Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
To the person saying the insert+6 to open settings center didn't work in tks, this is because the keyboard hook is working properly on that particular computer, so jaws is prevented from seeing the keystroke. That said, sleeping jaws for tks in that case is not necessary anyway. Cheers, Sent with thunderbird 17.0.8 portable On 7/26/2014 3:16 PM, valiant8086 wrote: Hi. Ok I'm a pretty expert jaws user, I'd like to lay this out. To mute speech, press, depending on keyboard layout, caps lock space, or, if desktop layout insert+space. Once you heard the click noise, press s. This turns speech off. On my lenovo Yoga 2 pro tablet laptop thingy, that takes less than a second to accomplish. caps lock space, then s turns it off. pressing that again turns it on just as quickly as it was turned off. On slower computers it may take a couple of seconds for speech to restart when toggling it back on. This actually unloads the synthesizer, so if you use eloquence and someone crashes it, you can often use this to quickly recover, provided the crash didn't drag jaws down with it. Secondly, with later versions of jaws that use the settings center instead of the configuration manager, setting jaws to sleep for specific applications is ridiculously easy. Open the game and press insert+6 (same regardless of keyboard layout). Depending on whether jaws had a configuration file for this game already it may ask you what you'd like to call the new configuration file. If it does, just hit enter to accept what it suggested by default. Now you'll be in the settings center,, focused on an edit box. in that edit box, type "sleep" without the quotes. Now down arrow until you hear sleep mode disable. Press space till it says enable. If you really want too you can space again to make it unload the synthesizer as well, but this usually is not a good idea if you have a slower computer it will take a while to get speech back once focus leaves the game, plus, usually, the speech synthesizer itself doesn't do anything that would actually interfere with game play, that includes the fact that when jaws is sleeping, it's not sending stuff to the synthesizer to be spoken, so the synthesizer sits idle, which is as good as using no resources of your machine right? So to summarize, with our Traders of Known Space game, I can launch the game, and while sitting in the game press insert+6. It asks what I'd like to call the configuration, I press enter to accept what's already suggested. Then I type sleep, down arrow twice, press space once, tab to the ok button and hit enter. That's all. Takes less time to do it now that I know how to do it so well than it does to describe it. What's more, if I open Traders of Known Space but I need jaws to speak while in the game for some reason, I can repeat the exact same steps to bring jaws out of sleep mode for this application, save in that situation, I would never need to press enter at first to accept a suggested configuration file name, as if it's sleeping, it obviously has a configuration file. Cheers, Sent with thunderbird 17.0.8 portableOn 7/25/2014 4:54 PM, Nicol wrote: Hi tom Well, in jaws15 you press alt plus windows key plus s to mute the speech but I don't know if that will remove the keyboard hook while playing games. I know for sure it mutes speech until you switch focus to another application. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 25 July 2014 12:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman Hi Dark, That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the versions of Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the way I can with NVDA or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that has been my experience. there may be a way to do what you want to do, but I'm just not familiar with any current Jaws releases to give you an answer without downloading the Jaws demo, installing it, and playing around with it to find out if what you are asking is possible or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it disables speech or enables speech which is quick and easy. Cheers! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, pleas
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Ian, Ah, I stand corrected then. You are correct. I am using a laptop with NVDA in laptop keyboard mode so that is why NVDA+shift+s doesn't work. Upon checking the keyboard reference it is NVDA+shift+z which is why it didn't work for me. So apparently I owe Ishan an apology as it was my mistake not his. However, thanks for correcting me as it is both useful information to know, and I hate making false statements even though I had a legitimate excuse at the time. Cheers! On 7/27/14, Ian Reed wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Ah, that makes sense then. > > I just installed NVDA 2014.2 and insert + shift + S does still toggle > sleep mode on and off for me. > I opened the NVDA 2014.2 Commands Quick Reference. > In the ninth row of the first table of that document I find this: > Toggle application sleep mode on and off > NVDA+shift+s (desktop key) > NVDA+shift+z (laptop key) > none > sleep mode disables all NVDA commands and speech/braille output for the > current application. This is most useful in applications that provide > their own speech or screen reading features. Press this command again to > disable self voicing mode. > > So it looks like insert + shift + S is only for the desktop keyboard > layout. Perhaps you are using the laptop keyboard layout and that's why > it didn't work for you? > > Thanks for the clarification. > I'd also like to note that I do appreciate your efforts to ensure people > are giving out accurate information. > I only brought this up to help. > > Thanks, > Ian Reed > Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Tom, Ah, that makes sense then. I just installed NVDA 2014.2 and insert + shift + S does still toggle sleep mode on and off for me. I opened the NVDA 2014.2 Commands Quick Reference. In the ninth row of the first table of that document I find this: Toggle application sleep mode on and off NVDA+shift+s (desktop key) NVDA+shift+z (laptop key) none sleep mode disables all NVDA commands and speech/braille output for the current application. This is most useful in applications that provide their own speech or screen reading features. Press this command again to disable self voicing mode. So it looks like insert + shift + S is only for the desktop keyboard layout. Perhaps you are using the laptop keyboard layout and that's why it didn't work for you? Thanks for the clarification. I'd also like to note that I do appreciate your efforts to ensure people are giving out accurate information. I only brought this up to help. Thanks, Ian Reed Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com On 7/27/2014 3:23 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Ian, Well, all I can say is I have NVDA 2014.2 and insert+shift+s does nothing on my system. I don't know what the problem or issue is, but that command does nothing for me. So based on that is why I said what I said. Cheers! On 7/27/14, Ian Reed wrote: Ishan said: If you have problem from NVDA press insert shift s to sleep NVDA Thomas said: By the way the command to silence speech in NVDA is insert+s not insert+shift+s. Do be careful when giving out information that it is accurate as possible as people are being entirely too casual about freely giving out false information of late. I say: Ishan's statement was true. Insert + shift + S puts NVDA into sleep mode for the current application. Insert + S toggles speech output, which is what I usually use, but the fact remains that insert + shift + S does what he stated. Cheers, Ian Reed Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Ian, Well, all I can say is I have NVDA 2014.2 and insert+shift+s does nothing on my system. I don't know what the problem or issue is, but that command does nothing for me. So based on that is why I said what I said. Cheers! On 7/27/14, Ian Reed wrote: > Ishan said: If you have problem from NVDA press insert shift s to sleep > NVDA > Thomas said: By the way the command to silence speech in NVDA is > insert+s not > insert+shift+s. Do be careful when giving out information that it is > accurate as possible as people are being entirely too casual about > freely giving out false information of late. > > I say: Ishan's statement was true. Insert + shift + S puts NVDA into > sleep mode for the current application. > Insert + S toggles speech output, which is what I usually use, but the > fact remains that insert + shift + S does what he stated. > > Cheers, > Ian Reed > Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Ishan said: If you have problem from NVDA press insert shift s to sleep NVDA Thomas said: By the way the command to silence speech in NVDA is insert+s not insert+shift+s. Do be careful when giving out information that it is accurate as possible as people are being entirely too casual about freely giving out false information of late. I say: Ishan's statement was true. Insert + shift + S puts NVDA into sleep mode for the current application. Insert + S toggles speech output, which is what I usually use, but the fact remains that insert + shift + S does what he stated. Cheers, Ian Reed Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Ishan,, I think you missed the point of this thread. Yes, we all know about putting Jaws to sleep via configuring it in the settings manager, but what Dark was concerned about was being able to simply turn speech on and off the way he does in Supernova. What you stated below was what we already know. :D By the way the command to silence speech in NVDA is insert+s not insert+shift+s. Do be careful when giving out information that it is accurate as possible as people are being entirely too casual about freely giving out false information of late. Cheers! On 7/26/14, ishan dhami wrote: > Hi even if you can add freedom scientific vocaliser voices like ava > and danielle > as far as the concern of MR Charles and our moderator MR Thomas sir > If you use both window like chatting and games JAWS will absolutely work > no need to unload or shut down your screen reader > If you want to really shut down the JAWS without any kind of warning > press insert windows and f4 > If you have problem from NVDA press insert shift s to sleep NVDA > When I got my sod key I first register my name with JAWS and put it in > the deep sleep and then I pasted my key and press enter. > If you are chatting and playing games and you have configure JAWS for > your game there will be no problem in chatting JAWS will really work. > Thanks > Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi I have only a flash game the blind swordsmen. Thanks Ishan On 7/26/14, Josh wrote: > what kinds of flash games do you play? > > The hungry robot ate my signature so that is why I no longer have one! > > Teresa Cochran wrote: >> I would have given up Windows long before I did if NVDA hadn't come out. I >> really like that screen-reader. (yes, I donated LOL). It's easy to play >> flash games with it still running, though I haven't tried stand-alone >> games yet. I'm an occasional Windows user. >> >> Teresa >> >> Winging its way from my iPod >> >>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Thomas Ward >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Dark, >>> >>> Yeah, I understand that. I certainly had no illusions about you >>> wanting to change screen readers. However, the basic thing I wanted to >>> say is that there isn't a quick and easy way to switch speech on and >>> off in Jaws the way you can in Supernova. Come to think of it I'm not >>> sure there is a quick way to do it in Window-Eyes either without >>> specially assigning a key for that purpose. So all and all I think >>> Supernova is a bit unique in its built-in ability to switch speech on >>> and off with a quick and easy keyboard command. The only other screen >>> reader I can think of that has a similar feature is NVDA. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> On 7/25/14, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It was really only idle curiosity sinse I certainly have no plans to switch to Jaws. it's just that as I said I flick supernova's speech on and off all the time (the key is ctrl )zero). For example I am currently watching Star trek deep space 9. Obviously I don't want to interupt dvd playback by supernova saying "spacebar" everytime I play and paws etc, so I have the voice off. I did however configure the time skip key to exactly the length of the theme tune, so that once I've watched the initial teaser I can just hit pagedown and instantly skip to the end without having to sit through the opening titles for 100 odd episodes. This was fairly easy, I just hit ctrl c to bring Up Power dvd's configuration settings and play with the number of seconds that the time skip function actually skips, however obviously I had to go from opening the configuration pannel (which I needed supernova for), to playing the dvd, which I didn't to see if my time skip worked. This is why I am curious sinse flicking the speech on and off is something I always take for granted in supernova and use very frequently. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi even if you can add freedom scientific vocaliser voices like ava and danielle as far as the concern of MR Charles and our moderator MR Thomas sir If you use both window like chatting and games JAWS will absolutely work no need to unload or shut down your screen reader If you want to really shut down the JAWS without any kind of warning press insert windows and f4 If you have problem from NVDA press insert shift s to sleep NVDA When I got my sod key I first register my name with JAWS and put it in the deep sleep and then I pasted my key and press enter. If you are chatting and playing games and you have configure JAWS for your game there will be no problem in chatting JAWS will really work. Thanks Ishan On 7/26/14, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Danielle, > > Go to > https://vocalizer-nvda.com/? > that's where you can download demos, purchase voices, etc for NVDA. > > Cheers! > > > On 7/26/14, Danielle Antoine wrote: >> Oh okay I'll have to look into it and play around with NVDA some more. >> Where do I get the Vocalizer voices? And I'm done with the off-topic >> post. >> Danielle > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
You are right MR Vallient but as far as the question of TKS I am not able to sleep JAWS. Thanks Ishan On 7/27/14, Danielle Antoine wrote: > Yup thanks Valiant. Works like a charm. > Danielle > > On 7/26/14, valiant8086 wrote: >> Hi. >> Ok I'm a pretty expert jaws user, I'd like to lay this out. >> To mute speech, press, depending on keyboard layout, caps lock space, >> or, if desktop layout insert+space. Once you heard the click noise, >> press s. This turns speech off. >> >> On my lenovo Yoga 2 pro tablet laptop thingy, that takes less than a >> second to accomplish. caps lock space, then s turns it off. pressing >> that again turns it on just as quickly as it was turned off. On slower >> computers it may take a couple of seconds for speech to restart when >> toggling it back on. This actually unloads the synthesizer, so if you >> use eloquence and someone crashes it, you can often use this to quickly >> recover, provided the crash didn't drag jaws down with it. >> >> Secondly, with later versions of jaws that use the settings center >> instead of the configuration manager, setting jaws to sleep for specific >> applications is ridiculously easy. >> >> Open the game and press insert+6 (same regardless of keyboard layout). >> Depending on whether jaws had a configuration file for this game already >> it may ask you what you'd like to call the new configuration file. If it >> does, just hit enter to accept what it suggested by default. Now you'll >> be in the settings center,, focused on an edit box. in that edit box, >> type "sleep" without the quotes. Now down arrow until you hear sleep >> mode disable. Press space till it says enable. If you really want too >> you can space again to make it unload the synthesizer as well, but this >> usually is not a good idea if you have a slower computer it will take a >> while to get speech back once focus leaves the game, plus, usually, the >> speech synthesizer itself doesn't do anything that would actually >> interfere with game play, that includes the fact that when jaws is >> sleeping, it's not sending stuff to the synthesizer to be spoken, so the >> synthesizer sits idle, which is as good as using no resources of your >> machine right? >> >> So to summarize, with our Traders of Known Space game, I can launch the >> game, and while sitting in the game press insert+6. It asks what I'd >> like to call the configuration, I press enter to accept what's already >> suggested. Then I type sleep, down arrow twice, press space once, tab to >> the ok button and hit enter. That's all. Takes less time to do it now >> that I know how to do it so well than it does to describe it. What's >> more, if I open Traders of Known Space but I need jaws to speak while in >> the game for some reason, I can repeat the exact same steps to bring >> jaws out of sleep mode for this application, save in that situation, I >> would never need to press enter at first to accept a suggested >> configuration file name, as if it's sleeping, it obviously has a >> configuration file. >> Cheers, Sent with thunderbird 17.0.8 portableOn 7/25/2014 4:54 PM, Nicol >> wrote: >>> Hi tom >>> Well, in jaws15 you press alt plus windows key plus s to mute the speech >>> but >>> I don't know if that will remove the keyboard hook while playing games. >>> I know for sure it mutes speech until you switch focus to another >>> application. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas >>> Ward >>> Sent: 25 July 2014 12:36 PM >>> To: Gamers Discussion list >>> Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman >>> >>> Hi Dark, >>> >>> That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. >>> I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the versions >>> of >>> Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the way I can with >>> NVDA >>> or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that has been my >>> experience. >>> there may be a way to do what you want to do, but I'm just not familiar >>> with >>> any current Jaws releases to give you an answer without downloading the >>> Jaws >>> demo, installing it, and playing around with it to find out if what you >>> are >>> asking is possible or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it >
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
well daniel there are a few synths. there is a wiki page for all this crap somewhere on the nvda site but ofcause I can't think of this its something like list of speech synths. There is espeak, pico which is easy enough to set up, speech hub which can crash a lot, vocaliser which costs but is ok and others. if you can get bit torrent sync and enter AZABHLNBW2RZ2AVDOUJ5FVGUAAFB5J4WK into the secret box you should be able to get access to a lot of stuff, 2gb worth which should include speech synths. There is a dropbox but its not updated and because people hack it and delete stuff post malware and other junk well I don't have it anymore but take it at your own risk. At 04:37 p.m. 26/07/2014, you wrote: I was wondering the same thing. I'm still on the fence about NVDA. I would like something other than that almost robotic standard synth it comes with and when I'm doing surveys it doesn't always display the screen or even continue functioning especially if my JAWS demo times out and I launch NVDA. Danielle On 7/25/14, Thomas Ward wrote: > Charles, > > I thought the command to unload Jaws was insert+f4 not insert+j. Last > time I used Jaws insert+j opened the Jaws main window. Has that > changed or something? > > Cheers! > > > On 7/25/14, Charles Rivard wrote: >> Assign a hot key, such as "control alt j" for starting JAWS from >> anywhere. >> Insert j removes JAWS from memory. I think that's as close as you're >> gonna >> >> get. >> >> --- >> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >> finished, >> >> you! really! are! finished! > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Yup thanks Valiant. Works like a charm. Danielle On 7/26/14, valiant8086 wrote: > Hi. > Ok I'm a pretty expert jaws user, I'd like to lay this out. > To mute speech, press, depending on keyboard layout, caps lock space, > or, if desktop layout insert+space. Once you heard the click noise, > press s. This turns speech off. > > On my lenovo Yoga 2 pro tablet laptop thingy, that takes less than a > second to accomplish. caps lock space, then s turns it off. pressing > that again turns it on just as quickly as it was turned off. On slower > computers it may take a couple of seconds for speech to restart when > toggling it back on. This actually unloads the synthesizer, so if you > use eloquence and someone crashes it, you can often use this to quickly > recover, provided the crash didn't drag jaws down with it. > > Secondly, with later versions of jaws that use the settings center > instead of the configuration manager, setting jaws to sleep for specific > applications is ridiculously easy. > > Open the game and press insert+6 (same regardless of keyboard layout). > Depending on whether jaws had a configuration file for this game already > it may ask you what you'd like to call the new configuration file. If it > does, just hit enter to accept what it suggested by default. Now you'll > be in the settings center,, focused on an edit box. in that edit box, > type "sleep" without the quotes. Now down arrow until you hear sleep > mode disable. Press space till it says enable. If you really want too > you can space again to make it unload the synthesizer as well, but this > usually is not a good idea if you have a slower computer it will take a > while to get speech back once focus leaves the game, plus, usually, the > speech synthesizer itself doesn't do anything that would actually > interfere with game play, that includes the fact that when jaws is > sleeping, it's not sending stuff to the synthesizer to be spoken, so the > synthesizer sits idle, which is as good as using no resources of your > machine right? > > So to summarize, with our Traders of Known Space game, I can launch the > game, and while sitting in the game press insert+6. It asks what I'd > like to call the configuration, I press enter to accept what's already > suggested. Then I type sleep, down arrow twice, press space once, tab to > the ok button and hit enter. That's all. Takes less time to do it now > that I know how to do it so well than it does to describe it. What's > more, if I open Traders of Known Space but I need jaws to speak while in > the game for some reason, I can repeat the exact same steps to bring > jaws out of sleep mode for this application, save in that situation, I > would never need to press enter at first to accept a suggested > configuration file name, as if it's sleeping, it obviously has a > configuration file. > Cheers, Sent with thunderbird 17.0.8 portableOn 7/25/2014 4:54 PM, Nicol > wrote: >> Hi tom >> Well, in jaws15 you press alt plus windows key plus s to mute the speech >> but >> I don't know if that will remove the keyboard hook while playing games. >> I know for sure it mutes speech until you switch focus to another >> application. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas >> Ward >> Sent: 25 July 2014 12:36 PM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman >> >> Hi Dark, >> >> That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. >> I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the versions >> of >> Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the way I can with >> NVDA >> or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that has been my experience. >> there may be a way to do what you want to do, but I'm just not familiar >> with >> any current Jaws releases to give you an answer without downloading the >> Jaws >> demo, installing it, and playing around with it to find out if what you >> are >> asking is possible or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it >> disables >> speech or enables speech which is quick and easy. >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make chan
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi. Ok I'm a pretty expert jaws user, I'd like to lay this out. To mute speech, press, depending on keyboard layout, caps lock space, or, if desktop layout insert+space. Once you heard the click noise, press s. This turns speech off. On my lenovo Yoga 2 pro tablet laptop thingy, that takes less than a second to accomplish. caps lock space, then s turns it off. pressing that again turns it on just as quickly as it was turned off. On slower computers it may take a couple of seconds for speech to restart when toggling it back on. This actually unloads the synthesizer, so if you use eloquence and someone crashes it, you can often use this to quickly recover, provided the crash didn't drag jaws down with it. Secondly, with later versions of jaws that use the settings center instead of the configuration manager, setting jaws to sleep for specific applications is ridiculously easy. Open the game and press insert+6 (same regardless of keyboard layout). Depending on whether jaws had a configuration file for this game already it may ask you what you'd like to call the new configuration file. If it does, just hit enter to accept what it suggested by default. Now you'll be in the settings center,, focused on an edit box. in that edit box, type "sleep" without the quotes. Now down arrow until you hear sleep mode disable. Press space till it says enable. If you really want too you can space again to make it unload the synthesizer as well, but this usually is not a good idea if you have a slower computer it will take a while to get speech back once focus leaves the game, plus, usually, the speech synthesizer itself doesn't do anything that would actually interfere with game play, that includes the fact that when jaws is sleeping, it's not sending stuff to the synthesizer to be spoken, so the synthesizer sits idle, which is as good as using no resources of your machine right? So to summarize, with our Traders of Known Space game, I can launch the game, and while sitting in the game press insert+6. It asks what I'd like to call the configuration, I press enter to accept what's already suggested. Then I type sleep, down arrow twice, press space once, tab to the ok button and hit enter. That's all. Takes less time to do it now that I know how to do it so well than it does to describe it. What's more, if I open Traders of Known Space but I need jaws to speak while in the game for some reason, I can repeat the exact same steps to bring jaws out of sleep mode for this application, save in that situation, I would never need to press enter at first to accept a suggested configuration file name, as if it's sleeping, it obviously has a configuration file. Cheers, Sent with thunderbird 17.0.8 portableOn 7/25/2014 4:54 PM, Nicol wrote: Hi tom Well, in jaws15 you press alt plus windows key plus s to mute the speech but I don't know if that will remove the keyboard hook while playing games. I know for sure it mutes speech until you switch focus to another application. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 25 July 2014 12:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman Hi Dark, That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the versions of Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the way I can with NVDA or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that has been my experience. there may be a way to do what you want to do, but I'm just not familiar with any current Jaws releases to give you an answer without downloading the Jaws demo, installing it, and playing around with it to find out if what you are asking is possible or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it disables speech or enables speech which is quick and easy. Cheers! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyss
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Nope, it hasn't changed. My fingers didn't cooperate. Otherwise known as a typo. (grin) --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman Charles, I thought the command to unload Jaws was insert+f4 not insert+j. Last time I used Jaws insert+j opened the Jaws main window. Has that changed or something? Cheers! On 7/25/14, Charles Rivard wrote: Assign a hot key, such as "control alt j" for starting JAWS from anywhere. Insert j removes JAWS from memory. I think that's as close as you're gonna get. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
what kinds of flash games do you play? The hungry robot ate my signature so that is why I no longer have one! Teresa Cochran wrote: I would have given up Windows long before I did if NVDA hadn't come out. I really like that screen-reader. (yes, I donated LOL). It's easy to play flash games with it still running, though I haven't tried stand-alone games yet. I'm an occasional Windows user. Teresa Winging its way from my iPod On Jul 25, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, Yeah, I understand that. I certainly had no illusions about you wanting to change screen readers. However, the basic thing I wanted to say is that there isn't a quick and easy way to switch speech on and off in Jaws the way you can in Supernova. Come to think of it I'm not sure there is a quick way to do it in Window-Eyes either without specially assigning a key for that purpose. So all and all I think Supernova is a bit unique in its built-in ability to switch speech on and off with a quick and easy keyboard command. The only other screen reader I can think of that has a similar feature is NVDA. Cheers! On 7/25/14, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It was really only idle curiosity sinse I certainly have no plans to switch to Jaws. it's just that as I said I flick supernova's speech on and off all the time (the key is ctrl )zero). For example I am currently watching Star trek deep space 9. Obviously I don't want to interupt dvd playback by supernova saying "spacebar" everytime I play and paws etc, so I have the voice off. I did however configure the time skip key to exactly the length of the theme tune, so that once I've watched the initial teaser I can just hit pagedown and instantly skip to the end without having to sit through the opening titles for 100 odd episodes. This was fairly easy, I just hit ctrl c to bring Up Power dvd's configuration settings and play with the number of seconds that the time skip function actually skips, however obviously I had to go from opening the configuration pannel (which I needed supernova for), to playing the dvd, which I didn't to see if my time skip worked. This is why I am curious sinse flicking the speech on and off is something I always take for granted in supernova and use very frequently. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Danielle, Go to https://vocalizer-nvda.com/? that's where you can download demos, purchase voices, etc for NVDA. Cheers! On 7/26/14, Danielle Antoine wrote: > Oh okay I'll have to look into it and play around with NVDA some more. > Where do I get the Vocalizer voices? And I'm done with the off-topic > post. > Danielle --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Oh okay I'll have to look into it and play around with NVDA some more. Where do I get the Vocalizer voices? And I'm done with the off-topic post. Danielle On 7/26/14, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Danielle, > > I don't want to go too far off topic here, but I will say that NVDA > supports a large number of software synthesizers besides Espeak which > it comes with. If you are willing to put forward a little bit of money > you can buy the Vocalizer voices for NVDA which will give you Daniel, > Tom, Karen, Lee, and all the other voices you get for Jaws. I think it > is like $99 for a Vocalizer license for NVDA which is not bad for a > one time fee, and of course if the games support NVDA they can speak > using your Vocalizer voices. > > If you are looking for something more universal NVDA also supports all > Sapi 5.x compatible voices. You can get something high quality like > the Ivona voices which are a bit on the expensive side, or if you have > Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 you can get a number of decent quality voices > from Microsoft that work with NVDA as well. > > The point being if Espeak is the only reason holding you back from > joining the NVDA crowd there are plenty of alternatives. You can spend > a little money for better voices for NVDA and games and it won't cost > you any more than the cost of a Jaws upgrade, and it is typically a > one-time fee. > > Cheers! > > > > On 7/26/14, Danielle Antoine wrote: >> I was wondering the same thing. I'm still on the fence about NVDA. I >> would like something other than that almost robotic standard synth it >> comes with and when I'm doing surveys it doesn't always display the >> screen or even continue functioning especially if my JAWS demo times >> out and I launch NVDA. >> >> Danielle > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Danielle, I don't want to go too far off topic here, but I will say that NVDA supports a large number of software synthesizers besides Espeak which it comes with. If you are willing to put forward a little bit of money you can buy the Vocalizer voices for NVDA which will give you Daniel, Tom, Karen, Lee, and all the other voices you get for Jaws. I think it is like $99 for a Vocalizer license for NVDA which is not bad for a one time fee, and of course if the games support NVDA they can speak using your Vocalizer voices. If you are looking for something more universal NVDA also supports all Sapi 5.x compatible voices. You can get something high quality like the Ivona voices which are a bit on the expensive side, or if you have Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 you can get a number of decent quality voices from Microsoft that work with NVDA as well. The point being if Espeak is the only reason holding you back from joining the NVDA crowd there are plenty of alternatives. You can spend a little money for better voices for NVDA and games and it won't cost you any more than the cost of a Jaws upgrade, and it is typically a one-time fee. Cheers! On 7/26/14, Danielle Antoine wrote: > I was wondering the same thing. I'm still on the fence about NVDA. I > would like something other than that almost robotic standard synth it > comes with and when I'm doing surveys it doesn't always display the > screen or even continue functioning especially if my JAWS demo times > out and I launch NVDA. > > Danielle --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
I was wondering the same thing. I'm still on the fence about NVDA. I would like something other than that almost robotic standard synth it comes with and when I'm doing surveys it doesn't always display the screen or even continue functioning especially if my JAWS demo times out and I launch NVDA. Danielle On 7/25/14, Thomas Ward wrote: > Charles, > > I thought the command to unload Jaws was insert+f4 not insert+j. Last > time I used Jaws insert+j opened the Jaws main window. Has that > changed or something? > > Cheers! > > > On 7/25/14, Charles Rivard wrote: >> Assign a hot key, such as "control alt j" for starting JAWS from >> anywhere. >> Insert j removes JAWS from memory. I think that's as close as you're >> gonna >> >> get. >> >> --- >> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >> finished, >> >> you! really! are! finished! > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Charles, I thought the command to unload Jaws was insert+f4 not insert+j. Last time I used Jaws insert+j opened the Jaws main window. Has that changed or something? Cheers! On 7/25/14, Charles Rivard wrote: > Assign a hot key, such as "control alt j" for starting JAWS from anywhere. > Insert j removes JAWS from memory. I think that's as close as you're gonna > > get. > > --- > Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, > > you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Charles, That's absolutely true. However, some people, myself included, like to multitask while playing games. I might be playing a game and be chatting online over instant messenger with a friend at the same time. So completely unloading the screen reader I am using isn't an option because I need to enable/disable speech rather quickly depending on weather I am in a game or doing something else at the same time. So having Jaws to go to sleep when the game is in the foreground is better than loading and unloading Jaws to send off a reply and back to the game again. Cheers! On 7/25/14, Charles Rivard wrote: > Keep in mind that if you put JAWS to sleep, it is still using resources, and > > still resides in memory. This is why I prefer using insert f4 to turn it > completely off. > > --- > Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, > > you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Assign a hot key, such as "control alt j" for starting JAWS from anywhere. Insert j removes JAWS from memory. I think that's as close as you're gonna get. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman Hi Dark, Yeah, I understand that. I certainly had no illusions about you wanting to change screen readers. However, the basic thing I wanted to say is that there isn't a quick and easy way to switch speech on and off in Jaws the way you can in Supernova. Come to think of it I'm not sure there is a quick way to do it in Window-Eyes either without specially assigning a key for that purpose. So all and all I think Supernova is a bit unique in its built-in ability to switch speech on and off with a quick and easy keyboard command. The only other screen reader I can think of that has a similar feature is NVDA. Cheers! On 7/25/14, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It was really only idle curiosity sinse I certainly have no plans to switch to Jaws. it's just that as I said I flick supernova's speech on and off all the time (the key is ctrl )zero). For example I am currently watching Star trek deep space 9. Obviously I don't want to interupt dvd playback by supernova saying "spacebar" everytime I play and paws etc, so I have the voice off. I did however configure the time skip key to exactly the length of the theme tune, so that once I've watched the initial teaser I can just hit pagedown and instantly skip to the end without having to sit through the opening titles for 100 odd episodes. This was fairly easy, I just hit ctrl c to bring Up Power dvd's configuration settings and play with the number of seconds that the time skip function actually skips, however obviously I had to go from opening the configuration pannel (which I needed supernova for), to playing the dvd, which I didn't to see if my time skip worked. This is why I am curious sinse flicking the speech on and off is something I always take for granted in supernova and use very frequently. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Keep in mind that if you put JAWS to sleep, it is still using resources, and still resides in memory. This is why I prefer using insert f4 to turn it completely off. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "tim" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman The only thing I see you can do is either unload jaws or put it to sleep. At 06:35 AM 7/25/2014, you wrote: Hi Dark, That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the versions of Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the way I can with NVDA or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that has been my experience. there may be a way to do what you want to do, but I'm just not familiar with any current Jaws releases to give you an answer without downloading the Jaws demo, installing it, and playing around with it to find out if what you are asking is possible or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it disables speech or enables speech which is quick and easy. Cheers! On 7/25/14, dark wrote: > Hi. > > I do get you can configure jaws to stop working for particular > programs, > what I meant is what do you do say if you want to read one specific thing in > > a program but want the screen reader off most of the time? > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
The way to do it is to set up a configuration for the game, and then go into miscellaneous settings in settings, and enable sleep mode. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 25 July 2014 22:28 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman No, that just shuts off speech. It has nothing to do with the keyboard hook. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: Nicol Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 2:54 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman Hi tom Well, in jaws15 you press alt plus windows key plus s to mute the speech but I don't know if that will remove the keyboard hook while playing games. I know for sure it mutes speech until you switch focus to another application. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 25 July 2014 12:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman Hi Dark, That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the versions of Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the way I can with NVDA or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that has been my experience. there may be a way to do what you want to do, but I'm just not familiar with any current Jaws releases to give you an answer without downloading the Jaws demo, installing it, and playing around with it to find out if what you are asking is possible or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it disables speech or enables speech which is quick and easy. Cheers! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
No, that just shuts off speech. It has nothing to do with the keyboard hook. Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. GroupI implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! -Original Message- From: Nicol Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 2:54 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman Hi tom Well, in jaws15 you press alt plus windows key plus s to mute the speech but I don't know if that will remove the keyboard hook while playing games. I know for sure it mutes speech until you switch focus to another application. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 25 July 2014 12:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman Hi Dark, That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the versions of Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the way I can with NVDA or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that has been my experience. there may be a way to do what you want to do, but I'm just not familiar with any current Jaws releases to give you an answer without downloading the Jaws demo, installing it, and playing around with it to find out if what you are asking is possible or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it disables speech or enables speech which is quick and easy. Cheers! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi tom Well, in jaws15 you press alt plus windows key plus s to mute the speech but I don't know if that will remove the keyboard hook while playing games. I know for sure it mutes speech until you switch focus to another application. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 25 July 2014 12:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman Hi Dark, That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the versions of Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the way I can with NVDA or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that has been my experience. there may be a way to do what you want to do, but I'm just not familiar with any current Jaws releases to give you an answer without downloading the Jaws demo, installing it, and playing around with it to find out if what you are asking is possible or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it disables speech or enables speech which is quick and easy. Cheers! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
NvDA does have an add-on that will do this. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman Hi Dark, Yeah, I understand that. I certainly had no illusions about you wanting to change screen readers. However, the basic thing I wanted to say is that there isn't a quick and easy way to switch speech on and off in Jaws the way you can in Supernova. Come to think of it I'm not sure there is a quick way to do it in Window-Eyes either without specially assigning a key for that purpose. So all and all I think Supernova is a bit unique in its built-in ability to switch speech on and off with a quick and easy keyboard command. The only other screen reader I can think of that has a similar feature is NVDA. Cheers! On 7/25/14, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > It was really only idle curiosity sinse I certainly have no plans to > switch > > to Jaws. it's just that as I said I flick supernova's speech on and > off all > > the time (the key is ctrl )zero). > > For example I am currently watching Star trek deep space 9. Obviously > I don't want to interupt dvd playback by supernova saying "spacebar" > everytime > > I play and paws etc, so I have the voice off. I did however configure > the time skip key to exactly the length of the theme tune, so that > once I've watched the initial teaser I can just hit pagedown and > instantly skip to the > > end without having to sit through the opening titles for 100 odd episodes. > > This was fairly easy, I just hit ctrl c to bring Up Power dvd's > configuration settings and play with the number of seconds that the > time skip function actually skips, however obviously I had to go from > opening the > > configuration pannel (which I needed supernova for), to playing the > dvd, which I didn't to see if my time skip worked. > > This is why I am curious sinse flicking the speech on and off is > something I > > always take for granted in supernova and use very frequently. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the > list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
I would have given up Windows long before I did if NVDA hadn't come out. I really like that screen-reader. (yes, I donated LOL). It's easy to play flash games with it still running, though I haven't tried stand-alone games yet. I'm an occasional Windows user. Teresa Winging its way from my iPod > On Jul 25, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: > > Hi Dark, > > Yeah, I understand that. I certainly had no illusions about you > wanting to change screen readers. However, the basic thing I wanted to > say is that there isn't a quick and easy way to switch speech on and > off in Jaws the way you can in Supernova. Come to think of it I'm not > sure there is a quick way to do it in Window-Eyes either without > specially assigning a key for that purpose. So all and all I think > Supernova is a bit unique in its built-in ability to switch speech on > and off with a quick and easy keyboard command. The only other screen > reader I can think of that has a similar feature is NVDA. > > Cheers! > > >> On 7/25/14, dark wrote: >> Hi Tom. >> >> It was really only idle curiosity sinse I certainly have no plans to switch >> >> to Jaws. it's just that as I said I flick supernova's speech on and off all >> >> the time (the key is ctrl )zero). >> >> For example I am currently watching Star trek deep space 9. Obviously I >> don't want to interupt dvd playback by supernova saying "spacebar" everytime >> >> I play and paws etc, so I have the voice off. I did however configure the >> time skip key to exactly the length of the theme tune, so that once I've >> watched the initial teaser I can just hit pagedown and instantly skip to the >> >> end without having to sit through the opening titles for 100 odd episodes. >> >> This was fairly easy, I just hit ctrl c to bring Up Power dvd's >> configuration settings and play with the number of seconds that the time >> skip function actually skips, however obviously I had to go from opening the >> >> configuration pannel (which I needed supernova for), to playing the dvd, >> which I didn't to see if my time skip worked. >> >> This is why I am curious sinse flicking the speech on and off is something I >> >> always take for granted in supernova and use very frequently. >> >> Beware the grue! >> >> Dark. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
In a lot of cases, even if you turn speech off for JAWS, you still have all the keyboard hooks digging into whatever application you're running, and they'll still interfere. That's why JAWS has a "sleep mode". I know there's a way to simply disable speech, but I don't remember it. It's been seven years since I last used JAWS, and any information I might pull out of my dusty brain might be outdated, anyhow. :) Teresa Winging its way from my iPod > On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:35 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: > > Hi Dark, > > That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. > I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the > versions of Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the > way I can with NVDA or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that > has been my experience. there may be a way to do what you want to do, > but I'm just not familiar with any current Jaws releases to give you > an answer without downloading the Jaws demo, installing it, and > playing around with it to find out if what you are asking is possible > or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it disables speech or > enables speech which is quick and easy. > > Cheers! > > >> On 7/25/14, dark wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I do get you can configure jaws to stop working for particular programs, >> what I meant is what do you do say if you want to read one specific thing in >> >> a program but want the screen reader off most of the time? >> >> Beware the grue! >> >> Dark. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Dark, Yeah, I understand that. I certainly had no illusions about you wanting to change screen readers. However, the basic thing I wanted to say is that there isn't a quick and easy way to switch speech on and off in Jaws the way you can in Supernova. Come to think of it I'm not sure there is a quick way to do it in Window-Eyes either without specially assigning a key for that purpose. So all and all I think Supernova is a bit unique in its built-in ability to switch speech on and off with a quick and easy keyboard command. The only other screen reader I can think of that has a similar feature is NVDA. Cheers! On 7/25/14, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > It was really only idle curiosity sinse I certainly have no plans to switch > > to Jaws. it's just that as I said I flick supernova's speech on and off all > > the time (the key is ctrl )zero). > > For example I am currently watching Star trek deep space 9. Obviously I > don't want to interupt dvd playback by supernova saying "spacebar" everytime > > I play and paws etc, so I have the voice off. I did however configure the > time skip key to exactly the length of the theme tune, so that once I've > watched the initial teaser I can just hit pagedown and instantly skip to the > > end without having to sit through the opening titles for 100 odd episodes. > > This was fairly easy, I just hit ctrl c to bring Up Power dvd's > configuration settings and play with the number of seconds that the time > skip function actually skips, however obviously I had to go from opening the > > configuration pannel (which I needed supernova for), to playing the dvd, > which I didn't to see if my time skip worked. > > This is why I am curious sinse flicking the speech on and off is something I > > always take for granted in supernova and use very frequently. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
also, I'll add supernova has a scripting language, you can write scripts in Luaa, although most of the time it's not necessary. i don't know what sn does with respect to direct x or wthe windows api, though obviously as I said it doesn't have the keyboard hooks thing. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Tom. It was really only idle curiosity sinse I certainly have no plans to switch to Jaws. it's just that as I said I flick supernova's speech on and off all the time (the key is ctrl )zero). For example I am currently watching Star trek deep space 9. Obviously I don't want to interupt dvd playback by supernova saying "spacebar" everytime I play and paws etc, so I have the voice off. I did however configure the time skip key to exactly the length of the theme tune, so that once I've watched the initial teaser I can just hit pagedown and instantly skip to the end without having to sit through the opening titles for 100 odd episodes. This was fairly easy, I just hit ctrl c to bring Up Power dvd's configuration settings and play with the number of seconds that the time skip function actually skips, however obviously I had to go from opening the configuration pannel (which I needed supernova for), to playing the dvd, which I didn't to see if my time skip worked. This is why I am curious sinse flicking the speech on and off is something I always take for granted in supernova and use very frequently. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi John, That's pretty much what I thought. Although, it should be possible to create a Jaws script that enables and disables sleep mode globally with a single hot key. I've never tried it before, but the Jaws scripting interface is fairly flexible in a lot of cases to add features like this as needed. Cheers! On 7/25/14, john wrote: > Jaws does not have a speech off function, unless you count setting the > synthesizer to no speech. Excluding that, the closest you're going to get > without disabling it entirely is sleep mode. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
The only thing I see you can do is either unload jaws or put it to sleep. At 06:35 AM 7/25/2014, you wrote: Hi Dark, That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the versions of Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the way I can with NVDA or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that has been my experience. there may be a way to do what you want to do, but I'm just not familiar with any current Jaws releases to give you an answer without downloading the Jaws demo, installing it, and playing around with it to find out if what you are asking is possible or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it disables speech or enables speech which is quick and easy. Cheers! On 7/25/14, dark wrote: > Hi. > > I do get you can configure jaws to stop working for particular programs, > what I meant is what do you do say if you want to read one specific thing in > > a program but want the screen reader off most of the time? > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Jaws does not have a speech off function, unless you count setting the synthesizer to no speech. Excluding that, the closest you're going to get without disabling it entirely is sleep mode. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Shaun, To be honest I don't see what Jaws having a scripting language has anything to do with this discussion of screen readers and games. Sure, its true that Jaws was one of the first screen readers to support a scripting language which made it very powerful, and helped push it to the forefront of screen reader technology, but that in of itself has little to do with this discussion here. Equally true NVDA is written in Python which in of itself is basically an all purpose scripting language, but has very little to do with the discussion at hand. NVDA basically just wraps the various accessibility libraries and functionality of Windows and is a very small and robust little screen reader. However, contrary to your message below it does not use any screen or keyboard hooks. Based on what I've seen NVDA merely monitors the Windows messages and events and then processes that information into spoken or braille feedback for the blind user. In short, it is all event driven and does not use any keyboard intercepts or off-screen displays like Jaws uses which was there long before Windows had its own accessibility APIs. NVDA is a new screen reader using newer up to date techniques for handling Windows access so has none of the bad hacks and workarounds found in older screen readers like Jaws that had no other access to the information until now. Since NVDA uses a stock event driven keyboard interface it naturally does not interfere with something like DirectX. NVDA doesn't try to intercept and take control over the keyboard the way Jaws does. I think a lot of the things Jaws does is now deprecated and to be honest I think the screen reader needs a good rewrite to get with the times. Once done Jaws would be more compatible with games using DirectX as well as not be so sluggish in certain apps and games where its keyboard hooks slows down input drastically. Cheers! On 7/25/14, shaun everiss wrote: > well tom going slightly off topic but not much. > Though jaws is quite bloated now it was the first reader to have > scripting of any sort and the fact still is that if something works > with jaws its probably true that it works with everything else. > Nvda is closely linked with the os using os compatible stuff builtin > libraries but its writen in python a scripting language. > Everything starts somewhere. > I can not comment on windoweyes but like jaws and dolphin they had a > dos reader. > Though I can not speak for dolphin versions over 12.0, I can say that > dolphin stuff was the first lot of stuff that I used spaciffic synths > made by dolphin for the reader in question first a gemini and then orpheus. > THe interface has been alwas easy to handle and its never been > bloated though with everyone going ocr that may have changed ofcause. > As for hooks, with the acception of jaws I think nvda uses keyboard > and screen hooks but they are not really intifeering with anything as such. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games was the Blind Swordsman
Hi Dark, That's a good question, and I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. I rarely use Jaws any more myself. That said, I do know in the versions of Jaws I've used I can't just flick speech on and off the way I can with NVDA or the way you can with Supernova. At least, that has been my experience. there may be a way to do what you want to do, but I'm just not familiar with any current Jaws releases to give you an answer without downloading the Jaws demo, installing it, and playing around with it to find out if what you are asking is possible or not. In NVDA one can press insert+s until it disables speech or enables speech which is quick and easy. Cheers! On 7/25/14, dark wrote: > Hi. > > I do get you can configure jaws to stop working for particular programs, > what I meant is what do you do say if you want to read one specific thing in > > a program but want the screen reader off most of the time? > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
