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true. on an interesting sidenote a show talking on various things talked about the state of echonomic affairs of the world and the western world in general. WHat I was told was that right now capatalism dirty and bad though it is is at this moment the only viable and workable system to keep things going for now. THat other systems had not built up to it yet. I was unfortunately traveling in the car to a friends place and arrived there just as it was getting interesting. We can get from this a couple of things. 1. the current system sucks but so what or. 2. the current system sucks but its all we have right now but another system may take over in the near future. So there is hope. Saying that the system we have now wasn't always bad. We needed it when things got started, but just like a hard drive its getting to full of files. its running out of ram and well it needs upgrading. It doesn't help then when things break which they will tend to do that well who knows. I agree with nvda though. Its growing quite fast and yess eventually the collective may have power over the others. But There is a question. If we have power to crush the others do we become what we hate so much. If I was a pirate that was going after copywrite holders of stuff because of prices and such. If I ever managed to get big would I end up doing what I was my swarn enemy. Would I be the person doing the evil deed. The scary thing is I think I would. Greed is one of the human trates that has existed since the beginning and will continue to do so. Its vary possible that it will go round and round. ants will become giants eventually that will step on ants that were once like themselves. This is getting to complex for a sunday. However in the case with nvda its worth noting that there are people in the industry that even if they don't put it out publically do acknowledge at least privately some being my friends that nvda is one of the moovers. Its not like its a secret ofcause. Ofcause the big thing will be when they become a big threat when the big guys realise they are about to become ants and then attack on mass. If we survive a suit or 2 maybe we will survive. I hope blind games can get to the point where if we need to fight we can do so and win. I am not sure how many such fights we need to be rated among the big guys but still. Then again not all giants are bad, only sertain types in sertain arieas. At 01:59 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Unfortunately, that is all too common when it comes to corporate capitalism. It seems the larger and more well known the company in question the people at the top of the corporate ladder are less and less likely to care about their customers and only think about money, money, money. It has always been that way, and it is the very reason the United States government has had to step in and break up monopolies, because once a corporation grew to a certain size they began to abuse their wealth and power by charging high prices for products and services, ignoring accessibility concerns, whatever. However, there is always a counter balance that shift things back in the other direction eventually. To pud it this way, you said the corporations see us as ants. That may be true, but in the wild get enough ants together and they can bring down an elephant. Individually they might be weak, but as a single unit the aunts are stronger than any single animal that happens to step on their ant hill. The corporate markets work in a similar way. Here in the USA and around the world Freedom Scientific has consistently tried to monopolize the access technology market. They have all kinds of deals going with state agencies, other corporations, and have cared less and less about their customer base. However, some of the customers are fighting back by creating a free/low cost screen reader like NVDA, and everyone who can contribute to NVDA does so. As a result in the space of five years or so NVDA has taken a huge chunk of Freedom Scientific's screen reader market a lot of that was due to their high prices, bad tech support, buggy software, and NVDA has made a big difference for people like myself who couldn't afford the price Freedom Scientific were charging for Jaws. Those customers who chose to drop Jaws for NVDA may have been akin to ants initially, but get a few thousand or more customers to leave Jaws for NVDA and Freedom Scientific stands to lose millions of dollars because of their greedy practices. As I said there are always checks and balances even for the mightiest corporations. Cheers! On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I was talking on the subject of copywrite on another list. And I have come to the sad conclusion that the bigger the companies get the smaller their customers get and the less they actually care. The sharks care about anyting that can pose a threat in the case of companies these are others bigger than them or the same
Re: [Audyssey] This message is for Dark
Well I was talking on the subject of copywrite on another list. And I have come to the sad conclusion that the bigger the companies get the smaller their customers get and the less they actually care. The sharks care about anyting that can pose a threat in the case of companies these are others bigger than them or the same sise or slightly smaller. Nz is a small country which doesn't help but disabled anyone, imagine how small we are. We do not have the power to fight fish such as those what companies are made of. And they know we are small so they don't care. Even the big companies loose in the ongoing progress wars. We are little more than ants and thats the only conclusion I can make without swearing on list. Its the only thing I can think of. At 06:46 PM 11/15/2013, you wrote: Hi Steven, Well, I think your message was intended for me not Dark, but in any case I'll address your message anyway. To begin with while I realize you were just stating an opinion I still think you were bordering on inflammatory when you failed to give reasons for your opinion. Calling something like Linux inferior without any explanation as to why you think and feel that way is unproductive in a discussion like this one. It also happens to be untrue as Linux is superior to Windows in a number of areas, and so is a viable option for some users who happen to like the OS for reasons of their own. So while I won't take your opinion personally I do think it may be a misinformed opinion. At any rate, to answer your question I think Apple should make a version of iTunes available for Linux simply to increase compatibility with their devices. If I am going to go out and pay $199 for a new iPhone I think I should be able to use it with any computer and operating system I choose regardless if it is running Windows, Mac, Linux, whatever. Weather Linux is inferior or not has nothing to do with it. I am a customer of theirs and I think I have the right to use their devices with whatever platform I happen to like best, or I simply do not buy their devices. End of story. I guess in a broader sense this is exactly what open source is all about. It is the freedom of choice. A person is not restricted to one choice of operating system. Most open source initiatives like Firefox, Thunderbird, Audacity, LibreOffice, to name a few give the end user a choice what platform and operating system they wish to use. A lot of closed source software usually only target one platform and one operating system restricting a persons choices to whatever the developer chooses. We are in fact facing this issue right now with audio games. As you know many audio games were developed specifically for Windows, but many blind users are migrating to Mac OS X. In order to play games they are having to run Windows in a virtual machine or to run Windows side by side with Mac OS. The best solution is to release a version of the game for both platforms. However, as the developers aren't interested in doing that the end user, the customer, is stuck doing without. Well, my feeling about iTunes is largely the same principle. I use Linux on several different computers because it is cheaper, does what I want it to do, and if an Apple iPhone isn't compatible with Linux then I'll simply have to find a different phone that is. If Apple is concerned about my business, which I am certain they aren't, they will make it possible for me to sink files to and from my Apple device with Linux. Perhaps if Apple's iPhone was the only show in town I might have a different opinion, but they aren't. Android is slowly but surely getting better, and it will do what I want it to do. So when it comes to freedom of choice Android is better. Cheers! On 11/14/13, steven earge...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Dark, For games, buying an iphone is much better than buying an Anddroid. I Iphone, being the superior phone that it is, has more games than the Anddroid. However, I do see the cost issue and some compatibility issues. But why would Apple make Itutes for something as inferior as Linux? This is my opinion, and should not be taken personally. Signed, Steven Witness for the defense, Albus Percival Wulfrick Brian Dumbledore. Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] This message is for Dark
Hi Shaun, Unfortunately, that is all too common when it comes to corporate capitalism. It seems the larger and more well known the company in question the people at the top of the corporate ladder are less and less likely to care about their customers and only think about money, money, money. It has always been that way, and it is the very reason the United States government has had to step in and break up monopolies, because once a corporation grew to a certain size they began to abuse their wealth and power by charging high prices for products and services, ignoring accessibility concerns, whatever. However, there is always a counter balance that shift things back in the other direction eventually. To pud it this way, you said the corporations see us as ants. That may be true, but in the wild get enough ants together and they can bring down an elephant. Individually they might be weak, but as a single unit the aunts are stronger than any single animal that happens to step on their ant hill. The corporate markets work in a similar way. Here in the USA and around the world Freedom Scientific has consistently tried to monopolize the access technology market. They have all kinds of deals going with state agencies, other corporations, and have cared less and less about their customer base. However, some of the customers are fighting back by creating a free/low cost screen reader like NVDA, and everyone who can contribute to NVDA does so. As a result in the space of five years or so NVDA has taken a huge chunk of Freedom Scientific's screen reader market a lot of that was due to their high prices, bad tech support, buggy software, and NVDA has made a big difference for people like myself who couldn't afford the price Freedom Scientific were charging for Jaws. Those customers who chose to drop Jaws for NVDA may have been akin to ants initially, but get a few thousand or more customers to leave Jaws for NVDA and Freedom Scientific stands to lose millions of dollars because of their greedy practices. As I said there are always checks and balances even for the mightiest corporations. Cheers! On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I was talking on the subject of copywrite on another list. And I have come to the sad conclusion that the bigger the companies get the smaller their customers get and the less they actually care. The sharks care about anyting that can pose a threat in the case of companies these are others bigger than them or the same sise or slightly smaller. Nz is a small country which doesn't help but disabled anyone, imagine how small we are. We do not have the power to fight fish such as those what companies are made of. And they know we are small so they don't care. Even the big companies loose in the ongoing progress wars. We are little more than ants and thats the only conclusion I can make without swearing on list. Its the only thing I can think of. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I was just getting used to NVDA when I switched to the Mac. I had a little pang of regret, because at the time, I thought NVDA had a lot of promise. I still think it’s a great solution. It’s still installed on my husband’s Windows computer in case I need it, and I have a portable copy to use on friends’ PCs. Anyway, Thomas, I agree with you. We have power if we get together and use it. Teresa The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete Graham On Nov 16, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, Unfortunately, that is all too common when it comes to corporate capitalism. It seems the larger and more well known the company in question the people at the top of the corporate ladder are less and less likely to care about their customers and only think about money, money, money. It has always been that way, and it is the very reason the United States government has had to step in and break up monopolies, because once a corporation grew to a certain size they began to abuse their wealth and power by charging high prices for products and services, ignoring accessibility concerns, whatever. However, there is always a counter balance that shift things back in the other direction eventually. To pud it this way, you said the corporations see us as ants. That may be true, but in the wild get enough ants together and they can bring down an elephant. Individually they might be weak, but as a single unit the aunts are stronger than any single animal that happens to step on their ant hill. The corporate markets work in a similar way. Here in the USA and around the world Freedom Scientific has consistently tried to monopolize the access technology market. They have all kinds of deals going with state agencies, other corporations, and have cared less and less about their customer base. However, some of the customers are fighting back by creating a free/low cost screen reader like NVDA, and everyone who can contribute to NVDA does so. As a result in the space of five years or so NVDA has taken a huge chunk of Freedom Scientific's screen reader market a lot of that was due to their high prices, bad tech support, buggy software, and NVDA has made a big difference for people like myself who couldn't afford the price Freedom Scientific were charging for Jaws. Those customers who chose to drop Jaws for NVDA may have been akin to ants initially, but get a few thousand or more customers to leave Jaws for NVDA and Freedom Scientific stands to lose millions of dollars because of their greedy practices. As I said there are always checks and balances even for the mightiest corporations. Cheers! On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I was talking on the subject of copywrite on another list. And I have come to the sad conclusion that the bigger the companies get the smaller their customers get and the less they actually care. The sharks care about anyting that can pose a threat in the case of companies these are others bigger than them or the same sise or slightly smaller. Nz is a small country which doesn't help but disabled anyone, imagine how small we are. We do not have the power to fight fish such as those what companies are made of. And they know we are small so they don't care. Even the big companies loose in the ongoing progress wars. We are little more than ants and thats the only conclusion I can make without swearing on list. Its the only thing I can think of. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Mmmm, steven what has this to do with me? I agree that there are more games for the Iphone, I own an iphone and enjoy it, however I don't agree that linux is an inferior platform, for all it's never attracted my interest due to it just not providing any of the things I want a computer to do much easier than windows xp. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: steven earge...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:53 AM Subject: [Audyssey] This message is for Dark Dear Dark, For games, buying an iphone is much better than buying an Anddroid. I Iphone, being the superior phone that it is, has more games than the Anddroid. However, I do see the cost issue and some compatibility issues. But why would Apple make Itutes for something as inferior as Linux? This is my opinion, and should not be taken personally. Signed, Steven Witness for the defense, Albus Percival Wulfrick Brian Dumbledore. Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] This message is for Dark
Dear Dark, For games, buying an iphone is much better than buying an Anddroid. I Iphone, being the superior phone that it is, has more games than the Anddroid. However, I do see the cost issue and some compatibility issues. But why would Apple make Itutes for something as inferior as Linux? This is my opinion, and should not be taken personally. Signed, Steven Witness for the defense, Albus Percival Wulfrick Brian Dumbledore. Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] This message is for Dark
Hi Steven, Well, I think your message was intended for me not Dark, but in any case I'll address your message anyway. To begin with while I realize you were just stating an opinion I still think you were bordering on inflammatory when you failed to give reasons for your opinion. Calling something like Linux inferior without any explanation as to why you think and feel that way is unproductive in a discussion like this one. It also happens to be untrue as Linux is superior to Windows in a number of areas, and so is a viable option for some users who happen to like the OS for reasons of their own. So while I won't take your opinion personally I do think it may be a misinformed opinion. At any rate, to answer your question I think Apple should make a version of iTunes available for Linux simply to increase compatibility with their devices. If I am going to go out and pay $199 for a new iPhone I think I should be able to use it with any computer and operating system I choose regardless if it is running Windows, Mac, Linux, whatever. Weather Linux is inferior or not has nothing to do with it. I am a customer of theirs and I think I have the right to use their devices with whatever platform I happen to like best, or I simply do not buy their devices. End of story. I guess in a broader sense this is exactly what open source is all about. It is the freedom of choice. A person is not restricted to one choice of operating system. Most open source initiatives like Firefox, Thunderbird, Audacity, LibreOffice, to name a few give the end user a choice what platform and operating system they wish to use. A lot of closed source software usually only target one platform and one operating system restricting a persons choices to whatever the developer chooses. We are in fact facing this issue right now with audio games. As you know many audio games were developed specifically for Windows, but many blind users are migrating to Mac OS X. In order to play games they are having to run Windows in a virtual machine or to run Windows side by side with Mac OS. The best solution is to release a version of the game for both platforms. However, as the developers aren't interested in doing that the end user, the customer, is stuck doing without. Well, my feeling about iTunes is largely the same principle. I use Linux on several different computers because it is cheaper, does what I want it to do, and if an Apple iPhone isn't compatible with Linux then I'll simply have to find a different phone that is. If Apple is concerned about my business, which I am certain they aren't, they will make it possible for me to sink files to and from my Apple device with Linux. Perhaps if Apple's iPhone was the only show in town I might have a different opinion, but they aren't. Android is slowly but surely getting better, and it will do what I want it to do. So when it comes to freedom of choice Android is better. Cheers! On 11/14/13, steven earge...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Dark, For games, buying an iphone is much better than buying an Anddroid. I Iphone, being the superior phone that it is, has more games than the Anddroid. However, I do see the cost issue and some compatibility issues. But why would Apple make Itutes for something as inferior as Linux? This is my opinion, and should not be taken personally. Signed, Steven Witness for the defense, Albus Percival Wulfrick Brian Dumbledore. Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
