Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-19 Thread Cary
You want something similar to the Sims Online, only in text form.  Join the
club.  I've been looking for something like that for eons.  If you find
something of the sort, please let me know.  
PS Miriani sucks.  It's too easy to stagnate and not go anywhere as far as
points and rank and what not.  I could only stomach so much salvaging and so
much missioning, out of comms is lame as heck, and well I have other things
to say but I shall not say them on list heh.
Just my not so humble opinion. Lol
-Cary 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Shade
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:33 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

Hello all.  I don't know if anyone can help with this but, here's my
problem.  I'm looking for a mud with a modern day feel that would allow me
to role play if I want.  It would have vehicles that you can actually drive
where you could put in a destination and it would actually take time to
drive there.  I'd like something where you could work and do odd jobs and
interact with people to accomplish those jobs.  And I want something with
something of a different feel to it in a mud.  Its really hard to explain
exactly what it is I want, but I'll know it when I find it.  Godwars Ii is
different in its own way than most other muds out there, and achaea is also
different from most in the feel of it and how it functions.  But, there just
isn't any easy way to find that elusive treasure of a game that really makes
you want to keep coming back for more and grow a character after time.  I
know of miriani, but I'm looking for something a bit more um down to earth? 
I just don't know how to put what i want in to words but I think if you've
had to really search for that game you just like out of the load of games
out there, you'll know kind of what I mean.  Thanks much, Scott 


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Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-19 Thread James Homuth
Finally someone else who sees the light! I've been saying that game 
sucked since it was Star Conquest. The only difference is then, we 
had the significantly better GWSE to run to. No such luck today. Stupid GWSE.
At 03:04 AM 6/19/2007, you wrote:
You want something similar to the Sims Online, only in text form.  Join the
club.  I've been looking for something like that for eons.  If you find
something of the sort, please let me know.
PS Miriani sucks.  It's too easy to stagnate and not go anywhere as far as
points and rank and what not.  I could only stomach so much salvaging and so
much missioning, out of comms is lame as heck, and well I have other things
to say but I shall not say them on list heh.
Just my not so humble opinion. Lol
-Cary

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Shade
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:33 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

Hello all.  I don't know if anyone can help with this but, here's my
problem.  I'm looking for a mud with a modern day feel that would allow me
to role play if I want.  It would have vehicles that you can actually drive
where you could put in a destination and it would actually take time to
drive there.  I'd like something where you could work and do odd jobs and
interact with people to accomplish those jobs.  And I want something with
something of a different feel to it in a mud.  Its really hard to explain
exactly what it is I want, but I'll know it when I find it.  Godwars Ii is
different in its own way than most other muds out there, and achaea is also
different from most in the feel of it and how it functions.  But, there just
isn't any easy way to find that elusive treasure of a game that really makes
you want to keep coming back for more and grow a character after time.  I
know of miriani, but I'm looking for something a bit more um down to earth?
I just don't know how to put what i want in to words but I think if you've
had to really search for that game you just like out of the load of games
out there, you'll know kind of what I mean.  Thanks much, Scott


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Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-19 Thread Zachary Kline
Indeed, GWSE was great.  I really did appreciate it...  Too bad it's gone, 
for the foreseeable future anyway.  Bah.
Speaking of games with different feel to them, I have recently stumbled 
on a mud which has a rather unique approach to characters, at least. 
Namely, they pregenerate them with backgrounds, relationships, skills, etc. 
You RP them and put your own spin on them.  I don't know how appealing this 
might be to anyone: it is awful different.
Thanks,
Zack.

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From: James Homuth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated


 Finally someone else who sees the light! I've been saying that game
 sucked since it was Star Conquest. The only difference is then, we
 had the significantly better GWSE to run to. No such luck today. Stupid 
 GWSE.
 At 03:04 AM 6/19/2007, you wrote:
You want something similar to the Sims Online, only in text form.  Join 
the
club.  I've been looking for something like that for eons.  If you find
something of the sort, please let me know.
PS Miriani sucks.  It's too easy to stagnate and not go anywhere as far as
points and rank and what not.  I could only stomach so much salvaging and 
so
much missioning, out of comms is lame as heck, and well I have other 
things
to say but I shall not say them on list heh.
Just my not so humble opinion. Lol
-Cary

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Shade
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:33 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

Hello all.  I don't know if anyone can help with this but, here's my
problem.  I'm looking for a mud with a modern day feel that would allow me
to role play if I want.  It would have vehicles that you can actually 
drive
where you could put in a destination and it would actually take time to
drive there.  I'd like something where you could work and do odd jobs and
interact with people to accomplish those jobs.  And I want something with
something of a different feel to it in a mud.  Its really hard to explain
exactly what it is I want, but I'll know it when I find it.  Godwars Ii is
different in its own way than most other muds out there, and achaea is 
also
different from most in the feel of it and how it functions.  But, there 
just
isn't any easy way to find that elusive treasure of a game that really 
makes
you want to keep coming back for more and grow a character after time.  I
know of miriani, but I'm looking for something a bit more um down to 
earth?
I just don't know how to put what i want in to words but I think if you've
had to really search for that game you just like out of the load of games
out there, you'll know kind of what I mean.  Thanks much, Scott


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Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-19 Thread ian and riggs
tell us more about it mate i would like to here about this mud.
- Original Message - 
From: Zachary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated


 Indeed, GWSE was great.  I really did appreciate it...  Too bad it's gone,
 for the foreseeable future anyway.  Bah.
Speaking of games with different feel to them, I have recently stumbled
 on a mud which has a rather unique approach to characters, at least.
 Namely, they pregenerate them with backgrounds, relationships, skills, 
 etc.
 You RP them and put your own spin on them.  I don't know how appealing 
 this
 might be to anyone: it is awful different.
 Thanks,
 Zack.

 - Original Message - 
 From: James Homuth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated


 Finally someone else who sees the light! I've been saying that game
 sucked since it was Star Conquest. The only difference is then, we
 had the significantly better GWSE to run to. No such luck today. Stupid
 GWSE.
 At 03:04 AM 6/19/2007, you wrote:
You want something similar to the Sims Online, only in text form.  Join
the
club.  I've been looking for something like that for eons.  If you find
something of the sort, please let me know.
PS Miriani sucks.  It's too easy to stagnate and not go anywhere as far 
as
points and rank and what not.  I could only stomach so much salvaging and
so
much missioning, out of comms is lame as heck, and well I have other
things
to say but I shall not say them on list heh.
Just my not so humble opinion. Lol
-Cary

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Shade
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:33 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

Hello all.  I don't know if anyone can help with this but, here's my
problem.  I'm looking for a mud with a modern day feel that would allow 
me
to role play if I want.  It would have vehicles that you can actually
drive
where you could put in a destination and it would actually take time to
drive there.  I'd like something where you could work and do odd jobs and
interact with people to accomplish those jobs.  And I want something with
something of a different feel to it in a mud.  Its really hard to explain
exactly what it is I want, but I'll know it when I find it.  Godwars Ii 
is
different in its own way than most other muds out there, and achaea is
also
different from most in the feel of it and how it functions.  But, there
just
isn't any easy way to find that elusive treasure of a game that really
makes
you want to keep coming back for more and grow a character after time.  I
know of miriani, but I'm looking for something a bit more um down to
earth?
I just don't know how to put what i want in to words but I think if 
you've
had to really search for that game you just like out of the load of games
out there, you'll know kind of what I mean.  Thanks much, Scott


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Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-19 Thread Scott Shade
Its one of those that if you've got a group of friends to work with and 
you like to get in to a rp setting all the time, then its not bad, but, 
I know what you mean.

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Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-19 Thread djc
Take a look at Miriani from
http://www.toastsoft.com
and that will do what you want.


*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

On 6/18/2007 at 5:32 PM Scott Shade wrote:

Hello all.  I don't know if anyone can help with this but, here's my 
problem.  I'm looking for a mud with a modern day feel that would allow me

to role play if I want.  It would have vehicles that you can actually
drive 
where you could put in a destination and it would actually take time to 
drive there.  I'd like something where you could work and do odd jobs and 
interact with people to accomplish those jobs.  And I want something with 
something of a different feel to it in a mud.  Its really hard to explain 
exactly what it is I want, but I'll know it when I find it.  Godwars Ii is

different in its own way than most other muds out there, and achaea is
also 
different from most in the feel of it and how it functions.  But, there
just 
isn't any easy way to find that elusive treasure of a game that really
makes 
you want to keep coming back for more and grow a character after time.  I 
know of miriani, but I'm looking for something a bit more um down to
earth? 
I just don't know how to put what i want in to words but I think if you've

had to really search for that game you just like out of the load of games 
out there, you'll know kind of what I mean.  Thanks much,
Scott 


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Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-19 Thread Cary
Miriani is not a modern day mud it's scifi. Crummy scifi, but scifi
nonetheless.  Miriani sucks because basically the only things to do to get
points are salvage until your ears bleed from listening to salvaging
messages over and over and over ad nauseum, or do combat missions. Both
things get very very boring after awhile.  Not to mention other things which
I will not say on list because they aren't very nice so I will keep those
comments to myself lol
Miriani is definitely not what you want unless you want a mud with a scifi
feel where you do two things over and over and over to get points.  No room
for advancement, unless you call out of comms something to work for, but
unlike star conquest, out of comms on miriani, at least the last time I
played it, was not profitable at all.  I haven't played it in months, so to
be fair to the... Er, staff of miriani, things could have changed, but I
highly doubt they have.
I've said too much already.  I'll step off my proverbial soap box now and
return you to your regularly scheduled gaming.
-Cary

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Behalf Of djc
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:02 AM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

Take a look at Miriani from
http://www.toastsoft.com
and that will do what you want.


*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

On 6/18/2007 at 5:32 PM Scott Shade wrote:

Hello all.  I don't know if anyone can help with this but, here's my 
problem.  I'm looking for a mud with a modern day feel that would allow 
me

to role play if I want.  It would have vehicles that you can actually 
drive where you could put in a destination and it would actually take 
time to drive there.  I'd like something where you could work and do 
odd jobs and interact with people to accomplish those jobs.  And I want 
something with something of a different feel to it in a mud.  Its 
really hard to explain exactly what it is I want, but I'll know it when 
I find it.  Godwars Ii is

different in its own way than most other muds out there, and achaea is 
also different from most in the feel of it and how it functions.  But, 
there just isn't any easy way to find that elusive treasure of a game 
that really makes you want to keep coming back for more and grow a 
character after time.  I know of miriani, but I'm looking for something 
a bit more um down to earth?
I just don't know how to put what i want in to words but I think if 
you've

had to really search for that game you just like out of the load of 
games out there, you'll know kind of what I mean.  Thanks much, Scott


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Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-19 Thread Zachary Kline
Howdy,
The game I'm refering to is Firan MUX.  I wouldn't be surprised if you 
had heard of or played it, considering how popular it seems to be.
Yours,
Zack.

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From: James Homuth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated


 That all depends on the specifics. Fire the name at me and I'll bet
 I've heard of it, if I haven't played it already.
 At 04:03 AM 6/19/2007, you wrote:
Indeed, GWSE was great.  I really did appreciate it...  Too bad it's gone,
for the foreseeable future anyway.  Bah.
 Speaking of games with different feel to them, I have recently 
 stumbled
on a mud which has a rather unique approach to characters, at least.
Namely, they pregenerate them with backgrounds, relationships, skills, 
etc.
You RP them and put your own spin on them.  I don't know how appealing 
this
might be to anyone: it is awful different.
Thanks,
Zack.

- Original Message -
From: James Homuth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated


  Finally someone else who sees the light! I've been saying that game
  sucked since it was Star Conquest. The only difference is then, we
  had the significantly better GWSE to run to. No such luck today. Stupid
  GWSE.
  At 03:04 AM 6/19/2007, you wrote:
 You want something similar to the Sims Online, only in text form.  Join
 the
 club.  I've been looking for something like that for eons.  If you find
 something of the sort, please let me know.
 PS Miriani sucks.  It's too easy to stagnate and not go anywhere as far 
 as
 points and rank and what not.  I could only stomach so much salvaging 
 and
 so
 much missioning, out of comms is lame as heck, and well I have other
 things
 to say but I shall not say them on list heh.
 Just my not so humble opinion. Lol
 -Cary
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On
 Behalf Of Scott Shade
 Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:33 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated
 
 Hello all.  I don't know if anyone can help with this but, here's my
 problem.  I'm looking for a mud with a modern day feel that would allow 
 me
 to role play if I want.  It would have vehicles that you can actually
 drive
 where you could put in a destination and it would actually take time to
 drive there.  I'd like something where you could work and do odd jobs 
 and
 interact with people to accomplish those jobs.  And I want something 
 with
 something of a different feel to it in a mud.  Its really hard to 
 explain
 exactly what it is I want, but I'll know it when I find it.  Godwars Ii 
 is
 different in its own way than most other muds out there, and achaea is
 also
 different from most in the feel of it and how it functions.  But, there
 just
 isn't any easy way to find that elusive treasure of a game that really
 makes
 you want to keep coming back for more and grow a character after time. 
 I
 know of miriani, but I'm looking for something a bit more um down to
 earth?
 I just don't know how to put what i want in to words but I think if 
 you've
 had to really search for that game you just like out of the load of 
 games
 out there, you'll know kind of what I mean.  Thanks much, Scott
 
 
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Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-19 Thread Ka Yat Li
Hi:

Actually there are plenty of other things to do like go fishing, swim, do 
atmosphere debris salvageing, decorate your ship and yourself, get 
asteroids, and other stuff that I can't think of or even know about.
- Original Message - 
From: Cary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated


 Miriani is not a modern day mud it's scifi. Crummy scifi, but scifi
 nonetheless.  Miriani sucks because basically the only things to do to get
 points are salvage until your ears bleed from listening to salvaging
 messages over and over and over ad nauseum, or do combat missions. Both
 things get very very boring after awhile.  Not to mention other things 
 which
 I will not say on list because they aren't very nice so I will keep those
 comments to myself lol
 Miriani is definitely not what you want unless you want a mud with a scifi
 feel where you do two things over and over and over to get points.  No 
 room
 for advancement, unless you call out of comms something to work for, but
 unlike star conquest, out of comms on miriani, at least the last time I
 played it, was not profitable at all.  I haven't played it in months, so 
 to
 be fair to the... Er, staff of miriani, things could have changed, but I
 highly doubt they have.
 I've said too much already.  I'll step off my proverbial soap box now and
 return you to your regularly scheduled gaming.
 -Cary

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of djc
 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:02 AM
 To: gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

 Take a look at Miriani from
 http://www.toastsoft.com
 and that will do what you want.


 *** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

 On 6/18/2007 at 5:32 PM Scott Shade wrote:

Hello all.  I don't know if anyone can help with this but, here's my
problem.  I'm looking for a mud with a modern day feel that would allow
me

to role play if I want.  It would have vehicles that you can actually
drive where you could put in a destination and it would actually take
time to drive there.  I'd like something where you could work and do
odd jobs and interact with people to accomplish those jobs.  And I want
something with something of a different feel to it in a mud.  Its
really hard to explain exactly what it is I want, but I'll know it when
I find it.  Godwars Ii is

different in its own way than most other muds out there, and achaea is
also different from most in the feel of it and how it functions.  But,
there just isn't any easy way to find that elusive treasure of a game
that really makes you want to keep coming back for more and grow a
character after time.  I know of miriani, but I'm looking for something
a bit more um down to earth?
I just don't know how to put what i want in to words but I think if
you've

had to really search for that game you just like out of the load of
games out there, you'll know kind of what I mean.  Thanks much, Scott


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Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-19 Thread James Homuth
Yep, heard of it. Avoided it. You're forced to play something the 
staff hands you... there's nothing random about it at all. Which 
makes me feel scripted.
At 01:36 PM 6/19/2007, you wrote:
Howdy,
 The game I'm refering to is Firan MUX.  I wouldn't be surprised if you
had heard of or played it, considering how popular it seems to be.
Yours,
Zack.

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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated


  That all depends on the specifics. Fire the name at me and I'll bet
  I've heard of it, if I haven't played it already.
  At 04:03 AM 6/19/2007, you wrote:
 Indeed, GWSE was great.  I really did appreciate it...  Too bad it's gone,
 for the foreseeable future anyway.  Bah.
  Speaking of games with different feel to them, I have recently
  stumbled
 on a mud which has a rather unique approach to characters, at least.
 Namely, they pregenerate them with backgrounds, relationships, skills,
 etc.
 You RP them and put your own spin on them.  I don't know how appealing
 this
 might be to anyone: it is awful different.
 Thanks,
 Zack.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: James Homuth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated
 
 
   Finally someone else who sees the light! I've been saying that game
   sucked since it was Star Conquest. The only difference is then, we
   had the significantly better GWSE to run to. No such luck today. Stupid
   GWSE.
   At 03:04 AM 6/19/2007, you wrote:
  You want something similar to the Sims Online, only in text form.  Join
  the
  club.  I've been looking for something like that for eons.  If you find
  something of the sort, please let me know.
  PS Miriani sucks.  It's too easy to stagnate and not go anywhere as far
  as
  points and rank and what not.  I could only stomach so much salvaging
  and
  so
  much missioning, out of comms is lame as heck, and well I have other
  things
  to say but I shall not say them on list heh.
  Just my not so humble opinion. Lol
  -Cary
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On
  Behalf Of Scott Shade
  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:33 PM
  To: Gamers Discussion list
  Subject: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated
  
  Hello all.  I don't know if anyone can help with this but, here's my
  problem.  I'm looking for a mud with a modern day feel that would allow
  me
  to role play if I want.  It would have vehicles that you can actually
  drive
  where you could put in a destination and it would actually take time to
  drive there.  I'd like something where you could work and do odd jobs
  and
  interact with people to accomplish those jobs.  And I want something
  with
  something of a different feel to it in a mud.  Its really hard to
  explain
  exactly what it is I want, but I'll know it when I find it.  Godwars Ii
  is
  different in its own way than most other muds out there, and achaea is
  also
  different from most in the feel of it and how it functions.  But, there
  just
  isn't any easy way to find that elusive treasure of a game that really
  makes
  you want to keep coming back for more and grow a character after time.
  I
  know of miriani, but I'm looking for something a bit more um down to
  earth?
  I just don't know how to put what i want in to words but I think if
  you've
  had to really search for that game you just like out of the load of
  games
  out there, you'll know kind of what I mean.  Thanks much, Scott
  
  
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Re: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated

2007-06-18 Thread ian and riggs
yes i would like a game like that
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From: Scott Shade [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:32 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] I'm getting frustrated


 Hello all.  I don't know if anyone can help with this but, here's my
 problem.  I'm looking for a mud with a modern day feel that would allow me
 to role play if I want.  It would have vehicles that you can actually 
 drive
 where you could put in a destination and it would actually take time to
 drive there.  I'd like something where you could work and do odd jobs and
 interact with people to accomplish those jobs.  And I want something with
 something of a different feel to it in a mud.  Its really hard to explain
 exactly what it is I want, but I'll know it when I find it.  Godwars Ii is
 different in its own way than most other muds out there, and achaea is 
 also
 different from most in the feel of it and how it functions.  But, there 
 just
 isn't any easy way to find that elusive treasure of a game that really 
 makes
 you want to keep coming back for more and grow a character after time.  I
 know of miriani, but I'm looking for something a bit more um down to 
 earth?
 I just don't know how to put what i want in to words but I think if you've
 had to really search for that game you just like out of the load of games
 out there, you'll know kind of what I mean.  Thanks much,
 Scott


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