Re: [Audyssey] Easing Tentions on List
Is it up to the author to accurately convey a meaning?, or is it up to the reader to figure out what was meant. I think that most of the responsibility is that of the author's. If there are misunderstandings, they should be able to be straightened out through clarification. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Easing Tentions on List This is true. It's very easy to take the flat, emotionless tone of a screen reader and project that onto how the person might be saying what they're thinking. When you think of it that way, it's easy to assume that people are being deliberately malicious or ignorant. If you had the same conversation face to face, or even over the phone, you get so many other subtleties from tone of voice and even how relaxed the environment is in general that give you clues on what is meant by things that are being said. I do get awfully tired of certain people, (not on this list, thank God), who repeatedly say that how they come across online isn't their problem, it's yours for not having a thick skin and other such things. I think there's a lot more to it than that. On 5/1/13, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote: Yes, great post Tom. And in regards to Dan's post: I think one of the reasons that discussions can get heated more quickly via text than verbal conversations is because there is no voice tone in text discussion. In verbal discussion we use voice tone to judge if someone is being sarcastic, humorous, or serious. In text dialogs everyone reads the text from their own perspective without any voice tone to help clarify it and this can quickly lead to misunderstandings. At one of my previous jobs there was a policy that if a text dialog sounded like it was headed south we were to stop emailing and make a direct phone call to finish up the dialog. I think that was a good policy and it's too bad it's not an option on a mailing list. I guess we all, myself included, will need to try more to give the benefit of the doubt when reading and to also take more care in writing. I look forward to the lists refocus on games. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello That sounds like a plan to me. So lets stop all the bs fighting and get back to more sereus problems like blind gaming. Bfn James -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:58 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Easing Tentions on List Hi all, I know over the last week or two we have had a few lively debates such as what to do about the BSC and Blindsoftware.com games, discussions of software piracy, and a vary tense discussion over newer Windows releases. However, I think it is high time that we set aside all these tense debates and differences of opinion and get back to discussing games. We are all friends here so lets have a little fun talking about games, and put the hurt feelings and discussions in the past. :D Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello I think that is very well put, and I think that is a great policy for a bisness to have, and like you said it's just to bad that we can't do it here. bfn James -- From: Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:22 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Easing Tentions on List Yes, great post Tom. And in regards to Dan's post: I think one of the reasons that discussions can get heated more quickly via text than verbal conversations is because there is no voice tone in text discussion. In verbal discussion we use voice tone to judge if someone is being sarcastic, humorous, or serious. In text dialogs everyone reads the text from their own perspective without any voice tone to help clarify it and this can quickly lead to misunderstandings. At one of my previous jobs there was a policy that if a text dialog sounded like it was headed south we were to stop emailing and make a direct phone call to finish up the dialog. I think that was a good policy and it's too bad it's not an option on a mailing list. I guess we all, myself included, will need to try more to give the benefit of the doubt when reading and to also take more care in writing. I look forward to the lists refocus on games. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I aggree tom though I think it was good to air the washing. Also as far as I know this may be one of the first if not the first constructive debates that have not degenerated into a flame war. At 02:58 PM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Hi all, I know over the last week or two we have had a few lively debates such as what to do about the BSC and Blindsoftware.com games, discussions of software piracy, and a vary tense discussion over newer Windows releases. However, I think it is high time that we set aside all these tense debates and differences of opinion and get back to discussing games. We are all friends here so lets have a little fun talking about games, and put the hurt feelings and discussions in the past. :D Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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hmmm never thought about doing that. we would have to have some way to post the scores to somewhere though. would be fun. At 03:29 PM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Let's find games that we can post to scoreboards, and beat the heck out of each other! Heh heh heh. Good sportsmanlike ornery fun! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:58 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Easing Tentions on List Hi all, I know over the last week or two we have had a few lively debates such as what to do about the BSC and Blindsoftware.com games, discussions of software piracy, and a vary tense discussion over newer Windows releases. However, I think it is high time that we set aside all these tense debates and differences of opinion and get back to discussing games. We are all friends here so lets have a little fun talking about games, and put the hurt feelings and discussions in the past. :D Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, while I tend to agree, I've been on some lists where discussions like this happen a lot and it didn't blow the list up or anything. We've actually gotten to know eachother better as people even though it's over the web. So if people can still be adults, it can work, but yes, as I said, I do agree… We need to keep things fun / light and bow out when necessary. :) Thanks for the good moderation! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On May 1, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: HI Dan, You can say that again. I actually had to stop posting messages yesterday because I found myself growing very angry and came close to saying something that would be unbecoming of a moderator. So I exited my mail client, went to the kitchen, and pored myself a glass of ice water to calm down. It was getting that tense and frustrating for me. Its interesting how quickly things people say in an email can be taken the wrong way or not clearly understood. Cheers! On 5/1/13, dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com wrote: Well said Thom You know, its amazing how quickly discussions on the net in particularly get heated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, additionally, people tend to be more bold behind the keyboard. What I mean by this is that when people write emails or send texts, they will say many things they wouldn't think of saying to the person's face. In fact, there is a saying out there which goes something like, I'll say whatever the hell I want to your face ... ... ... book. I think you guys get my meaning. -- Raul A. Gallegos Harry Potter brand condoms: Protect your slytherin from Hogwarts while you're in her chamber of secrets. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 5/1/2013 10:22 PM, Ian Reed wrote: Yes, great post Tom. And in regards to Dan's post: I think one of the reasons that discussions can get heated more quickly via text than verbal conversations is because there is no voice tone in text discussion. In verbal discussion we use voice tone to judge if someone is being sarcastic, humorous, or serious. In text dialogs everyone reads the text from their own perspective without any voice tone to help clarify it and this can quickly lead to misunderstandings. At one of my previous jobs there was a policy that if a text dialog sounded like it was headed south we were to stop emailing and make a direct phone call to finish up the dialog. I think that was a good policy and it's too bad it's not an option on a mailing list. I guess we all, myself included, will need to try more to give the benefit of the doubt when reading and to also take more care in writing. I look forward to the lists refocus on games. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That is a very good point Raul and one I had not thought of. But it is definitely true. I think also that people can have things short circuited in verbal conversations. For instance, they may start angry or irritated but the other person can quickly realize and try to calm the situation. Whereas in text we take our time to write up all the things we're thinking and they all go out together in one big email. Ian Reed On 5/2/2013 6:57 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, additionally, people tend to be more bold behind the keyboard. What I mean by this is that when people write emails or send texts, they will say many things they wouldn't think of saying to the person's face. In fact, there is a saying out there which goes something like, I'll say whatever the hell I want to your face ... ... ... book. I think you guys get my meaning. -- Raul A. Gallegos Harry Potter brand condoms: Protect your slytherin from Hogwarts while you're in her chamber of secrets. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 5/1/2013 10:22 PM, Ian Reed wrote: Yes, great post Tom. And in regards to Dan's post: I think one of the reasons that discussions can get heated more quickly via text than verbal conversations is because there is no voice tone in text discussion. In verbal discussion we use voice tone to judge if someone is being sarcastic, humorous, or serious. In text dialogs everyone reads the text from their own perspective without any voice tone to help clarify it and this can quickly lead to misunderstandings. At one of my previous jobs there was a policy that if a text dialog sounded like it was headed south we were to stop emailing and make a direct phone call to finish up the dialog. I think that was a good policy and it's too bad it's not an option on a mailing list. I guess we all, myself included, will need to try more to give the benefit of the doubt when reading and to also take more care in writing. I look forward to the lists refocus on games. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well said Thom You know, its amazing how quickly discussions on the net in particularly get heated. On 5/2/13, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I know over the last week or two we have had a few lively debates such as what to do about the BSC and Blindsoftware.com games, discussions of software piracy, and a vary tense discussion over newer Windows releases. However, I think it is high time that we set aside all these tense debates and differences of opinion and get back to discussing games. We are all friends here so lets have a little fun talking about games, and put the hurt feelings and discussions in the past. :D Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yes, great post Tom. And in regards to Dan's post: I think one of the reasons that discussions can get heated more quickly via text than verbal conversations is because there is no voice tone in text discussion. In verbal discussion we use voice tone to judge if someone is being sarcastic, humorous, or serious. In text dialogs everyone reads the text from their own perspective without any voice tone to help clarify it and this can quickly lead to misunderstandings. At one of my previous jobs there was a policy that if a text dialog sounded like it was headed south we were to stop emailing and make a direct phone call to finish up the dialog. I think that was a good policy and it's too bad it's not an option on a mailing list. I guess we all, myself included, will need to try more to give the benefit of the doubt when reading and to also take more care in writing. I look forward to the lists refocus on games. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Let's find games that we can post to scoreboards, and beat the heck out of each other! Heh heh heh. Good sportsmanlike ornery fun! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:58 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Easing Tentions on List Hi all, I know over the last week or two we have had a few lively debates such as what to do about the BSC and Blindsoftware.com games, discussions of software piracy, and a vary tense discussion over newer Windows releases. However, I think it is high time that we set aside all these tense debates and differences of opinion and get back to discussing games. We are all friends here so lets have a little fun talking about games, and put the hurt feelings and discussions in the past. :D Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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HI Dan, You can say that again. I actually had to stop posting messages yesterday because I found myself growing very angry and came close to saying something that would be unbecoming of a moderator. So I exited my mail client, went to the kitchen, and pored myself a glass of ice water to calm down. It was getting that tense and frustrating for me. Its interesting how quickly things people say in an email can be taken the wrong way or not clearly understood. Cheers! On 5/1/13, dan cook dan.sc...@gmail.com wrote: Well said Thom You know, its amazing how quickly discussions on the net in particularly get heated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yep i'm currently play8ing treasuremania1 and loving it, Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Easing Tentions on List Let's find games that we can post to scoreboards, and beat the heck out of each other! Heh heh heh. Good sportsmanlike ornery fun! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:58 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Easing Tentions on List Hi all, I know over the last week or two we have had a few lively debates such as what to do about the BSC and Blindsoftware.com games, discussions of software piracy, and a vary tense discussion over newer Windows releases. However, I think it is high time that we set aside all these tense debates and differences of opinion and get back to discussing games. We are all friends here so lets have a little fun talking about games, and put the hurt feelings and discussions in the past. :D Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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This is why punctuation is important when writing for screen reader users. Questions can be determined by screen readers, can't they? This goes for pauses in the right places, too, if you use a comma where you should. It helps to convey the right meaning, and it also makes thing a heck of a lot easier to read. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Easing Tentions on List Yes, great post Tom. And in regards to Dan's post: I think one of the reasons that discussions can get heated more quickly via text than verbal conversations is because there is no voice tone in text discussion. In verbal discussion we use voice tone to judge if someone is being sarcastic, humorous, or serious. In text dialogs everyone reads the text from their own perspective without any voice tone to help clarify it and this can quickly lead to misunderstandings. At one of my previous jobs there was a policy that if a text dialog sounded like it was headed south we were to stop emailing and make a direct phone call to finish up the dialog. I think that was a good policy and it's too bad it's not an option on a mailing list. I guess we all, myself included, will need to try more to give the benefit of the doubt when reading and to also take more care in writing. I look forward to the lists refocus on games. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, This does not apply to e-mails, but to anyone involved in Skype calls and group chats, particularly when there is a heated discussion going on in the chat. I do not like it when people just jump to conclusions just because someone might write something that might sound demanding instead of a request, which leads to further complications. -Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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This is true. It's very easy to take the flat, emotionless tone of a screen reader and project that onto how the person might be saying what they're thinking. When you think of it that way, it's easy to assume that people are being deliberately malicious or ignorant. If you had the same conversation face to face, or even over the phone, you get so many other subtleties from tone of voice and even how relaxed the environment is in general that give you clues on what is meant by things that are being said. I do get awfully tired of certain people, (not on this list, thank God), who repeatedly say that how they come across online isn't their problem, it's yours for not having a thick skin and other such things. I think there's a lot more to it than that. On 5/1/13, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote: Yes, great post Tom. And in regards to Dan's post: I think one of the reasons that discussions can get heated more quickly via text than verbal conversations is because there is no voice tone in text discussion. In verbal discussion we use voice tone to judge if someone is being sarcastic, humorous, or serious. In text dialogs everyone reads the text from their own perspective without any voice tone to help clarify it and this can quickly lead to misunderstandings. At one of my previous jobs there was a policy that if a text dialog sounded like it was headed south we were to stop emailing and make a direct phone call to finish up the dialog. I think that was a good policy and it's too bad it's not an option on a mailing list. I guess we all, myself included, will need to try more to give the benefit of the doubt when reading and to also take more care in writing. I look forward to the lists refocus on games. Ian Reed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
