Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
Hi Thomas, Yes, I am still developing in VB6. I have been told that all Visual Basic versions newer than that are a totally different type of programming. You know the object oriented thing. And I have not been able to rap my head around that since I have programmed in the other type of Basic for 30 years. I may be wrong here, but I do not believe that VB6 can support the writing to the end users local directories thing. I did try looking for that ability in VB6 and could not get it. You are also correct that I run my computer as administrator all the time. Now I am going to jinx myself. I have in 30 years never had a virus, hard drive crash, registry error or even had to re due a hard drive or anything like that. I do run virus protection on my Internet computer but have no other system tools. Well I do run the system hard drive defrag, but that is it. BFN Jim BTW I am not on AIM, AOL Instant messenger, BlinkNation, Face Book, Handy, ICQ, Klango, msn, My space, Skype, System Access Mobile Network, twitter, Vinux, Windows Live messenger, yahoo Messenger or any Blog. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
Hi Dark, Wink. Your problem is just one more argument for not running the system as administrator. If you screw up a standard account no big deal. Mess up the administrator account and you can have something of a mess on your hands. I'm getting down off my soapbox now. Cheers! dark wrote: Yep, as I said, with a friend's help I was able to create a new admin account and delete the old one. Apart from sending my program icons haywire, it's working well. One thing this does prove is that our loyal developers are pretty good about making program icons install to all users programs instead of user programs, which is helpful. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
Hi William, Perhaps so, but the list moderators make the decisions what topics get rejected and which are approved. I approved this one as I saw Dark needed the help.Now, that the issue seams to be taken care of I agree it is time to close the topic and move on to more game related topics. Cheers! william lomas wrote: hasn't this crisis thing dragge on a bit it rediculous --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
Hi Dark, Dark said: It just shows that obviously all the Audio game dev's had their heads screwed on regarding user accounts. My response: Yes and no. As far as where the icons get installed most accessible games do install them to the default all users start menu folder as it should be. However, there are plenty of other areas where the accessible game developers have not adopted a good multiuser design. Take the GMA Engine as an example here. Every game that uses the GMA Engine saves games, settings, etc directly to the game's root directory. Why is that bad? Well, beginning with Windows 2000 only the administrator accounts have read write access to folders and directories inside c:\Program Files. So as a result anyone running his/her computer as a non-administrator, which they should be if they are smart, the games will crash with an unable to read/write error. This error could easily be fixed by adopting a multiuser design that writes the saved games, settings, and so on to the end users local directories instead of the root folder. I confess this annoys the heck out of me, but I do understand why GMA, Jim Kitchen, and others have not as yet adopted a good multiuser design. Most of our accessible game developers are still using Visual Basic 6, a technology designed for Windows 95/98, and in a very real sense many accessible game developers are designing software for a different era of Windows. They probably have never thought much about how their old habits, ways of doing things, is becoming less and less compatible with newer versions of Windows all the time. Another reason is as simple as I'd say most of my fellow game developers don't adopt good security measures to begin with. According to Microsoft an end user should create two user accounts. you should have one administrator account to handle software installs, system upgrades, and other admin specific tasks. Then, you should have a standard user account for your day to day use such as e-mail, playing games, working on Word documents, etc. If a user follows that advice not only will their system be more secure it will help cut down problems with viruses and other forms of malware. However, I've personally noticed most Windows users either don't know or ignore this basic security measure and go on right ahead and run as administrator anyway. Assuming the laws of averages are on my side I'll say most accessible game developers hardly think about multiuser support, because they only run as administrator themselves. They don't have a problem with the game crashing as a standard user, because they never run as a standard user. If they took proper security measures, as they should, they'd have fixed the problem by now. Dark said: About multi-user environments in general, i personally would give a lot to have precisely the opposite option. My response: Well, when it comes to multiuser environments Windows users have been extremely spoiled as it wasn't always necessary to have multiple user accounts setup on the system. Windows 3.1, 95, 98, and Mellennium all were designed to run with only one single user account. When Microsoft switched over to the NT platform with Windows 2000, XP, Vista, and Windows 7 they adopted a Unix style user account setup and security. Instead of having one account you should have two accounts one for administrative tasks and one for standard operations. Most Windows users haven't put that kind of security in place either because they don't know they are suppose to do it that way, or just don't care about that extra layer of security. Either way I rarely see people put it into practice on Windows. As for myself I learned early on about multiple user acounts when I began using Linux about 10 years ago. At any given time a Linux user usually has at least two accounts. I have a root account for performing administrative tasks, and a single user account for everything else. Most of the time I can perform admin tasks by using a Linux tool called sudo which gives me admin permissions without being logged on the system as root. Anyway, when I began using Windows 2000, XP, etc the concept of having an admin account and a standard user account wasn't any big surprise for me. It was probably easier for me than most to configure my Windows computers to boot directly into the standard account, and I would only login as admin if and when I needed too. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
aah switching icons is not the issue especially if you keep the account files this includes switching things around. however you would have to reinstall all screen readers and other programs not loaded just for all users. At 09:51 p.m. 14/10/2009, you wrote: >Yep, as I said, with a friend's help I was able to create a new admin account >and delete the old one. > >Apart from sending my program icons haywire, it's working well. > >One thing this does prove is that our loyal developers are pretty good about >making program icons install to all users programs instead of user programs, >which is helpful. > >Beware the grue! > >Dark. > >Beware the grue! > >Dark. > > >--- >Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
You tell 'em! At 05:24 PM 14/10/2009, you wrote: Well I'm so sorry my desktop broke, and that the suggestions and discussion on the issue which helpful people like Tom have made have disturbed your life! My profuse appologies! I should've considdered your time before having my desktop break. Oh, and not to mention the politeness of me thanking those who's suggestions have been helpful, how careless and nasty of me of to offer my thanks. Btw, if you have no interest in a thread, don't read it! it's the moderators job to say when a thread has or has not continued beyond it's time. Dark. - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted hasn't this crisis thing dragge on a bit it rediculous On 14 Oct 2009, at 04:39, dark wrote: Ironically Tom, all my audio games seem to have survived the process unscathed. It's my text adventure and none audio games which haven't faired so well, though sinse many (though by no means all), of those originally came as Zip folders which I personally then created program groups for it's understandable, - though even the ones which installed Exe files have had this problem for some odd reason. It just shows that obviously all the Audiogame dev's had their heads screwed on regarding user accounts. About multi-user environments in general, i personally would give a lot to have precisely the opposite option. I've always used my own computers myself, and been the only person doing so. In fact other than buisnesses or institutional networks I'd always advocate one person use their own computer if at all possible sinse that way they get most familiar with things (my mum, who is a novice computer user, and my brother who is very advance had extreme problems in this manner when they attempted to share a desktop using multiple accounts). My mum as a consequence has no idea of basic file structure or where things are stored, or even how to open documents without directly using ms word. Some of my weerder dosbox style programs i think I'm going to have to reinstall rather than playing hunt the run file, though this is certainly less of a pest than it might have been. I'm most impressed with Hal, which seems to be able to run independently of all user account shinanigans, despite the orphius issue. I even managed to run it in default windows profile. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted Hi Dark, Glad to see you have the problem under control. As for the missing icons there really isn't anything strange about that really. Some programs install icons to your local user account's start menu folder rather than globally to the default start menu folder. The end result is if you create a new account the icons come up missing. The easiest way to fix that little problem is to copy those icons from the local start menu folder to the default "all users" start menu folder. Once you do that it doesn't matter if you have 1 or 100 user accounts they all have access to the icons. As it happens you aren't the only one that has user account woes in this area. Unlike Linux developers that always assumes a multiuser environment far too many Windows developers program software for a single user environment. For those of us who run Windows in a multiuser environment it gets to be a pain, because there really isn't any excuse to program software for a single user environment. With the release of Vista and Windows 7 Microsoft beginning to kick developers in the butt, and letting them get use to the idea of programming for a multiuser environment. The only problem is it is hard to break developers of bad habbits formed ages ago. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.or
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
Yep, as I said, with a friend's help I was able to create a new admin account and delete the old one. Apart from sending my program icons haywire, it's working well. One thing this does prove is that our loyal developers are pretty good about making program icons install to all users programs instead of user programs, which is helpful. Beware the grue! Dark. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
so did you finally get the system fixed? At 07:24 p.m. 14/10/2009, you wrote: >Well I'm so sorry my desktop broke, and that the suggestions and discussion on >the issue which helpful people like Tom have made have disturbed your life! > >My profuse appologies! I should've considdered your time before having my >desktop break. > >Oh, and not to mention the politeness of me thanking those who's suggestions >have been helpful, how careless and nasty of me of to offer my thanks. > >Btw, if you have no interest in a thread, don't read it! it's the moderators >job to say when a thread has or has not continued beyond it's time. > >Dark. >- Original Message - From: "william lomas" > >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:16 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted > > >>hasn't this crisis thing dragge on a bit >>it rediculous >> >>On 14 Oct 2009, at 04:39, dark wrote: >> >>>Ironically Tom, all my audio games seem to have survived the process >>>unscathed. It's my text adventure and none audio games which haven't faired >>>so well, though sinse many (though by no means all), of those >>>originally came as Zip folders which I personally then created program >>>groups for it's understandable, - though even the ones which installed >>>Exe files have had this problem for some odd reason. >>> >>>It just shows that obviously all the Audiogame dev's had their heads screwed >>>on regarding user accounts. >>> >>>About multi-user environments in general, i personally would give a lot to >>>have precisely the opposite option. >>> >>>I've always used my own computers myself, and been the only person doing >>>so. In fact other than buisnesses or institutional networks I'd always >>>advocate one person use their own computer if at all possible sinse that >>>way they get most familiar with things (my mum, who is a novice computer >>>user, and my brother who is very advance had extreme problems in this >>>manner when they attempted to share a desktop using multiple accounts). >>> >>>My mum as a consequence has no idea of basic file structure or where things >>>are stored, or even how to open documents without directly using ms >>>word. >>> >>>Some of my weerder dosbox style programs i think I'm going to have to >>>reinstall rather than playing hunt the run file, though this is >>>certainly less of a pest than it might have been. >>> >>>I'm most impressed with Hal, which seems to be able to run independently of >>>all user account shinanigans, despite the orphius issue. >>> >>>I even managed to run it in default windows profile. >>> >>>Beware the grue! >>> >>>dark. >>>- Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" >>> >>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:05 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted >>> >>> >>>>Hi Dark, >>>>Glad to see you have the problem under control. As for the missing icons >>>>there really isn't anything strange about that really. Some programs >>>>install icons to your local user account's start menu folder rather than >>>>globally to the default start menu folder. The end result is if you create >>>>a new account the icons come up missing. The easiest way to fix that >>>>little problem is to copy those icons from the local start menu folder to >>>>the default "all users" start menu folder. Once you do that it doesn't >>>>matter if you have 1 or 100 user accounts they all have access to the >>>>icons. >>>>As it happens you aren't the only one that has user account woes in this >>>>area. Unlike Linux developers that always assumes a multiuser environment >>>>far too many Windows developers program software for a single user >>>>environment. For those of us who run Windows in a multiuser environment it >>>>gets to be a pain, because there really isn't any excuse to program >>>>software for a single user environment. With the release of Vista and >>>>Windows 7 Microsoft beginning to kick developers in the butt, and letting >>>>them get use to the idea of programming for a multiuser environment. The >>>
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
I aggree with you. on win98 its not been necessary to have a user account unless you logged into a network requiring a password to connect. in win xp you can run on one user in vista and up I think you need a password for the user, all systems hare have only one user. At 04:39 p.m. 14/10/2009, you wrote: >Ironically Tom, all my audio games seem to have survived the process >unscathed. It's my text adventure and none audio games which haven't faired so >well, though sinse many (though by no means all), of those originally >came as Zip folders which I personally then created program groups for it's >understandable, - though even the ones which installed Exe files have had >this problem for some odd reason. > >It just shows that obviously all the Audiogame dev's had their heads screwed >on regarding user accounts. > >About multi-user environments in general, i personally would give a lot to >have precisely the opposite option. > >I've always used my own computers myself, and been the only person doing so. >In fact other than buisnesses or institutional networks I'd always advocate >one person use their own computer if at all possible sinse that way they get >most familiar with things (my mum, who is a novice computer user, and my >brother who is very advance had extreme problems in this manner when they >attempted to share a desktop using multiple accounts). > >My mum as a consequence has no idea of basic file structure or where things >are stored, or even how to open documents without directly using ms word. > >Some of my weerder dosbox style programs i think I'm going to have to >reinstall rather than playing hunt the run file, though this is certainly >less of a pest than it might have been. > >I'm most impressed with Hal, which seems to be able to run independently of >all user account shinanigans, despite the orphius issue. > >I even managed to run it in default windows profile. > >Beware the grue! > >dark. >- Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:05 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted > > >>Hi Dark, >>Glad to see you have the problem under control. As for the missing icons >>there really isn't anything strange about that really. Some programs install >>icons to your local user account's start menu folder rather than globally to >>the default start menu folder. The end result is if you create a new account >>the icons come up missing. The easiest way to fix that little problem is to >>copy those icons from the local start menu folder to the default "all users" >>start menu folder. Once you do that it doesn't matter if you have 1 or 100 >>user accounts they all have access to the icons. >>As it happens you aren't the only one that has user account woes in this >>area. Unlike Linux developers that always assumes a multiuser environment far >>too many Windows developers program software for a single user environment. >>For those of us who run Windows in a multiuser environment it gets to be a >>pain, because there really isn't any excuse to program software for a single >>user environment. With the release of Vista and Windows 7 Microsoft beginning >>to kick developers in the butt, and letting them get use to the idea of >>programming for a multiuser environment. The only problem is it is hard to >>break developers of bad habbits formed ages ago. >> >>Smile. >> >> >>--- >>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > >--- >Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
Well I'm so sorry my desktop broke, and that the suggestions and discussion on the issue which helpful people like Tom have made have disturbed your life! My profuse appologies! I should've considdered your time before having my desktop break. Oh, and not to mention the politeness of me thanking those who's suggestions have been helpful, how careless and nasty of me of to offer my thanks. Btw, if you have no interest in a thread, don't read it! it's the moderators job to say when a thread has or has not continued beyond it's time. Dark. - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted hasn't this crisis thing dragge on a bit it rediculous On 14 Oct 2009, at 04:39, dark wrote: Ironically Tom, all my audio games seem to have survived the process unscathed. It's my text adventure and none audio games which haven't faired so well, though sinse many (though by no means all), of those originally came as Zip folders which I personally then created program groups for it's understandable, - though even the ones which installed Exe files have had this problem for some odd reason. It just shows that obviously all the Audiogame dev's had their heads screwed on regarding user accounts. About multi-user environments in general, i personally would give a lot to have precisely the opposite option. I've always used my own computers myself, and been the only person doing so. In fact other than buisnesses or institutional networks I'd always advocate one person use their own computer if at all possible sinse that way they get most familiar with things (my mum, who is a novice computer user, and my brother who is very advance had extreme problems in this manner when they attempted to share a desktop using multiple accounts). My mum as a consequence has no idea of basic file structure or where things are stored, or even how to open documents without directly using ms word. Some of my weerder dosbox style programs i think I'm going to have to reinstall rather than playing hunt the run file, though this is certainly less of a pest than it might have been. I'm most impressed with Hal, which seems to be able to run independently of all user account shinanigans, despite the orphius issue. I even managed to run it in default windows profile. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted Hi Dark, Glad to see you have the problem under control. As for the missing icons there really isn't anything strange about that really. Some programs install icons to your local user account's start menu folder rather than globally to the default start menu folder. The end result is if you create a new account the icons come up missing. The easiest way to fix that little problem is to copy those icons from the local start menu folder to the default "all users" start menu folder. Once you do that it doesn't matter if you have 1 or 100 user accounts they all have access to the icons. As it happens you aren't the only one that has user account woes in this area. Unlike Linux developers that always assumes a multiuser environment far too many Windows developers program software for a single user environment. For those of us who run Windows in a multiuser environment it gets to be a pain, because there really isn't any excuse to program software for a single user environment. With the release of Vista and Windows 7 Microsoft beginning to kick developers in the butt, and letting them get use to the idea of programming for a multiuser environment. The only problem is it is hard to break developers of bad habbits formed ages ago. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the ma
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
hasn't this crisis thing dragge on a bit it rediculous On 14 Oct 2009, at 04:39, dark wrote: Ironically Tom, all my audio games seem to have survived the process unscathed. It's my text adventure and none audio games which haven't faired so well, though sinse many (though by no means all), of those originally came as Zip folders which I personally then created program groups for it's understandable, - though even the ones which installed Exe files have had this problem for some odd reason. It just shows that obviously all the Audiogame dev's had their heads screwed on regarding user accounts. About multi-user environments in general, i personally would give a lot to have precisely the opposite option. I've always used my own computers myself, and been the only person doing so. In fact other than buisnesses or institutional networks I'd always advocate one person use their own computer if at all possible sinse that way they get most familiar with things (my mum, who is a novice computer user, and my brother who is very advance had extreme problems in this manner when they attempted to share a desktop using multiple accounts). My mum as a consequence has no idea of basic file structure or where things are stored, or even how to open documents without directly using ms word. Some of my weerder dosbox style programs i think I'm going to have to reinstall rather than playing hunt the run file, though this is certainly less of a pest than it might have been. I'm most impressed with Hal, which seems to be able to run independently of all user account shinanigans, despite the orphius issue. I even managed to run it in default windows profile. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted Hi Dark, Glad to see you have the problem under control. As for the missing icons there really isn't anything strange about that really. Some programs install icons to your local user account's start menu folder rather than globally to the default start menu folder. The end result is if you create a new account the icons come up missing. The easiest way to fix that little problem is to copy those icons from the local start menu folder to the default "all users" start menu folder. Once you do that it doesn't matter if you have 1 or 100 user accounts they all have access to the icons. As it happens you aren't the only one that has user account woes in this area. Unlike Linux developers that always assumes a multiuser environment far too many Windows developers program software for a single user environment. For those of us who run Windows in a multiuser environment it gets to be a pain, because there really isn't any excuse to program software for a single user environment. With the release of Vista and Windows 7 Microsoft beginning to kick developers in the butt, and letting them get use to the idea of programming for a multiuser environment. The only problem is it is hard to break developers of bad habbits formed ages ago. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
Ironically Tom, all my audio games seem to have survived the process unscathed. It's my text adventure and none audio games which haven't faired so well, though sinse many (though by no means all), of those originally came as Zip folders which I personally then created program groups for it's understandable, - though even the ones which installed Exe files have had this problem for some odd reason. It just shows that obviously all the Audiogame dev's had their heads screwed on regarding user accounts. About multi-user environments in general, i personally would give a lot to have precisely the opposite option. I've always used my own computers myself, and been the only person doing so. In fact other than buisnesses or institutional networks I'd always advocate one person use their own computer if at all possible sinse that way they get most familiar with things (my mum, who is a novice computer user, and my brother who is very advance had extreme problems in this manner when they attempted to share a desktop using multiple accounts). My mum as a consequence has no idea of basic file structure or where things are stored, or even how to open documents without directly using ms word. Some of my weerder dosbox style programs i think I'm going to have to reinstall rather than playing hunt the run file, though this is certainly less of a pest than it might have been. I'm most impressed with Hal, which seems to be able to run independently of all user account shinanigans, despite the orphius issue. I even managed to run it in default windows profile. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted Hi Dark, Glad to see you have the problem under control. As for the missing icons there really isn't anything strange about that really. Some programs install icons to your local user account's start menu folder rather than globally to the default start menu folder. The end result is if you create a new account the icons come up missing. The easiest way to fix that little problem is to copy those icons from the local start menu folder to the default "all users" start menu folder. Once you do that it doesn't matter if you have 1 or 100 user accounts they all have access to the icons. As it happens you aren't the only one that has user account woes in this area. Unlike Linux developers that always assumes a multiuser environment far too many Windows developers program software for a single user environment. For those of us who run Windows in a multiuser environment it gets to be a pain, because there really isn't any excuse to program software for a single user environment. With the release of Vista and Windows 7 Microsoft beginning to kick developers in the butt, and letting them get use to the idea of programming for a multiuser environment. The only problem is it is hard to break developers of bad habbits formed ages ago. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis averted
Hi Dark, Glad to see you have the problem under control. As for the missing icons there really isn't anything strange about that really. Some programs install icons to your local user account's start menu folder rather than globally to the default start menu folder. The end result is if you create a new account the icons come up missing. The easiest way to fix that little problem is to copy those icons from the local start menu folder to the default "all users" start menu folder. Once you do that it doesn't matter if you have 1 or 100 user accounts they all have access to the icons. As it happens you aren't the only one that has user account woes in this area. Unlike Linux developers that always assumes a multiuser environment far too many Windows developers program software for a single user environment. For those of us who run Windows in a multiuser environment it gets to be a pain, because there really isn't any excuse to program software for a single user environment. With the release of Vista and Windows 7 Microsoft beginning to kick developers in the butt, and letting them get use to the idea of programming for a multiuser environment. The only problem is it is hard to break developers of bad habbits formed ages ago. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Crisis!
I have not been following this thread, but nobody, in quite some time, has even bothered to change a misspelled subject line. It seems like nobody even pays attention, because screen readers have always been mispronouncing an obvious word. It bugs me, so I changed it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts. - Original Message - From: "David Chittenden" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Crysis! Hello, Remember that the registry is extremely intentional by Microsoft to provide a way to help companies keep people from pirating their software. It is also why Windows spreads parts of almost every program around a little on your computer. David Chittenden, MS, CRC, MRCAA Thomas Ward wrote: Hi, Well, the registry is one of Microsoft's biggest mistakes. If you lose the registry you pretty much lose the entire ball of wax. With Linux every program, including the operating system, stores settings in *.conf files. As long as you make a back up of the conf file in question before editing it chances are you can easily recover and fix whatever changes you made. Most of the time changing one conf file won't result in nuking the entire operating system. Although, there are certain conf files you could screw up the entire operating system with if you weren't careful. Kevin Weispfennig wrote: Hi, yes, I also don't like that with the registry in Windows. Also you can like cheat, and also, crack games. With Mac its not that easy, when it comes down to cracking games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
