Re: [Audyssey] dos and memory usage (was Running DOS games on windows 10?)

[Shaun Everiss]

I do agree.
And for me its the other way.
Windows is to simple, so if it breaks no one knows what to do anymore.



On 11/03/2017 4:33 a.m., Travis Siegel wrote:

This is just plain wrong.  Dos was not overly complicated, unix still
exists, and it is very similar to dos.  The only thing dos didn't do was
multitask (though later versions of dos and 3rd party utilities did
solve this problem to some degree), the fact that you didn't understand
it doesn't make it complicated, confusing and useless.  Unix is still in
very wide use today, and yes, even unix has gui interfaces, but ask any
decent system admin, and they'll tell you that if you need something
done quickly, and accurately, there's no substitute for a straight up
command line, since you can accomplish with a single command what might
take several clicks with a mouse, and (in rare cases) can't be done at
all using the gui.
Nothing wrong with dos, unix, or any other type of operating sytem, each
person uses what works for them, and that's just fine, that's the whole
point of choice afterall.
In your example, the reason your cd command din't change you to another
drive, is because changing drives is a simple as typing in the new drive
letter.  You want drive d or drive e, just type d: or e:.  That's all
there is to it.
But, in any case, this is way off topic for the list, so let's try to
limit discussions on this.  The fact that you can still play dos games
whether it be with emulators, or by converting them to windows programs
by recompiling/rewriting them in modern languages/compilers shouldn't be
too far off topic though.  I'd be more than willing to assist anyone
wishing to port dos games to windows if they have source code for said
games. It's often not a straightforward port, but it's also usually not
all that difficult either, just a matter of recoding to take advantage
of event driven instead of command driven interfaces.  I'm perfectly to
help anyone needing/wanting help porting programs to windows, linux,
mac, or any other os I can get my hands on if I can make it talk.  It's
extremely rewarding to see a program be revived from ashes, and see it
running on modern operating systems, not to mention it allows many
others to enjoy that program who might otherwise not have had the chance.


On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, john wrote:


Josh,
That's because dos commands are complicated, confusing, and involve
far more detail than 90% of computer users ever want to deal
with.
Consider the following basic example:
c:\users\john> cd e:
c:\users\john>

Change directory to e:? Why am I still in my home directory?
Its because cd is complicated and painful, and requires you to specify
that you want to change drives, and if you don't, it won't
tell you something went wrong.

It is generally a good thing that commandlines are shifting to only be
used in rare circumstances, because without this change,
computers would never have grown to be what they are today.

Also remember that most people don't know how to use dos because,
quite simply, its immensely limited.
Dos may have been great in its heyday, but that time is long past.
640kb of memory can't even run hellow world now.

--
From: "Joshua Kennedy" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 8:48
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Running DOS games on windows 10?

it amaizes me that people today do not know how to use even basic dos
commands. they don't know about stuff like extended memory, upper memory
blocks, how to enable them, the fact that for example lotus123 for dos
requires xmb and extended memory and upper memory to be enabled to run
and so on.



On 3/7/2017 5:52 PM, Ryan Conroy wrote:

Thanks, but can you tell me how to use it? Like give me an example of
how to run a game?

You can email me off list if you'd like to.


On 3/7/2017 2:58 PM, Joshua Kennedy wrote:

you can use talking dosbox with the asap screen reader and NVDA in
sleep mode, get it from


http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/talking_dosbox_Win3.1_Keynote_Keysoft.zip






On 3/6/2017 6:05 PM, Ryan Conroy wrote:

Hey guys,

Does anyone on here know how to run dos games on windows 10? I've
read about DOSBox, but have no idea how to use it. I downloaded it,
but I'm completely lost. If someone could help me with that, I'd
highly appreciate it. Other than that though, are there any other
ways to run DOS games on windows 10?
Thanks so much,
Ryan

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Re: [Audyssey] Xbox one games for the blind.

[Paul Lemm]

Hi michael,

Its good to hear the narator works well on the xbox 1,  but that's amazing
news to hear they are working for text to speech within games , that could
be the bridge between audio games and main stream games that everyone's been
waiting for. thanks for the update, I'll have to keep a listen out for more
information on this in the future 

Paul

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From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael
barnes
Sent: 10 March 2017 05:23
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Xbox one games for the blind.

The Narrator is pretty good.
Microsoft is striving to improve it this year.
Another thing they are working on is a text to speech engine for apps and
games.
This will allow you to be able to read all game menus and dialog.
Game developers are starting to add audio cues to indicate where characters
are on the screen.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 9, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Paul Lemm  wrote:
> 
> Hi michael,
> 
> Although I can't help on the games front, can I ask how good  is the
narator
> on the xbox 1?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael
> barnes
> Sent: 09 March 2017 16:29
> To: gamers@audyssey.org
> Subject: [Audyssey] Xbox one games for the blind.
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I just got a Xbox one.
> I was wondering what games are good to play as a totally blind person?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: [Audyssey] Running DOS games on windows 10?

[Travis Siegel]

You can play all of those games using winfrotz if you own them already. 
So, no need to go back to dos.



On Thu, 9 Mar 2017, Danielle Ledet wrote:


Well I found DOS easy to use. It was just a matter of memorizing
commands. Now we have just abunch of robots going thru life. I do miss
some of my favorite text adventures like Leather Goddesses of Fobos,
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Leisure Suit Larry, but it's not
worth it for me to fool around with now. With my luck, I'll try to
install this DOS Box and it'll all crash! Then, I'll be out of
commission for God knows how long. Thank you, no thank you! Ya'll can
play!


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[Audyssey] dos and memory usage (was Running DOS games on windows 10?)

[Travis Siegel]

This is just plain wrong.  Dos was not overly complicated, unix still 
exists, and it is very similar to dos.  The only thing dos didn't do was 
multitask (though later versions of dos and 3rd party utilities did solve 
this problem to some degree), the fact that you didn't understand it 
doesn't make it complicated, confusing and useless.  Unix is still in very 
wide use today, and yes, even unix has gui interfaces, but ask any decent 
system admin, and they'll tell you that if you need something done 
quickly, and accurately, there's no substitute for a straight up command 
line, since you can accomplish with a single command what might take 
several clicks with a mouse, and (in rare cases) can't be done at all 
using the gui.
Nothing wrong with dos, unix, or any other type of operating sytem, each 
person uses what works for them, and that's just fine, that's the whole 
point of choice afterall.
In your example, the reason your cd command din't change you to another 
drive, is because changing drives is a simple as typing in the new drive 
letter.  You want drive d or drive e, just type d: or e:.  That's all 
there is to it.
But, in any case, this is way off topic for the list, so let's try to 
limit discussions on this.  The fact that you can still play dos games 
whether it be with emulators, or by converting them to windows programs by 
recompiling/rewriting them in modern languages/compilers shouldn't be too 
far off topic though.  I'd be more than willing to assist anyone wishing 
to port dos games to windows if they have source code for said games. 
It's often not a straightforward port, but it's also usually not all that 
difficult either, just a matter of recoding to take advantage of event 
driven instead of command driven interfaces.  I'm perfectly to help anyone 
needing/wanting help porting programs to windows, linux, mac, or any other 
os I can get my hands on if I can make it talk.  It's extremely rewarding 
to see a program be revived from ashes, and see it running on modern 
operating systems, not to mention it allows many others to enjoy that 
program who might otherwise not have had the chance.



On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, john wrote:


Josh,
That's because dos commands are complicated, confusing, and involve far more 
detail than 90% of computer users ever want to deal
with.
Consider the following basic example:
c:\users\john> cd e:
c:\users\john>

Change directory to e:? Why am I still in my home directory?
Its because cd is complicated and painful, and requires you to specify that you 
want to change drives, and if you don't, it won't
tell you something went wrong.

It is generally a good thing that commandlines are shifting to only be used in 
rare circumstances, because without this change,
computers would never have grown to be what they are today.

Also remember that most people don't know how to use dos because, quite simply, 
its immensely limited.
Dos may have been great in its heyday, but that time is long past. 640kb of 
memory can't even run hellow world now.

--
From: "Joshua Kennedy" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 8:48
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Running DOS games on windows 10?

it amaizes me that people today do not know how to use even basic dos
commands. they don't know about stuff like extended memory, upper memory
blocks, how to enable them, the fact that for example lotus123 for dos
requires xmb and extended memory and upper memory to be enabled to run
and so on.



On 3/7/2017 5:52 PM, Ryan Conroy wrote:

Thanks, but can you tell me how to use it? Like give me an example of
how to run a game?

You can email me off list if you'd like to.


On 3/7/2017 2:58 PM, Joshua Kennedy wrote:

you can use talking dosbox with the asap screen reader and NVDA in
sleep mode, get it from


http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/talking_dosbox_Win3.1_Keynote_Keysoft.zip





On 3/6/2017 6:05 PM, Ryan Conroy wrote:

Hey guys,

Does anyone on here know how to run dos games on windows 10? I've
read about DOSBox, but have no idea how to use it. I downloaded it,
but I'm completely lost. If someone could help me with that, I'd
highly appreciate it. Other than that though, are there any other
ways to run DOS games on windows 10?
Thanks so much,
Ryan

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Gundry MD
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Re: [Audyssey] Kitchensinc games.

[Travis Siegel]

All of those games could easily be ported to powerbasic, even the dos 
games, which would make them runable on windows, with very little work. 
I've ported all kinds of quick basic, gw basic, and others to powerbasic, 
and it's trivially easy.  If someone could get ahold of Jim's source, I'd 
be more than happy to do the conversions, just so all Jim's hard work 
doesn't have to go by the wayside.



On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, Joshua Kennedy wrote:

jim wrote all his games in visual basic 6 for windows95 and windows98. and 
for his dos games, he wrote them in q-basic for dos.





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Re: [Audyssey] Running DOS games on windows 10?

[john]

Just get an if interpreter for windows, there are dozens out there.

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From: "Danielle Ledet" 
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 17:57
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Running DOS games on windows 10?

Well I found DOS easy to use. It was just a matter of memorizing
commands. Now we have just abunch of robots going thru life. I do miss
some of my favorite text adventures like Leather Goddesses of Fobos,
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Leisure Suit Larry, but it's not
worth it for me to fool around with now. With my luck, I'll try to
install this DOS Box and it'll all crash! Then, I'll be out of
commission for God knows how long. Thank you, no thank you! Ya'll can
play!


On 3/8/17, Joshua Kennedy  wrote:
> yes and that is why i use talking dosbox with nvda in sleep mode. so i
> can use all my favorite dos programs once more in a real dos environment
> with a real dos screen reader. and its nice that  the dos screen reader
> talks using whatever voice you have set in NVDA, even if that voice is
> decTalk.
>
>
>
> On 3/8/2017 5:36 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>> Hmmm.
>> I do agree some of those commands are a bit inflexable.
>> the cd command yes you could switch folders but still remain in your
>> home drive.
>> You have to switch to that drive first.
>> But it all depends how you were brought up.
>> I was born in 1982, in 1991 I got my first computer.
>> for 5.5 years I used dos.
>> in 1996 I got my first windows system but still used dos.
>> in 2002 I got my next system with windows.
>> Still used dos for some stuff a bit less.
>> in 2006 I got my next system, still used dos a bit.
>> in 2010 I got another system.
>> Still used dos, though by then the system was dieing the battery got
>> vary hot and the drives were failing.
>> In 2011 I stopped using dos.
>> Its 2017 now and about 4 years back I got the system I am using now.
>> I only use windows, however through my teen years I used dos for
>> gaming etc.
>> Its true I used the keysoft shell most of my life so the only time I
>> ever did true dos were reformats, setups, or gaming so I probably
>> didn't do much.
>> Where I had to do something complex I set a batch file to do it though
>> I have read more complex dos stuff.
>> Dos died with the later windows and the fact with 64 bit units ms is
>> really pushing dos out.
>> Problem is now everyone thinks that if the system puts an error out
>> they expect to click something for it to go away, no one appreciates
>> how things work.
>> Judging from your mail, you were either going through the electronic
>> borg process between worlds of windows and dos or you had a hard time
>> of it.
>> Dos was a single task nightmare and sometimes I wished it could be a
>> bit better.
>> But I still liked it at times.
>> Even screen readers now are not as good as the dos ones were.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/03/2017 5:18 a.m., john wrote:
>>> Josh,
>>> That's because dos commands are complicated, confusing, and involve
>>> far more detail than 90% of computer users ever want to deal
>>> with.
>>> Consider the following basic example:
>>> c:\users\john> cd e:
>>> c:\users\john>
>>>
>>> Change directory to e:? Why am I still in my home directory?
>>> Its because cd is complicated and painful, and requires you to
>>> specify that you want to change drives, and if you don't, it won't
>>> tell you something went wrong.
>>>
>>> It is generally a good thing that commandlines are shifting to only
>>> be used in rare circumstances, because without this change,
>>> computers would never have grown to be what they are today.
>>>
>>> Also remember that most people don't know how to use dos because,
>>> quite simply, its immensely limited.
>>> Dos may have been great in its heyday, but that time is long past.
>>> 640kb of memory can't even run hellow world now.
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Joshua Kennedy" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 8:48
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Running DOS games on windows 10?
>>>
>>> it amaizes me that people today do not know how to use even basic dos
>>> commands. they don't know about stuff like extended memory, upper memory
>>> blocks, how to enable them, the fact that for example lotus123 for dos
>>> requires xmb and extended memory and upper memory to be enabled to run
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/7/2017 5:52 PM, Ryan Conroy wrote:
 Thanks, but can you tell me how to use it? Like give me an example of
 how to run a game?

 You can email me off list if you'd like to.


 On 3/7/2017 2:58 PM, Joshua Kennedy wrote:
> you can use talking dosbox with the asap screen reader and NVDA in
> sleep mode, get it from
>
>
> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/talking_dosbox_Win3.1_Keynote_Keysoft.zip