[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
What? So, your work for the *Palm Beach Post*? LOL!!! On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Art Wroble wrote: > I don't ever want to be accused of defending the Herald, but Ben Volin > works for the *Palm Beach Post* > > Art Wroble > > > > -- > *From:* "dbadr...@gmail.com" > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:24:44 AM > *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? > > More power to the thinking that the Miami newspaper people just want to use > and abuse the power of Gators related news but at the same time tend to the > needs of scUM by teasing and slant language. I am going to start replying > with all these observations and encourage everybody else to do the same!!! > What a bunch of a$$es they have down there!!! > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Sandy Alonso wrote: > >> Two things that bother me about this whole situation, one being Ben >> Volin of the Miami Herald who is reporting all kinds of supposition as fact. >> He has stated several times that Tebow was out for over 2 minutes, this has >> not been confirmed by anyone. He also has reported that Tebow answered >> every question on the sideline "I don't remember", I have watch the TV >> broadcast several times and while I am not an expert lip reader, I don't see >> him saying that at all. >> >> >> You know, I didn't save the game, so I can't replay it and see if I just >> wasn't paying attention each time they focused on TT, but I don't recall him >> responding that way. I do have a little bit of hearing damage in one of my >> ears and because of that, I'm a pretty decent lip reader. I saw Tebow say, >> "How's that?" at least two, maybe three times to questions posed at him by >> people coming up to him while he was seated after the concussion - but never >> "I don't remember." Maybe this happened when the trainers and Dr. Pete were >> still closely huddled next to him and evaluating him? >> >> Sandy >> "The Baltimore Gator" >> >> >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- <><><><>
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Minor detail! Did they give up when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Art Wroble Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:31:29 To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? I don't ever want to be accused of defending the Herald, but Ben Volin works for the Palm Beach Post Art Wroble From: "dbadr...@gmail.com" To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:24:44 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? More power to the thinking that the Miami newspaper people just want to use and abuse the power of Gators related news but at the same time tend to the needs of scUM by teasing and slant language. I am going to start replying with all these observations and encourage everybody else to do the same!!! What a bunch of a$$es they have down there!!! On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Sandy Alonso wrote: Two things that bother me about this whole situation, one being Ben Volin of the Miami Herald who is reporting all kinds of supposition as fact. He has stated several times that Tebow was out for over 2 minutes, this has not been confirmed by anyone. He also has reported that Tebow answered every question on the sideline "I don't remember", I have watch the TV broadcast several times and while I am not an expert lip reader, I don't see him saying that at all. > >>You know, I didn't save the game, so I can't replay it and see if I just >>wasn't paying attention each time they focused on TT, but I don't recall him >>responding that way. I do have a little bit of hearing damage in one of my >>ears and because of that, I'm a pretty decent lip reader. I saw Tebow say, >>"How's that?" at least two, maybe three times to questions posed at him by >>people coming up to him while he was seated after the concussion - but never >>"I don't remember." Maybe this happened when the trainers and Dr. Pete were >>still closely huddled next to him and evaluating him? >> >>Sandy >>"The Baltimore Gator" > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
I don't ever want to be accused of defending the Herald, but Ben Volin works for the Palm Beach Post Art Wroble From: "dbadr...@gmail.com" To: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:24:44 AMSubject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?More power to the thinking that the Miami newspaper people just want to use and abuse the power of Gators related news but at the same time tend to the needs of scUM by teasing and slant language. I am going to start replying with all these observations and encourage everybody else to do the same!!! What a bunch of a$$es they have down there!!! On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Sandy Alonso <wyzbu...@comcast.net> wrote: Two things that bother me about this whole situation, one being Ben Volin of the Miami Herald who is reporting all kinds of supposition as fact. He has stated several times that Tebow was out for over 2 minutes, this has not been confirmed by anyone. He also has reported that Tebow answered every question on the sideline "I don't remember", I have watch the TV broadcast several times and while I am not an expert lip reader, I don't see him saying that at all. You know, I didn't save the game, so I can't replay it and see if I just wasn't paying attention each time they focused on TT, but I don't recall him responding that way. I do have a little bit of hearing damage in one of my ears and because of that, I'm a pretty decent lip reader. I saw Tebow say, "How's that?" at least two, maybe three times to questions posed at him by people coming up to him while he was seated after the concussion - but never "I don't remember." Maybe this happened when the trainers and Dr. Pete were still closely huddled next to him and evaluating him? Sandy "The Baltimore Gator"
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
We all have to be known for something! ;) Randy Platt aka "PCGator" aka "The Armchair Quarterback" aka "The Other Randy" Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lucas Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:11 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? LOL, yes... I did mean it in jest... and it would be a nice one to add to our list. I know better than to pick a fight with Zeb! Good to see I have secured my GatorTalk legacy... crapcakes! --- On Wed, 9/30/09, dbadr...@gmail.com wrote: From: dbadr...@gmail.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 12:06 PM >>Do you work for the Miami Herald? What a GREAT insult phrase that we can use in the future. AndI am not suggesting Scot insulted here...OK? I am just saying it is a great phrase for us to use!! :-) On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Scott Lucas http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=floridagat...@yahoo.com> > wrote: Do you work for the Miami Herald? I have not seen that he has been vomitting or been disoriented since he left the field... Headache, yeah... I have one now too but I didn't get it from playing football. And there are cognitive and physical tests they can put him through to measure his abilities. Some of the articles have mentioned them. Balance on a half sphere is one that can easily show his orientation. I would wager that a prolific athlete like TT would be able to do that with no problem at all, but if he had an issue with a concussion and balance, it would certainly show up. He also could not fake that... This is but one example of the kinds of real, physical and mental tests they can put him through that he can't just say "i'm fine"... --- On Wed, 9/30/09, John Vega http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zebu...@gate.net> > wrote: From: John Vega http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zebu...@gate.net> > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com <http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gatort...@googlegroups.com> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 11:33 AM On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:23 AM, oli...@bobparks.com <http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=oli...@bobparks.com> wrote: I'm not trying to start a fight with you, John, but the doctors and coaches are doing the right thing. They don't consult with sportswriters or Monday morning quarterbacks. That's why they're in the position they're in. You have more faith in the UF physicians than me. Their paychecks are still signed by UF, not the players or their parents. I'm not implying that they should consult with sportswriters or fans. Ask a few neurologists if their son was playing high school football and had at least a grade 2 concussion, disorientation, vomiting and persistent headaches for three days afterwards, how long would they hold their son out of contact. I would wager that your answers will range from 4 to 6 weeks. -Zeb
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
HAHA... definitely. It reminds me of "What, are you smokin' crack?" Who was
the comedian at Growl in about 1995 who used that phrase repeatedly in his
routine? I was there (and NOT smokin' crack) but cannot remember who it was.
Having a @#)*#@)$& Senior Moment,
Cee
- Original Message -
From: dbadr...@gmail.com
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:06 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
>>Do you work for the Miami Herald?
What a GREAT insult phrase that we can use in the future. AndI am not
suggesting Scot insulted here...OK? I am just saying it is a great phrase for
us to use!!
:-)
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Scott Lucas wrote:
Do you work for the Miami Herald? I have not seen that he has been
vomitting or been disoriented since he left the field... Headache, yeah... I
have one now too but I didn't get it from playing football.
And there are cognitive and physical tests they can put him through
to measure his abilities. Some of the articles have mentioned them. Balance
on a half sphere is one that can easily show his orientation. I would wager
that a prolific athlete like TT would be able to do that with no problem at
all, but if he had an issue with a concussion and balance, it would certainly
show up. He also could not fake that... This is but one example of the kinds
of real, physical and mental tests they can put him through that he can't just
say "i'm fine"...
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, John Vega wrote:
From: John Vega
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him
rest?
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 11:33 AM
On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:23 AM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote:
I'm not trying to start a fight with you, John, but the doctors
and coaches are doing the right thing. They don't consult with sportswriters or
Monday morning quarterbacks. That's why they're in the position they're in.
You have more faith in the UF physicians than me. Their paychecks
are still signed by UF, not the players or their parents.
I'm not implying that they should consult with sportswriters or
fans.
Ask a few neurologists if their son was playing high school
football and had at least a grade 2 concussion, disorientation, vomiting and
persistent headaches for three days afterwards, how long would they hold their
son out of contact. I would wager that your answers will range from 4 to 6
weeks.
-Zeb
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GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
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2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions |
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Remember when it was the Orlando Sentinel and Larry Guest (Pest) we were trashing on Gatortalk? Now it's the Herald. The Sentinel is still pretty bad as far as covering Gators is concerned, but they're better than the Herald. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dbadr...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:07 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? >>Do you work for the Miami Herald? What a GREAT insult phrase that we can use in the future. AndI am not suggesting Scot insulted here...OK? I am just saying it is a great phrase for us to use!! :-) On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Scott Lucas wrote: Do you work for the Miami Herald? I have not seen that he has been vomitting or been disoriented since he left the field... Headache, yeah... I have one now too but I didn't get it from playing football. And there are cognitive and physical tests they can put him through to measure his abilities. Some of the articles have mentioned them. Balance on a half sphere is one that can easily show his orientation. I would wager that a prolific athlete like TT would be able to do that with no problem at all, but if he had an issue with a concussion and balance, it would certainly show up. He also could not fake that... This is but one example of the kinds of real, physical and mental tests they can put him through that he can't just say "i'm fine"... --- On Wed, 9/30/09, John Vega wrote: From: John Vega Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 11:33 AM On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:23 AM, oli...@bobparks.com <http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=oli...@bobparks.com> wrote: I'm not trying to start a fight with you, John, but the doctors and coaches are doing the right thing. They don't consult with sportswriters or Monday morning quarterbacks. That's why they're in the position they're in. You have more faith in the UF physicians than me. Their paychecks are still signed by UF, not the players or their parents. I'm not implying that they should consult with sportswriters or fans. Ask a few neurologists if their son was playing high school football and had at least a grade 2 concussion, disorientation, vomiting and persistent headaches for three days afterwards, how long would they hold their son out of contact. I would wager that your answers will range from 4 to 6 weeks. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Kind of like those road side sobriety tests. And the time I almost blurted out "I can't do this when I sober" Original Message ----Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?From: oli...@bobparks.comDate: Wed, September 30, 2009 11:23 amTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comWell, I'm no doctor like you, I only know what I read. Meyer himself did a test with Tebow where he had to stand on one foot with his eyes closed. Is that "how do you feel?"And, that was only one test. You might make Tebow sit out against LSU. You may have pulled a Heisman candidate in the 3rd quarter of an away SEC game, but the man who is paid millions to make the right decision left him in the game. I'll mention your name to Jeremy Foley next time he calls, but I sorta think he'll stay with Meyer. I'm kinda happy about that. I'm not trying to start a fight with you, John, but the doctors and coaches are doing the right thing. They don't consult with sportswriters or Monday morning quarterbacks. That's why they're in the position they're in. If they say Tebow's good to go next Saturday, I have complete condidence he is. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: John Vega Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:08:27 -0400To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? On Sep 29, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Oliver Barry wrote: That’s exactly what Meyer is doing. Nor are the doctors leaving it up to Tebow to tell them he’s ok. There are specific tests that can easily determine if he has recovered sufficiently to play in 2 weeks. I disagree with this. Other than MR Spectroscopy (which is hardly an exact science) there is nothing about a concussion that a CT or MR will be able to show you other than an intracranial bleed, which has already been ruled out. The other tests are along the lines of "How do you feel?" "Have you experienced any headaches?" and "Do you feel drowsy?" They are not very exact procedures, are capable of being shaded by person answering, and there is a lot of concurrent causation of the symptoms (including the flu, which we know that TT has), leading to unclear decisions. BTW, was anyone as mad as I was TT sat in the cart in the tunnel for a good 10 minutes or more waiting on the ambulance? If he had had an intracranial bleed, that time could have meant the difference between life and death. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Unfortunately the Gator football team has had a lot more experience with concussions this year than any others I can remember. I think one of the Offensive linemen had one (Patchan maybe?) and one of the safeties - early in the season (before the first game). then Tebow and I read that one of the DBs, I think a corner back? Not sure how many others Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?From: Helen Huntley Date: Wed, September 30, 2009 11:20 amTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comI was interested in the stories today about the balance testing and such that they were doing with Tebow (and apparently with Meyer because he was interested). I was also impressed that UF has baseline testing for all the football players so they would be able to compare pre-injury and post-injury test results. It seems that that at least provides some objective measurement. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM, John Vega <zebu...@gate.net> wrote: On Sep 29, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Oliver Barry wrote: That’s exactly what Meyer is doing. Nor are the doctors leaving it up to Tebow to tell them he’s ok. There are specific tests that can easily determine if he has recovered sufficiently to play in 2 weeks. I disagree with this. Other than MR Spectroscopy (which is hardly an exact science) there is nothing about a concussion that a CT or MR will be able to show you other than an intracranial bleed, which has already been ruled out. The other tests are along the lines of "How do you feel?" "Have you experienced any headaches?" and "Do you feel drowsy?" They are not very exact procedures, are capable of being shaded by person answering, and there is a lot of concurrent causation of the symptoms (including the flu, which we know that TT has), leading to unclear decisions. BTW, was anyone as mad as I was TT sat in the cart in the tunnel for a good 10 minutes or more waiting on the ambulance? If he had had an intracranial bleed, that time could have meant the difference between life and death. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
LOL, yes... I did mean it in jest... and it would be a nice one to add to our list. I know better than to pick a fight with Zeb! Good to see I have secured my GatorTalk legacy... crapcakes! --- On Wed, 9/30/09, dbadr...@gmail.com wrote: From: dbadr...@gmail.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 12:06 PM >>Do you work for the Miami Herald? What a GREAT insult phrase that we can use in the future. AndI am not suggesting Scot insulted here...OK? I am just saying it is a great phrase for us to use!! :-) On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Scott Lucas wrote: Do you work for the Miami Herald? I have not seen that he has been vomitting or been disoriented since he left the field... Headache, yeah... I have one now too but I didn't get it from playing football. And there are cognitive and physical tests they can put him through to measure his abilities. Some of the articles have mentioned them. Balance on a half sphere is one that can easily show his orientation. I would wager that a prolific athlete like TT would be able to do that with no problem at all, but if he had an issue with a concussion and balance, it would certainly show up. He also could not fake that... This is but one example of the kinds of real, physical and mental tests they can put him through that he can't just say "i'm fine"... --- On Wed, 9/30/09, John Vega wrote: From: John Vega Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 11:33 AM On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:23 AM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote: I'm not trying to start a fight with you, John, but the doctors and coaches are doing the right thing. They don't consult with sportswriters or Monday morning quarterbacks. That's why they're in the position they're in. You have more faith in the UF physicians than me. Their paychecks are still signed by UF, not the players or their parents. I'm not implying that they should consult with sportswriters or fans. Ask a few neurologists if their son was playing high school football and had at least a grade 2 concussion, disorientation, vomiting and persistent headaches for three days afterwards, how long would they hold their son out of contact. I would wager that your answers will range from 4 to 6 weeks. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
>>Do you work for the Miami Herald? What a GREAT *insult* phrase that we can use in the future. AndI am not suggesting Scot insulted here...OK? I am just saying it is a great phrase for us to use!! *:-)* On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Scott Lucas wrote: > Do you work for the Miami Herald? I have not seen that he has been > vomitting or been disoriented since he left the field... Headache, yeah... > I have one now too but I didn't get it from playing football. > > And there are cognitive and physical tests they can put him through to > measure his abilities. Some of the articles have mentioned them. Balance > on a half sphere is one that can easily show his orientation. I would wager > that a prolific athlete like TT would be able to do that with no problem at > all, but if he had an issue with a concussion and balance, it would > certainly show up. He also could not fake that... This is but one example > of the kinds of real, physical and mental tests they can put him through > that he can't just say "i'm fine"... > > > > --- On *Wed, 9/30/09, John Vega * wrote: > > > From: John Vega > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 11:33 AM > > > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:23 AM, > oli...@bobparks.com<http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=oli...@bobparks.com>wrote: > > I'm not trying to start a fight with you, John, but the doctors and coaches > are doing the right thing. They don't consult with sportswriters or Monday > morning quarterbacks. That's why they're in the position they're in. > > > You have more faith in the UF physicians than me. Their paychecks are still > signed by UF, not the players or their parents. > > I'm not implying that they should consult with sportswriters or fans. > > Ask a few neurologists if their son was playing high school football and > had at least a grade 2 concussion, disorientation, vomiting and persistent > headaches for three days afterwards, how long would they hold their son out > of contact. I would wager that your answers will range from 4 to 6 weeks. > > -Zeb > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Do you work for the Miami Herald? I have not seen that he has been vomitting or been disoriented since he left the field... Headache, yeah... I have one now too but I didn't get it from playing football. And there are cognitive and physical tests they can put him through to measure his abilities. Some of the articles have mentioned them. Balance on a half sphere is one that can easily show his orientation. I would wager that a prolific athlete like TT would be able to do that with no problem at all, but if he had an issue with a concussion and balance, it would certainly show up. He also could not fake that... This is but one example of the kinds of real, physical and mental tests they can put him through that he can't just say "i'm fine"... --- On Wed, 9/30/09, John Vega wrote: From: John Vega Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 11:33 AM On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:23 AM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote: I'm not trying to start a fight with you, John, but the doctors and coaches are doing the right thing. They don't consult with sportswriters or Monday morning quarterbacks. That's why they're in the position they're in. You have more faith in the UF physicians than me. Their paychecks are still signed by UF, not the players or their parents. I'm not implying that they should consult with sportswriters or fans. Ask a few neurologists if their son was playing high school football and had at least a grade 2 concussion, disorientation, vomiting and persistent headaches for three days afterwards, how long would they hold their son out of contact. I would wager that your answers will range from 4 to 6 weeks. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
> You have more faith in the UF physicians than me. Their paychecks are > still signed by UF, not the players or their parents. Actually they are not. > > Ask a few neurologists if their son was playing high school football > and had at least a grade 2 concussion, disorientation, vomiting and > persistent headaches for three days afterwards, how long would they > hold their son out of contact. I would wager that your answers will > range from 4 to 6 weeks. Probably significantly less than 4-6 weeks. GoGators!!! Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:23 AM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote: > I'm not trying to start a fight with you, John, but the doctors and > coaches are doing the right thing. They don't consult with > sportswriters or Monday morning quarterbacks. That's why they're in > the position they're in. You have more faith in the UF physicians than me. Their paychecks are still signed by UF, not the players or their parents. I'm not implying that they should consult with sportswriters or fans. Ask a few neurologists if their son was playing high school football and had at least a grade 2 concussion, disorientation, vomiting and persistent headaches for three days afterwards, how long would they hold their son out of contact. I would wager that your answers will range from 4 to 6 weeks. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Well, I'm no doctor like you, I only know what I read. Meyer himself did a test with Tebow where he had to stand on one foot with his eyes closed. Is that "how do you feel?" And, that was only one test. You might make Tebow sit out against LSU. You may have pulled a Heisman candidate in the 3rd quarter of an away SEC game, but the man who is paid millions to make the right decision left him in the game. I'll mention your name to Jeremy Foley next time he calls, but I sorta think he'll stay with Meyer. I'm kinda happy about that. I'm not trying to start a fight with you, John, but the doctors and coaches are doing the right thing. They don't consult with sportswriters or Monday morning quarterbacks. That's why they're in the position they're in. If they say Tebow's good to go next Saturday, I have complete condidence he is. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: John Vega Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:08:27 To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? On Sep 29, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Oliver Barry wrote: > That’s exactly what Meyer is doing. Nor are the doctors leaving it > up to Tebow to tell them he’s ok. There are specific tests that > can easily determine if he has recovered sufficiently to play in 2 > weeks. I disagree with this. Other than MR Spectroscopy (which is hardly an exact science) there is nothing about a concussion that a CT or MR will be able to show you other than an intracranial bleed, which has already been ruled out. The other tests are along the lines of "How do you feel?" "Have you experienced any headaches?" and "Do you feel drowsy?" They are not very exact procedures, are capable of being shaded by person answering, and there is a lot of concurrent causation of the symptoms (including the flu, which we know that TT has), leading to unclear decisions. BTW, was anyone as mad as I was TT sat in the cart in the tunnel for a good 10 minutes or more waiting on the ambulance? If he had had an intracranial bleed, that time could have meant the difference between life and death. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
I was interested in the stories today about the balance testing and such that they were doing with Tebow (and apparently with Meyer because he was interested). I was also impressed that UF has baseline testing for all the football players so they would be able to compare pre-injury and post-injury test results. It seems that that at least provides some objective measurement. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM, John Vega wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Oliver Barry wrote: > > That’s exactly what Meyer is doing. Nor are the doctors leaving it up to > Tebow to tell them he’s ok. There are specific tests that can easily > determine if he has recovered sufficiently to play in 2 weeks. > > > I disagree with this. Other than MR Spectroscopy (which is hardly an exact > science) there is nothing about a concussion that a CT or MR will be able to > show you other than an intracranial bleed, which has already been ruled out. > > The other tests are along the lines of "How do you feel?" "Have you > experienced any headaches?" and "Do you feel drowsy?" They are not very > exact procedures, are capable of being shaded by person answering, and there > is a lot of concurrent causation of the symptoms (including the flu, which > we know that TT has), leading to unclear decisions. > > BTW, was anyone as mad as I was TT sat in the cart in the tunnel for a good > 10 minutes or more waiting on the ambulance? If he had had an intracranial > bleed, that time could have meant the difference between life and death. > > -Zeb > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
On Sep 29, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Oliver Barry wrote: > That’s exactly what Meyer is doing. Nor are the doctors leaving it > up to Tebow to tell them he’s ok. There are specific tests that > can easily determine if he has recovered sufficiently to play in 2 > weeks. I disagree with this. Other than MR Spectroscopy (which is hardly an exact science) there is nothing about a concussion that a CT or MR will be able to show you other than an intracranial bleed, which has already been ruled out. The other tests are along the lines of "How do you feel?" "Have you experienced any headaches?" and "Do you feel drowsy?" They are not very exact procedures, are capable of being shaded by person answering, and there is a lot of concurrent causation of the symptoms (including the flu, which we know that TT has), leading to unclear decisions. BTW, was anyone as mad as I was TT sat in the cart in the tunnel for a good 10 minutes or more waiting on the ambulance? If he had had an intracranial bleed, that time could have meant the difference between life and death. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
On Sep 29, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: > Two things that bother me about this whole situation, one being Ben > Volin of the Miami Herald who is reporting all kinds of supposition > as fact. He has stated several times that Tebow was out for over 2 > minutes, this has not been confirmed by anyone. He also has > reported that Tebow answered every question on the sideline "I > don't remember", I have watch the TV broadcast several times and > while I am not an expert lip reader, I don't see him saying that at > all. I'm no expert either. The one phrase that I could read clearly occurred on the sideline, about 10 to 15 minutes after the hit. Tebow says something in response to a question that looks like "I don't know" and then clearly said "I don't know where I am" to a trainer. > The other thing is this whole debate over whether he should have > been in the game. If he doesn't get injured are we talking about > this at all? And who has the margin of lead vs. time left in game > chart to show where it is safe to take out your star player? Why > is no one harping on Mack Brown at Texas for leaving Colt McCoy in > the 3rd quarter with a 50-7 lead? Simple, because he didn't get hurt. I would be talking about it, simply because we didn't need TT after the first quarter and we needed to give Brantley more experience. It's the fundamental Hendrix equation. Frankly, at our Gatorviewing party, we were uniformly shocked that Tebow went into the game after halftime. This was before, and independent of, the injury. This is not like baseball, you can pull a player and then put him back in. Give TT an extended halftime rest, and some IV fluids for the flu. If Brantley does well, keep him out of the game. If the unthinkable happens and UK mounts a comeback (against our defense? - but still), we have a rested and recharged TT that we can put back in the game. No clue about Mack Brown. I only have enough room in my head to follow one team, and know it pretty well. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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More power to the thinking that the Miami newspaper people just want to use and abuse the power of Gators related news but at the same time tend to the needs of scUM by teasing and slant language. I am going to start replying with all these observations and encourage everybody else to do the same!!! What a bunch of a$$es they have down there!!! [?][?][?][?] On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Sandy Alonso wrote: > Two things that bother me about this whole situation, one being Ben Volin > of the Miami Herald who is reporting all kinds of supposition as fact. He > has stated several times that Tebow was out for over 2 minutes, this has not > been confirmed by anyone. He also has reported that Tebow answered every > question on the sideline "I don't remember", I have watch the TV broadcast > several times and while I am not an expert lip reader, I don't see him > saying that at all. > > > You know, I didn't save the game, so I can't replay it and see if I just > wasn't paying attention each time they focused on TT, but I don't recall him > responding that way. I do have a little bit of hearing damage in one of my > ears and because of that, I'm a pretty decent lip reader. I saw Tebow say, > "How's that?" at least two, maybe three times to questions posed at him by > people coming up to him while he was seated after the concussion - but never > "I don't remember." Maybe this happened when the trainers and Dr. Pete were > still closely huddled next to him and evaluating him? > > Sandy > "The Baltimore Gator" > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- <><><><>
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Two things that bother me about this whole situation, one being Ben Volin of the Miami Herald who is reporting all kinds of supposition as fact. He has stated several times that Tebow was out for over 2 minutes, this has not been confirmed by anyone. He also has reported that Tebow answered every question on the sideline "I don't remember", I have watch the TV broadcast several times and while I am not an expert lip reader, I don't see him saying that at all. You know, I didn't save the game, so I can't replay it and see if I just wasn't paying attention each time they focused on TT, but I don't recall him responding that way. I do have a little bit of hearing damage in one of my ears and because of that, I'm a pretty decent lip reader. I saw Tebow say, "How's that?" at least two, maybe three times to questions posed at him by people coming up to him while he was seated after the concussion - but never "I don't remember." Maybe this happened when the trainers and Dr. Pete were still closely huddled next to him and evaluating him? Sandy "The Baltimore Gator" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
But thats what they want to avoid. They will probably limit him to very lil contact. And so would I. Assuming he is atleast 85-90% to play.. Yes i would start him. However, he would only manage the game. Play a few series, bring Brantley in to play a few. Interspersed... Bring in Moody or Haden in for some wildgator or basically be Tebow for a few plays. Haden played QB in HS, so he could also pass some as well to throw ppl off. We already know he got some practice in the spring Might as well put to use here and there. Moody is better fit physically than the other RBs to "be Tebow" I believe. Nope. I havent thought about this at all since Saturday. I never obsess about such things. Nope... Not me. Woody On Sep 29, 2009, at 4:47 PM, "dbadr...@gmail.com" wrote: > This is only my guess (or maybe my dream!): > > Brantley will start but Tebow will come in to play like he did with > Chris Leak...only this time, more frequently! > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Oliver Barry > wrote: > As I’ve said before, if I lived in Miami I’d file a class action > lawsuit against the Miami Herald and Ben Volin and Joseph Goodman fo > r lousy reporting about the Gators. I don’t even think Volin was in > Lexington that night. His “facts” are too full of holes. > > > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > > Real Estate Broker > > Bob Parks Realty > > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > > Gallatin TN 37066 > > Phone: 615-826-4040 > > Fax: 615-822-2027 > > Mobile: 615-972-4239 > > > > > > From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] > On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley > > > > > Two things that bother me about this whole situation, one being Ben > Volin of the Miami Herald who is reporting all kinds of supposition > as fact. He has stated several times that Tebow was out for over 2 > minutes, this has not been confirmed by anyone. He also has > reported that Tebow answered every question on the sideline "I don't > remember", I have watch the TV broadcast several times and while I > am not an expert lip reader, I don't see him saying that at all. > > > > Ken K > > MNGator > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
This is only my guess (or maybe my dream!): Brantley will start but Tebow will come in to play like he did with Chris Leak...only this time, more frequently! On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Oliver Barry wrote: > As I’ve said before, if I lived in Miami I’d file a class action lawsuit > against the Miami Herald and Ben Volin and Joseph Goodman for lousy > reporting about the Gators. I don’t even think Volin was in Lexington that > night. His “facts” are too full of holes. > > > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > > Real Estate Broker > > Bob Parks Realty > > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > > Gallatin TN 37066 > > Phone: 615-826-4040 > > Fax: 615-822-2027 > > Mobile: 615-972-4239 > > > > > -- > > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Kirkley > > > > Two things that bother me about this whole situation, one being Ben Volin > of the Miami Herald who is reporting all kinds of supposition as fact. He > has stated several times that Tebow was out for over 2 minutes, this has not > been confirmed by anyone. He also has reported that Tebow answered every > question on the sideline "I don't remember", I have watch the TV broadcast > several times and while I am not an expert lip reader, I don't see him > saying that at all. > > > > *Ken K* > > *MNGator* > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
especially, Superman! :-) On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM, wrote: > Kids that age - don't think about the future. They think they are > indestructible. > > > Original Message ---- > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? > From: ken...@earthlink.net > Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 2:04 pm > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > > Good question. > > Tebow will always choose to play, and I think he feels he has a score to > settle in Baton Rouge. > > I think you simply tell Tim that he has to be totally truthful with the > doctors, that he knows there is much more to life than one football game, > and that his health is much more important. > > Then trust him. > > Go Gators > > Ken B. (NYC Gator) > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed > -- > *From*: > *Date*: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:42:59 -0700 > *To*: gatortalk googlegroups > *Subject*: [gatortalk] Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? > Knowing that Tebow is not going to tell coach Meyer (and perhaps others) > that he is hurt > > Knowing how serious concussions can be and the only "cure" is to rest > > Do you hold Tebow out of the LSU game to make sure his brain recovers or > leave it up to what Tebow is telling doctors? > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
As I've said before, if I lived in Miami I'd file a class action lawsuit against the Miami Herald and Ben Volin and Joseph Goodman for lousy reporting about the Gators. I don't even think Volin was in Lexington that night. His "facts" are too full of holes. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley Two things that bother me about this whole situation, one being Ben Volin of the Miami Herald who is reporting all kinds of supposition as fact. He has stated several times that Tebow was out for over 2 minutes, this has not been confirmed by anyone. He also has reported that Tebow answered every question on the sideline "I don't remember", I have watch the TV broadcast several times and while I am not an expert lip reader, I don't see him saying that at all. Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
That's exactly what Meyer is doing. Nor are the doctors leaving it up to Tebow to tell them he's ok. There are specific tests that can easily determine if he has recovered sufficiently to play in 2 weeks. I'm willing to wager that he'll be ready. Hmm. I wonder what the Vegas line is on Timmy playing against LSU? :-) Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shane Ford Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:01 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? While no one wants to see any one get hurt or suffer any more serious injury... If I were the HBC, I would leave it in the doctors hands. I have to believe, and I think Coach Meyer has said as such, that we want him to play; as long as he's not causing any permanent damage, of course. Am I wrong to view it this way? SHANE GO GATORS! _ From: "ke...@baldwinnc.com" To: gatortalk googlegroups Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:42:59 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? Knowing that Tebow is not going to tell coach Meyer (and perhaps others) that he is hurt Knowing how serious concussions can be and the only "cure" is to rest Do you hold Tebow out of the LSU game to make sure his brain recovers or leave it up to what Tebow is telling doctors? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
The key is there are 25 diagnostic symptoms they are looking for, not just how are you feeling. The medical professionals have been around Tim enough to know if he is his normal self, regardless (or is that irregardless?) of his answers. That combined with observational data on other symptoms will lead a go, no-go decision. I think some of what Dr. Cantu said about distinguishing the symptoms of a concussion from the flu (or upper respitory ailment) are the key. Tim was hit square in the chest, which could have knocked the breath out of him, couple that with getting hit on the back of the head and a mild concussion might appear to be more severe. Only time will tell, but I would bet on Tim playing at LSU. Two things that bother me about this whole situation, one being Ben Volin of the Miami Herald who is reporting all kinds of supposition as fact. He has stated several times that Tebow was out for over 2 minutes, this has not been confirmed by anyone. He also has reported that Tebow answered every question on the sideline "I don't remember", I have watch the TV broadcast several times and while I am not an expert lip reader, I don't see him saying that at all. The other thing is this whole debate over whether he should have been in the game. If he doesn't get injured are we talking about this at all? And who has the margin of lead vs. time left in game chart to show where it is safe to take out your star player? Why is no one harping on Mack Brown at Texas for leaving Colt McCoy in the 3rd quarter with a 50-7 lead? Simple, because he didn't get hurt. The play Tebow got hurt on isn't inherently dangerous to the QB, the QB just needs to make a quick read. He either throws the quick slant or rolls right for a run. Tim held the ball too long on the slant and that allowed him to get hit. It was just a football play with a terrible outcome, but could have happened in the first quarter of the Troy game or the 3rd quarter of Kentucky. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ke...@baldwinnc.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:36 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? Problem is - I am not a medical doctor. I would be very conservative. If it means we lose games - but Tebow recovers more fully - I have no problem with that. Tebow is too special of a person to rush back into football and risk problems later on. What I would do is to get at least two or three expert doctors opinions. And probably go with the most conservative opinion. Have his family involved in the decision. I guess my point is - take the decision away from Tim himself. I am afraid Tim would rush things. If you consult 3 doctors that are experts on sports concussions and they all three agree that Tim can play at LSU - and Tim wants to - then I'd let him play. But if one doctor out of the three suggests holding him out - I would probably hold him out. ---- Original Message ---- Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? From: Steve McKibben Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 2:26 pm To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com So what do you suggest? Not trying to give you a hard time, but how do you think it should be handled? If you don't believe him when he says he's OK and he always says that, do you just retire his jersey right now? Do you make him answer all questions with his hand on a bible? Do you ask the medical staff what their opinion is? Or is there some other way that hasn't occurred to me yet? --- On Tue, 9/29/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: We know that tebow keeps telling Meyer he is okay and we find out there were major injuries later. How do you know if Tebow is being 100% truthful with doctors and not just telling them what they want to hear? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
I was JUST about to post: ASK HIS MAMA what she thinks! ;-) Cee - Original Message - From: ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? Problem is - I am not a medical doctor. I would be very conservative. If it means we lose games - but Tebow recovers more fully - I have no problem with that. Tebow is too special of a person to rush back into football and risk problems later on. What I would do is to get at least two or three expert doctors opinions. And probably go with the most conservative opinion. Have his family involved in the decision. I guess my point is - take the decision away from Tim himself. I am afraid Tim would rush things. If you consult 3 doctors that are experts on sports concussions and they all three agree that Tim can play at LSU - and Tim wants to - then I'd let him play. But if one doctor out of the three suggests holding him out - I would probably hold him out. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? From: Steve McKibben Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 2:26 pm To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com So what do you suggest? Not trying to give you a hard time, but how do you think it should be handled? If you don't believe him when he says he's OK and he always says that, do you just retire his jersey right now? Do you make him answer all questions with his hand on a bible? Do you ask the medical staff what their opinion is? Or is there some other way that hasn't occurred to me yet? --- On Tue, 9/29/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: We know that tebow keeps telling Meyer he is okay and we find out there were major injuries later. How do you know if Tebow is being 100% truthful with doctors and not just telling them what they want to hear? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Agreed, agreed and agreed. Cee - Original Message - From: Steve McKibben To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? I hope the medical staff at UF has more involved tests than "how are you feeling Timmy?" I think that if the doctors clear him to play, he will. And I don't think anyone outside of the program will know whether or not he's playing until right before kickoff. --- On Tue, 9/29/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com wro Knowing that Tebow is not going to tell coach Meyer (and perhaps others) that he is hurt Knowing how serious concussions can be and the only "cure" is to rest Do you hold Tebow out of the LSU game to make sure his brain recovers or leave it up to what Tebow is telling doctors? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
>Problem is - I am not a medical doctor. You didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? Then why am I talking to you? :) >I would be very conservative. If it means we lose games - but Tebow recovers >>more fully - I have no problem with that. Tebow is too special of a person >to >rush back into football and risk problems later on. I agree. But...football is a violent game. Injuries are a part of it,and they happen a lot. The world is full of Monday morning quarterbacks with 20/20 hindsight. If Tim suffers any head injuries going forward, we'll hear that we weren't careful enough with this one. On the other hand, Scot Brantley lost his senior season at UF because a doctor told him that he could never play again after suffering a concussion, yet he went on to play in the NFL for ten years or so, with no apparent related health problems. >What I would do is to get at least two or three expert doctors opinions. And >>probably go with the most conservative opinion. That may be what Scot did. >Have his family involved in the decision. Hell yes - in my opinion it *IS* their decision. >I guess my point is - take the decision away from Tim himself. I am afraid >Tim >would rush things. He's a man. He should be given as many facts as possible, including a long look at the most cautious diagnosis. I don't think he'd be a happy camper if he found out months or years later that he could have finished his college playing career, but had it cut short the way SB did. >If you consult 3 doctors that are experts on sports concussions and they all >three >agree that Tim can play at LSU - and Tim wants to - then I'd let him >play. But if >one doctor out of the three suggests holding him out - I would >probably hold him >out. As long as the dissenting doc doesn't have a degree from LSU... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Problem is - I am not a medical doctor. I would be very conservative. If it means we lose games - but Tebow recovers more fully - I have no problem with that. Tebow is too special of a person to rush back into football and risk problems later on. What I would do is to get at least two or three expert doctors opinions. And probably go with the most conservative opinion. Have his family involved in the decision. I guess my point is - take the decision away from Tim himself. I am afraid Tim would rush things. If you consult 3 doctors that are experts on sports concussions and they all three agree that Tim can play at LSU - and Tim wants to - then I'd let him play. But if one doctor out of the three suggests holding him out - I would probably hold him out. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?From: Steve McKibben Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 2:26 pmTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com So what do you suggest?Not trying to give you a hard time, but how do you think it should be handled?If you don't believe him when he says he's OK and he always says that, do you just retire his jersey right now?Do you make him answer all questions with his hand on a bible?Do you ask the medical staff what their opinion is?Or is there some other way that hasn't occurred to me yet?--- On Tue, 9/29/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: We know that tebow keeps telling Meyer he is okay and we find out there were major injuries later. How do you know if Tebow is being 100% truthful with doctors and not just telling them what they want to hear? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
On Sep 29, 2009, at 1:42 PM, wrote: > Do you hold Tebow out of the LSU game to make sure his brain > recovers or leave it up to what Tebow is telling doctors? I hold him out. As Jay has said, hard hits will always happen in the game of football. A question not asked Dr. Cantu was how much more likely it is to have another concussion after having had a severe concussion. Another not asked was whether the severity of a concussion is increased by virtue of having had one two weeks earlier. My understanding is that the likelihood of another concussion is about the same, but the risk that a second concussion would be much more severe (career-ending/death) is elevated. If this were an average high school player, he'd be held out about a month. I can't let the fact that he is Tim Tebow override that, given the consequences of guessing wrong. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Which means that LSU has to play Georgia and then prepare for a Tebow offense and a Brantley offense BINGO! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
So what do you suggest? Not trying to give you a hard time, but how do you think it should be handled? If you don't believe him when he says he's OK and he always says that, do you just retire his jersey right now? Do you make him answer all questions with his hand on a bible? Do you ask the medical staff what their opinion is? Or is there some other way that hasn't occurred to me yet? --- On Tue, 9/29/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: We know that tebow keeps telling Meyer he is okay and we find out there were major injuries later. How do you know if Tebow is being 100% truthful with doctors and not just telling them what they want to hear? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Kids that age - don't think about the future. They think they are indestructible. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?From: ken...@earthlink.netDate: Tue, September 29, 2009 2:04 pmTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comGood question.Tebow will always choose to play, and I think he feels he has a score to settle in Baton Rouge.I think you simply tell Tim that he has to be totally truthful with the doctors, that he knows there is much more to life than one football game, and that his health is much more important.Then trust him.Go GatorsKen B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:42:59 -0700To: gatortalk googlegroupsSubject: [gatortalk] Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? Knowing that Tebow is not going to tell coach Meyer (and perhaps others) that he is hurt Knowing how serious concussions can be and the only "cure" is to rest Do you hold Tebow out of the LSU game to make sure his brain recovers or leave it up to what Tebow is telling doctors? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
<< I don't think anyone outside of the program will know whether or not he's playing until right before kickoff.>> Which means that LSU has to play Georgia and then prepare for a Tebow offense and a Brantley offense Original Message ----Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?From: Steve McKibben Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 2:02 pmTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com I hope the medical staff at UF has more involved tests than "how are you feeling Timmy?"I think that if the doctors clear him to play, he will.And I don't think anyone outside of the program will know whether or not he's playing until right before kickoff.--- On Tue, 9/29/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com wro Knowing that Tebow is not going to tell coach Meyer (and perhaps others) that he is hurt Knowing how serious concussions can be and the only "cure" is to rest Do you hold Tebow out of the LSU game to make sure his brain recovers or leave it up to what Tebow is telling doctors? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
We know that tebow keeps telling Meyer he is okay and we find out there were major injuries later. How do you know if Tebow is being 100% truthful with doctors and not just telling them what they want to hear? Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?From: Shane Ford Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 2:00 pmTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com While no one wants to see any one get hurt or suffer any more serious injury... If I were the HBC, I would leave it in the doctors hands. I have to believe, and I think Coach Meyer has said as such, that we want him to play; as long as he's not causing any permanent damage, of course. Am I wrong to view it this way? SHANE GO GATORS! From: "ke...@baldwinnc.com" To: gatortalk googlegroups Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:42:59 PMSubject: [gatortalk] Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? Knowing that Tebow is not going to tell coach Meyer (and perhaps others) that he is hurt Knowing how serious concussions can be and the only "cure" is to rest Do you hold Tebow out of the LSU game to make sure his brain recovers or leave it up to what Tebow is telling doctors? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
Good question. Tebow will always choose to play, and I think he feels he has a score to settle in Baton Rouge. I think you simply tell Tim that he has to be totally truthful with the doctors, that he knows there is much more to life than one football game, and that his health is much more important. Then trust him. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:42:59 To: gatortalk googlegroups Subject: [gatortalk] Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? Knowing that Tebow is not going to tell coach Meyer (and perhaps others) that he is hurt Knowing how serious concussions can be and the only "cure" is to rest Do you hold Tebow out of the LSU game to make sure his brain recovers or leave it up to what Tebow is telling doctors? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
I hope the medical staff at UF has more involved tests than "how are you feeling Timmy?" I think that if the doctors clear him to play, he will. And I don't think anyone outside of the program will know whether or not he's playing until right before kickoff. --- On Tue, 9/29/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com wro Knowing that Tebow is not going to tell coach Meyer (and perhaps others) that he is hurt Knowing how serious concussions can be and the only "cure" is to rest Do you hold Tebow out of the LSU game to make sure his brain recovers or leave it up to what Tebow is telling doctors? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest?
While no one wants to see any one get hurt or suffer any more serious injury... If I were the HBC, I would leave it in the doctors hands. I have to believe, and I think Coach Meyer has said as such, that we want him to play; as long as he's not causing any permanent damage, of course. Am I wrong to view it this way? SHANE GO GATORS! From: "ke...@baldwinnc.com" To: gatortalk googlegroups Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:42:59 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Would you play Tebow at LSU or make him rest? Knowing that Tebow is not going to tell coach Meyer (and perhaps others) that he is hurt Knowing how serious concussions can be and the only "cure" is to rest Do you hold Tebow out of the LSU game to make sure his brain recovers or leave it up to what Tebow is telling doctors? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
