Such a deal! ;-) Anyway to return to the original poster's question, why wouldn't his PPC partition boot on his mini? The first question which comes to my mind is if the OS used on his PPC also used the universal binaries. I assume that if it's anything earlier than the 10.4.4 (Intel) update to Tiger that there's no way that it could work on an Intel Mac Mini. -irrational john -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:32 PM, iJohn wrote: > Yet another reason to move to Snow Leopard this fall ... No need to wait. Download monolingual... ... but read the FAQ first re: PPC, Rosetta and the frameworks... http://monolingual.sourceforge.net/faq.php --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:23 PM, McGrude wrote: > They're all universal binaries... Well, if that's the case then you've just explained how Apple was able to actually "shrink" the size of OS X in Snow Leopard. Getting rid of the PPC binaries would certainly accomplish that. (Funny I've never seen this pointed out before.) Yet another reason to move to Snow Leopard this fall ... -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
> They're all universal binaries... Another data point... my 1.8 G5 single... [Plutonium] [hogsett] [/bin] --> file sh sh: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures sh (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386 sh (for architecture ppc7400): Mach-O executable ppc [Plutonium] [hogsett] [/bin] --> file /mach_kernel /mach_kernel: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures /mach_kernel (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386 /mach_kernel (for architecture ppc):Mach-O executable ppc [Plutonium] [hogsett] [/bin] --> file /Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail /Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures /Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386 /Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail (for architecture ppc7400): Mach-O executable ppc [Plutonium] [hogsett] [/bin] --> uname -a Darwin Plutonium.local 9.7.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.7.0: Tue Mar 31 22:54:29 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.12.14~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh [Plutonium] [hogsett] [/bin] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
> If if did, then that would imply that the program binaries used by > both the PPC & Intel Macs was being stored on your PPC hard drive. IMO > that would be a lot of wasted space! (Lord knows I don't want any OS X > PPC binaries on my Intel MacBook's hard drive.) They're all universal binaries... For example : /bin/sh [rogue] [hogsett] [/bin] --> file sh sh: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures sh (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386 sh (for architecture ppc7400): Mach-O executable ppc [rogue] [hogsett] [/bin] --> uname -a Darwin rogue.csl.sri.com 9.7.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.7.0: Tue Mar 31 22:52:17 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.12.14~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 [rogue] [hogsett] [/bin] And /Applications/Mail.app [rogue] [hogsett] [/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS] --> pwd /Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS [rogue] [hogsett] [/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS] --> file Mail Mail: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures Mail (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386 Mail (for architecture ppc7400):Mach-O executable ppc [rogue] [hogsett] [/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, wrote: > Does anyone know if an Intel > Mac can be booted from a PPC boot drive? While I can't answer the question, I would certainly hope that this would *NOT* work. If if did, then that would imply that the program binaries used by both the PPC & Intel Macs was being stored on your PPC hard drive. IMO that would be a lot of wasted space! (Lord knows I don't want any OS X PPC binaries on my Intel MacBook's hard drive.) > I wouldn't bother; however, the mail, calendar, and address book files don't > seem to be readily accessible. No doubt someone else will point you towards a way to migrate the data for these apps to your mini. But a possible (alternative) brute force approach that might work for you would be to (1) clone your existing PPC clone to another disk, partition, or image to make sure it is saved. (2) attach the cloned PPC clone to the mini as an external drive (3) use the install disks that came with mini to do an "Archive and Install" to the external drive (PPC partition) the tech saved for you. Choose the install option which will preserve the existing user settings of the OS X on the external drive. Hopefully this will result in a migrating the PPC version of OS X to an Intel flavor which will boot on the mini and with the old settings and data for you mail, calendar, and address book preserved. (REMEMBER: Just make sure you don't destroy the original data just in case something goes wrong). What flavor of Mac Mini do you have? And what version of OS X is it using? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?
My dual 2.5 G5 with the CPU error that wouldn't boot (possibly due to bad capacitor acc. to earlier respnses) is still dead. The local tech cloned its boot drive onto an external hard drive for me so that I could use it to boot our Mac Mini. He said he wasn't sure if it would work as the boot drive for an Intel Mac. When I select it as the boot drive, the keyboard won't work when it finally finishes booting. Does anyone know if an Intel Mac can be booted from a PPC boot drive? I wouldn't bother; however, the mail, calendar, and address book files don't seem to be readily accessible. I drag and dropped the files that were indicated in Apple's support pages and other places on the web as the appropriate data files from the clone drive to the Mini, but they still don't seem to come up with the data, so this is plan b. Thanks. Jason
