Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Makes sense, I guess. I had no idea though, actually I never really played around with sapi by itself and sapi with jaws. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem I think it means while you're actually using the voice for your screen reader. That might explain why with JFW voices like the Scansoft or AT&T voices wouldn't pause at the end of sentences or at commas. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: "Constantine" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Wierd, I had no idea jaws did that - it would actually be neat if sapi could have an accessible dictionary for people to use. That's just me though. So basically your saying when jfw or window eyes is installed it does some behind the scenes work on the sapi default dictionary? Or you mean using the sapi voices in conjunction with jfw? thanks contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi Dark, That's not necessarily a bug. Comparing a screen reader to a software speech system like Sapi isn't really a good comparison in this instance. While text to speech systems like Sapi have there own dictionaries that tells the synth how to say various words, numbers, and punctuation marks, etc any third-party software such as a screen reader can over ride the voice's built in speech dictionary. For example, in Jaws you can configure it to say numbers as whole numbers, single digits, or in pares. So a string of numbers like 1, 9, 8, 6 can be spoken as 1,986, 19 86, or 1 9 8 6. That's a simple case where the screen reader overrides whatever the text to speech voice would ordinarily say given the same number in another application. Bottom line, just becauseJaws says something correctly it doesn't mean the Sapi voice or application using Sapi is buggy. It is more likely that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc has performed some extra speech processing behind the scenes and is more accurate. Smile. dark wrote: Hi Che. sinse that line reads fine with JAws and not with Sapi, I would actually class it as a bug, I'm only using scripting because it won't automatically read. I've tried the command with what I believe to be the correct syntax in the trigger dialogue, - as I detailed, but either I did something wrong, or there is something more intrinsic to why sSapi won't read a line written in betwene less than greater than prompts. I'm really not sure sinse as I said, apparently it reads fine with other speech methods. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
I've tried all the sapi voices I have, - namely scansoft daniel and ms mike, mary and sam all with the same result. If the less than greater than is indeed a silencing tag for Sapi, - maybe that is the problem, Though I have no idea why it would affect only my computer and not my friends. Perhaps if this is indeed a silencing tag, as a lot of muds seem to write character status within less than greater than prompts, - maybe this is an issue with Vip mud sapi support. Any idea how I disable that sapi function? Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "piotr machacz" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem have you tried using other voices? might be that it's the voice causing the problems... wait, I remember that one of the sapi5 tags was indeed the less than or greater than sign.it's used to, funny enough, silence a line. we've been doing some jokes with klango with this. On 5/29/09, dark wrote: Hi Tom. While I certainly understand what you mean, afterall that's why I use Hal with orphius and not sapi (and even if I did, I'd muck about with pronunciation and verbosity with Hal), when I described it as a bug, i meant that it is a flaw in the vip mud program when outputing to sapi which does not exist when using it with screen reader support. Sinse the program is billed as allowing the user to play muds with sapi, and this issue makes that not possible (due to unexpected death through not knowing character status), it is therefore at the least, a serious issue in program support. For obvious reasons I'd have not bought the program if it only supported window eyes and jaws. but before we go too far down the "I wan my money back" road, - or indeed anything near that very nasty pathway, as i said to Che, it seems this is a more individualized sapi problem which I am having, sinse I was able to do a test by having a friend also use vip mud, scansoft daniel and materia magica, - and found that the text there read without a hitch, - and in fact after a second experiment, it seems the same problem occurs in medievia which displays it's text in the same format. I coppied that text into a text file and then tried reading it with Jim kitchin's text file reader - which obviously uses sapi, and again, it wouldn't read. so, the cause of the problem isn't vip mud or materia magica, - or even sansoft daniel, it's sapi! the problem is i've no idea where to go from here, sinse (as you rightly pointed out), sapi has no verbosity controls or similar abilities for the user to mess with how it speaks certain things. Any advice would be much appreciated. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi Dark, That's not necessarily a bug. Comparing a screen reader to a software speech system like Sapi isn't really a good comparison in this instance. While text to speech systems like Sapi have there own dictionaries that tells the synth how to say various words, numbers, and punctuation marks, etc any third-party software such as a screen reader can over ride the voice's built in speech dictionary. For example, in Jaws you can configure it to say numbers as whole numbers, single digits, or in pares. So a string of numbers like 1, 9, 8, 6 can be spoken as 1,986, 19 86, or 1 9 8 6. That's a simple case where the screen reader overrides whatever the text to speech voice would ordinarily say given the same number in another application. Bottom line, just becauseJaws says something correctly it doesn't mean the Sapi voice or application using Sapi is buggy. It is more likely that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc has performed some extra speech processing behind the scenes and is more accurate. Smile. dark wrote: Hi Che. sinse that line reads fine with JAws and not with Sapi, I would actually class it as a bug, I'm only using scripting because it won't automatically read. I've tried the command with what I believe to be the correct syntax in the trigger dialogue, - as I detailed, but either I did something wrong, or there is something more intrinsic to why sSapi won't read a line written in betwene less than greater than prompts. I'm really not sure sinse as I said, apparently it reads fine with other speech methods. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be se
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Has anyone used one of the Wheel of Time-muds using this client? Is it at all possible to do it? - Original Message - From: "piotr machacz" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem have you tried using other voices? might be that it's the voice causing the problems... wait, I remember that one of the sapi5 tags was indeed the less than or greater than sign.it's used to, funny enough, silence a line. we've been doing some jokes with klango with this. On 5/29/09, dark wrote: Hi Tom. While I certainly understand what you mean, afterall that's why I use Hal with orphius and not sapi (and even if I did, I'd muck about with pronunciation and verbosity with Hal), when I described it as a bug, i meant that it is a flaw in the vip mud program when outputing to sapi which does not exist when using it with screen reader support. Sinse the program is billed as allowing the user to play muds with sapi, and this issue makes that not possible (due to unexpected death through not knowing character status), it is therefore at the least, a serious issue in program support. For obvious reasons I'd have not bought the program if it only supported window eyes and jaws. but before we go too far down the "I wan my money back" road, - or indeed anything near that very nasty pathway, as i said to Che, it seems this is a more individualized sapi problem which I am having, sinse I was able to do a test by having a friend also use vip mud, scansoft daniel and materia magica, - and found that the text there read without a hitch, - and in fact after a second experiment, it seems the same problem occurs in medievia which displays it's text in the same format. I coppied that text into a text file and then tried reading it with Jim kitchin's text file reader - which obviously uses sapi, and again, it wouldn't read. so, the cause of the problem isn't vip mud or materia magica, - or even sansoft daniel, it's sapi! the problem is i've no idea where to go from here, sinse (as you rightly pointed out), sapi has no verbosity controls or similar abilities for the user to mess with how it speaks certain things. Any advice would be much appreciated. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi Dark, That's not necessarily a bug. Comparing a screen reader to a software speech system like Sapi isn't really a good comparison in this instance. While text to speech systems like Sapi have there own dictionaries that tells the synth how to say various words, numbers, and punctuation marks, etc any third-party software such as a screen reader can over ride the voice's built in speech dictionary. For example, in Jaws you can configure it to say numbers as whole numbers, single digits, or in pares. So a string of numbers like 1, 9, 8, 6 can be spoken as 1,986, 19 86, or 1 9 8 6. That's a simple case where the screen reader overrides whatever the text to speech voice would ordinarily say given the same number in another application. Bottom line, just becauseJaws says something correctly it doesn't mean the Sapi voice or application using Sapi is buggy. It is more likely that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc has performed some extra speech processing behind the scenes and is more accurate. Smile. dark wrote: Hi Che. sinse that line reads fine with JAws and not with Sapi, I would actually class it as a bug, I'm only using scripting because it won't automatically read. I've tried the command with what I believe to be the correct syntax in the trigger dialogue, - as I detailed, but either I did something wrong, or there is something more intrinsic to why sSapi won't read a line written in betwene less than greater than prompts. I'm really not sure sinse as I said, apparently it reads fine with other speech methods. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
have you tried using other voices? might be that it's the voice causing the problems... wait, I remember that one of the sapi5 tags was indeed the less than or greater than sign.it's used to, funny enough, silence a line. we've been doing some jokes with klango with this. On 5/29/09, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > While I certainly understand what you mean, afterall that's why I use > Hal with orphius and not sapi (and even if I did, I'd muck about with > pronunciation and verbosity with Hal), when I described it as a bug, i meant > that it is a flaw in the vip mud program when outputing to sapi which does > not exist when using it with screen reader support. > > Sinse the program is billed as allowing the user to play muds with > sapi, and this issue makes that not possible (due to unexpected death > through not knowing character status), it is therefore at the least, a > serious issue in program support. > > For obvious reasons I'd have not bought the program if it only supported > window eyes and jaws. > > but before we go too far down the "I wan my money back" road, - or > indeed anything near that very nasty pathway, as i said to Che, it seems > this is a more individualized sapi problem which I am having, sinse I was > able to do a test by having a friend also use vip mud, scansoft daniel and > materia magica, - and found that the text there read without a > hitch, - and in fact after a second experiment, it seems the same > problem occurs in medievia which displays it's text in the same format. > > I coppied that text into a text file and then tried reading it with Jim > kitchin's text file reader - which obviously uses sapi, and again, it > wouldn't read. > > so, the cause of the problem isn't vip mud or materia magica, - or even > sansoft daniel, it's sapi! > > the problem is i've no idea where to go from here, sinse (as you rightly > pointed out), sapi has no verbosity controls or similar abilities for the > user to mess with how it speaks certain things. > > Any advice would be much appreciated. > > Beware the Grue! > > Dark. > - Original Message - > From: "Thomas Ward" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem > > >> Hi Dark, >> That's not necessarily a bug. Comparing a screen reader to a software >> speech system like Sapi isn't really a good comparison in this instance. >> While text to speech systems like Sapi have there own dictionaries that >> tells the synth how to say various words, numbers, and punctuation marks, >> etc any third-party software such as a screen reader can over ride the >> voice's built in speech dictionary. For example, in Jaws you can configure >> >> it to say numbers as whole numbers, single digits, or in pares. So a >> string of numbers like 1, 9, 8, 6 can be spoken as 1,986, 19 86, or 1 9 8 >> 6. That's a simple case where the screen reader overrides whatever the >> text to speech voice would ordinarily say given the same number in another >> >> application. >> Bottom line, just becauseJaws says something correctly it doesn't mean the >> >> Sapi voice or application using Sapi is buggy. It is more likely that >> Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc has performed some extra speech processing >> behind the scenes and is more accurate. >> Smile. >> >> dark wrote: >>> Hi Che. >>> >>> sinse that line reads fine with JAws and not with Sapi, I would actually >>> class it as a bug, I'm only using scripting because it won't >>> automatically read. >>> >>> I've tried the command with what I believe to be the correct syntax in >>> the trigger dialogue, - as I detailed, but either I did something >>> wrong, or there is something more intrinsic to why sSapi won't read a >>> line written in betwene less than greater than prompts. >>> >>> I'm really not sure sinse as I said, apparently it reads fine with other >>> speech methods. >>> >>> Beware the Grue! >>> >>> Dark. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Hi Tom. While I certainly understand what you mean, afterall that's why I use Hal with orphius and not sapi (and even if I did, I'd muck about with pronunciation and verbosity with Hal), when I described it as a bug, i meant that it is a flaw in the vip mud program when outputing to sapi which does not exist when using it with screen reader support. Sinse the program is billed as allowing the user to play muds with sapi, and this issue makes that not possible (due to unexpected death through not knowing character status), it is therefore at the least, a serious issue in program support. For obvious reasons I'd have not bought the program if it only supported window eyes and jaws. but before we go too far down the "I wan my money back" road, - or indeed anything near that very nasty pathway, as i said to Che, it seems this is a more individualized sapi problem which I am having, sinse I was able to do a test by having a friend also use vip mud, scansoft daniel and materia magica, - and found that the text there read without a hitch, - and in fact after a second experiment, it seems the same problem occurs in medievia which displays it's text in the same format. I coppied that text into a text file and then tried reading it with Jim kitchin's text file reader - which obviously uses sapi, and again, it wouldn't read. so, the cause of the problem isn't vip mud or materia magica, - or even sansoft daniel, it's sapi! the problem is i've no idea where to go from here, sinse (as you rightly pointed out), sapi has no verbosity controls or similar abilities for the user to mess with how it speaks certain things. Any advice would be much appreciated. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi Dark, That's not necessarily a bug. Comparing a screen reader to a software speech system like Sapi isn't really a good comparison in this instance. While text to speech systems like Sapi have there own dictionaries that tells the synth how to say various words, numbers, and punctuation marks, etc any third-party software such as a screen reader can over ride the voice's built in speech dictionary. For example, in Jaws you can configure it to say numbers as whole numbers, single digits, or in pares. So a string of numbers like 1, 9, 8, 6 can be spoken as 1,986, 19 86, or 1 9 8 6. That's a simple case where the screen reader overrides whatever the text to speech voice would ordinarily say given the same number in another application. Bottom line, just becauseJaws says something correctly it doesn't mean the Sapi voice or application using Sapi is buggy. It is more likely that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc has performed some extra speech processing behind the scenes and is more accurate. Smile. dark wrote: Hi Che. sinse that line reads fine with JAws and not with Sapi, I would actually class it as a bug, I'm only using scripting because it won't automatically read. I've tried the command with what I believe to be the correct syntax in the trigger dialogue, - as I detailed, but either I did something wrong, or there is something more intrinsic to why sSapi won't read a line written in betwene less than greater than prompts. I'm really not sure sinse as I said, apparently it reads fine with other speech methods. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
I think it means while you're actually using the voice for your screen reader. That might explain why with JFW voices like the Scansoft or AT&T voices wouldn't pause at the end of sentences or at commas. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: "Constantine" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Wierd, I had no idea jaws did that - it would actually be neat if sapi could have an accessible dictionary for people to use. That's just me though. So basically your saying when jfw or window eyes is installed it does some behind the scenes work on the sapi default dictionary? Or you mean using the sapi voices in conjunction with jfw? thanks contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi Dark, That's not necessarily a bug. Comparing a screen reader to a software speech system like Sapi isn't really a good comparison in this instance. While text to speech systems like Sapi have there own dictionaries that tells the synth how to say various words, numbers, and punctuation marks, etc any third-party software such as a screen reader can over ride the voice's built in speech dictionary. For example, in Jaws you can configure it to say numbers as whole numbers, single digits, or in pares. So a string of numbers like 1, 9, 8, 6 can be spoken as 1,986, 19 86, or 1 9 8 6. That's a simple case where the screen reader overrides whatever the text to speech voice would ordinarily say given the same number in another application. Bottom line, just becauseJaws says something correctly it doesn't mean the Sapi voice or application using Sapi is buggy. It is more likely that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc has performed some extra speech processing behind the scenes and is more accurate. Smile. dark wrote: Hi Che. sinse that line reads fine with JAws and not with Sapi, I would actually class it as a bug, I'm only using scripting because it won't automatically read. I've tried the command with what I believe to be the correct syntax in the trigger dialogue, - as I detailed, but either I did something wrong, or there is something more intrinsic to why sSapi won't read a line written in betwene less than greater than prompts. I'm really not sure sinse as I said, apparently it reads fine with other speech methods. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Wierd, I had no idea jaws did that - it would actually be neat if sapi could have an accessible dictionary for people to use. That's just me though. So basically your saying when jfw or window eyes is installed it does some behind the scenes work on the sapi default dictionary? Or you mean using the sapi voices in conjunction with jfw? thanks contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi Dark, That's not necessarily a bug. Comparing a screen reader to a software speech system like Sapi isn't really a good comparison in this instance. While text to speech systems like Sapi have there own dictionaries that tells the synth how to say various words, numbers, and punctuation marks, etc any third-party software such as a screen reader can over ride the voice's built in speech dictionary. For example, in Jaws you can configure it to say numbers as whole numbers, single digits, or in pares. So a string of numbers like 1, 9, 8, 6 can be spoken as 1,986, 19 86, or 1 9 8 6. That's a simple case where the screen reader overrides whatever the text to speech voice would ordinarily say given the same number in another application. Bottom line, just becauseJaws says something correctly it doesn't mean the Sapi voice or application using Sapi is buggy. It is more likely that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc has performed some extra speech processing behind the scenes and is more accurate. Smile. dark wrote: Hi Che. sinse that line reads fine with JAws and not with Sapi, I would actually class it as a bug, I'm only using scripting because it won't automatically read. I've tried the command with what I believe to be the correct syntax in the trigger dialogue, - as I detailed, but either I did something wrong, or there is something more intrinsic to why sSapi won't read a line written in betwene less than greater than prompts. I'm really not sure sinse as I said, apparently it reads fine with other speech methods. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Hi Dark, That's not necessarily a bug. Comparing a screen reader to a software speech system like Sapi isn't really a good comparison in this instance. While text to speech systems like Sapi have there own dictionaries that tells the synth how to say various words, numbers, and punctuation marks, etc any third-party software such as a screen reader can over ride the voice's built in speech dictionary. For example, in Jaws you can configure it to say numbers as whole numbers, single digits, or in pares. So a string of numbers like 1, 9, 8, 6 can be spoken as 1,986, 19 86, or 1 9 8 6. That's a simple case where the screen reader overrides whatever the text to speech voice would ordinarily say given the same number in another application. Bottom line, just becauseJaws says something correctly it doesn't mean the Sapi voice or application using Sapi is buggy. It is more likely that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc has performed some extra speech processing behind the scenes and is more accurate. Smile. dark wrote: Hi Che. sinse that line reads fine with JAws and not with Sapi, I would actually class it as a bug, I'm only using scripting because it won't automatically read. I've tried the command with what I believe to be the correct syntax in the trigger dialogue, - as I detailed, but either I did something wrong, or there is something more intrinsic to why sSapi won't read a line written in betwene less than greater than prompts. I'm really not sure sinse as I said, apparently it reads fine with other speech methods. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Hi Che. sinse that line reads fine with JAws and not with Sapi, I would actually class it as a bug, I'm only using scripting because it won't automatically read. I've tried the command with what I believe to be the correct syntax in the trigger dialogue, - as I detailed, but either I did something wrong, or there is something more intrinsic to why sSapi won't read a line written in betwene less than greater than prompts. I'm really not sure sinse as I said, apparently it reads fine with other speech methods. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Che" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem I have noticed Dave isn't much into answering problems about scripting and so forth, since it isn't a setup issue or a bug. I asked him a while back about a navigation issue and never got a response, so you may want to check his email list regarding any vip mud scripting. as for triggers, i reccommend using a manual script for it, but you'll have to read the docs for the syntax you need, think there is an example of grabbing and processing the prompt in there somewhere. good luck, che - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi Phil. to be honest I thought he was actually back because he did manage to get my message about the trouble I was having paying for Vip mud using paypal, and the necessity to use a direct transfer to his account from mine sinse there were problems with linking to paypal from the Gma games site. I could understand him just trying to process order though and not having time for tech support questions, so I'll wait. I'll admit I'm a litle frustrated with this one, sinse it seems to be a sapi issue rather than a vip mud issue, and thus far my attempts to solve the problem by mucking about with triggers have been fruitless, - and after getting a char through all the newby area quests in the first ten levels, I really! want to explore the rest of the mm world, sinse it looks like there are loads of quests to do, and places to go, - absolutely my sort of game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
I have noticed Dave isn't much into answering problems about scripting and so forth, since it isn't a setup issue or a bug. I asked him a while back about a navigation issue and never got a response, so you may want to check his email list regarding any vip mud scripting. as for triggers, i reccommend using a manual script for it, but you'll have to read the docs for the syntax you need, think there is an example of grabbing and processing the prompt in there somewhere. good luck, che - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi Phil. to be honest I thought he was actually back because he did manage to get my message about the trouble I was having paying for Vip mud using paypal, and the necessity to use a direct transfer to his account from mine sinse there were problems with linking to paypal from the Gma games site. I could understand him just trying to process order though and not having time for tech support questions, so I'll wait. I'll admit I'm a litle frustrated with this one, sinse it seems to be a sapi issue rather than a vip mud issue, and thus far my attempts to solve the problem by mucking about with triggers have been fruitless, - and after getting a char through all the newby area quests in the first ten levels, I really! want to explore the rest of the mm world, sinse it looks like there are loads of quests to do, and places to go, - absolutely my sort of game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Hi Phil. to be honest I thought he was actually back because he did manage to get my message about the trouble I was having paying for Vip mud using paypal, and the necessity to use a direct transfer to his account from mine sinse there were problems with linking to paypal from the Gma games site. I could understand him just trying to process order though and not having time for tech support questions, so I'll wait. I'll admit I'm a litle frustrated with this one, sinse it seems to be a sapi issue rather than a vip mud issue, and thus far my attempts to solve the problem by mucking about with triggers have been fruitless, - and after getting a char through all the newby area quests in the first ten levels, I really! want to explore the rest of the mm world, sinse it looks like there are loads of quests to do, and places to go, - absolutely my sort of game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Hi Dark, Because David Greenwood has been on vacation for the past three weeks, your VIP mud message to him is probably in a large batch of unread emails. I just got all the keys from him from game orders during that time so I know he is back and working. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Hi. With some help of Cx2 of the audeasy forum, I did attempt to add a trigger to read health, - but it just plane doesn't work. I typed <*> into the trigger box, and # %0 say voiceonly into the commands box. I got no error messages after okaying the command, and then I pressed done, - but it made absolutely no visible difference at all, and frankly I'm not sure what I did wrong. I must admit, this is mildly frustrating me at the moment, - especially sinse apparently the issue doesn't exist with Jaws only with Sapi, and Vip mud doesn't output speech directly to Hal. Has anyone got any further thoughts? Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Che" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem hi dark, You can create a trigger for this that will process this line and either automatically read it to you when it is updated, or allow you to hit a key to get the info, such as f5 or whatever. VIPMud is pretty easy regarding coding these things, and the documentation walks you through how to do it. Ryan and I have done a lot of odifications to the scripts for Lusternia, and it makes playing any mud way more enjoyable. good luck, che - Original Message - From: "dark" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi. I was wondering if someone could please help with this, I've asked everywhere else, including on the vip mud list and with a direct E-mail to david greenwood, but haven't got any replies as yet. Using sapi in materia magica everything is okay accept for one thing. When reading the screen with up and down arrows, Sapi refuses to read the status line showing hp, mp and st (staminer). You can read it with left and right arrows, - and the line is deffinately there sinse I've checked it using Hal, it's just that when reading in coming text, the line doesn't get read - which keeps getting me killed in battles sinse I don't know how damaged I'm getting. It does get read in safe areas where the word "safe" appears at the start, which makes me think it's something to do with the line being surrounded with a less than and greater than sign. Any advice would be much appreciated sinse this is rather frustrating. For a direct comparison here's a cut and paste of the line, - though obviously the values vary (I used Hal). <97hp 94sp 164st> Any advice would be much appreciated. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Hi. You might be able to get around it by changing your prompt in materia magica. Or, you can try making a trigger for that which forces it to read. - Original Message - From: dark To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi. I was wondering if someone could please help with this, I've asked everywhere else, including on the vip mud list and with a direct E-mail to david greenwood, but haven't got any replies as yet. Using sapi in materia magica everything is okay accept for one thing. When reading the screen with up and down arrows, Sapi refuses to read the status line showing hp, mp and st (staminer). You can read it with left and right arrows, - and the line is deffinately there sinse I've checked it using Hal, it's just that when reading in coming text, the line doesn't get read - which keeps getting me killed in battles sinse I don't know how damaged I'm getting. It does get read in safe areas where the word "safe" appears at the start, which makes me think it's something to do with the line being surrounded with a less than and greater than sign. Any advice would be much appreciated sinse this is rather frustrating. For a direct comparison here's a cut and paste of the line, - though obviously the values vary (I used Hal). <97hp 94sp 164st> Any advice would be much appreciated. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090527-0, 05/27/2009 Tested on: 5/27/2009 5:05:42 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
hi dark, You can create a trigger for this that will process this line and either automatically read it to you when it is updated, or allow you to hit a key to get the info, such as f5 or whatever. VIPMud is pretty easy regarding coding these things, and the documentation walks you through how to do it. Ryan and I have done a lot of odifications to the scripts for Lusternia, and it makes playing any mud way more enjoyable. good luck, che - Original Message - From: "dark" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem Hi. I was wondering if someone could please help with this, I've asked everywhere else, including on the vip mud list and with a direct E-mail to david greenwood, but haven't got any replies as yet. Using sapi in materia magica everything is okay accept for one thing. When reading the screen with up and down arrows, Sapi refuses to read the status line showing hp, mp and st (staminer). You can read it with left and right arrows, - and the line is deffinately there sinse I've checked it using Hal, it's just that when reading in coming text, the line doesn't get read - which keeps getting me killed in battles sinse I don't know how damaged I'm getting. It does get read in safe areas where the word "safe" appears at the start, which makes me think it's something to do with the line being surrounded with a less than and greater than sign. Any advice would be much appreciated sinse this is rather frustrating. For a direct comparison here's a cut and paste of the line, - though obviously the values vary (I used Hal). <97hp 94sp 164st> Any advice would be much appreciated. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Vip mud sapi problem
Hi. I was wondering if someone could please help with this, I've asked everywhere else, including on the vip mud list and with a direct E-mail to david greenwood, but haven't got any replies as yet. Using sapi in materia magica everything is okay accept for one thing. When reading the screen with up and down arrows, Sapi refuses to read the status line showing hp, mp and st (staminer). You can read it with left and right arrows, - and the line is deffinately there sinse I've checked it using Hal, it's just that when reading in coming text, the line doesn't get read - which keeps getting me killed in battles sinse I don't know how damaged I'm getting. It does get read in safe areas where the word "safe" appears at the start, which makes me think it's something to do with the line being surrounded with a less than and greater than sign. Any advice would be much appreciated sinse this is rather frustrating. For a direct comparison here's a cut and paste of the line, - though obviously the values vary (I used Hal). <97hp 94sp 164st> Any advice would be much appreciated. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
