Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge
Hi, Agreed. Fact is Ian is the author of his games, and he soully has the right to decide how they get redistributed. While I might disagree with him about using email instead of offering them for download it is still his decision to make. Besides it has taken me longer to get things from Amazon.com than it took Ian to send me the Chess setup. I emailed him two days ago, and it just came in my inbox this morning. So a little patients is required. I like Chess as well as the next guy, but my world wasn't going to fall apart if the game didn't end up in my inbox 5 minutes after I made the request. Sheesh. Marsha wrote: If he is willing to put time and effert into making these games, free of charge, isn't it worth our time to do as he asks. It is very hard, after all, to send a reply with our name and country in the message. When there are sites who treat their users very badly, it is nice to see someone who is willing to take time for free. How about saying thanks instead of complaining? marsha --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge
He seems to prefer to destribute his games via email. Personally, I would think he'd do better to have a site set up where people could download them and perhaps fill in a form with their name, email and whereabouts. I don't think many people at all would begrudge him the time to fill in such a form. He's probably going to get swamped this time around though. Think of all those blind chess groups, schools with chess clubs, parents and others who are going to pounce on this. It's going to be quite a hefty number I'd say. Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Will Lomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge why doesn't he just put the damn games up for download why mess aroud getting it through e mail that is why i have never played his game, he makes getting them so time consuming On 22 Sep 2008, at 17:47, Michael Feir wrote: I hope I get the game from him soon to check it out. I don't play Chess often but always like to see how well accessible games are implemented. I expect he'll get flooded with emails this time around. Chess is pretty popular. In layman's terms, what is a rating of 2300 like? Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers ChessChallenge From my inbox. I was a tester for this game, and it is totally blind friendly, with some features that beginners will appreciate. Here are the ratings of the skill levels: Beginner: 600 Novice: 1000 Intermediate: 1400 Advanced: 1900 Expert: 2300 Give it a try and see what you think? The game is free of charge. --- The Difference Between Obama and Osama is Just a Little BS - Original Message - From: Spoonbill Software - Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:55 AM Subject: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers Chess Challenge Hi, You are receiving this email because you have previously requested a game from Spoonbill Software's Blind Gamers series. If you do not want to receive notification of new games, reply to this email and ask to be removed from my notification list. You can read all about the new game by visiting the blind gamers page at: www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm BG Chess Challenge runs in three different modes: Blind accessible, Vision impaired and Sighted, so it is suitable for all levels of visual acuity. It is also suitable for beginners as well as experienced chess players. A separate Word document explains how to play chess, if you have never played before or need to brush up on the rules and you can set the computer player's skill level anywhere between Novice and Expert, so that you can be ensured of a challenging game regardless of your own skill level. In blind mode, graphics are still provided so that sighted spouses can play along with their blind partners. As with all Spoonbill Software's accessible games, it is completely self voicing. You will only need your screen reader to read the on-line help, or the separate How To Play Chess document. BG Chess Challenge is the fourteenth game in the Blind Gamers series of accessible games and is free for the asking. Just reply to this email requesting BG Chess Challenge and stating your full name and country of residence. Only people who have kept me up to date with their latest email address will be able to be notified of new games. Why not send for a copy today, even if you've never played before, and take up the chess challenge? Regards Ian Humphreys Spoonbill Software Albany, Western Australia --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge
Will, I find this response a bit over the top. ian simply likes to speak personally to people playing his games. he was apparently offered hoasting on audiogames.net but actually said he prefferred to know who was playing his games, and what they thought o them, not to mention adding them to the mailing list for future releases. I can well see if I was a games developer, i'd much rather speak to people myself than just have them come and grab. Not to play someone's games simply because you can't be bothered to send an E-mail is imho, a tad lazy, - not to mention slightly rude. appologies for this rather hot response, but i've had several e-mail chats with ian, and he's a really nice fellow, not to mention that he makes rather good games. afterall, he doesn't even ask you to pay for them! Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge
Hey, I've also emailed for a copy. Sounds interesting. Never played chess in my life, so hope it works out for me. It was Harry Potter that got me interested in the idea of chess. Yeah, I know that's weird *grin*. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Michael Feir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge I hope I get the game from him soon to check it out. I don't play Chess often but always like to see how well accessible games are implemented. I expect he'll get flooded with emails this time around. Chess is pretty popular. In layman's terms, what is a rating of 2300 like? Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers ChessChallenge From my inbox. I was a tester for this game, and it is totally blind friendly, with some features that beginners will appreciate. Here are the ratings of the skill levels: Beginner: 600 Novice: 1000 Intermediate: 1400 Advanced: 1900 Expert: 2300 Give it a try and see what you think? The game is free of charge. --- The Difference Between Obama and Osama is Just a Little BS - Original Message - From: Spoonbill Software - Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:55 AM Subject: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers Chess Challenge Hi, You are receiving this email because you have previously requested a game from Spoonbill Software's Blind Gamers series. If you do not want to receive notification of new games, reply to this email and ask to be removed from my notification list. You can read all about the new game by visiting the blind gamers page at: www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm BG Chess Challenge runs in three different modes: Blind accessible, Vision impaired and Sighted, so it is suitable for all levels of visual acuity. It is also suitable for beginners as well as experienced chess players. A separate Word document explains how to play chess, if you have never played before or need to brush up on the rules and you can set the computer player's skill level anywhere between Novice and Expert, so that you can be ensured of a challenging game regardless of your own skill level. In blind mode, graphics are still provided so that sighted spouses can play along with their blind partners. As with all Spoonbill Software's accessible games, it is completely self voicing. You will only need your screen reader to read the on-line help, or the separate How To Play Chess document. BG Chess Challenge is the fourteenth game in the Blind Gamers series of accessible games and is free for the asking. Just reply to this email requesting BG Chess Challenge and stating your full name and country of residence. Only people who have kept me up to date with their latest email address will be able to be notified of new games. Why not send for a copy today, even if you've never played before, and take up the chess challenge? Regards Ian Humphreys Spoonbill Software Albany, Western Australia --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge
yeah I aggree with you mike. Ofcause he does have more control on what goes out etc. if his site gets hacked or virused there is not a real problem because his stuff is not up there just pages. but who knows. yeah he will be swamped. last time it took me a few weeks to get things. At 05:25 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: He seems to prefer to destribute his games via email. Personally, I would think he'd do better to have a site set up where people could download them and perhaps fill in a form with their name, email and whereabouts. I don't think many people at all would begrudge him the time to fill in such a form. He's probably going to get swamped this time around though. Think of all those blind chess groups, schools with chess clubs, parents and others who are going to pounce on this. It's going to be quite a hefty number I'd say. Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Will Lomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge why doesn't he just put the damn games up for download why mess aroud getting it through e mail that is why i have never played his game, he makes getting them so time consuming On 22 Sep 2008, at 17:47, Michael Feir wrote: I hope I get the game from him soon to check it out. I don't play Chess often but always like to see how well accessible games are implemented. I expect he'll get flooded with emails this time around. Chess is pretty popular. In layman's terms, what is a rating of 2300 like? Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers ChessChallenge From my inbox. I was a tester for this game, and it is totally blind friendly, with some features that beginners will appreciate. Here are the ratings of the skill levels: Beginner: 600 Novice: 1000 Intermediate: 1400 Advanced: 1900 Expert: 2300 Give it a try and see what you think? The game is free of charge. --- The Difference Between Obama and Osama is Just a Little BS - Original Message - From: Spoonbill Software - Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:55 AM Subject: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers Chess Challenge Hi, You are receiving this email because you have previously requested a game from Spoonbill Software's Blind Gamers series. If you do not want to receive notification of new games, reply to this email and ask to be removed from my notification list. You can read all about the new game by visiting the blind gamers page at: www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm BG Chess Challenge runs in three different modes: Blind accessible, Vision impaired and Sighted, so it is suitable for all levels of visual acuity. It is also suitable for beginners as well as experienced chess players. A separate Word document explains how to play chess, if you have never played before or need to brush up on the rules and you can set the computer player's skill level anywhere between Novice and Expert, so that you can be ensured of a challenging game regardless of your own skill level. In blind mode, graphics are still provided so that sighted spouses can play along with their blind partners. As with all Spoonbill Software's accessible games, it is completely self voicing. You will only need your screen reader to read the on-line help, or the separate How To Play Chess document. BG Chess Challenge is the fourteenth game in the Blind Gamers series of accessible games and is free for the asking. Just reply to this email requesting BG Chess Challenge and stating your full name and country of residence. Only people who have kept me up to date with their latest email address will be able to be notified of new games. Why not send for a copy today, even if you've never played before, and take up the chess challenge? Regards Ian Humphreys Spoonbill Software Albany, Western Australia --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave
Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge
Well I had cchess 6000 and chest master 6000 on a system a while ago. I remember I ran cm600 and cchess on a system with my brother and ran the same stuff on a system and got both programs running eachother on both systems and on the second system, ofcause we had a 10 sec time setting for decisions but the systems played chess which was interesting. At 07:09 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: Hey, I've also emailed for a copy. Sounds interesting. Never played chess in my life, so hope it works out for me. It was Harry Potter that got me interested in the idea of chess. Yeah, I know that's weird *grin*. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Michael Feir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge I hope I get the game from him soon to check it out. I don't play Chess often but always like to see how well accessible games are implemented. I expect he'll get flooded with emails this time around. Chess is pretty popular. In layman's terms, what is a rating of 2300 like? Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers ChessChallenge From my inbox. I was a tester for this game, and it is totally blind friendly, with some features that beginners will appreciate. Here are the ratings of the skill levels: Beginner: 600 Novice: 1000 Intermediate: 1400 Advanced: 1900 Expert: 2300 Give it a try and see what you think? The game is free of charge. --- The Difference Between Obama and Osama is Just a Little BS - Original Message - From: Spoonbill Software - Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:55 AM Subject: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers Chess Challenge Hi, You are receiving this email because you have previously requested a game from Spoonbill Software's Blind Gamers series. If you do not want to receive notification of new games, reply to this email and ask to be removed from my notification list. You can read all about the new game by visiting the blind gamers page at: www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm BG Chess Challenge runs in three different modes: Blind accessible, Vision impaired and Sighted, so it is suitable for all levels of visual acuity. It is also suitable for beginners as well as experienced chess players. A separate Word document explains how to play chess, if you have never played before or need to brush up on the rules and you can set the computer player's skill level anywhere between Novice and Expert, so that you can be ensured of a challenging game regardless of your own skill level. In blind mode, graphics are still provided so that sighted spouses can play along with their blind partners. As with all Spoonbill Software's accessible games, it is completely self voicing. You will only need your screen reader to read the on-line help, or the separate How To Play Chess document. BG Chess Challenge is the fourteenth game in the Blind Gamers series of accessible games and is free for the asking. Just reply to this email requesting BG Chess Challenge and stating your full name and country of residence. Only people who have kept me up to date with their latest email address will be able to be notified of new games. Why not send for a copy today, even if you've never played before, and take up the chess challenge? Regards Ian Humphreys Spoonbill Software Albany, Western Australia --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge
It's not all that time consuming to wait for an Email. How he sends the game out is his decision, and you have no room to complain. The price is right. Nothing. Have you suggested to him, directly, that he make the games available for download rather than sending them through Email? If so, what did he send as his reasoning? --- Pretty is as pretty does. - Original Message - From: Will Lomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge why doesn't he just put the damn games up for download why mess aroud getting it through e mail that is why i have never played his game, he makes getting them so time consuming On 22 Sep 2008, at 17:47, Michael Feir wrote: I hope I get the game from him soon to check it out. I don't play Chess often but always like to see how well accessible games are implemented. I expect he'll get flooded with emails this time around. Chess is pretty popular. In layman's terms, what is a rating of 2300 like? Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers ChessChallenge From my inbox. I was a tester for this game, and it is totally blind friendly, with some features that beginners will appreciate. Here are the ratings of the skill levels: Beginner: 600 Novice: 1000 Intermediate: 1400 Advanced: 1900 Expert: 2300 Give it a try and see what you think? The game is free of charge. --- The Difference Between Obama and Osama is Just a Little BS - Original Message - From: Spoonbill Software - Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:55 AM Subject: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers Chess Challenge Hi, You are receiving this email because you have previously requested a game from Spoonbill Software's Blind Gamers series. If you do not want to receive notification of new games, reply to this email and ask to be removed from my notification list. You can read all about the new game by visiting the blind gamers page at: www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm BG Chess Challenge runs in three different modes: Blind accessible, Vision impaired and Sighted, so it is suitable for all levels of visual acuity. It is also suitable for beginners as well as experienced chess players. A separate Word document explains how to play chess, if you have never played before or need to brush up on the rules and you can set the computer player's skill level anywhere between Novice and Expert, so that you can be ensured of a challenging game regardless of your own skill level. In blind mode, graphics are still provided so that sighted spouses can play along with their blind partners. As with all Spoonbill Software's accessible games, it is completely self voicing. You will only need your screen reader to read the on-line help, or the separate How To Play Chess document. BG Chess Challenge is the fourteenth game in the Blind Gamers series of accessible games and is free for the asking. Just reply to this email requesting BG Chess Challenge and stating your full name and country of residence. Only people who have kept me up to date with their latest email address will be able to be notified of new games. Why not send for a copy today, even if you've never played before, and take up the chess challenge? Regards Ian Humphreys Spoonbill Software Albany, Western Australia --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL
Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge
If he is willing to put time and effert into making these games, free of charge, isn't it worth our time to do as he asks. It is very hard, after all, to send a reply with our name and country in the message. When there are sites who treat their users very badly, it is nice to see someone who is willing to take time for free. How about saying thanks instead of complaining? marsha --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
